The Atari Panther:The Game Claims/UK Press Coverage etc.

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  1. Lost Dragon

    Lost Dragon Peppy Member

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    Regarding Panther development kits..which it's believed there are at least 7 of..

    Do turn up now and then..Guildo thinks his is still in storage...

    Jim Gregory was going to search through his clutter to see if he still had his..

    Over at Atari I.O forum Lance talks of the having obtained 1 years ago,along with all the paperwork:

    ' i have one, along with the paper work. when i got it out of atari, they told me it was going to be a 16 bit machine to compete with sega and nintindo. i have had mine since before the launch of the jaguar. it looks kinda like a vcr, in a all metal black case.'

    lance
    www.atarisales.com

    Clint Thompson is trying to get the paperwork from him..so it can be archived.

    And the unit Lance has didn't come with any game demo code:

    ' i have no software that i am aware of. harry dodgson and his wife came to visit me at christmas time after i told him about it. we booted it, nothing, it may have had a hard drive in it, i cannot remember, there is firmware on the motherboard though. we never got that far with it once it looked like no software was on the drive. that may have been about 25 years ago.

    i have dev. paperwork. just getting it all scanned is a problem right now.'

    lance
    www.atarisales.com

    So the Ex-Pysgnosis kit may sadly yield similar results.

    Peter and Andrew haven't said how far along Panther SOTB reached, but it would be nice to find it was far enough along so we could compare the Panther version to the Amiga and PC Engine etc versions.

    A JSIII poster has said:

    'we are working on it at JS3. We have now also recovered a developmental manual for it, schematics and some source code.

    We are all working together to see what we can do with it and have an ex-ATD guy involved too.'

    Think he means development manual..

    The source code sounds vague at this point..it could just be the firmware Lance mentions..
     
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  2. KGRAMR

    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    TGX/MNX and various people at Jaguar Sector III have toyed with the possible idea of making a FPGA system combining the Panther, Jaguar & the Jaguar II, which would be a pretty sick idea! TGX/MNX and John Hardie will be documenting everything they have related to the Panther (paperwork & stuff of that nature). Leonard Tramiel will also dig up what he may have of the system, which many have now figured out that it was going to me a bit more powerful than the SNES, Mega Drive & PC Engine but maybe below of the Neo Geo MVS/AES. If would be cool if Guido Henkel can find his dev. kit and out of nowhere his Egyptian RPG The Crypt popped out of it. Never say never to anything. Oh and that JSIII poster you mentioned is Kieren Hawken, one of the writers (not ex-writer as you implied many times on Atari.io) of Retro Gamer magazine and one of the admins. of JSIII alongside Shawn Lavery (graphic artist of Black Out!). Why didn't you mentioned his name :-/ ?
     
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  3. Lost Dragon

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    This reply, along with 1 other,will be the exceptions to the rule so don't get carried away by them.


    Kieran ,as your very well aware was taken off Retrogamer magazine after the magazine editor made the claim he had been caught creating a fake user account on the magazines forum in order to generate more work for himself.

    I have no idea the validity of the claims, but apparently there was a lot of drama about it on FB at the time..

    So, when i said he was an ex-writer..he very much was at that time.

    He's since been taken on again and is a current writer for them...so clearly the matter was resolved.

    Nothing was implied by myself as you well know, when claims were posted on Atari I.O.

    It's a bit like what happened with the claims JSIII made from Leonard regarding the Panther..at the time, your site was all over him, when he said there wasn't any Panther development, games wise outside of Atari Corp..and i had been told Andrew Bond and Peter Johnson had worked on SOTB for Psygnosis..


    Now JSIII have the very development machine Psygnosis had for Andrew, Leonard's comments don't seem as important as they once did.

    Like Kieran told Leonard..you can only go on the information you have at the time.

    Now, what many of us are wondering,is where is Kieran's source for the information he passed onto Larry Bundy, about Fight For Life coder deliberately giving Atari older,worse version for release as he hadn't been paid..?

    As every interview shows he was paid,just later than expected.

    Also..we wonder why you were reluctant to name Shaun MCclure as your Imagitec Design source for Freelancer 2120 claims..

    Would it be because he admitted his memory was bad, couldn't tell if screens were PC or PS1..wasn't even sure if his work even made it into the game as he left company early on etc..?

    Also, we've looked at the RG article covering Imagitec Design and at interview with Martin. Hooley..no mention of any improved version of I War Engine..let alone Freelancer on Jaguar using it.

    Thought i would spare the sites blushes by not naming who made claims..as unless they are backed up by credible source material..people will have doubts.
     
  4. KGRAMR

    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    He's not a ex-writer for RG magazine, 'cause if he was kicked off the magazine, why he's still in on the RG forums and why he's still writing articles for the mag? It seems that you still are against him after all these years now that i think about it. I just gave what i know right now about TXG/MNX's finding and also gave my opinion about what has been going on but anyway, if you're still going to deny the truth about Ki well then i'll leave you alone in your little game against him (all because he has asperger...what's wrong with you man, with stalking and spreading lies of a guy with that condition?) I know that you're part of a recently formed forum called Retrocanteen i found out by myself so there's that (since Laird is there as well) :-/
     
  5. KGRAMR

    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    I plan to put pics here of the recently discovered Panther dev. unit that has a sticker from Psygnosis, in fact, it's the very same one from Peter Johnson so look foward to them soon! It can't post them right now since my IPad doesn't allow me to upload pics here :(
     
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    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    Here's pics of Peter Johnson's Panther dev. kit unit, which was bought by my friend and Atari collector CJ de Bie :)
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  7. Lost Dragon

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    Just want to refer back to post i made in opening statement of this thread before Assembler is used yet again for people's social experiments..

    Peter Johnson CONFIRMED to myself the claims in The One about Panther Shadow Of The Beast were correct.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    Just as i had sources confirm the Pitfighter claims were incorrect.

    This is how research works..you take a claim, you look into it and share findings.

    The post as it appeared:


    Peter Johnson who confirmed he/Andrew Bond WERE converting Shadow Of The Beast to Panther.

    I have never claimed credit for discovering it, having owned the copy of The One Magazine myself, for years.
     
  8. Lost Dragon

    Lost Dragon Peppy Member

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    Oh and K..

    You posting up C.J Bies findings to contradict me as you put it ON JSIII..

    That ship sailed a long,long time ago.

    Panther research i carried out was done months ago for an aborted GTW project.

    Magazine claims, no matter the publication, we're looked into.

    Findings shared.

    Sources named.

    Your now simply chasing shadows.

    I've no ego to inflate either, i'm not the 1 with a YT Channel, online C.V etc proclaiming myself to be a big deal in the Atari community..

    I just assisted sites in my free time.

    But do have fun on JSIII guys..
     
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    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    Hey i just want to provide some stuff about this subject, i'm not about inflating my ego :mad:
     
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    @Roberth Anthony Martinez Rivero:

    If you want to share JSIII Panther findings..create a thread directly for your findings.

    I know exactly what's been said on JSIII to the exact timestamp.

    Your fooling no one.

    And i am really sorry, but Jason Johnson is barking out of the wrong tree, i 've no idea who he is, never spoken to him, let alone sent death threats to him.

    I know you want to be seen as someone online..cue you being on Unseen64, here, YT, Planet Virtualboy, Retrocollect, Dreamcast-talk etc etc.

    Yes we can all put a user name into goggle.

    I know your trying to get JSIII staff to get the zipfiles off Scott.

    I know the social media experiments your conducting.

    And this is why I'm asking the MODS here to close my account.

    It's not being used to bring genuine information to those interested in Atari, but to further fuel your crusade as you put it, agains't myself and others.

    Anyone who posts a comment about being happy for a MOD to die in a fire, isn't of the mental stability to engage in serious discussion.

    I've seen enough of your demands on here and Unseen64 and your rants on JSIII, fueled by Kieran..who I've advised time and time again to get professional help for his Aspergers, to end this here and now.

    We've been 3 steps ahead of you since day 1.

    Play the innocent all you like..we are done.
     
  11. KGRAMR

    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    Man, i just said my opinion, that's all. There's no need to throw a rant. I'll leave you alone then 'cause it seems i can't apport anything to your thread without the need of you slamming the group and Kieren's condition. It seems that you really have a obsession not only with him but also with me, by thowing rants on various threads on Atariage about my opinions and by searching me on which groups i'm active (i left PVB and DC-Talk in order to focus and help those who are into the Jaguar. I also commented on Unseen64 to see if anbody has ROMs of the unreleased SNES games there, since i'm finishing the 100 games i have on my collection as i've been on a SNES kick recently. Last but not least i haven't even commentated on RC due to my focus on helping those searching for answers about the Jag). Also, you know way too much what's happening on the group and i don't have any agenda against you, and you bringed Jason Johnson to the table, not me so there's that :-I One final note, if i'm triying to contact Scott Stilphen about the .zip files he got from those Atari Corp. computers is because everybody deserves to see them and not just you. So, who's the elitist then? 'Cause it's not me, i know there's stuff that can't be shared for various reasons i've found out but the Atari stuff deserves to be seen by pretty much everybody and not by one person only :-/ And yes i stand by that opinion, the Mods of ASSEMblergames are MUCH better & friendlier than Sauron (who has done shady things behind the forums) at AA ;)
     
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  12. KGRAMR

    KGRAMR Atari Jaguar & Nintendo 64 (64-Bits) Aficionado

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    I'll put this here...thanks for CJ de Bie & Leonard Tramiel for posting this baby :D
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