Regarding Panther development kits..which it's believed there are at least 7 of.. Do turn up now and then..Guildo thinks his is still in storage... Jim Gregory was going to search through his clutter to see if he still had his.. Over at Atari I.O forum Lance talks of the having obtained 1 years ago,along with all the paperwork: ' i have one, along with the paper work. when i got it out of atari, they told me it was going to be a 16 bit machine to compete with sega and nintindo. i have had mine since before the launch of the jaguar. it looks kinda like a vcr, in a all metal black case.' lance www.atarisales.com Clint Thompson is trying to get the paperwork from him..so it can be archived. And the unit Lance has didn't come with any game demo code: ' i have no software that i am aware of. harry dodgson and his wife came to visit me at christmas time after i told him about it. we booted it, nothing, it may have had a hard drive in it, i cannot remember, there is firmware on the motherboard though. we never got that far with it once it looked like no software was on the drive. that may have been about 25 years ago. i have dev. paperwork. just getting it all scanned is a problem right now.' lance www.atarisales.com So the Ex-Pysgnosis kit may sadly yield similar results. Peter and Andrew haven't said how far along Panther SOTB reached, but it would be nice to find it was far enough along so we could compare the Panther version to the Amiga and PC Engine etc versions. A JSIII poster has said: 'we are working on it at JS3. We have now also recovered a developmental manual for it, schematics and some source code. We are all working together to see what we can do with it and have an ex-ATD guy involved too.' Think he means development manual.. The source code sounds vague at this point..it could just be the firmware Lance mentions..