CPS1 Final Fight weirdness (hack?) - check it out. - The ASSEMblergames.com

devilredeemed · 08-04-2006

edit: you can now see the images properly in post no.3
ok maties.. ok..
I'm going to copy/paste this info as I started a thread in another forum about this but I thought it prudent to provide this little morsal to you resident fellows. it's a strange one.

'I'm not sure if the dude will ship to me all the way here (he's in Mexico) but I 'bought it nontheless' - couldn't pass it up since Final Fight is my favourite game of all time.
what is it?:
http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_6270.jpg&v=O

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_4196.jpg&v=O

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_2184.jpg&v=O

looks like a hack - the board is CPS1 but not the same as the Final Fight board. I know there's a bootleg called Final Crash (lol) which is identical except that it's called Final Crash (was being sold here).
so should be cool!
touch wood he agrees to send this my way otherwise I'll have to find a mexican comrade to help me out.'

that above was my intial post, and after various replies I posted this which is sort of a conclusion as I can't gether much more info than I already have until I have the pcb with me:

'my guess is that this is a SFII Hyper Fighting Board (or maybe Champion Edition) and on the C board - the black square lid that usually sits there has been removed to reveal the battery that I'm guessing is there usually.

something that caught my eye 8though it's blurry) is that along the bottom it appears to say something like 4M (Xsomething illegible hereX) EP-ROM TYPE
whereas from what I've seen the SFII boards specify mask rom instead of eprom.
whatever. we'll find out soon enough (touch wood).'

maybe some of you will find all of this trivial - I'm going with this being a hack and not something 'more special'. but I'm a big fan of the game, so I hope like minded people can enjoy this as much as me. how many other hacks are known of this particular game other than Final Crash which is identical to Final Fight apart from the title screen?

ccovell · 08-04-2006

You pasted a truncated URL for the mercadolibre links.

devilredeemed · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by ccovell

You pasted a truncated URL for the mercadolibre links.

I did? thanks for letting me know. let me try and sort it out.

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_6270.jpg&v=O

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_4196.jpg&v=O

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/...2_2184.jpg&v=O

voila?

devilredeemed · 08-05-2006

alright, a little update - acording to the seller this Final Fight appears to be a hack, probably made in Mexico and probably using other CPS1 boards to make it. he bought it some 8 or 9 years ago. I think what he wrote is speculation on his part but wholy feasible as I don't think it would be rare to find a hack of a game in a place like Mexico (if it's anything like Argentina).

so apparently the SUPER written on top reffers to super moves of which you have 3 (I presume these are the moves you pull off generally pressing 2 buttons together).
next the layout of the levels is different - the first stage is the subway level and the first stage in the normal game - is now around the 3rd.
what caught my attention (and I want to make sure this is no missinterpretation on my part) is that apparently you are not limited to choosing just one of the usual three - now you can choose almost anyone of the badguys too!! gottamake sure this is what he ment but he definetly said you could pick a few more characters than just Cody, Guy and Haggar.

crap I want to play this now. sounds like a hoot.

update no.2:
here's some lolmaterial:

that's just ridiculous :D . apparently the SUPER is that fire bomb you see in the last screen - characters can still pull off the normal specials pressing 2 buttons together.

lastly the board reads 4M JEDEC EP-ROM TYPE along the side. whatever that implies.

XerdoPwerko · 08-05-2006

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Originally Posted by devilredeemed

alright, a little update - acording to the seller this Final Fight appears to be a hack, probably made in Mexico and probably using other CPS1 boards to make it. he bought it some 8 or 9 years ago. I think what he wrote is speculation on his part but wholy feasible as I don't think it would be rare to find a hack of a game in a place like Mexico (if it's anything like Argentina).

Yes, there are lots of mexican hacks and "special" versions, but most concerned Street Fighter. It really is weird to see a Final Fight hack.

And yes, in Mexico the hard thing is to find something that ISN'T a bootleg. There's, for example, hacks of Pump It Up and other gamess, by mexican groups who resell.

Taucias · 08-05-2006

This should really get dumped for the MAME group. It sounds absolutely awesome!

Assuming it's not a fake.

neomatrix · 08-05-2006

ooohhh I wanted

JLukas · 08-07-2006

Nice find, keep us updated!

d4s · 08-08-2006

thats a normal, original cps1 rom board, second generation with suicide battery(although im pretty sure the protection has already been cracked on this board, it involves a cut pin and rewiriting accesses to some of the b-board graphic-processors registers.). the jedec-eprom writing just refers to the type of eproms used for program and sound roms. earlier cps1 pcbs used 27c301 chips and this board uses 27c1001 iirc. you are right, original boards usually have the graphics stored on maskroms, not eproms like on this pcb(the gfx ones are the 4 big ones in the upper left. authentic capcom pcbs also have a proprietary sticker on each eprom. iirc, the pinout for mask and eproms used for the graphics is the same.

devilredeemed · 08-08-2006

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Originally Posted by d4s

thats a normal, original cps1 rom board, second generation with suicide battery(although im pretty sure the protection has already been cracked on this board, it involves a cut pin and rewiriting accesses to some of the b-board graphic-processors registers.). the jedec-eprom writing just refers to the type of eproms used for program and sound roms. earlier cps1 pcbs used 27c301 chips and this board uses 27c1001 iirc. you are right, original boards usually have the graphics stored on maskroms, not eproms like on this pcb(the gfx ones are the 4 big ones in the upper left. authentic capcom pcbs also have a proprietary sticker on each eprom. iirc, the pinout for mask and eproms used for the graphics is the same.

ah cool. I figured it was using generic eproms because of what you say about the propriety stickers which are not present - and also after getting the info about how the game plays/seeing the added screens. from the begining the likelyhood of it being Capcom made was improbable, but after the next batch of images came through there was no doubt this was a hack. never in my life heard about it though. and I'm mad about Final Fight.

d4s · 08-08-2006

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Originally Posted by devilredeemed

ah cool. I figured it was using generic eproms because of what you say about the propriety stickers which are not present - and also after getting the info about how the game plays/seeing the added screens. from the begining the likelyhood of it being Capcom made was improbable, but after the next batch of images came through there was no doubt this was a hack. never in my life heard about it though. and I'm mad about Final Fight.

i'm curious, too. =)
if you need some help dumping the roms so they can be added to mame, i'd be glad to help.
unless you dont want that to happen and want to keep it for yourself, of course. ;)

devilredeemed · 10-03-2006

got it in the mail last week! finally.. though
I can't play it on account of having sold my cab a couple of weeks ago! and since I'm strapped for cash I'll have to sit on my hands until I get enough dough to purchase another.
what I would like to do is get this thing filmed once I have it working so I may ask for help from a friend who has a digital camera, since I also sold that some weeks ago. else I could record it on video but what would be the use in doing that, unless someone could then put it online.

not going to have it dumped for the forseeable future though I don't think.

Yakumo · 10-03-2006

If the video would be NTSC then I could rip it for online. I could upload it to archive.org under my Retro Core account.

Yakumo

neomatrix · 10-03-2006

please dumping the roms

karsten · 10-03-2006

nice find! i hope to see more pics

devilredeemed · 10-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Yakumo

If the video would be NTSC then I could rip it for online. I could upload it to archive.org under my Retro Core account.

Yakumo

that would be awesome! problem is I don't know if I can get it on NTSC - maybe. I have to pick up the SVid camera and check it out. as they say though - where there's a will there's a way.

Yakumo · 10-03-2006

If the tapes you use are mini digital tapes I can play them back in my digital video camera straight to the PC or are digital video cameras doomed by the dreaded PAL / NTSC problem when recording just like normal tapes?

Yakumo

karsten · 10-03-2006

this games make me rember of a old street fighter hack we had in italy,,, i think it was called hyper stret fighter or something similar, in wich all chars were crazily tuned i.e. ryu would shot aa double row of 3 fireballs and ken's shouryuken would fire fireball from the bottom to the upmost of the screen... anyone knows more about this? my memories of this are so back in time! maybe it was even dumped :P

devilredeemed · 10-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Yakumo

If the tapes you use are mini digital tapes I can play them back in my digital video camera straight to the PC or are digital video cameras doomed by the dreaded PAL / NTSC problem when recording just like normal tapes?

Yakumo

tape - as in normal size video tapes. I have a camera put away from when I started film school and rashly bought the camera we where using at school.
I'll check tonight what format it works in (I actually think it may be NTSC) and let you know.

@karsten -yeah SF2 hacks where all the rage back in the day - rainbow edition I think is one of the most infamous. I remember whilst in Cyprus playing a hack where by the press of a button you could swap characters instantly during a fight. precursor to KOF? lol.

karsten · 10-03-2006

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Originally Posted by devilredeemed

tape - as in normal size video tapes. I have a camera put away from when I started film school and rashly bought the camera we where using at school.
I'll check tonight what format it works in (I actually think it may be NTSC) and let you know.

@karsten -yeah SF2 hacks where all the rage back in the day - rainbow edition I think is one of the most infamous. I remember whilst in Cyprus playing a hack where by the press of a button you could swap characters instantly during a fight. precursor to KOF? lol.

eheheh KOF rules i always tell so to my friends... but now KOF abandoned me traveling to the 3d world :(