PS3 pretty much equal to Xbox 360?!

[Sonikku]

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200602/065_p1.asp

These guys claim a developer snuck them inside for some info.
Highlights include:

"The stylish PlayStation 3 casing design that SCEI boss Ken Kutaragi revealed last year is, and always has been, empty - and no signs of a final, tangible casing solution appear to be in sight. "I think to fit everything that Sony wants in there AND leave space for a 2.5 inch hard drive," explains one senior developer working on a final kit, who will be our guide for much of this report, "the machine would have to grow. The models they're showing off are way too small for what they want."

" So we have a USB controller plugged into a machine and we're playing a game off a hard disc with not a trace of BluRay technology evident in the building. "PS3 isn't going to have writing capabilities and for us that's of no concern right now. Our stuff runs off a Hard Disc at the moment and won't exceed DVD capabilities; we're programming the game as if it will be written for a 10-speed DVD drive. Anything less would affect load time."

"The hands-on evidence is beginning to mount up. We're talking about a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It's certainly obvious
this machine is not "twice" as powerful as 360, let alone a generational leap ahead."

"Sony wanted 1080p, but we're working at 720p and 1080i, same as on the Xbox 360. Even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible. Instead many developers, ourselves included, are reworking so they run at 720p."

Launch:

"We think that in Japan it will most likely release during Summer, Q4 in the US, and Europe in Winter or Spring 2007 - these are our internal projections." And right now, it seems most observers would agree."

[Warakia]

(That bloody website has been going at a damn crawl since last night!)

Correct me if I am hugely wrong but don't the final PS3 devkits have blue ray drives? I heard that they had the drives and also were not in tower like structures, hohum just a thought.

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure that most of what was "revealed" in that chat was what we had logically assumed thus far. Shame the person is not willing to give any sources (whatsoever) for what they have to say.

Oh well, consider this the start of the tidal wave of "I have touched a ps3" "news" stories.

Also, taking into account that the developers this guy may have chatted to were probably not the big guns - it is kinda unlikely to be representative of the top launch quality coming out on the PS3. I'm not hugely surprised - sony looks like they have popped out another difficult to get to grips system, with little support.

To be fair to sony, even if it is graphically equal to the 360, sony still have the other ps3 features, blue ray, tivo, 3rd party support, etc, to flash about.

As far as I can see - the only way sony can cock up the ps3 now is if they do something stupid with the price tag or controller. Both of these things they have done kinda well with in the past. After all I remember people saying that the ps2 was going to cost a fortune because of the dvd drive!

[Paulo]

PS3 hasnt got tivo...

[Warakia]

Sorry, I used Tivo as an all purpose term for being able to record TV. I should have used DVR. My apologies.

(For the record, I believe this may be only rumoured at the moment - though a lot of sources are reporting it at the moment.)

[Cheese007]

in japan summer of this year or next
the 07 kinda threw me off
and also from the looks of it nintendo might be having the only good launch

[Borman]

I havent seen any report a Tivo-like feature. Itd be hard considering they arent even sure that the harddrive will be stock. Look how well the PSX hybrid did.

[Paulo]

Sorry, I used Tivo as an all purpose term for being able to record TV. I should have used DVR. My apologies.

(For the record, I believe this may be only rumoured at the moment - though a lot of sources are reporting it at the moment.)

For it to be able to record tv it would have to have some kind of tv tuner or a port to input a tv signal. I guess the HDMI port might be able to do this but i doubt they will be doing that.

[Taucias]

Edge Magazine (www.edge-online.co.uk) have had a few interviews with different industry people. ATI slagged the "Reality Synth" off (big surprise there), SN Systems had nothing but praise for the PS3 in general (ditto, though this was before they were bought out) and general opinion throughout the rest of the community is mixed but hovers around the two machines being very similarly matched with the PS3 perhaps having a slight advantage over the XBox360, which you'd expect with it being released later on.

Apparently we won't see games that make use of the multi-core technology properly for around 2 years anyway, so it's apples and oranges :lol:

Without any sources or evidence, I could probably have written a better article than these guys. Are they usually a good reliable website in terms of news and previews?

[Phinn]

TBH, until the thing is in the shops, I'm taking everything said about the PS3, both Sony hype and 'net 'PS3 suxxors' claims with a pinch of salt.

For the moment, I remain optimistic. Sony has the most important thing, developer support, despite the PS3 still being vapourware and Sony have pulled it out of the bag twice before; no reason why they shouldn't do it a third time.

As for PS3 DVR rumours, see here: http://ps3.qj.net:/More-PS3-Details-.../pg/49/aid/911

[Fabrizo]

Everything i've heard thus far about the PS3 basicly ammounts to the same thing: XBox360 and it are almost completly equal. They each have their ups and downs, but neither is really 'better' then the other.

I honestly believe that this new generation of systems will be the end of their dominance. Revolution is still too shrouded in mystery to say one way or another how well it'll probably end up doing in the market, but the various generation patterns support its 'victory'. For example:

The rules to winning a console generation:
1. The least powerful console, processor wise, always wins.
2. No company can win more then two generations in a row.
3. If a newcommer to the console market doesn't win its first time, it can only come close its second.
4. No console that has built-in storage for things like saves wins.
5. No console thats controller lacks a select button wins.

Sony would need to break several of those long-standing rules in order to succeed this comming generation, and I just don't see it happeneing.

[Warakia]

Yeah, I'm doubting a full "tivo" esque set up (should have looked up that DVR word before I used that word...!).

But DVR could simply refer to downloadable content, recorded in a DVR fashion and then conversion/distribution to PSP etc. I would hope to see this angle explored more.

They (sony) keep banging on about streaming multiple HD channels on the PS3, so you have game, Blue ray and then internet. (And potential some other means) The confusing thing is that they showed the ps3 steaming 16 HD channels at once (check out the e3 presentation at kikizo) , most of those pictures looked like TV or movie. So it would be logical to assume that some of those channels would be coming off TV. Either that or a killer internet connection!

The odd thing is, that a lot of people are saying that it will have tv recording abilites, dubitable, but you never know. It would be a good move to release an add on to enable this function if the hard drive is large enough.

(for the record the psx did quite well, it sold out on release, with more support from sony it could have done quite well.)

For the record (2) all the DVR rumours started from PSM reporting "a developer".

[Taucias]

Yeah, and TBH, if it has the same licenses as the PS2 it doesn't really matter to me if the hardware is exactly the same in terms of power as the XBox360. As long as the games look better and the gameplay is there then I will be happy. I'd much prefer to see games that make use of the hardware and weren't possible before, but I'm not holding my breath for that one. They will come in time, if the machine is successful.

I'm not buying either the XBox360 or a PS3 until I can see both running and can directly compare them. Don't believe the hype for any of the consoles, it's all corporate BS.

Having said that, it's all very exciting though, eh? Thank goodness Sony has some decent competition, that's all I can say. It makes everyone work harder.

Edit: Also, why is everyone so bothered about TV recording? I'd much rather have the hard drive used for gaming and music storage. DVD+HD recorders are dropping in price to the point where it's not really an object. I guess it would attract joe public though...

[sayin999]

Everything i've heard thus far about the PS3 basicly ammounts to the same thing: XBox360 and it are almost completly equal. They each have their ups and downs, but neither is really 'better' then the other.

I honestly believe that this new generation of systems will be the end of their dominance. Revolution is still too shrouded in mystery to say one way or another how well it'll probably end up doing in the market, but the various generation patterns support its 'victory'. For example:

The rules to winning a console generation:
1. The least powerful console, processor wise, always wins.
2. No company can win more then two generations in a row.
3. If a newcommer to the console market doesn't win its first time, it can only come close its second.
4. No console that has built-in storage for things like saves wins.
5. No console thats controller lacks a select button wins.

Sony would need to break several of those long-standing rules in order to succeed this comming generation, and I just don't see it happeneing.

its so damn true, wait does this mean revo will win????? I think your on to something Fabrizo!!!!!!!

[joehax]

The rules to winning a console generation:
1. The least powerful console, processor wise, always wins.
2. No company can win more then two generations in a row.
3. If a newcommer to the console market doesn't win its first time, it can only come close its second.
4. No console that has built-in storage for things like saves wins.
5. No console thats controller lacks a select button wins.

Well Sony were the first ones to break the "Black Console Curse" with the PS2 (name one successful console up until that point? NES> SMS, SNES > MD, PS1> N64 + Saturn etc).

The N64, and DC both failed, so that nullifes point 4.

While those are clever observations, I really doubt they will dictate the success of the PS3 :P

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

Sorry, I used Tivo as an all purpose term for being able to record TV. I should have used DVR. My apologies.

(For the record, I believe this may be only rumoured at the moment - though a lot of sources are reporting it at the moment.)

I read something to that effect in a PSM today. I think it was either from a developer or some Sony exec, so I wouldn't call it a rumor.

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

The rules to winning a console generation:
1. The least powerful console, processor wise, always wins.
2. No company can win more then two generations in a row.
3. If a newcommer to the console market doesn't win its first time, it can only come close its second.
4. No console that has built-in storage for things like saves wins.
5. No console thats controller lacks a select button wins.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Mega Drive/Genesis weaker than the Super Famicom/SNES? And I think most people would agree that the SNES/SF won that war, so doesn't that nullify #1?

[Yakumo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Mega Drive/Genesis weaker than the Super Famicom/SNES? And I think most people would agree that the SNES/SF won that war, so doesn't that nullify #1?

Not in Europe ! Sega ruled over Nintendo there thanks to the big N always giving Europe the middle finger.

Yakumo

[Fabrizo]

Well Sony were the first ones to break the "Black Console Curse" with the PS2 (name one successful console up until that point? NES> SMS, SNES > MD, PS1> N64 + Saturn etc).

All consoles were black this gen, so that rule was void (Gamecube had no 'native' color, and DC didn't get the chance to fail or win as it was pulled as opposed to being allowed to compete).

The N64, and DC both failed, so that nullifes point 4.

Neither the N64 or DC had built in storage.

While those are clever observations, I really doubt they will dictate the success of the PS3 :P

I know, but its entertaining to post them and read peoples reaction :p

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Mega Drive/Genesis weaker than the Super Famicom/SNES? And I think most people would agree that the SNES/SF won that war, so doesn't that nullify #1?

SNES CPU: 3.58 Mhz
Genesis CPU: 7.61 MHz

The SNES won Japan and the states, but in Europe the Genesis/Megadrive won. So SNES got 2 out of 3 territories, hense Sega fell into the rule 3 "it can only come close its second" bracket.

[Taucias]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Mega Drive/Genesis weaker than the Super Famicom/SNES? And I think most people would agree that the SNES/SF won that war, so doesn't that nullify #1?

In Europe, the Mega Drive cleaned up.

None of these rules mean a thing :110:

[Paulo]

Correct me if I am wrong

Please do not double post.