Wishes and support to our friends in Denmark

[madhatter256]

What's going on now are issues that were bound to come up. Issues between Jews and Muslims, Christians, etc. As well as economic issues regarding world hunger, energy and living space. Old world issues are bound to be resolved either voilently or peacefully. War is still inevitable when it comes to this current issue. These governments and lifestyles/societies will not change by themselves.. They need either peaceful change or aggressive action.

[madhatter256]

This is what I don't get, and if this has been brought up, Im sorry I missed it...

I'm roman catholic, the pope, pictures of christ, and pretty much the whole religion is spat on in the media, from latenight shows, to sitcoms.
Last I checked outside, I dont see people running down the road with a cross in there hand, participating in acts of violence.
You can take a civil stand on issues which bother you and you dont like. But then again I have the feeling, if you don't like it, turn it off, dont read it, get your point across with out looking barbaric and foolish.
Ive seen the cartoon, and it is what it is, a cartoon. To have people to participat in the acts in which has been done is far worse.

New York artist Andres Serrano, whose notorious photograph called "Piss Christ" (a photo of a crucifix submerged in Serrano's urine)
Imagine in this art-provocation mode, he produced another photo called "Piss Talmud" which had a couple pages of the Talmud submerged in his artistically photographed urine.

Serrano would never have a show in New York again.

See the irony in this....

What Serrano did was not considered art. Before the public knew what that yellow stuff was, it was considered art. Once they found out, he was criticized by the art community, because even though it was a form of "free speech" (since he used that as an excuse in keeping up on display in NYC) it was not considered art and thus he's basically shunned from the mainstream as well as the deep roots art community.

Of course you don't see riots of fundamental christians parading the streets throwing molatov cocktails around because there aren't a lot of them and they all live in the backwoods of America and in other countries. And they are also considered terrorists and are under heavy surveilance by the government. A side note: the true motive behind the domestic wiretaps without a court order that was a hot topic a 2 weeks back was to keep tabs on such white extremist groups (domestic terrorists). But the mainstream media doesn't tell you this because its not newsworthy reporting things the government is doing that actually works. And these groups are even deadlier because they look and dress like the average joe compared to a muslim terrorist.

Anyway, I recorded a funny but very true clip from the Colbert Report on Comedy Central that talks about the cartoons, and humor, etc., which I think some people here should watch because it does have merit on what it says even though its on a "fake-news" show. I just gotta find a place where you all can download it.

[luke_skywalker]

Small percentage huh? Only one protest here.

"We will uphold the messenger of God not only by our voices but also by our blood," he told the crowds, estimated by organizers at about 700,000. Police had no final estimates but said the figure was likely to be even higher.

[*RichM*]

This is part of my point though - only a very small minority of Muslims are fanatics and the Islamic religion doesn't promote terrorism. It's just certain states in the middle east and groups that use religion as a tool to mask their anarchy and hatred for the west.

What Taucias said up there is exactly whats happening within the muslim world.
Many Muslims sects using partly chopped verses in their holy bible to justify their acts like killing, terror, beheading etc, when the actual verses in its completeness were talking about happenings during war, well it's im

Keep making excuses for their actions. They will love the support.Many of there most visual leaders openly preach hate, murder, kidnappings, beheadings and disrespect for everyone in the world we're so used to it it seems common place.

As for you luke_skywalker,
I suppose you are well fed by the western media who has always loved to label Islam as barbaric and very rarely tried to attempt to find the true islamic teachings on their media coverage.
the words "we're so used to" rings a loud sounding bell
Western media are very sucessfull at this, which also justifies the hatred towards west by the muslim world, then in turn makes the whites as enemies of Islam.

We should try to understand each others beliefs to the fullest and don't get easily provoked by any media reports or the false application of freedoom of speech.

[*RichM*]

Small percentage huh? Only one protest here.

"We will uphold the messenger of God not only by our voices but also by our blood," he told the crowds, estimated by organizers at about 700,000. Police had no final estimates but said the figure was likely to be even higher.

700,000 out of 1,200,000,000 (1,2 billion) muslims in planet earth.. don't it count as small percentage?
:confused:

Islam has 73 sects, 72 of them are not following the true teachings of Islam, only one 1 is.

All these times the media are busy filing reports on these 72 sects of Islam, some of them are more barbaric than others perhaps, still the 1 true Islam is succesfully disguised behind the reports.

[luke_skywalker]

700,000 out of 1,200,000,000 (1,2 billion) muslims in planet earth.. don't it count as small percentage?
:confused:

Islam has 73 sects, 72 of them are not following the true teachings of Islam, only one 1 is.

All these times the media are busy filing reports on these 72 sects of Islam, some of them are more barbaric than others perhaps, still the 1 true Islam is succesfully disguised behind the reports.

700.000 people at one protest in one town in one part of the world one of hundreds of protests. It only took what ten of them to carry out the world trade center attacks, it only takes half a dozen to kidnap and behead people. Small percentage means nothing when your talking about hundreds of thousands.

Saudi Cleric: Cartoon Publishers Should Be Tried

Saudi Arabia's top cleric called on the world's Muslims to reject apologies for the "slanderous" caricatures of Islam's Prophet Mohammed and demanded the authors and publishers of the cartoons be tried and punished, Saudi newspapers reported Saturday.

[*RichM*]

700.000 people at one protest in one town in one part of the world one of hundreds of protests. It only took what ten of them to carry out the world trade center attacks, it only takes half a dozen to kidnap and behead people. Small percentage means nothing when your talking about hundreds of thousands.

Exactly..
small percentage means nothing.
It does not mean the whole muslim world and Islam is barbaric and gives false teachings of peace which is the base of the true Islamic religion.

Saudi Cleric: Cartoon Publishers Should Be Tried

Saudi Arabia's top cleric called on the world's Muslims to reject apologies for the "slanderous" caricatures of Islam's Prophet Mohammed and demanded the authors and publishers of the cartoons be tried and punished, Saudi newspapers reported Saturday.

Saudi Top Cleric even doesn't justify the true Islam views in this situation.

The biggest Islam nation, Indonesia and Malaysia ( about 300 million muslims ) , All of the top clerics, even don't give such Rejection to the apologies, few of the left wing militant clerics do gives such rejection but nobody cares about them there.

1,2 billion muslim doesn't always follow top clerics in Saudi, a top cleric in saudi don't have by any chance similar power as what the Islamic Prophet once had.

The true Islam teachings is the same as what fellow christians were taught by Jesus Christ, which is to forgive and forget.

A saudi cleric not exercising that shall not even be considered a top cleric.

[luke_skywalker]

Exactly..
small percentage means nothing.
It does not mean the whole muslim world and Islam is barbaric and gives false teachings of peace which is the base of the true Islamic religion.



Saudi Top Cleric even doesn't justify the true Islam views in this situation.

The biggest Islam nation, Indonesia and Malaysia ( about 300 million muslims ) , All of the top clerics, even don't give such Rejection to the apologies, few of the left wing militant clerics do gives such rejection but nobody cares about them there.

1,2 billion muslim doesn't always follow top clerics in Saudi, a top cleric in saudi don't have by any chance similar power as what the Islamic Prophet once had.

The true Islam teachings is the same as what fellow christians were taught by Jesus Christ, which is to forgive and forget.

A saudi cleric not exercising that shall not even be considered a top cleric.

Well he is the top cleric in saudi arabia, so how many thousands of people do you think it takes until it's considered a concern.

I'm sure the same things you say were being said by some people during hitlers rise of followers of a radical belief. Hitler and his Nazi Science followers numbered in the tens of thousands. I'm sure thats a small percentage of 1.2 billion aswell, the nazi movement wasn't a big deal then i guess.

Oh i forgot according to the president of iran the holocaust nevered happened. So the growth of hitler and his followers never happened apparently. Whats the big deal though he's just a president of of a country of a small percentage of the worlds muslims right?

[WolverineDK]

Here is a message that will rock your bottom out of your pants, 12 people met up at the daughter of one the drawing artists school, thank goodness the daughter wasn´t there.

And here you have two links that I don´t care if they provoke any muslims ! ! !

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/dacha/001580.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/danmark/petition.html

[babu]

yeah, just read about it on a swedish news site. that just f-ed up! I mean his daugther doesn't even have anything todo with it.

[Alchy]

Anyone got a source for this? Can't find any mention through google.

[WolverineDK]

Anyone got a source for this? Can't find any mention through google.

Yup it was in the news yesterday, by Anders Fogh Rasmussen´s righthand(edit Jens Rohde ), who said it, and it was on the frontpage of Ekstra Bladet, and well the information was "classified", but he said it anyway.

The Danish name for Jens Rohde is "politisk ordfører" and a translation Political Word Leader , but the real English word for is not known to me.

[Alchy]

... I kind of meant an internet link ;)

There's one here, which says says the whole thing's a hoax/misunderstanding. "Four weeks ago, 6-8 Moslem girls showed up at the school of the daughter of one of the cartoonists, asking for "the daughter of the cartoonist who had insulted their prophet". They were turned away at the door." Apparently they were 10/11 years old.

[WolverineDK]

... I kind of meant an internet link ;)

There's one here, which says says the whole thing's a hoax/misunderstanding. "Four weeks ago, 6-8 Moslem girls showed up at the school of the daughter of one of the cartoonists, asking for "the daughter of the cartoonist who had insulted their prophet". They were turned away at the door." Apparently they were 10/11 years old.

Alchy, I have just seen Jens Rohde in TV2 Nyhederne, and DR1´s TV Avisen, and I could see in his face, that the information was real, and the other people had backstabbed him, and I know politicians are liers, but well I know he wasn´t joking. and his information was true, and well 8, 11 years girls isn´t true.

So I don´t give a rats ass about that comment that Klaus Seidel came with.

[Alchy]

If you read the article, the cartoonist involved (ie, the guy whose daughter was threatened) says it was a group of 6-8 girls. Personally, I trust his word.

You're believing what you want to believe, rather than looking at it rationally.

[WolverineDK]

If you read the article, the cartoonist involved (ie, the guy whose daughter was threatened) says it was a group of 6-8 girls. Personally, I trust his word.

You're believing what you want to believe, rather than looking at it rationally.

Dear Alchy, I live in Denmark, and you live in the UK. But when I see a person not lieing, it is because of his bodylanguage is open, and completely honest, so well I NOT am fan of the rightwing, at all. But I do like the truth when it is spoken, and that is why I know Jens Rohde was telling the truth.

Since his bodylanguage was open, and complete honest, and I understand the Danish language.

[Alchy]

How scientific - disregard the facts and go with a hunch.

[WolverineDK]

Alchy: well well well, I have just seen the late news with the smashing fucking great documentary from France 2, on Danish TV2, and Ahmed Akkari has just given in "jest" a deaththreat to Naser Kader, but hmmm well I woldn´t call a death threat to anyone a joke, and well what at least Two Danish comedians has said, then Ahmed Akkari is a complete moron, and an idiot, and needs to get on retirement pension.


So Alchy : if you are a muslim, and I am the Danish church minister, and I gave you a death threat in Danish, and later on said it was in "jest" was I allowed to say it ? or should I shut up ?


And by the way, the whole Islamic faith society are Salamists. Or what ever last word I could get out of the Arabic sound , with the French syncing over it, plus Danish subtitles.

So here goes a very big fucking thank you to the French from me :)

[Alchy]

What does all that have to do with anything? Could you try and post more coherently, please?

[WolverineDK]

What does all that have to do with anything? Could you try and post more coherently, please?

The French program took on a "undercover" mission into the Århus islamist movement, because of the 12 drawings, and well : That you could read in the news, if you look the right places, but hmmm a funny fact about Abu Laban, is that Laban means rascal in Danish, but yes Laban is a rascal, but he is much much more than just a rascal.

Alchy please try to find the news this time, internationally. Perhaps with the French ? thing and information for you, it was France 2 who showed the program first earlier today.