Yeah !!! I'm now officially Unemployed !!!

**Yakumo** · 05-29-2004

Yes, that's right. Finally got the boot from my last job after 5 years of loyal service but all that means nothing to the head who thinks a change is good. Good my arse !! What about my life? Fucking arse holes. Anyway,I'm off out to party all night in celebration with my Ex Co-workers who left last year. Please wish me luck in finding a new job :smt022

Yakumo

**SilverBolt** · 05-29-2004

Welcome to the club, i've been unemployed since i gratuated and can't find a job anywhere because they only want experienced people.

Well how the hell am i supposed to be experienced if i can't get a job to get experience in the first place :Hangman:

Greatsaintlouis · 05-29-2004

Silverbolt, welcome to my world. The majority of jobs around here are retail jobs, and I've never worked retail because I don't have experience because nobody will hire me because I don't have experience because nobody will hire me.... :smt076

Yakumo, sorry to hear that you're out. :smt009 Here's wishing you a speedy journey to another job! And don't party too hard that you regret it the next morning...

Hey, if anything you could start a webservice to compete with Rinkya, Celga, and the like, with all the experience you've had shipping stuff out for others...

**Blur2040** · 05-29-2004

How to get into retail:

If you're a female: Just apply, they'll hire you half of the time.

If you're a male: Start low. Start so low that you're pretty sure you're a slave....like McDonalds or Wal Mart or something...work there for awhile for "experience" and try moving up to something slightly less low, like a Best Buy...and if you have one of those college "degree" thingees...well, move on from there.

So far, I'm at stage two, I don't make minimum wage, but my job still blows the legendary giant penis.

**LeGIt** · 05-29-2004

I've been unemployed for years - granted msot of the time I'mskint :(

What i found was when I was employed - I was working all the time to buy cools tuff but had no time wahtsoever to enjoy it.

Now I'm unemployed, I'm flat broke but got all the time in the world!

You got a giant games colelction I bet you haven't completed all of em - time to get cracking on em? :smt023

**GaijinPunch** · 05-29-2004

Yakumo:

What do you do exactly, if you don't mind me asking? I've never gotten shitcanned from a job since I got out of college. I've had bloody awful jobs, but I stuck w/ them, b/c I knew that they not only built character, looked good on a resume.

I take that back though -- I got laid off about 1.5 years ago. My severance package was huge, and started a job 3 days later, so it was a very good thing.

I'll give you some pointers if I can. The first one, is make sure you get a good severance package. As stupid as it sounds, they're technically "not allowed to fire you", especially if you're a seishain. 5 years --- you should get about 7-8 months salary as compensation. Every laughs... I don't. PM me if you want some help... there really are laws about this here. Japan is very pro-employee, and not pro-employer.

**madhatter256** · 05-29-2004

Originally Posted by GaijinPunch

Japan is very pro-employee, and not pro-employer.

Unlike the US who lets companies like Enron shaft about 50,000 employees, with families who relied on the company, and let the CEOs get away with over $450million in severance pay and stocks.

Just recently the Equal Oppurtunity Committee who caters to the employees of America, not employers decided to let be legal to let employers to not give over-time pay to people who have technical jobs who still get paid by the hour. A lot of network administrators get paid by the hour and most of the time do have over-time but according to this the employers don't have to pay them the extra cash they owe them. This country is in need of a serious reform.

Greatsaintlouis · 05-29-2004

And let's not forget our wonderful Affirmitive Action laws (or Affirmative Blacktion as some call it) where if two people with nearly the same qualifications apply for a job, the person who is of some minority demographic will nearly always get hired.

And Blur: I'm not female, so there goes the easy in on that one, and it's the stage one that I am honestly having problems getting into - I lived in a very rural area before coming to college, and so all my previous experience, barring a stint at a company where I was the assistant IT manager ($10 an hour to fix computers - THAT was a dream job) all my stuff has been manual labor type jobs. And the not getting hired in the low slave job is not for lack of trying, I'm starting to think there's something unhirable.

God bless The United Fucking States Of America, Inc. Now plublicly traded on the international stock market. :smt076

And yeah, Yakumo, try to get that severance thingie GP was talking about, that will really be a help to you! Good luck! :smt023

**crissybwoy** · 05-30-2004

Depending on what sort of work your looking for - in the UK doing volentery work is one of the best ways to get experience. The way I got experience was to join a company as a casual member of staff ie they phoned me if someone was ill & I'd go and cover their shifts. Now I have a reasonably well paid job.

Yakumo, sorry you lost your job & good luck with the job hunt. Have you asked if there are any jobs going in Hard Off!!?

Greatsaintlouis · 05-30-2004

Yeah Yakumo, try that - you're probably there more than some of their employees anyways! :smt023

AntiPasta · 05-30-2004

Yakumo, arent there any institutions that are in need of native English speakers? I remember reading thru staff ads in a UK tabloid (that called itself "the world's greatest newspaper - striving for a better Britain" :p), and there were several ads from banks looking for native speakers of various languages, got tempted to apply for a Dutch one :smt043

s0urce · 05-30-2004

If you don't know what to do just start teaching english to people who won't learn it anyway :smt023 They always got some slavery contracts for foreigners ;-) What did you work before?Do you have an university degree or didn't you need one because you married your wife?

**ASSEMbler** · 05-30-2004

You have ANY idea how shitty it is to teach english in Japan. That is slavery my friend.

**Yakumo** · 05-30-2004

I don't want to teach English in japan. That's a right shitty option.

Yakumo

**GaijinPunch** · 05-30-2004

Yakumo: There are way worse options, and almost all of them pay WAAAY less than teaching English. I'll admit -- Teaching English is by no means a fun job, but you can get some decent classes. I have friends that do it professionally. They basically pick their students... and they're in the same bracket as me, working in securities.

Sorry if I don't whip out my violin, but I worked in the OFFICE of a business English school filing papers and grading tests (actually running them through a machine). Then, I taught a 2 hour class from 6 to 8PM 4 times a week. This, all for the ripe salary of minimum wage (for foreigners on a working visa). I had no time for private students or any other way to make money. It sucked shit.

You're definitely entitled to your opinion, but if you can't swallow a bit of pride, then you gotta face the consequences.

First things first though -- get your severance package.

s0urce · 05-30-2004

Originally Posted by assembler

You have ANY idea how shitty it is to teach english in Japan. That is slavery my friend.

That's why I said slavery contracts :smt023

**Yakumo** · 05-30-2004

I think that you miss understood my point GaijinPunch. I worked as an English Teacher for 5 years almost. It's not that bad as a job but what is shitty is that Teaching English is always going to be a yearly contract affair. That is something I don't want. So I'm on the look out for a "Real" full time job. Some people may say that I'm being picky but look at it from this point. say I work as an English Teacher and get paid great money but every year face the same horror of having my contract terminated. This may not be such a big deal now but can you imagine what it would be like if I was 35 to 40 ? It's not going to be easy to get a new job then, is it? Also as you know foreigners who work on yearly contracts pay far higher insurance than people who have "real" jobs plus there are normally no bonuses or wage increases as your age increase. So at the end of the day, getting paid much more than your Japanese salaryman rival doesn't really add up to much.

Yakumo

**GaijinPunch** · 05-30-2004

I see where you're coming from. Having played on both sides of the fence, I can say that both have their upsides. On the sensei side, you know what you're getting. On the otherside, you don't. Believe me - I was eluded to some fantasticly huge bonus that just never came (2 years in a row). The 2nd one was absolutely laughable. The wage increases? Same thing. I got butt-fucked on those as well on multiple occasions. Hell, I even got laid off after my department was the most financially successful group in our branch!

Yearly contracts do suck as you get older, I agree. You're essentially getting paid more for having less security.

Also as you know foreigners who work on yearly contracts pay far higher insurance than people who have "real" jobs

Do you mean this literally, or figuratively? Literally, it's not exactly true... at least for health insurance. It depends on your monthly in take. I make abou 50% more now as a full time employee than I did when I was contract scum, so my health insurance is damn expensive (and it is compulsory for you people not in the know). Since I can do surgery better than 90% of all Japanese doctors, I also have to pay for US insurance (that covers me in any country) out of my pocket. All in all, I think I drop $350/mo or so just on health insurance. Then I got Social Security, unemployment, kick backs for government officials, then even some US taxes on that. Everyone gets a piece of me. :snipe:

**sayin999** · 05-31-2004

I am sorry to hear you are losing your job. In the U.S. teachers have a similar contract you have depending on what they teach(although if they work distirct schools you just change districts, or do find work for the summer with summer school teaching). Although is it possible to get a temp job for something like retail? Or does that pay shitty? From what i heard from my brothers japanese friend, in japan your ussually have job where your pretty much steady and you stay with it, sorta like a permanent one. But i'm guessing it might be harder since they would consider you a foregnier huh? By the way I do really apreaciate you gettiing the games for me despite the circumstances. I wish you the best of luck.

**madhatter256** · 05-31-2004

Originally Posted by GaijinPunch

I see where you're coming from. Having played on both sides of the fence, I can say that both have their upsides. On the sensei side, you know what you're getting. On the otherside, you don't. Believe me - I was eluded to some fantasticly huge bonus that just never came (2 years in a row). The 2nd one was absolutely laughable. The wage increases? Same thing. I got butt-fucked on those as well on multiple occasions. Hell, I even got laid off after my department was the most financially successful group in our branch!

Yearly contracts do suck as you get older, I agree. You're essentially getting paid more for having less security.

Also as you know foreigners who work on yearly contracts pay far higher insurance than people who have "real" jobs

Do you mean this literally, or figuratively? Literally, it's not exactly true... at least for health insurance. It depends on your monthly in take. I make abou 50% more now as a full time employee than I did when I was contract scum, so my health insurance is damn expensive (and it is compulsory for you people not in the know). Since I can do surgery better than 90% of all Japanese doctors, I also have to pay for US insurance (that covers me in any country) out of my pocket. All in all, I think I drop $350/mo or so just on health insurance. Then I got Social Security, unemployment, kick backs for government officials, then even some US taxes on that. Everyone gets a piece of me. :snipe:

Japan has Social Security?? You pay US taxes in Japan??? :smt017 :smt017

I'm still in college. So I don't know how its like to get butt-fucked by employers in a high position. Thats why if I'm successful in marketing my game (which I have yet to start on), I can make enough money to where I don't have to answer to no-one except me. Well that is a little bit too optimistic. Ultimately, I'm gonna try to make good friends with some of the people here are deep in the game industry and simulator industry here in Orlando, FL. If I also do great in college, I'll probably get picked up by Lockheed Martin and start off making a nice $45k/year with tons of benefits. If I do get that, I have to prove myself though because every 5 years, they do a sweep of the place and get rid of people who don't put in the extra effort and hire people fresh out of college. Overall, I just want to work hard enough to where I don't have to worry about losing my job. I don't care what everybody says, I'm gonna keep at it.