I got ahold of a PlayStation scart cable recently and was wondering where I can find an NTSC RGB monitor that accepts the scart plug? Years ago my friend made me a RGB cable and gave me a small monitor (12 or 13 inch?). I still have it and it's awesome. Nothing can beat RGB. But now that I have a new scart cable I want to get a bigger monitor. My 1084S monitor doesn't have a scart plug-in.
The guy who sold me the scart said his uncle had a monitor from MAS Systems.
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What the heck. I tried that website last week and it wasn't up. Maybe it was being maintained. Thanks for checking. Is this my only option? Are there any other NTSC rgb monitor available?Originally Posted by Kyuusaku
Of course ;) pracitically every arcade monitor in service is a 15.63(75)KHz RGB monitor, perfect for what your PS outputs. I'm not sure what MAS' actual monitor is inside that big red box but my guess is that they use Wells Gardner monitors. No matter where you buy a RGB monitor new, it'll be rediculously expensive. Also know that you won't find any monitor with a SCART socket in America, if you don't want to wire it up yourself maybe you should consider buying a SCART multisystem television from abroad. That way you can view NTSC/PAL and RGB.
BTW, a "NTSC RGB monitor" is an oxymoron, NTSC and RGB are both seperate color carriers. If you mean you want a NTSC monitor that can also display RGB, you should look into professional /broadcast monitors such as Sony's PVM line (my favorite) or a multisystem television with a SCART socket.
Last edited by Calpis; 05-10-2005 at 07:38 PM.
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When I wrote NTSC RGB I actually meant a Monitor that would work in the states. European countries have a 220 volt? (some weird plug) What would be less expensive...a MAS 19inch monitor or a Sony PVM or multisystem TV?
Remake your lead for the 1084, that's your cheapest option. It should be a 9 pin D-sub connection, IIRC.. oh actually, the 1084 might be DIN. Pinouts will be on Lawrence's site.
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A multisystem TV will be the cheapest for a new item but it may be hard locating one stateside, shipping one from elsewhere will definately make it the most expensive solution. A Sony PVM can be had cheaply if you don't mind settling on a used one, keep in mind that you may have to luck out to find one locally. Still, you'll need to make an adapter from SCART or whatever to Sony DB25 or SCART -> BNC RGB jacks. You'll have to compare your options to find out whether or not MAS' 19" monitor is competitively priced. You may get lucky and find a Sony PVM in your backyard for <$200 in excellent condition from a doctor/hospital/school/other professional work environment going out of business or upgrading their equipment.
Last edited by Calpis; 05-18-2005 at 10:45 PM.
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My university has loads of really big monitors - all 28"+ with loads of sockets on the back, usually including RGB BNC, SCART and whatever else. Some of them are pretty damn old though - the Sony ones say "Made in W. Germany".
I'd love to steal some of em ^_^, but I doubt they'll let me have my degree if I did...
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Shipping on these monitors might be prohibitively expensive, although if you get a Sony PVM-2530 (I got one -- Kyuusaku is right... they are great) the (possible) low price might be okay. It's about 175 pounds... so shipping within the mainland would probably be $100-$200. You can find them used on Ebay for under $100 though. I've even seen them new in shops for $399. It's got a goofy 25-pin RGB input that will require you to make your own cables. There's a thread in off-topic I made with some solutions.
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I don't know why people like old RGB monitors like that. A brand new (or even fairly new) PAL 14" set from a good brand like Panasonic or Philips will be even more functional - SCART sockets are mandatory on European TVs (DIN plugs can be easily modified to SCART), and most can now do NTSC too - and the picture quality will be significantly better. Though they will set you back about 150 Euro new, and that's excluding shipping...
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If for some reason you can get a Japanese Trinitron TV with Multi-AV input on it that's RGB-able. There's even a guy in Japan that makes/sells cables.
Tokyo RGB Hospice guy?
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Zilog, you forget the poster (and many people) are in the US and PAL televisions aren't commonplace there. Indeed, they are big, heavy things - and dangerous. You would probably need to declare you are shipping one - a television imploding on a plane ould be hazardous. Also, there has been some talk of televisions screwing up if taken over the equator, which rules out their best bet - importing from Japan, which would be NTSC and 100V (close enough to their voltage, probably, not to need a step-down transformer - and no need for a step-up unlike European televisions).
It is FAR cheaper, and more practical, to buy a monitor in the US, such as a commodore amiga monitor. In this case, he can convert his SCART lead to 1084 RGB input.
Oh and MAS can *$!% off selling them at that price!!! No wonder they dropped the price $200!! Sounds like they've bunged an arcade monitor in a cabinet... an arcade monitor that costs more like $400. If you wanna give me $250 for a bit of wood or metal, be my guest!!
Last edited by retro; 05-31-2005 at 04:14 PM.
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You'd better ship a TV by surface mail anyways...
Unless it's moved since the last time I checked, Japan isn't below the equator...Also, there has been some talk of televisions screwing up if taken over the equator, which rules out their best bet - importing from Japan...
Yeah but as has been proven, there's not much choice in the US. You can either pay naff all for a crappy old 13" Amiga monitor (and emphasis on the "old" part - most of these will be at least 10 years old now!), get lucky and find something like a Sony PVM, or pay hideous amounts for an import or an arcade monitor.It is FAR cheaper, and more practical, to buy a monitor in the US, such as a commodore amiga monitor. In this case, he can convert his SCART lead to 1084 RGB input.
Importing CRTs is probably pretty expensive, but more than possible. When we moved from Saudi to England a while back, our VGA monitor for our 386 was shipped with all our other crap, and I'm pretty sure they were shipped by air...
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Yes. Sorry for the way stupid late reply. :)
LMAOUnless it's moved since the last time I checked, Japan isn't below the equator...
Look at those PAL TVs I was axing about in the off topic forum. I think you can get a 25" Wega PAL CRT w/ Scart input for like $600 within the US. Shipping is like another $100-$150. Not expensive at all considering it's shipped across the world.Importing CRTs is probably pretty expensive, but more than possible. When we moved from Saudi to England a while back, our VGA monitor for our 386 was shipped with all our other crap, and I'm pretty sure they were shipped by air...
Last edited by GaijinPunch; 06-04-2005 at 11:18 PM.
There's also the option of old VGA monitors that can sync down to 15Khz, I had one of these for a while and it was quite nice. I also once found an old Sony PVM at thrift shop for $5. Then there's the option of getting an old arcade montior instead paying an assload for a new one. Despite all those options, though, I've been most happy with my old 1084s clone from Philips (also found at a thrift store...can't remember how much I paid).
Yes, the common denominator in all of those options is old, but despite the marketinng hype you've been bombarded with, old does not necessarily mean shitty. I find that my 1084s clone produces an RGB picture easily comparable to any of the other RGB monitors I've owned and its composite and s-video (actually, chroma/luma) are far better than what I see on most low-to-medium-end TVs. If only the screen was about 5inches bigger. By the way, I also have an old Technics stereo system form the early-'80s that sounds a hell of a lot better than any modern ones I've heard.
Oh, one non-old option we have for RGB in the U.S. that no one's mentioned is an XRGB converter. I've had one of those, too, and they produce a pretty nice image when you're using RGB inputs. They don't take SCART exactrly, but they use the same plug type, so it's very easy to convert an SCART cable to work with an XRGB box.
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XRGB is like a patch-job, not a permanent solution. XSelect is even more appropriate but I wouldn't touch either if you're hardcore about avoiding degradation.
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You could also just go straight to the source and buy one from Wells Gardner.
http://www.wellsgardner.com/
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