GC: component or vga? Best quality pls.

[GaijinPunch]

Sorry, misread.
Same as the Wii though, isn't it?

I don't think going through the digital port on the NTSC is that pricey... at least in my experience. But you would get no 15khz signal. However, who cares -- there are no low-res games on the GC that I can think of, and on the off chance there are, I'm sure they're interlaced anyway. Sucks if you don't a way to view a progressive signal, but this is hardly a travesty. The Wii, on the otherhand, w/ the VC and no low res RGB for NTSC consoles, is another story.

[Bad_Ad84]

Wii can output RGB or Component via its AV out on all region consoles.

The motherboards are physical identical between all regions - just software differences.

Peoples definition of pricey varies. However, I remained neutral by just stating digital is more expensive than RGB MultiAV

[GaijinPunch]

Wii can output RGB or Component via its AV out on all region consoles.

I have not done much research b/c I care very little about the Wii, but it was my understanding (from reading a few threads -- even here) that the Wii supports 15khz modes for VC games, however, only S-Video for NTSC consoles but will do RGB for PAL. I'd have to dig to confirm.

So, if somehow have a 21-pin RGB cable connected to my NTSC-J Wii, and connect that to my RGB monitor, and play an SFC game on VC, what will it output?

[Bad_Ad84]

Well the consoles are physically all identical. The only difference is a setting in software (which is changeable). So if there is a limit on what VC will output, its an artificial one.

I can region change my console to NTSC-J and test (I have RGB lead for my Wii). But finding time will be difficult theses days.

[Lum]

That isn't how I understood it... I thought NTSC Wii doesn't supply any RGB form to its AV port, and PAL Wii doesn't supply any s-video form to its AV port. Nothing to do with region or software so it wouldn't even be VC specific? I suppose could be an internal change like firmware or DAC version used, instead of the motherboard.'

I suppose I'll leard something from this. :)

But have we actually tried a fully softmodded Wii of either origin, with the other's "exclusive" cable? There doesn't seem to be much testing.

[Bad_Ad84]

I will test on a region modded unit and a jap unit. I have hundreds of Wii motherboards in a box.

Its certainly possible RGB is disabled and Svideo is output depending on the system menu or region setting.

Will do some tests when I get time.

But I am almost 100% certain the hardware is identical.


Edit:

It's not sure whether RGB output is only available in PAL version or if the AV Encoder chip can be configured by software to switch between S-Video and RGB signal outputs. Indeed, earlier Wii homebrew applications would display wrong colors (satured red) on a PAL Wii when using RGB cable and libogc usual video mode (EURGB60), which seems to indicate that S-Video was indeed output. This was fixed by adding proper configuration of the AV Encoder chip.

This sort of backs me up

and another:

http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3578.0;imode

Basically that NTSC software is forcing svideo on a pal console. Homebrew sites also mention you can config the output mode via software. However, they fall short of the rgb -> svideo confirmation.

But as I said - I have had hundreds of these, region changed many etc and am certain the hardware is identical.

Here are some of the hardware registers:
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Hardware/AV_Encoder

6eh is the interesting one.

Also hinting at the same - its all software controlled (which is what I originally said). I didnt realise it wasnt confirmed anywhere, it was just an observation from having many many consoles in pieces.

[Lum]

IMO what I'd like to see is a way to expose PAL modes on the NTSC system menu. As much as Europeans hate what 50hz+576i did to so many games, we aren't given a choice (whether or not it's inferior). Our consoles haven't caught up to make 50hz optional the way 60hz now is for PAL ones.

[dcultrapro]

might not be the answer your after but I simply play my Gamecube games via the Wii and Component connection, when I DID use the original Gamecube I used Component and the picture isn't much different

I need to go back and play Resident Evil 4 again someday, never did finish that awesome game

[Barc0de]

I admit not having read the above posts.

I also admit I don't need to since I had my GC on my monitor since it came out.

How? well, for the 480i stuff I used a VGA-box, not the best quality, certainly not better than a CRT Tele and composite cables.
For the 480p I got a custom cable (courtesy of Dr_Slump) from Lik Sang that I hooked in the "digital" port.

Hence, by the press of a button on a KVM monitor-setup I enjoyed crisp 480p gaming on my monitor.

It should be noted that I also had/have (can't find it) a Wii VGA cable that did all the 480p flawlessly.

Component to VGA is a matter of converting RGBHV => RGB, composite to VGA is another story, you'll certainly need a VGA-box that will transcode the signal although the results are average at best. It goes w/o saying that PAL gc units only output 480i thanks to their games (with the exception of Godzilla) and that means you'll have to settle with the shitty quality of a VGA box.

The Component->VGA custom cable would help you with all your 480p enabled games though. Please note that that the GC boot menu is not available in 480p.

[Pikmin]

Now that swiss supports 480p on PAL games, there's never been a better time to own a gc component cable,. Widescreen works really well too.
If you dont want to spend too much money, just use Wii + comp cable

[Lum]

Now that swiss supports 480p on PAL games, there's never been a better time to own a gc component cable,. Widescreen works really well too.
If you dont want to spend too much money, just use Wii + comp cable

Indeed. If one can afford the gc component cable, a jp or switched gc system to fix japanese games is more than within one's budget to save for.