What do you think about Reproduction cart games?

[Canoness]

I been coming across these more and more as I wonder around on youtube seeing people talk about how much they come to like these reproduction carts.
Someone in whom i watch on youtube quite often is this guy ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ0gXJm-5G8
In which he talks about these games that he buys from here ---> http://www.timewalkgames.com/ The more i been looking into these carts the more am saying to myself
that reproduction cart of Final Fantasy II looks rather tempting. For those who are not fans of emulation this seems to be something that appeals more to them since it does
play in your nes or snes depending on which game you buy. So am wondering from other like myself do games like this interest you or do you just not care for them and will stay with
the original games?

oh here is one more link to show off more games http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hh4BqPrjwU

[geluda]

I'd love a reproduction of Sieken Densetsu 3 in English, that's something I'd buy. What's the legality of this though? I understand unreleased games or promotional games such as World Championships carts, but surely there's some morality issues here. :/ Still pretty cool though, there's some games I'd love to play on a console, but the price tag is quite high.

[APE]

Copyright infringement is copyright infringement. The likelyhood of being sued is slim though unless you started making big money off these things and slung them around as if they were legitimately produced by Nintendo.

[SuperGrafx]

I see repros as worthless fan-made bootlegs.

[APE]

I see repros as worthless fan-made bootlegs.

Does that make flash carts such as the Everdrive Churches of bootlegs?

[Canoness]

I can understand the whole legal side of thing in how remaking a cart of like Final Fantasy IV is wrong, and yes I know that games that were only released out in Japan do get remakes and ports to other regions. Still being able to have a copy of Secret of Mana 2 in English is freaking sweet. Now the web site that I refer to mainly does English ports of game that where Japan only titles and Home-brew games which to me I find nothing wrong with making those titles available in there original format. At the same time being able to play Final Fantasy II on your nes in English is pretty cool to me, for I know for a fact that if I went to Square-Enix today and ask them to release that title in English for the nes it would not happen.

[Lum]

Developing original parts seems like the right idea. Costs of that would go down if the market grew enough to support making shells/labels/boards in bulk.

Bootleggers may have resources we don't, but less interest in a quality presentation.

[Teancum]

I think it's a great way to have what you wish had happened. For example I plan to make a Mega Man and Bass repro eventually. It would be awesome to make a box for it a manual and I would display it proudly with my other Rockman/Megaman games. I know it's not valuable as a collectable or anything like that but still definitely worth the time to put together. Just my 2 cents.

[GodofHardcore]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo doesn't care. Other wise Swat teams would have murdered retro USB and fans would have Murdered Reggie by now.

[Vosse]

I love repro's for Unreleased games and games that never came out in English. It gives you something to look at, put on a shelf and of course play it on the ORIGINAL HARDWARE.

[Nintendawg]

Lame lame lame. With products like the Everdrive and Powepak existing I can not see any need for counterfeits. Whoops I meant reproductions.

They also screw with the collectors market. So yeah, Im against them.

[CrAzY]

All for them. Especially when they are well done. Doesn't hurt anything unless someone intentionally tries to sell it without stating it is a repro, that is the only thing I could see anyone having a problem with.

[HEX1GON]

If they are more affordable then by all means I'm for it, but if they work out more and of less quality then there is no reason to get one.

Flashcarts, really calling them bootlegs? Oo

[APE]

They also screw with the collectors market. So yeah, Im against them.

Collectors can cry me a river.

[brainpann]

I do not see cart repros any differently than any other sort of reproduction. If someone wanted a Picasso in their house but couldn't afford the real thing, should they be denied?

The beauty about cart reproductions is that, it seems, only games that have not been released in certain territories (or at all) are being reproduced. I hope this remains the case but I'm sure there are a few incidents of repros being sold as legit copies.

[Lum]

lol. I'd be very surprised if there isn't a shifty contact in Hong Kong who could make us forklift ready pallets of Earthbound.

[Teancum]

Collectors can cry me a river.

^^^ this made me lol.

I think collectors end up coming from two viewpoints.

1. Making the game more available makes the games they own not worth as much (In the case of rare title repros.Earthbound would be a good example. )
2. Can make it hard to spot real games from the fakes (in the case of rare titles getting reproduced. Earthbound would be a good example.)

As far as the first reason goes I really don't care at all. The second I have sympathy for but I still consider it there problem. Maybe collectors should buy just VGA certified games :p

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

Doesn't hurt anything unless someone intentionally tries to sell it without stating it is a repro, that is the only thing I could see anyone having a problem with.

Agreed, that's my main concern. This isn't really an issue with cheaper games, but it's more of an issue with expensive games, especially ones that had a very limited release. I would be incredibly pissed if I shelled out a ton of money on a really rare game, only to discover it's a repro.

[Nintendawg]

Collectors can cry me a river.

I'm not even a Nintendo collector myself, but why hate on collectors?

Heres a hypothetical situation. Say a big time collector was to die. He has a large collection of SNES and NES carts. Amongst those are many reproductions carts. His posessions are now sold on Ebay in a big lot, or perhaps a storage locker auction. They are bought by some half interested guy who intends to flip them. Whoops, now the repro's are wild again! Only there is a very very good chance they would not be sold as repros, but a genuine item.

Being against repro's doesn't mean I'm against gamers, or that only the rich should be able to play certain games. There are already extremely good tools available for playing these roms on real hardware. I can see no reason anyone would need a reproduction of a game, over a flashcart, unless they were trying to misrepresent what they really had.

Also I haven't looked at prices recently, but last time I did, every reproduction cart was priced very highly. It would be great if everyone in getting favour of repros could post how much the were willing to pay for one. Because I think the cross section of people that would be happy to pay the repro prices but not enough for an Everdrive would be a tiny fraction.

I don't get why people want these things.

[Mystical]

as long as people don't try and pass them off as originals then i don't have any problem with them to be honest