European people: RGB vs HDMI

[retro]

Technically, it was about the PS3, albeit running PS1 games ;)

In PS1 times, very few people here had SCART. You may have been different up there in Staffordshire, but down here in Kent, it was a rarity. Fact.

In the present, yes it's usually built into a television and so won't cost the consumer any more, assuming they have such a television. Your argument would have been better served from a manufacturer's point of view, though. It's not expensive to implement it in a television, but it's more expensive to replace a non-SCART television with a SCART equipped one.

Getting a Sony PVM or a Commodore Amiga monitor is a good way to go for retro gaming in the US, getting back on topic. They can be picked up relatively cheaply nowadays, as people don't really want them (I even saw someone giving away a Philips CM8833 on a forum recently - in the UK, but still).

I'd never get a plasma - LCDs are great nowadays. Samsung make some stunning LED televisions. Yes, having a dedicated RGB CRT is nice for classic gaming, though.

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

I'd never get a plasma - LCDs are great nowadays. Samsung make some stunning LED televisions. Yes, having a dedicated RGB CRT is nice for classic gaming, though.

Yeah, same here... I don't understand people who say plasma is better than LCD. I've seen plasmas, and for the most part they looked worse than the crappiest LCD I've seen. LED-backlit LCDs have really amazing picture quality.

[Bad_Ad84]

Birmingham at the time, not burton :)

Edit:

I own a plasma because it was 50 inch and free (has RGB scart too, while we are at it :P)

[Calpis]

Calpis said getting RGB equipment is expensive

Maybe? I never implied that getting a RGB-capable TV was MORE expensive for you, but rather that the implementation was expensive and interconnecting RGB was expensive (especially SCART and especially especially in the 70s). Originally I was replying to Lum who proposed that RGB was never adopted in the US because there wasn't a standard connection here and my argument is that it was never adopted because the end doesn't justify the means*. But I now know that SCART was always cheap so moot discussion.


*today's RGB fanatics disagree because RGB is definitely the best thing since sliced bread! (introduced 3 years apart)

[Bad_Ad84]

Makes more sense =/

[Flash]

Pretty much every TV i had since 1986 was multi-system. PAL, SECAM, NTSC... whatever, just connect the cable, turn it on and watch. Same for sound carriers. And every TV except very small portable ones had scart connectors, most had RGB input.

P.S. Dude who designed RCA phono plug deserved to be kicked hard enough to fly to Mars. Connecting signal before ground is a very bad idea, i repaired a lot of various stuff damaged by static discharges etc.

[Jamtex]

P.S. Dude who designed RCA phono plug deserved to be kicked hard enough to fly to Mars. Connecting signal before ground is a very bad idea, i repaired a lot of various stuff damaged by static discharges etc.

But it was designed back in the 40s to connect a phonograph (hence phono connector) to a radio set.

[Oldgamingfart]

Although it's great for retro-gaming, I've never liked the design of SCART. The fact that the weight of a fully-wired SCART lead has a tendency to fall out the back of the TV is the most annoying thing. They could've at least stuck on a couple of screw threads, bit like a VGA cable or parallel printer port etc.

Reminds me of one time my brother went to set up the Megadrive on the living room telly. Pushed the SCART in a little too firmly, and managed to push the entire PCB in! The smaller daughterboard holding the SCART and audio stages had detached internally from the chassis. A bollocking from the 'rents and a call to the TV repairman ensued.

Probably a slight design flaw on the TV, but still think a couple of screw threads on the SCART would've most likely prevented the issue.

[veganx]

Plasma is way better then LCD. For the first part it's faster in displaying image.
It treats SD images way better then the most expensive LCD.
3D Plasma do not suffer of cross-talk which is very common in LCD.
Plasma can display a way better black then LCD/LED.

This is my plasma out of the box, you can see how good it is displaying colors even in 10% light:


And here you can see after some minor calibration using eyeone display color meter.

[Segata Sanshiro]

Although it's great for retro-gaming, I've never liked the design of SCART. The fact that the weight of a fully-wired SCART lead has a tendency to fall out the back of the TV is the most annoying thing. They could've at least stuck on a couple of screw threads, bit like a VGA cable or parallel printer port etc.

Reminds me of one time my brother went to set up the Megadrive on the living room telly. Pushed the SCART in a little too firmly, and managed to push the entire PCB in! The smaller daughterboard holding the SCART and audio stages had detached internally from the chassis. A bollocking from the 'rents and a call to the TV repairman ensued.

Probably a slight design flaw on the TV, but still think a couple of screw threads on the SCART would've most likely prevented the issue.

Can't say I've ever had such problems myself.

[Calpis]

P.S. Dude who designed RCA phono plug deserved to be kicked hard enough to fly to Mars. Connecting signal before ground is a very bad idea, i repaired a lot of various stuff damaged by static discharges etc.

It doesn't have to be that way, the signal could be slightly recessed like a UK aerial plug, I guess they aren't in order to make a more secure connection. Or maybe they're obligated to be that way to make contact with some recessed female jacks in use.

[retro]

Plasma is way better then LCD. For the first part it's faster in displaying image.
It treats SD images way better then the most expensive LCD.
3D Plasma do not suffer of cross-talk which is very common in LCD.
Plasma can display a way better black then LCD/LED.

Originally, yes.. but not any more! As I said, Samsung make some excellent LED TVs with stunning blacks. They're very closely matched to Plasmas now.

[veganx]

And panasonic made a model named VX200 which has self calibration and it's the most state of the art plasma screen I ever read a review about.
It's sad that this TV costs more then a house here in Brazil.

[Calpis]

Pleaseeeee don't call LED-backlit LCD "LED", they're so much worse than actual OLED TV.

[veganx]

That's why I added LCD slash LED

[retro]

Lol, an OLED TV must cost the Earth!!

[Segata Sanshiro]

Yup. To consumers I believe LG released a 15" screen for £1000.

[veganx]

It's been a while and I would like the feedback of everyone that has any information on this.

I'm sticking with CRT tvs for old games, that means anything up to the PS2.

Tomorrow I'll receive the final comment from a tv guy if he's up to mod my 37" crt tv into RGB with scart.

My question is: I have the opportunity to get a crt flat screen 38 inches with video component, a sony wega.
I was wondering how good is RGB converted into video component vs s-video and vs pure RGB via scart?
Is it really close to what people in europe have?
Should I upgrade from s-video to rgb via video component?

Please, give me your opinion on that.

[APE]

After having seen RGB in person: it is worth it.

[veganx]

But, RGB converted to component, is it still worth it?

I this thread in another forum: http://www.avforums.com/forums/inter...composite.html

they say the loss in the conversion is not visible. I really would like to know that.
If I should invest modding a tv into rgb or should follow the route rgb into component.
with this kind of converter: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-SCART-t...item3362ac07c8