[N64] Wildwaters (UNRELEASED)

[Zoinkity]

That? There's an internal filelist with all the offsets. All I did was piped them though the N64toTGA.exe I've bundled up in the TWINE and AF tools. Didn't feel like tracing everything so just took at peek at them to guess the dimentions/format. Really easy, actually.

There aren't any stage-specific images from the second stage present. Also, when it attempts to load it it will peek at data beyond the actual end of ROM (0x800000) and treat teh display lists there as though they were pointers. That, needless to say, is very bad.

[Master13]

Thanks a bunch I love the N64 and You got me excited for your upcoming releases

[stranno]

A big thanks to you and to Team Carrot for getting this out there for all to enjoy.
Any hints on the what your remaining three undumped games are to get us salivating?

As far as I'm aware this release only includes a single stage, the videos you've seen may be from the "more complete" version Black Sheep mentioned.

My bad. It works exactly as seen on real hardware xD

Only one level of SP and MP also working, very slow

[angrylion]

That? There's an internal filelist with all the offsets. All I did was piped them though the N64toTGA.exe I've bundled up in the TWINE and AF tools. Didn't feel like tracing everything so just took at peek at them to guess the dimentions/format.

Thanks. Another ignorant question, if possible: how did you find the internal filelist?

[black sheep]

[QUOTE=zidapi;574348]A big thanks to you and to Team Carrot for getting this out there for all to enjoy.
Any hints on the what your remaining three undumped games are to get us salivating?

Team carrot is stopping with there work and they where responsible for getting this rom out there.
And with them gone there is no way im releasing anything.The rabbit might release some small things but i believe you all got a big present in the shape of mini racers on eastern.

[pato]

Funny the characters on the picture above looks like aerith and cloud.

[Zoinkity]

Matters on the game, and there's a few different ways to do it. The way I do it is backtrace from ROM access or search for known addresses.
First, there's a few standards for sound, and since those addresses are needed for a certain other side-project searching for their identifiers helps. Some will use "B1", "S1", "N64 PtrTablesV2", "N64 WaveTables ", or actual midi/mp3 headers.
The more useful method is to set a write breakpoint on A460000C (PI Write Size), advance one op, and see what ROM address it's loading. Also, looking at the return will usually key you in on what the rdram address is for the ROM loading routine(s). You can search for JALs to it. In Wild Waters, one of them is 8000A6F4, in ASM 0C0029BD, loading A2 bytes from ROM A1 to rdram A0.
The advantage is that you can then look for any immediate hardcoded addresses and also pick up on any tables, usually the number of entries, and especially any base address they'll increment from.
For instance, take a peek at 80030D70 and you'll see it loads two banks of stuff ('sfx' and 'graphics') within 0x40 headers. Knowing filesizes and peeking at offsets it's pretty easy to guess the header's format.

Others would be:
800360F8 V0=p->image entry A0 within MWo2 file @ 0x8E0C0
80036330 load image entry A0 within MWo2 file @ 0x8E0C0 to A1

This game's data uses a rather silly table at 0x89370 in ROM to index the 'sd' block. Each entry is 0x20 in size and I don't think all of it is used. It'll look something like this:
00013880 00000040 00000000 800350A8 800350F8 00000000 00000000 00000000
The breakdown is something like:
0x0 2 type, or they could just read the GUID stupidly
0x2 2 GUID(?)
0x4 4 offset
0x8 4 offset to multiimage table or NULL
0xC 4 p->preprocessor handler(?)
0x10 4 p->postprocessor handler(?)
0x14 4 RESERVED
0x18 4 size
0x1C 4 RESERVED

Note I didn't export the objects in the 'graphics' block. The microcode interpretter I have has a stupid bug in it. Doesn't cause problems with GE usually but does with this game.

Depends on the game though how well that will work. There isn't a lot to these prototypes and they didn't compress anything so really, its quite simple to do. Some games have dozens of microtables, and some hardcode everything.

Take, for instance, Mini Racers. So far, no compression. There's a couple tables, and some are offsets from a standard address while others are immediate offsets, and there's quite a few hardcoded addresses.
0x801E0 - 0x802C0 is a table of 17 entries, each one an actual ROM address. Most are hardcoded. Things like the sound table, ASM, and some of the DL/image files are loaded directly; a few are more complex, like how 80000874 is a linked table of hardcoded offsets corresponding to entry number A0; and then you get into the truly questionable like 80000CB8 and 80000E40, loading one of 8 images from one of five banks or a default image, and the sizes can differ.

Anyway, found each and every one by looking for ROM load requests sent to the PI and backtracing the loader.

[Yakumo]

Funny the characters on the picture above looks like aerith and cloud.

You know, they really do. I never noticed that until you mentioned it.

[Flash]

Thanks! Gonna give this a spin soon....

Note: be careful with the download link- Click on the writing at the top (where it says wildwaters...) do not at any point download the ilivid exe file... Also, the 'download' text is tiny - and it appears in the middle, sandwiched between the ads.

Ads ? It's 21st century, and there's AdBlock Plus and other stuff :)

[HEX1GON]

Thanks for the share Jackhammer and Team CARROT.

[Franzh11]

awesome !!

[Shinebi]

Bot much?? 'Cuz:

Not just an awesome little proto, but the way they coded the water is nifty. Little packets of vectors. So really the water consists of blobs ;*)

[nesworld]

Team carrot is stopping with there work and they where responsible for getting this rom out there.
And with them gone there is no way im releasing anything.The rabbit might release some small things but i believe you all got a big present in the shape of mini racers on eastern.

Sorry to bump this one, but just because Team Carrot is "gone" you can't release anything?... I don't get it.
If you don't want to release stuff for free, I can understand that, there are always fundraisers... (not necessearily here)

In case you're looking for N64 prototype carts again (in return for releasing roms) I won't be the one to chip in this time around, I've done my part ;-)

[black sheep]

Back after a long time.

I got a 1 of a kind prototype of frogger,straight from a developer.No not that fake 1 but a 3D version.
And a prototype version of macethats different(more gore etc,)
And some other stuff i need to compaire.

[black sheep]

Sorry to bump this one, but just because Team Carrot is "gone" you can't release anything?... I don't get it.
If you don't want to release stuff for free, I can understand that, there are always fundraisers... (not necessearily here)

In case you're looking for N64 prototype carts again (in return for releasing roms) I won't be the one to chip in this time around, I've done my part ;-)

Already replied but wanted to add that i did offer the sugestion of a fundraiser,but that was locked by a mod and now im almost never on the net and the proto closet is in lock down mode. :-)
So the release of my other protos is close to zero.

There was already a deal made for the public.The 3D version of frogger that had many if not all of the sound effects of glover 2 btw
was going to get released for the public in exchange for the miniracers cart after the dump.
The rabbit backed out and that was that.

Your lucky i even read this :-) Like i said im almost never online anymore(here or nesworld or gaming sites in general)

[Greg2600]

Thanks for releasing this!

[geluda]

Wow this game actually looks really good! Thanks for the release!

[Zoinkity]

Wanted to mention this, since it was sort of touched on before.
The Wildwaters dump is actually an overdump, and everything past 0x800000 is from another game. This is rather common, since it's impractical to completely reformat (blank) an entire eeprom cart every build.

The overdump data itself comes (presumably) from the US build of Destruction Derby 64. Image resouces match, image DLs match within reason, although there isn't a 1-1 correspondance with the order of image resources. Might be of interest to compare (the sound files appear different), but I sincerely doubt we'll see much of anything interesting. Aegh... I was honestly hoping it was another of their in-development titles ;*)
It's a close enough fit though to call it though.

[nesworld]

what about Mini Racers? .. is there any extra data? can't remember if it was resized for the release, if it was I'd be happy to supply a "raw" dump (overdump made with a gameshark).

[Zoinkity]

I don't remember there being anything interesting at the end of it. (I had a chance to poke through the raw in fact ;*)
Wish it duplicated part of the ROM at the end, but sadly didn't. There's some data lost to bitrot: part of a sound sample, part of a track, part of a car's images. Car image was easy enough to fix, and the part of the track can mostly be patched together (on the TODO list) but that sound snippet may be lost.

Pretty sure Tamiya Racing was a case of duplication. Nothing interesting at the end of it either.