Check your PSONE discs now! CORROSION issues!

[Consumed]

@tails92 - to clarify:

You stated that I was wasteful for calling consoles like the PlayStation ''disposable'' and said that people like me were the reason that ''Western society sucks'', yet in the same breath justify your reasoning for owning or purchasing a device like the 'Everdrive' - which has NO other real use than for piracy - because the cost of some of the more desirable carts is too high. Sir, you have messed up.

If throwing away an item because it no longer works is wasteful but stating that piracy is ok if you can't afford the original item then I put it to you that the reason ''Western society sucks'' is because of people like you who can't see the wrong in stealing someone's intellectual property but berate others for disposing of something that has come to the end of its natural life.

As for calling into question my maturity, I have no idea what you're trying to allude to. I didn't misunderstand your post, you misinterpreted mine hence the reason you typed 2 paragraphs of crap and I called you on it.

[Consumed]

I remember seeing black CD-R's on sale at computer fairs years ago and knew a few 'gold' sellers who used them but the quality of them was abominable, the failure rate was something like 7 out of 10 and of the 3 that worked it was hit and miss which units they worked in.

[Cyantist]

I got 250 Purple with a texture (label side only) CD-R's a few years ago dead cheap. and I still have some because they are JUNK

They refuse to work in CD players. So as Audio CD's they are wank and obviously are useless for burning games.

The failure rate is terrible. Don't use them for anything permanent. I use them for carting media to and from school and on the systems that don't have disk drives they're useless. The dye on some has leaked from the sides.

Edit: These are what the shit sacks look like avoid them at all costs:

[sneakypeanut]

i had no idea this place was se7ensis

[Consumed]

Blanks with textured tops are usually overprints of name brand faulty media. I don't know if they're still in the disc producing market but a lot of Bulk Paq orange topped DVD-R's used to be overprints of dodgy batch Data-Writes.

[Consumed]

i had no idea this place was se7ensis

Eh?

[Cyantist]

Blanks with textured tops are usually overprints of name brand faulty media. I don't know if they're still in the disc producing market but a lot of Bulk Paq orange topped DVD-R's used to be overprints of dodgy batch Data-Writes.

Ah thats probably why then. That said they were cheap enough (less than 1p per CD-R) that they do just to cart stuff to school.

[H360]

Ah thats probably why then. That said they were cheap enough (less than 1p per CD-R) that they do just to cart stuff to school.

A PlayStation 1 Disc is more stronger then a normal CD-ROM. I don't know it is 100% correct, but it feels thicker and more solid if you flex it.

[retro]

I'd never leave my discs in that state in the first place. If it's dirty, it gets cleaned straight away. If it's scratched to a problematic degree, it gets professionally skimmed.

Remembering I used to do it for a living, I've seen thousands of PSX games skimmed and they come out absolutely fine. Get it done by a professional machine - NEVER use a home polishing kit or even a cheap machine. In the UK, you can go to Gamestation, GAME or Blockbuster and they should be able to skim it for a small fee (I think it's £2).

[H360]

I'd never leave my discs in that state in the first place. If it's dirty, it gets cleaned straight away. If it's scratched to a problematic degree, it gets professionally skimmed.

Remembering I used to do it for a living, I've seen thousands of PSX games skimmed and they come out absolutely fine. Get it done by a professional machine - NEVER use a home polishing kit or even a cheap machine. In the UK, you can go to Gamestation, GAME or Blockbuster and they should be able to skim it for a small fee (I think it's £2).

I agree 100%.

I have a Game DR. and it creates 'streaks' or smears from the center out. I mainly bought it at the time to play Crash Team Racing, as my little brother scratched it on a rock when I was at school (I was 12 or so). Cost me $70 from EB Games. Works, but I would not use it on collectables. I use it for DVD's from time to time and it fixes them well.

[tails92]

Consumed, you hijacked my argument and you didn't understand it well for the second time at this point. Anyway, who the hell cares about "piracy" and infringement of "intellectual property" for decade old products? We're not talking about yesterday's games.
Oh wait, there are some people who *do* care. It's uninnovative companies which try to milk their products as long as they can.

I mean, if those companies couldn't do money when the game was commercially viable then it's their fault - the market has its successes and failures, it's the course of life. But doing money on stuff which often is not even flea market material re-releasing their stuff on their "Virtual Console"-like services, - hell, no. SMB ain't worth $5, more like $1 at the flea market

You realize that *most* people *WORK* a lot to be able to live... and those "authors" want to live a whole lifetime *without* working by sitting on their "intellectual property"? How reasonable is that!?

[retro]

Sorry tails, but your argument is complete bullshit.

Others care about piracy too - us, the collectors.

How would you like it if you owned a high-value item, then people made knock-offs available freely? Your item is suddenly worthless... and you may well lose a lot of money as a result.

As for the developers, they worked long and hard on these games. They spent a lot of money developing them. Yes, they probably recouped their costs. However, you can't say they're not working. They made the games, why shouldn't they be allowed to re-release them? Going by your argument, film studios should NEVER make DVDs of their films because they already made their money in the box office.

Piracy is piracy. You will find that people on this forum DO care. And don't forget, there are several members who work in the industry - some for big developers, others as small (even one-man) operations. They don't want to see their hard work stolen.

[H360]

Lets stay under control here.

Piracy is piracy, yes. But the games are so old now I am certain the developers do not care anymore and have made there money for there work.

If you buy a used or second hand game, it is not like the developers are getting credits :-P

My laws are different from yours, but I do not think anyone would really care if you downloaded a few games that you missed out on. Hell, I would be happy if someone downloaded a illegal copy of a game I made, so they can see my hard work and enjoy the game.

I would not however, download a game that has just been released and the developers / publishers are still making money from for there hard work.

Its a hard topic to discuss because there are so many contradictions and laws involved.

[tails92]

Sorry tails, but your argument is complete bullshit.

Others care about piracy too - us, the collectors.

How would you like it if you owned a high-value item, then people made knock-offs available freely? Your item is suddenly worthless... and you may well lose a lot of money as a result.

As for the developers, they worked long and hard on these games. They spent a lot of money developing them. Yes, they probably recouped their costs. However, you can't say they're not working. They made the games, why shouldn't they be allowed to re-release them? Going by your argument, film studios should NEVER make DVDs of their films because they already made their money in the box office.

Piracy is piracy. You will find that people on this forum DO care. And don't forget, there are several members who work in the industry - some for big developers, others as small (even one-man) operations. They don't want to see their hard work stolen.

High-valued item? I do not invest in something as frivolous as collecting video game things. I like computers, disassembling them, assembling them, developing for them, etc. but I'm not going to shell a lot of money out for collectibles. I actually use/play my stuff. I have not said that they should not be able to rerelease them, I just implied that copyright after a period of 14 years should expire, because if you didn't manage to turn a profit in that many years, well, yours was a failed venture.
And "piracy" is making authorized copies, not stealing stuff... that's what leaking is and that's very different. Leaking can be actually dangerous IMHO

And there will always be people buying games, regardless if they can be copied easily. One, instead of going to a cafè/pub/whatever to drink a cup of coffee or to drink a beer, a soda drink, etc. can go to buy it at the department stores, and get it for much less. Then why do people go to those places? I must tell, it isn't about the items sold there.
There is an attractive. That's what must be created / be had, without relying on law-protected draconian business models.

Civilization wouldn't vanish if copyright were to be abolished tomorrow, maybe it would even flourish.

[fasman]

Can a mod please clean up this thread it had some useful information in it , but its just turned into a trash talking thread?

PS Haunted360 please stop trying to act like you want to keep things on topic, from what I understand you're just poured fuel on the fire.

[H360]

Can a mod please clean up this thread it had some useful information in it , but its just turned into a trash talking thread?

PS Haunted360 please stop trying to act like you want to keep things on topic, from what I understand you're just poured fuel on the fire.

:-( The thing is, I tried, and it went back off... Dont blame me for this.

Besides, they are posting relative information. Just not in the correct topic.

[randyrandall]

I have an audio CD that has the black coating the bottom (The first White Lies album).

Is there a concrete reason as to why Sony used a black covering on the bottom of their games? There seems to be no definite answer.

How would you guys advise to clean Psone discs to attempt to avoid this 'corrosion'?

[fasman]

I have an audio CD that has the black coating the bottom (The first White Lies album).

Is there a concrete reason as to why Sony used a black covering on the bottom of their games? There seems to be no definite answer.

How would you guys advise to clean Psone discs to attempt to avoid this 'corrosion'?

Maybe a plastic safe wax polish could do the trick , that should stop dirt, oil from corroding the plastic,as wax should form a protective barrier between the dirt/oil and the disc, but its just an idea.

PS you get black discs for a lot of things,I've seen it used for promotional discs,a driver disc for my wifi dongle, as well as the audio CD that you get with Bioshock 2 Limited edition is allso black(to make it look like a old LP), its only blue die that they add when making the discs so any of the CD pressing factories can make them.

Edit: spelling fixed

[H360]

Maybe a plastic safe wax polish could do the trick , that should stop dirt, oil from corroding the plastic,as wax should form a protective barrier between the dirt/oil and the disc, but its just an idea.

PS you get black discs for a lot of things,I've seen it used for promotional discs,a driver disc for my wifi dongle, as well as the audio CD that you get with Bioshock 2 Limited edition is allso black(to make it look like a old LP), its only blue die that they add when making the discs so any of the CD pressing factories can make them.

Edit: spelling fixed

Yea, but ASSEMbler showed us a BRAND NEW out of the packaging PS disc and it still had it. It has nothing to do with the fingerprints or dirt...

Unless, he had already opened it and said it was new when it was already played or something????

[fasman]

A good wax will prevent any atmospheric corrosion that could occur, in the same way as I stated above, as long as the disc isnt already damaged.

By the way has any one checked to see if climate has an effect on the discs?