Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

[LeGIt]

SOLD THE SYSTEM DISC 2
AND THE OTHER BITS TO GO WITH IT.

That is good news bUT did you mark the reproductions as reproductions? The last thing we need is another seller 10 years time passing them off as the real deal.

Also your XeDK requires the listing fee be to be paid as per the subrules here: http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ad.php?t=29368

Lastly, out of interest why are you selling up? I sold everything I own to pay the bills of things, then the stuff I bought got stolen, which sucked even more.

[Alchy]

So you were selling duplicates of the Shenmue beta on ebay (your ebay history confirmed it) and not indicating that they were copies? That's basically what I asked you at the time, and as I recall you denied it.

Dubious IMO, and at the least, worthy of an explanation.

Will you PLEASE answer this question. Right now it looks like you're a scammer avoiding the question, and that conflicts with people's reported dealings with you here. The mods have so far been extremely lenient about you selling what are, to my mind, pretty blatant fakes. I'm not sure why you get special treatment where anyone else would and should be hounded out of the forum for reproducing betas and not marking them as such.

[raylyd]

Look i am not a scammer i just getting rid of stuff i dont use i may even sell my whole dreamcast collection i am unsure yet be thinking so.
AS for the fee LeGit the main admin i have already PMED
ASSEMBLER AND SAYED TO PAY IT ONCE IT SOLD PLEASE PM HIM YOUR SELF.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW CAN GD-RS BE FAKE.
AS THERE ALL ARE ON GD-RS.
i have been great on here helping every one out

[sneakypeanut]

:/ Ray chill man < you made pikachu sad :'(

[raylyd]

I will chill

[LeGIt]

raylyd by fake they mean burned by yourself not by a developer. By yourself constitutes reproduction or fake hence they need to be scribbled on (even raylyd in giant letters) so they wont be passed off as developer originals in the future.

[Xeauron]

I'd just like to interject that I bought a Saturn off Ray in the last few weeks and he's been articulate, prompt and helpful. He's even gone the extra mile to assist me with issues I've been having with said equipment.

This gentleman is certainly NOT a scammer, if there's a problem with listings I'm sure it's a misunderstanding.

I would certainly buy off him again in a heart beat.

If I only had the money I'd be biting your hand off for that Amiga! :nod:

[Alchy]

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW CAN GD-RS BE FAKE.

When you duplicate originals by yourself. It's pretty fucking simple, you're not an idiot and I know you appreciate the difference. There are two very angry ebay buyers who bought that Shenmue beta off you and they certainly knew the difference once they figured out what you were doing. That you would come here and now sell more without making it clear to buyers is an outrageous breach of trust.

[ASSEMbler]

I think we should leave it be, if you have something to say make a thread in feedback or elsewhere, NOT in the man's sale thread.

[ShovelThumb]

When you duplicate originals by yourself. It's pretty fucking simple, you're not an idiot and I know you appreciate the difference. There are two very angry ebay buyers who bought that Shenmue beta off you and they certainly knew the difference once they figured out what you were doing. That you would come here and now sell more without making it clear to buyers is an outrageous breach of trust.

Indeed what a joke let's just all copy our betas and resell them over and over to pay the rent.
Agree with Alchy here.

[Alchy]

I think we should leave it be, if you have something to say make a thread in feedback or elsewhere, NOT in the man's sale thread.

On the contrary, this is exactly where it should be made, to begin with at least. You're the admin of this site and you're sitting back and watching whilst someone duplicates a beta on authentic media and sells them wholesale as genuine? What the fuck? You're telling me that I have to make an entirely new thread over this concern?

I've been in contact with raylyd via PM to try and straighten this issue out and he's failed to explain it there either. I would've thought that it was very obviously unacceptable to sell unmarked repro GDR copies of betas here, and also unacceptable to have a current member here do so on ebay. If you won't listen to me at least listen to your staff, LeGit appears to understand what's going on.

[LeGIt]

Alchy ASSEMbler gets it too I think, he isn't sayng he condones it (and raylyd doesn't clearly answer it - he still didn't confirm Hellgate or Sonic E3 as repro yet they clearly are nor has he accepted to deface them), ASSEMbler is saying don't do it in the sale thread, so I've moved the whopping 29 posts out to a new thread.

I think if raylyd just answered the question directly from the beginning and dealt with it right away though his sales thread would not have gotten out of hand and it would have been appropriate though but we still need to know some things:

In addition to the extra Shenmue set, Hellgate and Sonic Adventure E3 demos are reproductions/fakes/burned by you raylyd, yes?

If so the discs will need to be defaced/marked so they are easily spotted as reproductons in future.

If you can write raylyd, reproduction or even raylyd reproduction in giant letters on the reproduction/fake/home burned GD-R that would be excellent. If not, please destroy them or withdraw them from sale/trade etc and sell the original Shenmue discs + SYSTSEM-DISC 2 only.

If you refuse to do any of these things, a ban may be in order, though as you're selling up you may not be that bothered about it.

[derekb]

< wasnt aware there was a shenmue beta, details?

[thelastuser]

< wasnt aware there was a shenmue beta, details?

seems the details are it was obtained, dumped, burned then sold as original for $$$ XD

Also posting these concerns elsewhere only helps to further such shady business.

Obviously the same handwriting throughout coupled with avoidance of the question... well that just speaks for itself.

[LeGIt]

raylyd answered via pm, but still hasn't said if he will deface or destroy the replicas yet. I think he genuinely believes there is nothing wrong as to him a GD-R is a GD-R and there is no distinction from home or developer burn. Sadly if the Shenmue betas sold on eBay were home burned replicas and not developer originals, the buyers were right to be angry and claim.

ok mate been on this site for years so i understand the site rules.
Hell gate burned by my self via the gd-writer
as it was from the dev kit sonic e3 burned by my self via the gd-writer
shenmue beta one set got from jaystimth2000
other shenmue beta is the same just a backup of it
like i said the guys on here where only paying for the system disc 2 plus the jaysmtih2000 shenmue beta
as the other where free gift.
thats about as much as i can explin my self mate.
All the best.:thumbsup:

That clears that part of the issue up.

The other part of the issue, the games raylyd burned himself (Shenmue backup, Hellgate and sonic e3) will need to be marked so people know they were burned by raylyd and not by a developer.

They need to be marked on the disc label to make it clear if people try to resell in future, they were home burned, not developer burned which will affect the resale price significantly (as they will have no value and be banned from sale)

Now hoepefully the issue is clearer, will you mark the backups / home burns / reproductions /fakes with raylyd in giant letters all over the discs so they are not resold as genuine in future, raylyd?

[thelastuser]

raylyd answered via pm

The fact that he didn't want to answer this question in the sales thread only helps to support what any reasonable person would perceive as deceit.

he genuinely believes there is nothing wrong as to him a GD-R is a GD-R and there is no distinction from home or developer burn.

More commonly known as "playing stupid" or "playing dumb".. by the sheer fact he plays dumb after dogging the questions makes it pretty unbelievable.

[Alchy]

I don't believe for a second that raylyd doesn't understand that what he's done is morally wrong. Every regular poster on this forum understands the simple premise that making pirate copies of a game and then selling them is not allowed here - and that goes doubly for betas. What does genuinely puzzle me is that he thought he could get away with posting it here (amazingly, when he first admitted to this he was trying to figure out a way of preventing one of his buyers reclaiming their money back from PayPal - can't say I blame them).

You sold two copies of this on ebay for £500 a pop and then you come here and try to rip us off too? Shameful.

[thelastuser]

You sold two copies of this on ebay for £500 a pop and then you come here and try to rip us off too? Shameful.

And complained of the buyer trying to rip him off,....

It IS A CONSCIENCE DECISION when one: obtains beta discs>obtains blank media>obtains a burner for said media>pulls out the sharpie and writes dates that are not todays but are of days past>PROFIT

yea sounds TOTALLY legit to me.


To believe or portray any other intent with the given facts would make one seem to be totally ignorant or a possible co-conspirator in the scheme.

[sneakypeanut]

I don't believe for a second that raylyd doesn't understand that what he's done is morally wrong.

I hope ray doesn't mind me saying but i think his condition my effect this judgment. but still its a bit silly listing backups and not mentioning it so im gonna ask him bluntly. Ray are the shemue Disks Backups you have made or are they origernals?

[thelastuser]

...

he'll probably pm you the answer :lol: