Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

[Consumed]

Posted by Cyantist:

There is a difference between repairing consoles and understanding morals.

Yes, there is a huge difference but what I was calling into question was his intelligence. Or supposed lack thereof. Some on here have intimated that he's not the smartest cookie but if he's bright enough to do the intricate work he does repairing electronics surely he's bright enough to know what's right and what's wrong. He was also savvy enough to know exactly how much to charge for his wares and to be able to dodge his responsibility to refund or make good his ill deeds.

Posted by retro:

Talking of grammar, here's an important one - double negatives. You just used one, and in doing so you suggested that you hope he gets a desire to rape.

Correction, I used two negatives in the same sentence, not a double negative, there is a difference. Don't try and get me into a discussion on semantics, you won't win.

Posted by retro:

Plus, as LeGIt said, that term is offensive and you should not use it. Now who's being really, really uncool?

My apologies. I come from a time before everyone was 'differently abled' and words like mongoloid and spastic were in common parlance. These words were in everyday usage for decades and weren't considered offensive until some bleeding heart came along and decided that because these monikers made them feel embarrassed and uncomfortable being around people with disability that we all should, thus culminating in the stinking shitfest of a library of terms we have now. So before you start bleating about me using an 'offensive' term remember one thing, I didn't make the term offensive, supposed polite society did.

[LeGIt]

Yes, there is a huge difference but what I was calling into question was his intelligence. Or supposed lack thereof. Some on here have intimated that he's not the smartest cookie but if he's bright enough to do the intricate work he does repairing electronics surely he's bright enough to know what's right and what's wrong. He was also savvy enough to know exactly how much to charge for his wares and to be able to dodge his responsibility to refund or make good his ill deeds.

Sadly it doesn't work like that. Whilst that logic may be true for most people, there is more than one area of intelligence and the assumption everyone is well rounded is an incorrect one.

As some examples Kim Peek could recall whatever he read, but other than that his IQ was below average, partly becaues he barely understood the information in his head. If you watch Rain Man, Raymond Babbit is good at remembering, mathematics and counting cards etc but crap at everything else. If you watch The Lawnmower Man, Jobe Smith could build his own Big Red but not much more than that.

Someone such as raylyd can be good on a technical level but utterly crap at everything else too so the assumption that he is smart enough to fix stuff thus can do other stuff is resonable when applied for most people (even me as I am higher functioning), but unreasonable when applied to raylyd.

[sneakypeanut]

il back legit up this, same with me im uter crap at language and social concepts, but i talk about xboxes all day and have technical skills alot of my peers dont have, asd and autism is a blessing and a curse in 1, 1 u never have any friends but on the plus side your good at obscure stuff and research usually, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOEy7hzFHPA proof in point

[thelastuser]

Anyone still trying to defend his actions needs to go dig into it some more.

Go find 3-4 others that have been diagnosed with the same, he seems to be some magical case where it makes him a habitual liar and a fraud.

It's been clearly pointed out by one of the guys that paid 600euro that raylyd lied, and he did so only to misrepresent the disc as original cause who the fuck would pay 600euro for a copy!!!! It's clear raylyd knew EXACTLY what he was doing and even did so multiple times.

The more you blame it on ASD the more you take away from every other person living with the same.

Anyone making a business of fucking other people over is going to feel "socially awkward" that's part of being human and is part of having a conscience, call it ASD if you want.

Thing is if these actions are really a consequence of a real condition well you need a full on internet ban for your own safety. Don't know how your local folk act when being taken to the cleaners for weeks worth of pay but around here you WILL end up with people at your doorstep, and they'd be wanting more than their money back.

Also please note the a couple of those defending his "condition" to the end seem to be about the same age as raylyd and are local to him. (you shouldn't have to do much reading between the lines to figure that one out)

[LeGIt]

thelastuser I'm not defending his actions, I'm not the same age (a decade over) and I live nowhere near him.

raylyd's problems, well he has ASD yes, but it is a broad term which covers a lot of ground and affects different people in different ways.

raylyd is not on the higher functioning/Aspergers end with above average intelligence, he is much closer to the classic Autism side.

[thelastuser]

thelastuser I'm not defending his actions, I'm not the same age (a decade over) and I live nowhere near him.

That comment was in no way directed at you, as site staff I feel you have acted appropriate with regards to the situation.

[sneakypeanut]

why hey there :P i know you love me really :O

[arnoldlayne]

My 2 cents (for what it's worth...)

Legit seems to be reasonably upset about this whole situation (indeed, it was him who brought this to light in the first place... just about - I know others were pissed at the eBay sales as well, earlier)

Anyhow - the original thread went somewhere along the lines of Legit saying "dude can you deface the discs" He must have asked this question about ten or twenty times and Raylyd never once actually answered him directly. I mean not even once.

But still Legit seems upset about it all and just keeps on asking the question "Dude will you deface the discs, etc".

I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to establish that Legit doesn't really want to ban Raylyd at all. Let's be honest here...

I am genuinely surprised at how this entire episode has dragged on (11 pages?!) If Legit had stuck to his guns, after the second or third time of asking he'd have simply banned him and that would've been the end of it. But he didn't (see point above - I don't think he really wants to)

Now - all this talk of "he has some sort of illness, autistic people have different types of illnesses, blah, blah" Honestly, I don't think you'd find a lawyer in the land who'd accept that person x can register an account on eBay, obtain a beta of a popular game AND the know how AND tools to burn off a copy and then claim "they didn't know they were doing wrong!". Of course, if said lawyer does exist then I'll eat humble pie, but I doubt it.

He knew he was doing wrong, touting a beta as a 'beta' when he could (and did) burn off as many copies as he so desired. His only mistake, it would seem, was getting caught... and boy did he walk into it.

Personally, I wouldn't ban anyone - I wouldn't tell him to scribble on discs either. I'd just close this thread and let bygones be bygones. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and the cash to buy a Shenmue beta will know what's going on by now.

Banning him solves nothing, he's a contributing member of the forum who saw a quick way to make a buck, he slipped up - we all make mistakes. Tell him he can stick around but warn him not pull the same stunt again, end of story.

2 cents over.. (no, I don't give refunds :) )

EDIT:: In case anyone's wondering - I wouldn't ask him to write on the discs for the rather obvious reason that he could write on ANY blank GDR. A photo of the discs written on would prove absolutely nothing.

SUPER EDIT:: To those of you, perhaps, upset that you paid a forkful for 'copies' of the GDR's - Take solace in the the fact that if you had found someone with the discs and the ability to burn you a copy (not common, at all) you'd probably still end up paying an arm and a leg for the copies anyway. Maybe not 500 euro's but probably not far off, at a guess. I'm not condoning his actions (at all) but I'm just saying it's not all bad...

[Trenton_net]

Raylyd's problems are his own problems. This isn't an ADS support group. This is a forum, provided for free as a privilege by ASSEMbler and all the member who donate to keep it up and running. Access to this place isn't a right; This isn't health care. If Raylyd is unable to conduct himself in a manner consistent with the forums rules and values, then there is nothing else to be said. BANNED.

If I was a moderator, he would have been banned for this from the start. If not right away, after the parties in question were compensated for their loss (Like in Borman's case).

[Borman]

Careful with this Raylyd. He's a scammer. Now I have the game and the money. I was thinking on bring this game back to this guy but now, looking that link, I'll keep it with me to release it

Just throwing to focus on this for a minute, whomever dumped it should get in some sort of trouble to, as they are a scammer themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc

[Buyatari]

Raylyd's problems are his own problems. This isn't an ADS support group. This is a forum, provided for free as a privilege by ASSEMbler and all the member who donate to keep it up and running. Access to this place isn't a right; This isn't health care. If Raylyd is unable to conduct himself in a manner consistent with the forums rules and values, then there is nothing else to be said. BANNED.

If I was a moderator, he would have been banned for this from the start. If not right away, after the parties in question were compensated for their loss (Like in Borman's case).

The problem is banning doesn't really work so well with people of less than average understanding of morals. On other forums I have been at they just they open another account.

With limited rights and a ban on selling at least we know where he is and have tabs on him.
Sure he could run two accounts at once but that is harder to do without screwing up and giving yourself away.

Understanding of morals or not I think it is safe to say that he was of a high enough intelligence to know the value of a copy versus an original. He also knew people would pay more for an original and when this whole thing went down with the eBay sales that should have made it clear to him if it already wasn't.

[thelastuser]

Just throwing to focus on this for a minute, whomever dumped it should get in some sort of trouble to, as they are a scammer themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc

In this case though it was some clear damage control, buyers got mad it was being duplicated and lied about at the great expense to those seeking to obtain it.

An eye for an eye doesn't necessarily make us all blind, sometimes it stops the first eye gouger from doing it again, and makes the blind feel better.

Can't say I blame the guy one bit, sure he got his money back but that doesn't erase the shit experience and waste of time raylyd put him through. And it don't make up for the lack of sleep and stress of the situation one bit.

I think he's lucky that's all that happened, people willing to spend that much money on a disc might just spend that much or more to meet the guy in person, and if he's living with his parents.... well what he is doing is not fair to them at all and if they knew surely raylyd's internet access would be gone, if not for his sake then for their own.

[Trenton_net]

The problem is banning doesn't really work so well with people of less than average understanding of morals. On other forums I have been at they just they open another account.

With limited rights and a ban on selling at least we know where he is and have tabs on him.
Sure he could run two accounts at once but that is harder to do without screwing up and giving yourself away.

Understanding of morals or not I think it is safe to say that he was of a high enough intelligence to know the value of a copy versus an original. He also knew people would pay more for an original and when this whole thing went down with the eBay sales that should have made it clear to him if it already wasn't.

Some valid points for sure. However, I suppose you can say I take the stance of: In both cases his recourse is the same. That is, renew/proxy your IP Address, create a fake email, and join up again. Diminished in mental capacity or not, any scammer will try and do this. It is our job to be vigilant and make it as difficult and frustrating as possible to do so. A partial ban doesn't reduce his options for making a fake account, so if he's really smart enough to get around the security and make fake accounts, he's smart enough to be banned for willfully and intentionally scamming people like any other scammer. Of which, we would actively seek out and ban at first sight anyway.

[Buyatari]

Some valid points for sure. However, I suppose you can say I take the stance of: In both cases his recourse is the same. That is, renew/proxy your IP Address, create a fake email, and join up again. Diminished in mental capacity or not, any scammer will try and do this. It is our job to be vigilant and make it as difficult and frustrating as possible to do so. A partial ban doesn't reduce his options for making a fake account, so if he's really smart enough to get around the security and make fake accounts, he's smart enough to be banned for willfully and intentionally scamming people like any other scammer. Of which, we would actively seek out and ban at first sight anyway.

If he will cheat the system to sell I'd rather have a better chance of catching him. Not posting in your own threads and switiching IPs every time you log in and out, and remembering which account had which conversation with which person isn't just about intelligence that is hard for anyone to maintain.

If he doesn't sell I don't care that he posts. No harm there as long as he carries a big warning flag. In the footer of every post and every PM "I SOLD FAKE BETAS FOR $500" with a hyperlink to this thread.

[thelastuser]

Buyer said 600euro

600.00 EUR = 861.718 USD

[bobzee]

Interesting read here:
http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/vie...hp?f=3&t=41786

Raylyd = Ray lied

The answer was in his name the whole time.

Made me lol

[Buyatari]

Just throwing to focus on this for a minute, whomever dumped it should get in some sort of trouble to, as they are a scammer themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc

I get what you are saying but he just a kept a copy right? What is that worth, $5?

What would you do send it back so he can resell it to someone else?

When someone tries to spend a fake $100 bill even if they are not arrested they keep that fake to get it out of circulation. Have all fakes been marked fake now. Well with the dump I guess it doesn't matter as much.

When I had a legit copy of Shenmue it came with a passport disc that hasn't been duplicated in these cases. You can see it differs from the other segas discs in this picture from 2006. It also came with a ton of paperwork a dedicated folder and Sega timeline poster. If someone has all of those things the prototype still has value IMHO.

[Fenix]

1st I'd like to say hello to the community,


And now, the most important part.

I'm Fenix from Shenmuedojo. The one who get one of these "betas". Kensaiken was the guy who bought it for me (I payed him first to get it).

What I want to say first, and, for me, the most important is I NEVER and repeat, NEVER DUMPED THIS BETA 'CAUSE I RECEIVED A FULL REFUND OF THE MONEY.
I had some words with Shendream even before having or not the money back so this release would be here with or without the refund from Paypal.
Just saying that because I'm reading some "intelligent" comments from some users of your community.

I also have to say that my 1st intention was to speak with Raylyd and I even talked to him trying to send him back the beta (paying the shipment AGAIN and losing MY MONEY) via Messenger but the only response I received was "I deleted my account" or something like that and next, a forever shutdown status from his Messenger (obviously, I was deleted).

After this (Kensaiken and me), we sent a reclamation to Paypal and I inmediatly talked to Shendream to release it. Not for revenge or any kind of shit you can think about me (witch I absolutely don't care). I took this decision because I didn't want to see more "fake betas" in ebay at unthinkable prices and I consider a very bad thing the use of the passionated Shenmue fans to make easy money or pofits selling something called BETA when it's just a copy of this.

For me, it's the same if you guys sell a Van Gogh's copy as a real one and you sell it at same price. This is called SCAM.

The problem of all this shit was not the price. I can pay 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 betas like this. But if you want to sell it to me, you first have to tell it's a COPY from the original one and then, knowing all points I'll say "I accept" or "I dont" but it is not fair to sell it as "shenmue beta".

And finally I'll say one last thing. If Kensaiken is ok (he put a little amount of money for the shipments of the beta) and Raylyd try to contact us, I personally have NO PROBLEMS to return it but this time, I won't be ok to pay the shipment as I was the first time I spoke with him. Obviously, Kensaiken does not think like me. He say that if we return these discs back, we'll see them again in Ebay...

PS: I voted "NO" to his ban. As I know, Raylyd is somebody who did a lot to your community and one bad thing from him shouldn't kill all the good actions he made for Assemblergames.

Nothing more to say. Have all of you a nice day.

Fenix.

[derekb]

So..... did you send your copy to Shendream to dump?

[Annoying_one]

You don't get preservation from burning GD-R onto GD-R nor NR onto NR. Burning an old beta onto old media is still going to fail at around the same time because they are around the same age.

The only way that plan would work if you're burning an old beta onto new media, which won't happen given as GD-R and NR have been out of production for some time.

Even when you back up a CD-R contents onto another CD-R, you don't back it up to an old CD-R, that would be pointless as it would probably be close to death regardless - you do it to a brand new CD-R.

Your plan helps no one but the scammers etc.

my plan doesnt help scammers becuase if you remove the profit from selling burnable media the profit of replicating is so minimal. so it wouldnt help scammers. it helps create a digital backup. it also gets rid of children with deep pockets who treat the consoles as a retirement fund instead of a console to enjoy.

we shouldnt be buying multi hundred dollar dvdr/cdr. if we do we have to accept that what we buy could be burnt last week. not burnt 10 years ago.
its still a burnt copy