Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

[Borman]

I get what you are saying but he just a kept a copy right? What is that worth, $5?

What would you do send it back so he can resell it to someone else?

When someone tries to spend a fake $100 bill even if they are not arrested they keep that fake to get it out of circulation. Have all fakes been marked fake now. Well with the dump I guess it doesn't matter as much.

When I had a legit copy of Shenmue it came with a passport disc that hasn't been duplicated in these cases. You can see it differs from the other segas discs in this picture from 2006. It also came with a ton of paperwork a dedicated folder and Sega timeline poster. If someone has all of those things the prototype still has value IMHO.

I know the fact that they are copies hurts him, but the data is out there, something that had no right to be out there. I know I would be pissed if I sent someone something, copy or not, and not only did they get to keep the disk, but they got their money back AND released the disk. I dont want Raylyd winning in this case either, but going and dumping the disk, after not sending them back, copies or not, isn't right either. Maybe its just me. Again, two wrongs not righting anything.

Im not denying that everyone who bought a copy got scammed, they did. But they can't claim the moral high ground by getting everything they put into it back, and then some.

[dreamcast_zone]

So..... did you send your copy to Shendream to dump?

yes he did --> http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/vie...rt=105#p915548

Shendreams is working on it.

[arnoldlayne]

"I know the fact that they are copies hurts him, but the data is out there, something that had no right to be out there."

To quote Borman.

Not wanting to make enemies here but do you personally own the rights to the beta's and unreleased games you own? I see no difference here... Truth is, nobody except Sega has the right to release a beta of Shenmue, end of story. Anyone in possession of a beta copy is infact in possession of something they probably shouldn't own in the first place - with few exceptions.

The fact that someone took an 11 year old disc of a game made for a dead platform and released it is, I would say, a result!

I could go on to say "I wish there were more like him..." but the truth is there are lots of people like him and the free sharing of old betas is getting better and better each and every year :)

[Annoying_one]

arnoldlayne

well said

[subbie]

my plan doesnt help scammers becuase if you remove the profit from selling burnable media the profit of replicating is so minimal. so it wouldnt help scammers. it helps create a digital backup. it also gets rid of children with deep pockets who treat the consoles as a retirement fund instead of a console to enjoy.

we shouldnt be buying multi hundred dollar dvdr/cdr. if we do we have to accept that what we buy could be burnt last week. not burnt 10 years ago.
its still a burnt copy

Preservation starts with wanting to know how to burn commercial games onto NRs... Right? :rolleyes:

[Annoying_one]

lets attack werejag to try to deflect the real subject


its cool a moderator now attacks. i expect some childish behavor on staff part to followed by my ban.

[APE]

lets attack werejag to try to deflect the real subject

Ooo ooo can I join in too?

Yo momma something something....

Hypothetically speaking, no the data on the GD-R had no right to be in public given it is inherently a copyright infringment. However, who cares?

The Dreamcast is dead, SEGA kicks the Shenmue franchise around like a soccer ball made by dung beetles and the discs themselves probably weren't even allowed to leave the development studio in the first place.

Not that any of it makes it legally OK. Morally though I can't really work up a sweat.

[Buyatari]

lets attack werejag to try to deflect the real subject


its cool a moderator now attacks. i expect some childish behavor on staff part to followed by my ban.

Real simple, stay on topic.

If you don't want to be treated as a troll don't act like one.

If you want to talk about how it is all about the proto horder vs the real gamers go find one of the other threads that have already talked it to death X2 and post there.

[Annoying_one]

i am on topic.

thank you for the tips

[Borman]

"I know the fact that they are copies hurts him, but the data is out there, something that had no right to be out there."

To quote Borman.

Not wanting to make enemies here but do you personally own the rights to the beta's and unreleased games you own? I see no difference here... Truth is, nobody except Sega has the right to release a beta of Shenmue, end of story. Anyone in possession of a beta copy is infact in possession of something they probably shouldn't own in the first place - with few exceptions.

The fact that someone took an 11 year old disc of a game made for a dead platform and released it is, I would say, a result!

I could go on to say "I wish there were more like him..." but the truth is there are lots of people like him and the free sharing of old betas is getting better and better each and every year :)

Of course theres the fact that we shouldnt own any of this. I just know that I shouldn't have to live in fear that someone down the line is just going to file a chargeback and get the item and data, along with the money, leaving me out of everything. To me, yeah, buying the disks could be considered theft if you factor in that its Segas property. But adding upon that doesn't help either.

Personally, I think the data is worth something, whether or not people agree or not. Those that don't shouldnt buy it in the first place, and those that feel the same way will. At this point, paying as a gift to Paypal is about the only way I can assure myself that I won't get scammed myself.

[derekb]

yes he did --> http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/vie...rt=105#p915548

if he did send his copy to shendream then his I NEVER DUMPED IT I GOT A REFUND defense is pretty invalid

[Cyantist]

my plan doesnt help scammers becuase if you remove the profit from selling burnable media the profit of replicating is so minimal. so it wouldnt help scammers. it helps create a digital backup. it also gets rid of children with deep pockets who treat the consoles as a retirement fund instead of a console to enjoy.

we shouldnt be buying multi hundred dollar dvdr/cdr. if we do we have to accept that what we buy could be burnt last week. not burnt 10 years ago.
its still a burnt copy

Communistic ideals are nice but not feasible at all. Beta's aren't all that easy to get and are effectively stolen goods . You also have to take into account against your points that not all beta's come on CD'rs burnt years ago.

[Annoying_one]

Communistic ideals are nice but not feasible at all. Beta's aren't all that easy to get and are effectively stolen goods . You also have to take into account against your points that not all beta's come on CD'rs burnt years ago.

dont see it as communism at all but i can see how it can be seen that way. very good point you had Cyantist on the non burnt discs which we wasnt discusing thou.

[derekb]

This thread has definitely become very circular in the discussions about what happened, and the vote is clearly at the point that it is unlikely to swing the other way

[LeGIt]

This thread has definitely become very circular in the discussions about what happened, and the vote is clearly at the point that it is unlikely to swing the other way

Many people who voted yes voted for maketplace ban only (not many options)

[gelberhase]

^true.
at least I did...Maybe a new Vote with more Options should be started?

[Trenton_net]

Actually I think only like 2-4 people explicitly said they wanted a marketplace ban. I wasn't one of them though. A moderator simply needs to decide which ban to apply and do it.

[ASSEMbler]

I think he has ethics issues and might not grasp them fully until now.

Really his reputation is negative at this point and no one in their right mind would buy a beta from him.

[Buyatari]

I think he has ethics issues and might not grasp them fully until now.

Really his reputation is negative at this point and no one in their right mind would buy a beta from him.

BS.

Him selling the discs as it was being discussed was what elevated this to where it is now.

Plus not everyone has seen the thread or will see the thread. 6 months or a year later his profile needs to be marked like a bootleg CDr needs to be marked. All that needs to be done is to mark is footer or give him a special avatar like you did with the site donors.

He needs a punishment that protects other users and makes others think twice. If you really want to hide behind a "I didn't know any better excuse" then so be it. You don't know any better so you can never sell on these forums or advertise anything you are selling elsewhere ever. Be careful what you wish for as you just might get it.

[sneakypeanut]

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ad.php?t=33068

I apologize i realize what i did was wrong.
I made no money.

I would never do this again

I need voluntarily give up MY marketplace rights I give it up until I can regain trust.

That you will not sell any more betas when allowed back, and only sell normal retail items:pray::gravedigging::cur_sonic:


I am Reilly sorry