Sony loses a cause over Other OS in finland

[karsten]

Could mean nothing or a lot. still it's been acknowledged that sony crippled the console's features damaging its buyer.

100E might not be that much but thing of how many Fat PS3 are out there! 0_0

There Sony LOST in the Other OS removal battle!

Now it is only a ruling by a Consumer's Board but still the man is now able to use it in court if Sony does not cough up the 100 euros that the board ruled he should get because he lost his Linux ability after updating to play a newer game that he recently purchased!



Quote:
The man at the center of the case in Finland, which was brought to the Consumer Complaints Board, lost the ability to use an alternative operating system after an update was installed from a new game. He was seeking €150 in damages for the removal of the OtherOS feature.

The CCB said that the removal of OtherOS crippled console features that were present at the time of purchase, and agreed that consumers should be compensated. It recommended that the manufacturer and seller of the console pay €100 jointly to compensate the man.

The CCB does not have the power to enforce its ruling, but the opinion of the CCB in Finland is considered by the courts in a dispute.
Now it does not sound like much, but it shows ONE MAN can stay up and get an ruling, and maybe if everyone flooded all their local Consumer's Boards in their area of the world with complaints it would make a change to the whole corporate mindset that you no longer own the machine and they can remove features at anytime they wish in the future after you paid money originally for those features.

News Source: Sony should pay €100 to man for OtherOS removal, consumer board says - AfterDawn

Original News From Finland: Riita 268,90

[APE]

Just saw that myself.

Apparently Sony thinks that as long as someone agrees to a EULA they can sign away every law applicable as well as their own personal human rights. Whats that? Laws trump all rule of the land?

[Shadowlayer]

Did the PS3 receive that euro tax break for PCs like the PS2 did?

Because it that case that $100 per unit is money going back to the people...

[Vosse]

Just saw that myself.

Apparently Sony thinks that as long as someone agrees to a EULA they can sign away every law applicable as well as their own personal human rights. Whats that? Laws trump all rule of the land?

Corporations will think of any and all legal loopholes possible to protect their own asses. They don't really give a fuck about the Consumer/Customer.

[Taucias]

Did the PS3 receive that euro tax break for PCs like the PS2 did?

Because it that case that $100 per unit is money going back to the people...

Nope. It's a myth. Sony tried it with the PS2, but it failed to get the PS2 classified as a computer. No tax break. They even took it to the court of appeal, but it was rejected. Supposedly that is why the European PS2s have a version of BASIC (YABASIC) included on the demo disc it comes with.

The PS3 was not submitted for classification in the same way.

The Other OS/Linux feature was supposedly added to try to prevent (ironically) the hobbiest hacking computer from adding Linux to the machine.

[subbie]

This ruling is good but the whole thing leaves me so mixed. Because of all this mess I question if we will ever see a system this open again (baring homebrew created/focused systems like GP32/Pandora like systems). =(

[angelwolf71885]

sony hasn't lost otherOS lawsuits unless they are forced to restore otherOS support and add it into the slim models

[A. Snow]

There is no case to force Sony into adding the Other OS feature to the PS3 Slim. If there ever was a ruling it would only apply to older models that it was removed from to begin with.

[angelwolf71885]

There is no case to force Sony into adding the Other OS feature to the PS3 Slim. If there ever was a ruling it would only apply to older models that it was removed from to begin with.

i know.. but i wont be happy until sony is forced to do so
linux should of never been removed in the first place when they didn't include it in the slims

keep in mind that the slim and fat ps3s uses the exact same FW file
and linux was first removed from the slims

the second removal came from geohotz glitch of otherOS for homebrew

[SilverBull]

linux should of never been removed in the first place

Agreed.

keep in mind that the slim and fat ps3s uses the exact same FW file

Doesn't matter. Newer mainboards have slightly different hardware, and the firmware has just been extended to handle it.

Remember fail0verflow's demonstration from 27C3? They showed a slim PS3 with Linux instead of GameOS, but no video out (and said in the video they had no clue why it didn't work). Turned out later that they had flashed a firmware that was too old for console. It could bring up the Cell and boot, but the graphics drivers in the Hypervisor didn't manage to initialize the RSX.

and linux was first removed from the slims

Nope, it was not. They cannot remove something that had never been included. It is another question whether the hardware would have been theoretically capable of supporting it, though (and we know the answer).

the second removal came from geohotz glitch of otherOS for homebrew

Pretty hilarious engineering fail. Didn't Geohot describe what needed to be changed in the Hypervisor to prevent this hack from working?

Playing devil's advocate (this is not targetted at anybody specific in this thread)...

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I never understood why anybody would think they had a right to use Linux on the slim. OtherOS' inclusion in the fat PS3 models was an attempt at preventing (or merely just delaying) the hacking community from cracking the security system; and it has been extremely successful at that.
However, the slim is a different story; it is different hardware that is clearly distinguishable from the fat model. It does what its name implies: playing PS3 games. If a consumer wants everything else, it cannot be helped that they need to pay attention to the fine print on the box.

What comes next? Forcing TV manufacturers to include software features of high-priced models into the low-end ones, just because they happen to use the same SOC? The consumer has an alternative, so let the free market decide which product is the best...

</RANT>

[Temporarily out of irony tags]