Sega Saturn DEV HARDWARE

[WarHampster]

I have a mirage and modified retail Saturn, but not, unfortunately, the VCD cable, which is custom and apparently really hard to come by.

[retro]

No, not really hard - impossible ;-) heh

[segaloco]

To make sure I understand correctly, anything CartDev = Cross = Sega. Anything PsyQ = SN = Psygnosis. Correct? Then there's these units: http://nfggames.com/grafx/saturnac.htm (Do I spy Hudson soft on that PCB, a.k.a. GDEV's manufacturer?)

[dj898]

I always thought that one's Cross saturn modified by IS Electronics ?

[IcarusNick]

If your looking for more information on saturn development kits, there is an article in Volume 2 of EGDE Presents FILE (Pages 234 to 239) lots of info and pictures about Sega's Programmers Box, SOA's CartDev box, Mirage CD emulator, and Psy-Q development kit. It was also featured in August 1995 edition of EDGE magazine.

Great place to start.

[dj898]

I tried to do with stuff I had handy, and some that was available on the net. When sources are available, they are clearly stated (in the "reference" or "links" sections of the page).

One of pic in cartdev rev.b under wiki is mine =_= and i dont really want it be used.
Its the one sitting on top of dreamcast box

Can you take it off plz?
Thank you =_=

[Runik]

Hey dj898, long time no see :)
Picture removed as requested.
Out of curiosity, why don't you want it to be used ?

@IcarusNick : thanks for the tip :)

[retro]

To make sure I understand correctly, anything CartDev = Cross = Sega. Anything PsyQ = SN = Psygnosis. Correct? Then there's these units: http://nfggames.com/grafx/saturnac.htm (Do I spy Hudson soft on that PCB, a.k.a. GDEV's manufacturer?)

Not exactly.

Cross Products is a company. They made dev kits for Sega consoles. Then Sega bought Cross Products. It continued to be Cross Products, it was never Sega.

Out of curiosity, why don't you want it to be used ?

Like I said, you have to respect people's copyright. If you go around using their stuff without permission, they're going to get pissed off. The copyright is his, that's as much explanation as you need.

As I said, i'll probably get around to taking a proper picture and allowing it to be used in the wiki. Maybe I'll take a look at tidying up some of the details, too. However, for now, could you take my picture down too, please?

Again, if you want an explanation as to why - it was only intended for consumption by members of this forum and I'm not happy it was used.

[HI_Ricky]

Not exactly.

Cross Products is a company. They made dev kits for Sega consoles. Then Sega bought Cross Products. It continued to be Cross Products, it was never Sega.

Cross Company is under by ADO ELECTRONIC,
than ADO ELECTRONIC is under by CSK Corp
at 1999 ADO ELECTRONIC rename to CSK ELECTRONICS CORPORATION

of coz they a not exactly Sega, but....:)

[dj898]

I think retro summed up nicely. ^ ^
Yes the pic was meant for the board member and never intended for wider audience.
Like retro said I was meant to take better and proper picture but like often said time factor and family life means it's not as easy one might think...

[retro]

Cross Company is under by ADO ELECTRONIC,
than ADO ELECTRONIC is under by CSK Corp
at 1999 ADO ELECTRONIC rename to CSK ELECTRONICS CORPORATION

of coz they a not exactly Sega, but....:)

What?

Cross Products Ltd. was a British company, started in 1989 in Leeds and bought by Sega of America in 1994. It was sold to Imagination Technologies in 2001. Yes, Sega was owned by CSK Holdings Corporation at that time.

Ado Electronic Industrial Co., Ltd. became CSK Electronics Corporation in 1999. I don't see what Ado has to do with Cross Products at all - and CSK Holdings Corporation and CSK Electronics Corporation are not the same company. The CSK group bought shares in Ado in 1995.

I know the former boss of Cross Products - I think I know what I'm talking about ;-)

I think retro summed up nicely. ^ ^
Yes the pic was meant for the board member and never intended for wider audience.
Like retro said I was meant to take better and proper picture but like often said time factor and family life means it's not as easy one might think...

Yeah, I'm not trying to be awkward - to be honest, if I'd been asked if it was OK to use the photo, I'd probably have said the same thing - that I'm not happy with the picture and will take a better one. I'm not trying to be awkward, it's great they have a wiki... but the photo was basically just intended mainly for people I know. I mean, you can see my shopping list stuck to the wall, there! lol

[HI_Ricky]

What?

Cross Products Ltd. was a British company, started in 1989 in Leeds and bought by Sega of America in 1994. It was sold to Imagination Technologies in 2001. Yes, Sega was owned by CSK Holdings Corporation at that time.

Ado Electronic Industrial Co., Ltd. became CSK Electronics Corporation in 1999. I don't see what Ado has to do with Cross Products at all - and CSK Holdings Corporation and CSK Electronics Corporation are not the same company. The CSK group bought shares in Ado in 1995.

I know the former boss of Cross Products - I think I know what I'm talking about ;-)

ADO did alot work, you can easy find out on Cross product how to connection between ADO....
you can image it, when 1994 SEGA bought it at same/after time (pass or share or sell or group) it to ADO .
i know it because my friend work on ADO and CSK....

of coz, you provide the info also is ture story too.

[Runik]

Like I said, you have to respect people's copyright. If you go around using their stuff without permission, they're going to get pissed off. The copyright is his, that's as much explanation as you need.

Like I said, I was just wondering why, and if he didn't want to give an explanation I would have accepted it, no problem at all :)
This kind of stuff is really hard to come by, owners are scarce and that's difficult to have pictures ... so when you find one, you check if it might be possible to get a "wiki release" picture in the future, that's all :)

As I said, i'll probably get around to taking a proper picture and allowing it to be used in the wiki. Maybe I'll take a look at tidying up some of the details, too. However, for now, could you take my picture down too, please?

Done.

Again, if you want an explanation as to why - it was only intended for consumption by members of this forum and I'm not happy it was used.

That's fine to me. Anyway I look forward to see a proper picture of your setup that I will be able to put in the wiki in the future ;) (same thing for dj898 of course :p)

I'm currently trying to contact the guys behind the other pictures in order to get their permission ...

[retro]

Runik - no problem! I'm having a sort out of all my stuff - most of my Saturn gear has been buried under a table with a TON of stuff in front of it (basically a 6ft square room FULL of crap... literally piled about half way to the ceiling!) - and I'm at a point where I can touch the boxes with the Saturn stuff, but not pick them up yet ;-)

HI_Ricky - well, that's interesting to know! I guess Cross needed a Japanese base, too (for translation for a start) and that's probably where ADO came in! I'm meant to be getting a bit of the history of the company soon, anyway, so I'll be sure to ask about that relationship :)

I did notice that your copy of CodeScape (jealous!) had Japanese text on it, that makes sense that they'd use a company that's owned by the same people as Sega, of course. And now I look, I see ADO written on your copy of the CartDev CD. :)

[segaloco]

Cross Company is under by ADO ELECTRONIC,
than ADO ELECTRONIC is under by CSK Corp
at 1999 ADO ELECTRONIC rename to CSK ELECTRONICS CORPORATION

of coz they a not exactly Sega, but....:)

Well I meant like Cross Products:Sega::Intelligent Systems:Nintendo (Not the company itself, but a second or third party studio) but it's the official version, whereas PsyQ was the alternative (although I see a lot of studios did use it :P)

[IcarusNick]

Psy-Q was so popular because of the similarity between their development kits, they did'nt have to completely relearn a new system, it made things easy when it came porting their games over to a new platform.

[Jackhead]

Hi,

i have some question about the connections to sophia system.
I know the vcd extension is for the connection. But what kind of connection is this ribbon cable inside of my saturn?


Unlikely someone cut it off :banghead::banghead::banghead:. Anyone can tell me what plug is used at the end of the cable?

Second question, the name of the PC interface for the sophia -> PC ?
I try to reassembly anything, so please help :).

[Dr.Wily]

It's a NMI cable for debugging. It plugs at the back of the cartdev, but here it seems cut... Look there http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ead.php?t=3344

[segaloco]

As I said, i'll probably get around to taking a proper picture and allowing it to be used in the wiki. Maybe I'll take a look at tidying up some of the details, too. However, for now, could you take my picture down too, please.

Not to be a total raging homo or whatever I'll probably be called, but I just have to ask, as I always wonder with everyone on this site...why is taking a picture such a big deal with people here. Does the light have to be perfect? Does the angle have to capture its good side? Does it take your camera 30min to an hour to load up to take a picture. Like I said, not to be a total ass, but I'm just wondering, as, if I were to take a picture for someone, I would just grab a camera and, well...take it :U and upload it to imageshack for them. Takes about 30 seconds to a minute if time is the issue.

[retro]

Not to be a total raging homo or whatever I'll probably be called, but I just have to ask, as I always wonder with everyone on this site...why is taking a picture such a big deal with people here. Does the light have to be perfect? Does the angle have to capture its good side? Does it take your camera 30min to an hour to load up to take a picture. Like I said, not to be a total ass, but I'm just wondering, as, if I were to take a picture for someone, I would just grab a camera and, well...take it :U and upload it to imageshack for them. Takes about 30 seconds to a minute if time is the issue.

And you have your entire collection out on display? Good for you! Not wanting to "be a total ass", but some of us have collections so large that they take up several rooms and/or we have to hire storage elsewhere for some of it. Excuse me for having priorities greater than grabbing my camera, driving around to the four other locations where my stuff is kept (and just driving between them all and home again would easily take an hour) and spending hours searching through hundreds of boxes for some items just so someone can have a photo who took one of mine without asking previously. As the above could potentially result in my collapsing at one of the locations due to my illness and having to hope someone would come and find me, not to mention the weeks after that I would be knocked out, I think I'll give it a miss. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Back to the topic, the NMI cable is found in a modified Saturn that comes with the CartDev kit, not the Sophia. The end is a standard IDC header. Isn't it the same on the other end? Anyway, it connects to a CartDev, so it's useless without one.

Anyway, my CartDev setup IS handy, so here's a crappy pic:



The Sophia would connect to a PC via 50 pin SCSI.