The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

[A. Snow]

About the retrofit, is like i said somewhere else.
Building a Ferrari with spare parts just 'cause you have 'em like official distributor doesn't make that car a new model or an official Ferrari.

Funny you mention Ferrari.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari...by_Pininfarina

[derekb]

if Dion is the king of neo geo why doesnt he release a version of KoF2000 that doesn't cost as much as a god damn car

eat a goat dick Dion

[Consumed]

Posted by retro:

If they were an official distributor, they can do what they want with their stock. And surely that's why SNK supplied artwork in various formats?

Yes but the English artwork that SNK supplied was of a high quality just like their JPN counterparts, the quality of the NGF inserts is questionable at best. Also, considering that NGF supposedly had full distribution/redistribution rights why does no official SNK released artwork or in-box paperwork acknowledge this fact for the North American releases? There's no mention of them anywhere on official covers or booklets whereas their European distributor Guillemot were namechecked at the very least on the back of the manuals. Does that not strike anyone else as odd?

[LeGIt]

That is a little odd but if we look at it another way: Did Guillemot print the European manuals, or SNK, or did Guillemot pay SNK to print them on their behalf?

Even if they did, NGF may have opted for the cheaper option, which would still have been his right to do so.

The quality aspect should have no bearing on the officialness, nor should a warranty sticker make pople cry :(

[Juste]

Doh, my mistake. It's on the price guide, and due to it's unique nature I can almost see the appeal, bar the insert, but an anal completist has to have it etc. (not me of course)

But yeah, not on the master list. Rightly so. Gah I'm beat.

But why not include this game wheelaa? After all NGF was only the distributor, it was not their creation, but maybe I misunderstand?

Dion, was NGF the sole distributor/seller of the game in the end? And if so, all 100 units were sent to you first?

[wheelaa]

How much more biased can the owner of ng.com be?
He has the english KoF2000 listed between $500-$700!!
Everyone knows the english KoF2000 sells for $3500-$5000.
He lists it low on his price guide so he can grab it when someone contacts him trying to sell it. Once he gets the KoF2000 in his collection again, he'll adjust the price list.

One sold on ebay 2 weeks ago for $3550.
That was the first one to have been sold in the open market in 2-3 years!!

KoF2000 eBay auction - sold $3550

ng.com has stooped to so many dishonest levels that it's hard to keep count. The neo fans have become aware of ng.com's biases , phantom post edits, post deletions, and manipulation and propaganda. Such a shame.
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The majority of the price guide is out of date. Put no credence in it whatsoever, noone really does now, or they if they do, they do so knowing it does not reflect current market trends.

And as for

ng.com owner's word vs. common sense
Believe me, if the administrator at ng.com owned the rare english Pulstar, Irritating Maze, Zupapa, Bang Bead, etc...he would have included them all on that list. Once he's lucky enough to add them to his collection, they will magically appear on that so called "master list." But don't let him, as the administrator of that site, dictate to you or anyone else what is or isn't recognized.

I don't believe they will. I don't believe you. Stop spouting such shit. They will never be added I think. (Nor should they imo)

You are right though in saying don't let someone dictate what is / isn't recognised. Fact is collectors make their own mind up, they decide what they want, and for the vast majority NGF fare equates to utter shite, with one exception for some....

.....@Juste - my understanding, although I may be wrong, is that SNK produced all the materials, inserts, cart sticker, manual etc, as per any SNK made carts. NGF were the sole distributor for this cart, so were in a great position, with huge potential for more US releases. But as everything was SNK made the original insert did not mention NGF at all. But NGF couldn't have that so they shredded all the original inserts and replaced them with ones citing NGF. IE all the KoF2K US carts were tampered with. A complete run of legit carts freaked to satisfy the eog of a couple of losers. As the list does not contain freaked items it is not listed. Right imo, but I certainly don't disagree with other viewpoints on that 1 cart, and certainly not with you Juste, I respect you far too much for that. Hell, in my long post earlier I think I even stated that KoF2K US is the slight exception to general NGF freakery. It's still a POS cart to me though, and a shitty game too, but that's by the by.

Edit - actually from looking at that ended auction it looks like more was freaked. The cart sticker does not appear to have rounded corners, a la NGF usual shite (SNK carts having rounded corners of course), and I see the manual cover at least appears to have been replaced. In fact I would not be surprised if the entire US run is just more NGF garage work. Take 100 JP carts, turn them into US carts. There is however much debate about this and many people do believe that SNK did make these carts, and then NGF added their 'personal' touch. Regardless, SNK never made anything that had NGF emblazoned on it, and that is good enough for me as a collector to know what I want.

And @ Dion. You've said here a couple of times you believe that KoF2K US will become the most expensive homecart ever. Fucking lol. While there may well be more than 100 Euro KE / U11 out there, KNOWN copies are much fewer, so until that changes rarity = money, certainly in homecart terms.

Oh and gah, seems I can't help making a liar out of myself, with another ramble about those fuckers! Normally the phrase that comes to mind is 'like a fly drawn to shit', however while the shit part is valid (imo), I'm not a fly. Rubbernecking at its worst.

[Consumed]

It's my understanding - if I've read everything right anyway - that the USA NGF KOF2000 is a botch job from start to finish and not a repackaging of the Japanese release, it's made from sac carts and MVS ROM chips. Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game. However you look at it, as it wasn't released by SNK in N.A or Euro territories in AES form, irrespective of how official these 100 carts are it all boils down to the fact that they're not genuine. Big, big difference. If it never existed natively 'in the wild' as this didn't then each and every copy out there is a bootleg, all be it a quasi 'official' bootleg at that.

[Juste]

I do share your sentiments for most things NGF wheelaa, especially the destroying of official stuff, really bad that for me.

SNK produced the english version of The King of Fighters 2000, but then NGF 'freaked' the games before distributing them? And I think to what extent is unclear? If yes, maybe Dion could explain what they did exactly, what they changed or added (other than the stamps) and what not. Or if SNK did produce them, or NGF actually did instead.

[LeGIt]

Whoever produced them though, pending the rights were in place which they were, they would still be the official products thus worthy of that list.

[wheelaa]

It's my understanding - if I've read everything right anyway - that the USA NGF KOF2000 is a botch job from start to finish and not a repackaging of the Japanese release, it's made from sac carts and MVS ROM chips. Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game. However you look at it, as it wasn't released by SNK in N.A or Euro territories in AES form, irrespective of how official these 100 carts are it all boils down to the fact that they're not genuine. Big, big difference. If it never existed natively 'in the wild' as this didn't then each and every copy out there is a bootleg, all be it a quasi 'official' bootleg at that.

Wow, ok, if that's true then it's just a piece of shit cart like all other NGF turd.

@Juste - Well according to the post above yours the whole thing is freaked. Regardless, if SNK did make US KoF2K they did not have any mention of NGF on it. SNK never mentioned NGF on any product. That All KoF2K US have NGF on them shows that to some extent they are freaked. I mean look at the insert and manual cover. There is the NGF 'box', so clearly the inserts and manual cover are NGF made. Whether they destroyed legit SNK fare or not, I neither know for cetain nor care. My understanding is they freaked SNK made KoF2K US carts, but maybe SNK had no hand in it at all. In fact to what extent the whole run is freaked or not, I personally don't care, elements are clearly freaked and that's enough for me and many others to shun this release for the shit it is. Consumed may well be right. Look at the cart sticker in the auction. Squared corners, an NGF trademark. Compare to official SNK carts, rounded corners. NGF is a byword for poor quality repro shite.

These make me lol hard too. Well they would if I wasn't crying at the destroyed inserts etc.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/cartsgenre_page_1.htm

For example...

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes.../MetalSlug.jpg

'Corrected genre stripe' insert, yet no 'corrected' sticker? What a piss poor job. If shite was that important to you Dion, why not correct the sticker? Because there's no room on there for NGF logo, and therefore no ego opportunity?

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/TSS.jpg
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/WW7.jpg

Just wow. Not only are the 'corrected' inserts fugly, but come on, JP cart stickers and manuals. If you were really that concerned with churning out decent US product you would have made more of an effort, instead of the token 'corrected' inserts. And even from those crappy quality piccies you can see the NGF inserts are crappy quality (compare them to the sharpness / vividness of the cart stickers / manuals).

I only choose these three games as they are among my favourite Neo titles, but many of the piccies on the 1st link above are painful to look at.

NGF corrected inserts were an ego trip, nothing more, nothing less. Not done for the good of the product, just done to try and make NGF players or some such shit. Hell he's even stated he staged shit just to be remembered / talked about. And I suppose it worked. As Dion has pointed out people still talk about this chuff some 10 years on. What he fails to realise though is that craving the attention of people he doesn't know, who don't him, is beyond pathetic. Look at me, look at me. Wow. We should all be flattered Dion that you crave our attention so much. Oh wait, the majority of people view you in a negative light.

Any yes Legit, or broken record man (like me too), your point is valid. But as with most things in life poeple choose what they wish to believe, be that aliens living among us, or NGF as unofficial shit (regardless of some lame judgement). And when it comes to Neo Geo homecarts, the majority of collectors shun NGF products.

Edit

@ Consumed

Do you have a link to this

Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game.

If so, that would prove that the whole KoF2K US is just faked shit, regardless of one's stance on NGF 'official or not'.

Edit 2

@ Juste

Given how much I respect you as a collector, would you mind if I used this quote of yours as my sig?

I do share your sentiments for most things NGF wheelaa, especially the destroying of official stuff, really bad that for me.

Unless that is not allowed Legit?

[LeGIt]

hehe wheelaa I am stil l broken record and people r welcome to shun them if they desire, but shunning them and marking them unofficial are two things.

They should be listed as official but shunned, not shunned and unofficial - if people know they exist on the list, they could then decide if they wnt to buy them or not. Removing them from the list altogther is stupid.

The Metal slug corrected insert and uncorrected sticker looks a little odd when put together, but there are such things as human error - or are all corrected titles like that?

As for no room for his logo, I don't see the NGF logo anywhere near as big as distributors such as Acclaim or Tectoy on there.

As for square or rounded corners on the sticker, it really doesn't bother me - the official AES carts came in two forms of cases, the official labels for all I care come in rounded or squared corners too.

[Pannolino]

back at the time SNK Japan didn't give a shit about what it can be done with they propriety outside Japan.
That's a fact.
Now you can say all of that shit is legit
and i'm agree.
Not acting like a proper distributor but being in the wild doing all that conversions give me a good reason to think that while still legit all NGF are fake.
Still legit but very far from what the productor had in mind.
And i guess you can open all that Kof 2k2 carts discovering a good eprom and wiring work for what you know.

Of course someone want to pay 3k or whatever for that RARE cart
i don't blame him
Collecting is a blues everyone can play the way they like.

But i hope EVERYones can see the BIG difference, still singing the rights and entitlement song.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannolino
A side, seeing english version of Pulstar would you feel confortable to include it in that list?

Now we had a freaked english version, insert and sticker fully english and the game itself completely and heavy japanese text based. (unplayable for quite everyone)

Otherwise it wouldn't have been possible (or better.. non profitable) to release (or whatever you may call that) a game that the PRODUCTOR hadn't in mind to port for a different market.

Language displayed is system specific
Pulstar was released in in english form on mvs and dc for United States and England, and other English speaking countries.

All negeo aes/mvs titles (except for quiz and mahjong titles) were programmed with both japanese and english text. The game will play accordingto the system.

Same aes cartridge.....pluged into a system....
Japanese AES/MVS system = Japanese text
English AES/MVS system = English text


English Pulstar, along with other NGF english releases should be included in any and all lists.

oh, so the NeoGeo is region free?
:evil:

man, this is what i was trying to explain lol
this makes your tricks possible back at the time.
Quiz and mahjong titles are better examples then a Pulstar Rpg of course.

Do we have a Chibi Marukochan Deluxe Quiz english and "Freak" version with stamp and corrected insert?
(serious question)

Funny you mention Ferrari.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari...by_Pininfarina

it's an one shot homebrew car (with a HUGE aid from Pininfarina who usually work with Ferrari) which incidentally and eventually got the badge of official Ferrari.
Being a marketing move i cant see how it can be connected with a regular cart making job like the Pulstar one and the conversions, selling them to people for making real money,
and to mass produce regardless it has been ever released in home format or localized.
Again .. legit.. but fake.

[Christer-swe]

Again .. legit.. but fake.

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

[synbiosfan]

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

In this context it makes sense though.

[Pannolino]

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

it depends on what you base your point of you of course.
If you can handle an heavy altered product then it may be still "original" to you.
If you brave enough and opening the cart you discover a lot of wires work and eprom everywhere, you can still consider that product MADE by Snk?

I think not.

Still it would be an official product, rights side.
But had NGF the rights to dstributing something never existed?
This would be an interesting point. :evil:

in the end, hey.. companies have the rights to steal resources from the afrikans while they are busy to kill each other with the support of our governments
That's a serious contradiction!

i hope you don't get this late wall someone here (me too) has builded against NGF shit as "hey he's a criminal, let's call the navy seals and CIA"

just debating.

I'm considering buying my first NeoGeo game in the meanwhile
What do you think about Ninja Combat?

[wheelaa]

The Metal slug corrected insert and uncorrected sticker looks a little odd when put together, but there are such things as human error - or are all corrected titles like that?

It seems that where SNK made legit US carts and NGF then printed out their corrected crap, that all NGF did was change the insert. Look at Slug 2, Sengoku 2, Andro Dunos, Cyberlip, Eightman, both Baseball piccies and so on. Hardly quality control.

For titles where SNK only made a JP insert, the majority again to appear to only have a freaked insert. However there is the Pulstar with NGCD manual, and this freaked shit.
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes...kTroopers2.jpg
How low grade is that freaked cart sticker? Or they appear to be just simple converions, where's the Blazing Star manual?

So even their corrected crap is inconsistent, and at best only partially corrected. The general rule being that they only freaked inserts. For people who seem to care so much about genre striping this is incredibly lax. I guess the ego to cost / effort ratio was too little.

Also check out the Euro Kizuna pictured there. It's clearly a fake!

(Obviously their conversions, Zupapa et al are all freaked through and through as there was NO SNK homecart original for them to freak)

[LeGIt]

When you are playing the game, do you look at the label or the screen? The shock troopers 2 label just looks like a label to me, it has all of the information you need on there and does it's job - is it supposed to be in 1080p and 3d too or? :P

Even if you're dissatisfied with the quality of the insert or label, if the official quality is crap quality there is no justification for shunning them from the list of official products, just elect shun them from your own personal collection.

I know it is not your list, but as you agree with the list, if I can convert you I can maybe I can convert the crazies too lol.

[Pannolino]

so basically if the neo geo was a cd based platform
selling cd-r and homeprinted booklet with a good hand marked label on the disc would be the SAME for you?

eh, but it has the rights to do so.
a label it's just a label
etc

[wheelaa]

Convert! Gold! Bad choice of words when talking about homecarts lol.

You're right, when I play a game I look at the screen.

But when I'm fapping my collector's throbber, well then I'm looking at the insert, sticker and so on. Nothing like a freaked insert / sticker to usher in Mr Floppy in place of Mr Hard.

This boy is not for turning though. I will never recognise anything NGF as official. And who's to say I'm not a crazy ;)

[cyberguile]

wheelaa, did you have your hands on a legit copy of pal kizuna encounter ? (totally off topic question but I've been quiet obsessed with this game lately lol)