The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

[retro]

The sad thing is if Dion did post the document he can't the Neo Geo collectors would still find a bone to pick.

Absolutely. As I said, they're looking like obsessive fanatics, and he's coming across as a rational person. It's hilarious that they don't see that.

I'm not ignoring anything. I've seen the press release. I get it. I wasnt even making the argument that they didn't have the rights... Come on, dude. Please read my posts more carefully.

I, and others, want to know the rest of the settlement terms, so speak for yourself as to what is important and what isn't. And stop arguing to me that they posted the settlement. Dion posted right above yours (again) repeating that it hasn't been disclosed, and it appears probably won't. That Playmore press release is a totally different thing than the Settlement and Release Agreement, although its obvious they are related to the same suit.

Why, though? What was mentioned in the press release is all that is important. We know from the outcome of the case that NGF were forbidden from selling fake items, but a specific list of items were returned and they were allowed to sell them. What does the rest matter, really?

If you really want to see them, why not pay the money and get the documents? Hell, you could probably have a whip-round on your precious forum and get everyone to chip in. As for being so busy that it's not possible, I find it funny in that case that you have the time to argue about it on the Internet. Surely you could be using this time to look up the relevant documents?

If you read the documents I posted, you'll see that there really WAS information sealed in the earlier stage of the case, so I don't see why Dion's claim that the settlement was sealed couldn't be true.

It's just another area where Neo Geo fans will show how anal and obsessive they are, and will waste time arguing over. The funniest one for me was the video - someone was really such a sad cunt that they sat there freeze framing a video and analyzing it to determine that a photo someone took was EXACTLY the same as a particular frame in a video? Shit, get a life you sad twats! My initial thought was that, if Dion had the prototype as claimed, surely he could have been the one who made and released the video? He's said before that he used to give away demos on VHS. And, sure enough, Dion mentioned in this topic that he was the one who made the video!

[Buyatari]

The sad thing is if Dion did post the document he can't the Neo Geo collectors would still find a bone to pick.

This is true. From the looks of it so far what they are really mad about might boil down to communication of the sale of the product and customer service. You won't get as much sympathy for that and they want to run him out of town. So instead of complaining about the real reasons they are upset they make all these other claims which they say is why they are upset. This is why the stories will change but the gripe doesn't go away.

[Pannolino]

hey retro is that you in the pic?

[Pannolino]

Back from 1996-2000 we had hundreds of extra manuals in case our customers damaged their originals and wanted replacements. We had extra manuals for Ninja Master's, World Heroes Perfect, Gowcaizer, and many more. We also received hundreds of neogeo cd manuals as well.

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what about extra carts just in case your customers damaged their originals?
is the replacement services just for the accessories?

[retro]

hey retro is that you in the pic?

Ahh, you must be from that ng forum. That's about the level of mentality over there - that of a childish schoolboy. Not saying I'm proud of using that picture but hey, it illustrated a point - that the ng people are being fucking anal about this and they're not painting a good picture of themselves with their childishness.

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.

[Alchy]

Given the regularity with which you get into arguments here yourself that's an interesting choice.

[Adol]

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.

What a joke. Welcome in the sandbox you mean.
The most childish attitude comes from that forum, where moderators can protect scams and name people after nazi figures.
Jeez. Stop badmouthing about other forums, and get a life.

[retro]

Given the regularity with which you get into arguments here yourself that's an interesting choice.

Lol, look who's talking! ;-)

I'm not saying any of us are any better off when we ALL argue (LeGit will gladly call himself an idiot, too :P ). I'm saying that this specific argument is PARTICULARLY stupid.

[retro]

What a joke. Welcome in the sandbox you mean.
The most childish attitude comes from that forum, where moderators can protect scams and name people after nazi figures.
Jeez. Stop badmouthing about other forums, and get a life.

If you'll all stop badmouthing Dion and get a life, then I'll stop badmouthing that forum - sure! Deal?

(I'll bet good money you'll say no. Not my fault you're a fucking hypocrite!)

[Pannolino]

Ahh, you must be from that ng forum. That's about the level of mentality over there - that of a childish schoolboy. Not saying I'm proud of using that picture but hey, it illustrated a point - that the ng people are being fucking anal about this and they're not painting a good picture of themselves with their childishness.

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.

good try. ^_^

Anyway, no, i'm not from ng forum.
I don't even own a Neo Geo nor games.. i was just ... well i can't describe.
concerned about the picture
Posting that you sure have not be proud.
there is nothing funny or satirical in that photo

would aim to hit those who crying about insert and stuff (in your POV) but does ridiculing the victims of those diseases.
The only thing which is illustrated is how much is fascist the creator of the pic and how much is who spread it on the net.
just like the Anna Frank gag in the Griffin or something.

sure there's some other way to debate i hope.

[LeGIt]

If retro had posted that pic outside of the unmoderated thread he'd have been slapped, the same goes if Adol hd behaved retarded elsewhere too.

retro is a cripple, thanks to an idiot driver I'm a cripple now too, so are some other posters. I'm not saying that picture is something retro should have posted, but this thread is unmoderated after all and the able bodied/minded are probably the ones taking the most offense.

The only thing I can really say though Adol is you're an idiot, but if you're going to keep acting like a bitch I'm going to have to slap you like one!

Give it 5 years time Adol and maybe you will look back and see sense and how much of a prick you were. You are a discredit to the Neo Geo community and there is no reasoning with you.

I am happy to resume serious discussion when you grow up though, but in the meantime I'll just have to ignore you and speak to the other more intelligent, rational members like geddon_jt. Lets hope there is a Neo Geo person you actually respect here so they can persuade you to keep your lunacy on a leash =/

[Adol]

If you'll all stop badmouthing Dion and get a life, then I'll stop badmouthing that forum - sure! Deal?

(I'll bet good money you'll say no. Not my fault you're a fucking hypocrite!)

I think pannolino's right,you're the guy on the picture you posted. Nice.
I have m yreasons to badmouth Dion: because he screw me hundreds of $$.
But what on earth NG forum ever do to you to badmouth it, huh?
YOU definitely are a fucking hypocrite.

Legit: give it not 5 years, but 2 days, and if you have an once of intellgience, you'd realize how a prick you acted.
You'd be slapped everywhere acting like that:in the street, on internet forums, everywhere. With another words, you'd get what you deserve.
But i thought you said "the case was closed"...so you're a fucking liar after all?!
I thought so. You have no pride and no common sense. You can't even honor your words.

[Adol]

good try. ^_^

Anyway, no, i'm not from ng forum.
I don't even own a Neo Geo nor games.. i was just ... well i can't describe.
concerned about the picture
Posting that you sure have not be proud.
there is nothing funny or satirical in that photo

would aim to hit those who crying about insert and stuff (in your POV) but does ridiculing the victims of those diseases.
The only thing which is illustrated is how much is fascist the creator of the pic and how much is who spread it on the net.
just like the Anna Frank gag in the Griffin or something.

sure there's some other way to debate i hope.

Unfortunately with nazi aficionados like LeGIt, i think such fascist pictures are in the right place.

[retro]

I think pannolino's right,you're the guy on the picture you posted. Nice.
I have m yreasons to badmouth Dion: because he screw me hundreds of $$.
But what on earth NG forum ever do to you to badmouth it, huh?
YOU definitely are a fucking hypocrite.

Really? You forget?

That forum has badmouthed this forum many times before - WAY before Dion showed up here.

On top of that, the attitude over there has been appalling for years. The elitism, the unhelpful attitudes often seen. It's not a nice place to be.

Like I said, your comment just goes to show how childish you are, Adol.

How am I a hypocrite? YOU are the one who told me to stop badmouthing other forums and get a life, and yet you won't do the same. THAT, my friend, is being a hypocrite.

I offered you a simple deal. You stop badmouthing Dion, I stop badmouthing that forum. It seems I was right - you won't stop. That is what makes you a hypocrite. Don't ask someone to stop doing something if you won't stop yourself - not if you don't want to be rightly called a hypocrite.

Back to this fucking ridiculous argument.

You don't like Dion. WE KNOW.

You feel you got scammed by him. WE KNOW.

We have heard your argument. You don't like Dion. Now, the adult thing to do would be DROP IT and let us form our own opinion of him.

How would you feel if I did something like this about you? Went around badmouthing you everywhere someone mentioned your name? You wouldn't like it at all, would you? You'd probably argue, call me names, be the pathetic child you are being.

Dion takes it on the chin, like a man. He offers a counter to your points in a calm, reasonable manner.

This is the unmoderated forum - you're entitled to your opinion. You can argue about this for another 15 years here if you like - we won't stop you. However, it WILL seriously diminish my opinion of you, and my respect for you.

If you want to be respected in the video game collectors' World, grow up. You've made your point, now stop going on about it. We have ALL been ripped off in the past, we don't go on a crusade against the person, though. Yes, there are legal avenues you can take, and I fail to see why you haven't yet. And no, that's not an invitation for you to harp on about how you still have the right to do so.

Incidentally, it's not just what you've said here that makes me think you are childish. Like I said, that "NGF Bible" that was written stated that you tore the labels off the cart. How is that adult behaviour?

It's funny that you were unable to answer my questions about all those allegations about you - that you tore the labels off, that you sent the cart back, that you received a partial refund. However, you remember the fact that Dion wronged you and apparently ignored you and didn't refund you so well.

Which is it? He didn't refund you and ignored you, or he accepted your return and gave you a partial refund? It can't be both. I will accept that you can feel that the partial refund was not enough and that you are still owed money, but you CANNOT DENY HE PARTIALLY REFUNDED YOU.

I just don't see how you can't remember whether you returned the cart to him or not. Here's a simple way to tell - do you still have the cart? If not, you probably returned it... or sold it on to someone else!

If you still have the cart, I would very much like to see up-to-date pictures of the cart and the many wires you mentioned... we've already found the picture you posted of the cart and there were NOWHERE NEAR the amount you said.

If you have a dispute with Dion, are unsatisfied with what you received and wished to take further action, I cannot believe that someone who is in the legal profession would not keep evidence, such as the original adverts, e-mails etc. And, to be honest, I can't believe that someone who is being as anal as you are about it hasn't already plastered these all over the Internet and kept copies in a Photobucket account or something similar.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that Dion hasn't offered proof that you're wrong. It's up to you to persuade us that you're not embellishing the truth, here. Show us that evidence, prove yourself right, and we might say "fucking hell, Dion IS a bit shady! Adol was right!" However, until you do so, I reserve the right to form my own opinion of Dion based not on alleged events 14 years ago, but his conduct today.

You know, even if he is "guilty", people can change. Criminals go to prison, do their time, then come out and try to get on with their lives. Should we be forever following someone around after so long in prison, pointing at him and saying "he robbed my shop 14 years ago! Don't trust him!" That would be fucking pathetic, no?

[Alchy]

Give it a rest, Adol. You're just making yourself look bad at this point.

Lol, look who's talking! ;-)

Quite. In know full well I'm an argumentative bastard at times, and I will keep hammering away at something way past the point where most people have lost interest in the debate. That's why I don't post pictures like that :p

[Adol]

How am I a hypocrite? YOU are the one who told me to stop badmouthing other forums and get a life, and yet you won't do the same. THAT, my friend, is being a hypocrite.

I was talking about badmouthing a forum by interposition. To badmouth it without having the balls to do it on the exact forum.
If you have the balls, tell it there, not here.

I offered you a simple deal. You stop badmouthing Dion, I stop badmouthing that forum.

And since you said it, what did i say about him, huh?

Now, the adult thing to do would be DROP IT and let us form our own opinion of him.

And how is that "adult thing going" here ? By naming me a nazi figure? By posting fascist pictures?
Smart.

If you want to be respected in the video game collectors' World, grow up.

Fortunately, I don't need to gain your respect to be respected in the video game collectors' World, i already am. Not by everyone of course, but no one is, otherwise it'd be a fucking hypocrite. :)
I just spoke ONCE, those days, because Dion showed up and because LeGIt was looking for victims. That's it. And i even did it with delay, so you can't say i jumped at it.

But have you ever see me talking about it within the last..7-8 years, when Dion was hiding? NEVER.

Incidentally, it's not just what you've said here that makes me think you are childish. Like I said, that "NGF Bible" that was written stated that you tore the labels off the cart. How is that adult behaviour?

Ok, here's an adult response: I completely deny it, and am waiting proofs of such lie.
But for the funny story, i wasn't adult back at the time, i was a minor (-18).

It's funny that you were unable to answer my questions about all those allegations about you - that you tore the labels off,

I didn't notice yet you asked the question. then let me be clear once again: this is the very first time i've heard of such story, and i completely deny it. And i'm waiting concrete proofs of me tearing stickers.
And not pictures of torn stickers anyone could tore, of course.

that you sent the cart back, that you received a partial refund.

I remember i sent the cart back yes.
I remember Dion tried to screw me by offering way less than a complete refund. It's illegal.

However, you remember the fact that Dion wronged you and apparently ignored you and didn't refund you so well.

If you send back a product,and get 15% refund instead of the 100% one the law enforces, how would you feel?

Which is it? He didn't refund you and ignored you, or he accepted your return and gave you a partial refund?
It can't be both. I will accept that you can feel that the partial refund was not enough and that you are still owed money, but you CANNOT DENY HE PARTIALLY REFUNDED YOU.

I don't deny it. But i never accepted a partial refund as a closure.
Law enforces a complete refund, so complete refund it has to be.
Not some goofy refund like "mmm, the sticker is strange,let's cut 80% of the refund".
It has to be 100% refund, period. I am still waiting, 14 years later, the completion of the refund.
And once again,i completely deny the stupid torn stickers story.

I just don't see how you can't remember whether you returned the cart to him or not.

I remember, and i claimed it many pages ago,wake up!

If you still have the cart, I would very much like to see up-to-date pictures of the cart and the many wires you mentioned... we've already found the picture you posted of the cart and there were NOWHERE NEAR the amount you said.

man, are you serious? You REALLY think i counted the wires and said 34,or 42?
Sorry, i didn't count them. I could, hell, say 17, that won't change the facts there were WIRES, and it's a fucking convert, when it was advertized as an official english home cart release.

If you have a dispute with Dion, are unsatisfied with what you received and wished to take further action, I cannot believe that someone who is in the legal profession would not keep evidence, such as the original adverts, e-mails etc.

Do you realize i was 17 when it happened?
Do you realize i was a minor, and NOT a legal professionnal at 17? How could you possibly be THAT wrong?
And, please, do not say you didn't know, i already said that in the last pages many times.

Show us that evidence, prove yourself right, and we might say "fucking hell, Dion IS a bit shady! Adol was right!" However, until you do so, I reserve the right to form my own opinion of Dion based not on alleged events 14 years ago, but his conduct today.

Fine, make your own opinion. I made mine when i got scammed $600-$100=$500, and saw other guys get fucked with $50k deals. It happened, and is fully documented.

You know, even if he is "guilty", people can change. Criminals go to prison, do their time, then come out and try to get on with their lives.
Should we be forever following someone around after so long in prison, pointing at him and saying "he robbed my shop 14 years ago! Don't trust him!" That would be fucking pathetic, no?

Yeah, but those guys MAKE AMENDS. Dion doesn't. That's the problem.

[Juste]

This is true. From the looks of it so far what they are really mad about might boil down to communication of the sale of the product and customer service. You won't get as much sympathy for that and they want to run him out of town. So instead of complaining about the real reasons they are upset they make all these other claims which they say is why they are upset. This is why the stories will change but the gripe doesn't go away.

Who are they that you think are really mad/upset (apart from Adol ^_^)? Who wants to run him out of town? I don't. I myself have only asked questions/spoke of past things that don't seem right. That's not being mad/upset. I just wanted to ask about things that I think are still uncertain, or to clarify stuff, in a thread were nobody wants to back anything up 100%.

[Adol]

Who are they that you think are really mad/upset (apart from Adol ^_^)? Who wants to run him out of town? I don't.

Just to clarify things: neither do i.
How upset i'd be or not, i don't want him "out of town".
I'd really rather see him answer all the questions people asked him and not avoiding them like he did for the past decade. That would be a change.

[LeGIt]

I just wanted to ask about things that I think are still uncertain, or to clarify stuff, in a thread were nobody wants to back anything up 100%.

+1

Adol and his lunacy does not help matters. Hopefully the others will speak up and be more helpful/reasonable, preferably sooner rather than later.

[Juste]

Just to clarify things: neither do i.
How upset i'd be or not, i don't want him "out of town".
I'd really rather see him answer all the questions people asked him and not avoiding them like he did for the past decade. That would be a change.

I think in the end, people see that too.

But you must stop the way you are with LeGIt and retro.