YES.Originally Posted by LeGIt
Then STFU!
YES.
Then STFU!
I'm amazed I can still read French fluently after two years of abstinence. And this thread had been very illuminating, much more than the other one with Dion answering questions and unpleasant shit getting deleted. I'm not saying I'm now with Dion or with Adol, it's just that the entity of the problem is finally summarized in one thread.
Whenever people talk about Dion it's what Buyatari (or retro?) said:
"SCAMMER!"
"NOOOOOO"
"YES YOU ARE"
"NO I'M NOT"
And that's very tiresome. A friend of mine dealt with Dion back in the day and everything was alright (you probably know him, Adol - Clemens from Germany? I think he sold you a Kizuna...). But there are tons of people out there who claim to have been scammed or to have received damaged goods and while I have no personal experience with NGF as a customer, I can only speak for my personal impression that it doesn't seem likely that Adol and all the others are either just too stubborn to recognize NGF's right back at the time or that they're simply hallucinating.
mes deux centimes :p
Last edited by ave; 04-26-2011 at 04:12 PM.
<- can someone please make this as a repro and sell it so me?
Eh? I said it is clearly modified. Yes I see wires, but I also don't see a problem with that?
Actually my math is brilliant as I successfully adjusted for regulatory drift, a task which you as a legal professional could not do. L121-16 in 1997 = L121-20 in 2011, get over it. The body of laws don't just change, their relative path does too. If you were remotely competent in your vocation you would know this? If you would like to read L121-20 as in force in 1997, as a legal professional (ha!) you should know how to find this but I'll post it for you anyway:
Article L121-20
Créé par Loi 93-949 1993-07-26 annexe JORF 27 juillet 1993
Les règles relatives à la fixation des règles de programmation des émissions sont définies par l'article 2 de la loi n° 88-21 du 6 janvier 1988 précitée reproduit ci-après :
"Art. 2 : Le Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel fixe les règles de programmation des émissions consacrées en tout ou partie à la présentation ou à la promotion d'objets, de produits ou de services offerts directement à la vente par des services de radiodiffusion sonore et de télévision autorisés en vertu de la loi n° 86-1067 du 30 septembre 1986 relative à la liberté de communication".
NOTA: Nota : L'article 2 de la loi n° 88-21 du 6 janvier 1988 ci-dessus reproduit a été abrogé par la loi n° 2000-719 du 1er août 2000.
Yes... very relevant as we can clearly see (not). Clever you thinking your 2011 law reference will mean shit in 1997 - Wrong again! I said it before now I'll say it again - Adolf you really should consider changing your day job as you are obviously not very good at it.
No difference other than the addition of a couple more paragraphs of text and an amendment to the original you mean? Are you wearing horse blinkers or something? It cearly doesn't say the customer has 7 days to compain. It says the customer has 7 days to return the item to the seller's hands, stop bullshitting people. WTB proof of posting or tracking receipt confirming Dion received Shock Troopers within 7 days, perferably in the same condition your ecived it in as that is what a Judge will expect to see, then I can begin to believe you though I will always believe you are crazy for holding a grudge for a fucking manual for 14 years!
I'll do it in french , up to you to translate, i'm tired speaking another language:
Adolf est incompétent
Last edited by LeGIt; 04-26-2011 at 04:45 PM.
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You don't? Then you definately should go check yourself in to psychiatric ward.
No difference in my CASE!
No difference with the fact i complained and sent the stuff back within 7 days!
I'm not here to talk about the 3 months extension or any other changing, the changes are uneffective in my situation.
Putain tu piges rien sérieux!
By the way, calling me Adolf, that makes look you more stupid than you really are.
Congrats. What are you, 5? Am i back in kindergarten?
Anyway, just remember:i only came here, SEVERAL WEEKS later, to answer your post. YES, MANY have been scammed, including me. That's all.
The fact you're delusional by thinking i'm looking for a manual 14 years later won't change the facts: i was JUST here to say: YES, it's not a friend of a friend's story, it's real, it happened.
Ave said the same: IT HAPPENED.
Your cabale won't change that.
No matter big your horse blinks are, it happened. Dion scammed a LOT of people all around the world, and anyone (but not you,it seems) being in Neo Geo World between 1995-2002 know it. ShawnMCCleskey being one of the first.
Last edited by Adol; 04-26-2011 at 04:49 PM.
This has gone far beyond ridiculous. 14 years. Fourteen. Fucking. Years. Seriously.
Adol, you're obviously a twat. If you had a problem you should have sorted it out upon receipt of the item, which was a very, very long time ago. It's pathetic that you still bitch on about this, but haven't seem to have done anything about it for nearly a decade and a half.
MVS games DO NOT come with a sodding manual. Therefore, an AES conversion of an MVS cart cannot have a manual because it doesn't fucking exist in the first place, you moron.
As far as anyone can tell you got the official product from the official distrbutor, you don't have to like the build quality but you do have to live with it unless you resell it. If you think you got a fake from a scammer why are you pursuing him outside of the legal limitations? Would you pursue a chinese man on a street corner selling bootlegs DVD's? Why did you continue to do business with him?
More to the point if it is a fake, why will a manual and interest make the situation correct? I'd wager it is more because you have OCD and can't live without a complete collection so you keep the game, but you can't live without a manual either so you bitch about it. Well boo fucking hoo, grow up!
Fuck the 30 days then if it makes you happy but learn to read. The law in force in 1997 doesn't state the contact must be sent to the seller within 7 days, but that the item should be received by the seller within 7 days. If you shipped Shock Troopers within 7 days and it arrived in 8 days you are shit out of luck, that is assuming you ever did have any luck. The contact within 7 days amendment clearly didn't come into effect until a later date. To be honest given as you initially denied receiving it at all, how can you return it if you didn't have it?
FYI I call you Adolf becuse just like Adolf Hitler, you are on a fools quest shitting on people along the way and this can only end badly for you. No, you are not in kindergarten but you should consider going back there as I am sure you will fit right in.
Despite what you may think I am not on an Adolf witch hunt, I do want to get to the bottom of your complaint but you are certainly not doing yourself any favours.
Last edited by LeGIt; 04-26-2011 at 07:10 PM.
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In a thread full of garbage, this takes the biscuit. Talk about a non-point.
MVS games do not come with homecart sticker or insert either, yet almost all conversions do. Spooky? No, people design / make their own. Many conversions have also come with a manual over the years.
So while this has no bearing on the current argument, it does suggest you should look in the mirror before throwing out insults. Reminds me of a KE character..Cupid Stunt indeed.
Last edited by wheelaa; 04-26-2011 at 06:15 PM.
So Adol accepted his refund policy? He doesn't have a leg to stand on. If he had one he would have lodged a complaint with the small claims courts years ago. Whether or not your 30 year ideology exists you can't use it.
Really your doing nothing but shit flinging and getting it all over your name in the long run. You flinging shit at a long established member (Jamtex) and making Dion look more credible.
Actually Adol has been here longer than Jamtex (with that name at least), who himself has far from a perfect history when it comes to gaming deals (search NTSC-UK, MD, PSP).
Jamtex is a lovely chap in person though, somewhat lighter in tone than his postings suggest.
Anyhow....please continue all, this thread is good fun.
Also Dakis, I remember reading years back about a faked photosession of Last Odyssey. Have been reading about recently too, and lo
http://www.neogeoprotos.com/games/pinballpirates.htm
Any comment? The vid looks pretty clearcut to me?
Dion, is it really true that you wrote your name on the back of the insert? If yes, why did you do that? But also, did you tell Adol (or others) you would be doing so before selling them?
Ego.
Did he just sign the conversions? Perhaps it was his seal that the conversion was his since others were also making conversions. If just conversions it is not that important as conversions don't have collectable value just play value.
Jerry G used to sign all the Atari prototypes that passed through his hands so people would know that he verified the carts as authentic. It was like an attached certificate of authenticity. When I see an Atari prototype with his name I won't say I do cartwheels but I know where it came from.
Last video
I really can't comment on what that weirdo is trying to accomplish with his NGF Last odyssey page, nor do I care. If you watch the video all the way through, I highly doubt the photos will be the exact same. That guy is counting on people not watching the video and taking his word for it. I'm not forcing anyone to believe if we have/had game "x" or not. The point is moot because we recently sold our only copy (flash memory) of Last Odyssey. Tell that guy NGF says they don't have Last Odyssey (maybe he'll finally feel better about himself).
Signing
That's ridiculous. How many more stories will he say?
The only thing we did was put the NGF Distributor/Warranty sticker on the cartridges and we used the NGF Distributor stamp on the back of the inserts because people would attempt to return different items to us and claim it was the item they received. If I did sign something, I'm sure it would be more valuable to collectors these days. "Personally signed by Dion Dakis!!" ;-)
NGF Distributor/Warranty sticker and NGF Stamp of Authenticity
If a customer purchased the game and wanted a refund or exchange, we needed to make sure the game came from us, that the cartridge was in working order/not tampered with, and that the insert was not damaged, torn, or replaced with a copy (it happened to us many times).
Thus we implemented the NGF Distributor Sticker and the NGF Stamp of Authenticity.
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Last edited by Dion; 04-27-2011 at 12:12 AM. Reason: NGF Distributor/Warranty sticker PHOTO
"You have enemies?
Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - - Winston Churchill
well the point seems to be that a manual let you figure out you have a legit Home Product (later Ubisoft discovered all those manual was hurting the earth but ok...).
An home product, a factory product is designed to have a manual.
(having in mind a home customers)
(this is why all the AES got an insert a manual and a sticker on the catridge and aren't just loose mvs working also in the home system)
And, a product from the official distributor is expected to have a manual since you can think is the real thing.
And pursuing it after years while is clearly silly, is more likely to point out some question i guess.
there's no legal scam over there, i agree..
but well no good behaviour.
Quoting Dion:
to me seems piracy.A conversion of say a NeoGeo cartridge requires the person to "purchase" a MVS cartridge of any given title. Then, buy a home cartridge with basically the same type configuration style ROM boards in order to make some of the adjustments. At this point, the person will have bought the MVS cartridge and a NeoGeo HOME cartridge. Basically, a 2 for one deal. Most people do this in order to own and play, on "home cartridge" format, a game that was not officially released on home cartridge or to be able to own a home cartridge that is either extremely rare to find or too much to expensive for the person involved. A perfect example of a reason or game people can relate to is Metal Slug. The game on official home cartridge will cost you about $1000. But to buy all the necessary parts and pay someone (Chris Ray or Dion Dakis) to do the conversion will cost you a total of about less than $300. A $700 savings seems like a great reason to go this route, and we can all relate with that.
but i do know nothing about Neogio
i don't even know why i'm posting here.
:gravedigging:
READ the posts, i complained on first week, maybe first day i received it. Jesus.
It's not like i posted EVER on it within 14 years.
And i only posted because Legit told he had still to see someone who was really scammed by Dion "THIEF" Dakis. And i reacted FOUR WEEKS after the post. That cannot be called a fast and angry reaction.
He was not, and still never is the official distributor in 1997.
SNK USA was. Stop lying, you're convincing no one!
So says the kindergarten level guy naming people after Nazi figures. Haha.
Psychward should be your 2nd home.
NO, LEARN TO READ YOURSELF, it means it has to be SHIPPED within 7 days,and that is what i did. "faire retour" means TO SHIP IT BACK.
Damn, you really SUCK at foreign languages.
But since you're still in kindergarten classby showing at your insults and nazi remarks, it fits.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
LEARN TO READ.
Faire retour signifie qu'on renvoie le produit, pas qu'il doit arriver chez l'expéditeur. On ne peut être responsable des délais d'expédition de la Poste!
You call me Adolf because you're mentally 5y old. Man, you're comparing me to Hitler. What kind of distrubed person are you?
You definately have mental problems, or you really suck at History, not knowing who Hitler was or what he did.
You need to take lessons about History, or French, because you just don't know a damn thing about such domains.
NO.
I'm a "long established member" as well, if 6 years is ok with you.
But, even ie he posts more often here (and is as fluently inenglish as i am in french), he remains a long established member who scammed me, by sending nothing to mewhen i paid him fully in time.
That doesn't change the facts his posts can be interesting, and he can be appreciated, but the facts stand i never received the product i paid for, nor proof of sending.
But i know he's "protected" here, and can do this kind of business.
No he signed, but most often STAMPED all the products he had in hands, including original japanese carts.
You can ask Shawn McCleskey, owner of www.neo-geo.com , about this, he stamped EVERY SINGLE propduct of a $50000 deal: inserts, manuals, everything.
The guy just ruined original SNK stuff.
Just by the way, why did you even buy a conversion in the first place? I thought you were only interested in official releases (i.e. by SNK, Saurus)?
Or did you buy it for other purposes, like closing gaps in your AES soft catalog collection or for resale? Whatever your intention was, I don't get why someone interested in original and high-quality parts would buy a 600$ con, no matter if it was licensed or not at the time. Why didn't you just go for the MVS kit instead? It's not like I want to blame you for being scammed (as you say), but if I buy a conversion I'd be suspicious in the first place and probably don't expect a product of the same quality as, for instance, Shock Troopers 2 NGH.
Why were you convinced NGF was an authorized retailer of SNK games back at the time although he was selling conversions of games not distributed by SNK-USA as well as having court trouble later on? I assume you were already as familiar with the facts as it was possible at the time.
Last edited by ave; 04-27-2011 at 07:56 AM.
I just don't know what/who to believe.
I think writing your name in black permanent marker (which Adol said was true) and putting a NGF distributor stamp on the back of the insert are clearly two different things, and can't be confused.
Adol said you didn't have the rights in 1997, and you say you did, but nobody has proved anything 100% either way, at least for me.
Dion, isn't there anything else you can do/show to help? Like you said, I think there are no dates or times on what has already been provided. I think the only other answer you gave was that sold is a past tense, meaning your rights were from before the settlement, but for example, that could mean games sold only 1 week, 1 month or 1 year prior to that, couldn't it? If there are no clear dates or times specified, how can we know for sure?
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