Nintendo 3195b? 3197a? D411? D411a? D413a?

[ASSEMbler]

I started going through a huge box of new sleeved ICs and
found these nintendo ICS.

[link83]

You probably already know this, but those are all CIC security chips used in NES and SNES games/consoles.

Do you mind if I ask where they came from? Or do you have any pictures? Just curious to see if they are labelled any differently to normal CIC's.

I dont suppose you have any N64 CIC chips? (CIC-NUS-X10X)

[ASSEMbler]

I know the kind, but not the region they belong to.

D411a , it's a suffix that I am not sure of. D411 sure, but "a"?

[crediar]

I got a D411A on my Breath of Fire II JAP cart

[l_oliveira]

CICs for:

NES: 3195a (NES-NTSC)
3197a (NES-PAL)


SNES: D411a (NTSC)
D413a (PAL)



The SNES chips are supposed to be inside the console if they're TSOP (Not really TSOP but similar to) and supposed to be used on cartridges if they're DIP.

In the case of the SNES, DIP can be used only on cartridges but the SMD chips can be used on both (Star Fox and other FX games use the SMD D411) :thumbsup:

[ASSEMbler]

so the "b" chips would be the counterpart to the lockouts?

[caitsith2]

In the case of these chips, D411/D411a/D411b are DIP cic chips. Surface mount chips are F411/F411a/F411b

The SNES console has a F411, and is the only chip that is meant to be the lock. All the rest of them can function as Keys.

The a/b suffix, indicates revision. Those without a suffix, are revision 0, then it counts up, from a, b, and so on. b is the highest revision seen, for any of these chips.

[link83]

I know the kind, but not the region they belong to.

D411a , it's a suffix that I am not sure of. D411 sure, but "a"?

Perhaps this chart I made might help:-

---------------------------------------------------------------------

NES-------------Console---------------Cart

NTSC-----------3193, 3193A-----------3193, 3193A
---------------------------------------6113, 6113A, 6113B1

PAL-A-----------3197A-----------------3197A

PAL-B-----------3195A-----------------3195A

Hong Kong-------3196A-----------------3196A

(Not listed: The FamicomBox and FamicomBox Coin Timer which use 3198 and 3199 CIC's)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

SNES-----------Console-----------------Cart

NTSC-------F411, F411A, F411B---------D411, D411A, D411B
-----------------------------------------F411A, F411B

PAL---------F413, F413A, F413B---------D413, D413A, D413B
-----------------------------------------F413A, F413B

---------------------------------------------------------------------

(N.B. Why dont code tags work?!)

The 'A' or 'B' at the end just means the chip was revised/improved, Nintendo uses this naming convention for a lot of their chips.

SNES chips beginning with 'D' are in a DIP configuration, whereas 'F' chips are surface mount.

so the "b" chips would be the counterpart to the lockouts?

For the NES and SNES the CIC chips can be either the lock or key by making one pin on the chip high or low.

....I have not heard of the 3195B before though, is there any chance of some pictures of the chips ASSEMbler? (I dont suppose they come on a reel with any model/stock codes?)

CICs for:
NES: 3195a (NES-NTSC)
3197a (NES-PAL)

Sorry l_oliveira, but the 3195A is for the 'PAL-B' region. The game boxes are often labelled 'EUROPEAN VERSION', and were sold in most European countries.

The 3197A is for the 'PAL-A' region. The game boxes are often labelled 'MATTEL' or 'NES VERSION', and were sold in the UK, Italy and Australia.

[mooseblaster]

The 3197A is for the 'PAL-A' region. The game boxes are often labelled 'MATTEL' or 'NES VERSION', and were sold in the UK, Italy and Australia.

Huh. Always wondered why my European copy of Yoshi's Cookie wouldn't work in an unmodded NES. Thanks :)

[l_oliveira]

Thanks for putting the information straight, Link83.

As for the F411 chip in a cartridge:

http://www.snescentral.com/pcbboards...=SHVC-1CB5B-01