Consumer waste devkits

[Cancerous1]

just from a legal standpoint, if Microsoft sells/pays another company to dispose of retired devkits. Do they still legally belong to Microsoft? Is this fall under standard dumpster diving? Once you throw it away anyone can 'find' it?

There are sites where you can by retired 360 devkits with the connectors in back physically broken, but could be repaired with parts most people probably have laying around from old units/pc's etc..

I'm curious If you bought one, fixed it, and genuinely planned to avoid P-net, could you use it to debug without worrying about Microsoft nuking your devkit, or would you have to set up a closed local network?

edit:(you could get 3 or 4 of them for less than the cost of a secondhand working unit.)

edit2: not trying to start junk threads, I suppose even if you did legally own it at that point, you still would not have license to the software.

[lllsondowlll]

Thats how most kits were obtained till the stress tests were pushed out in the grey market. The origins on those are kind of shady but most of the xenon's you find are actual dumpster trash which is why my first two xenon kits failed till I decided to dish out the cash for a nice kit with a little help from a friend of course. However the software still belongs to microsoft and it is underlined that you can not use a kit legally without being under an NDA I believe .

[ASSEMbler]

Most times the terms are for them to be scrapped.

If they send them as waste with no terms, then it's no longer ms property.

[Cancerous1]

well I suppose its no secret as its in google, but taobao.com has them from many sellers in varying conditions and prices, am I correct in thinking those prices are in taiwan dollars?

[Tyler]

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=4732607261

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=4476973957

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3801878781

hes right i just looked

just serch xdk theres alot for sale

[Tyler]

Seriously nobody thinks this is a good find? how do i buy these?
how much is that currency in comparasin to usd, is these cheep or expensive?

[bearkilla]

they are prototypes btw

[Tyler]

not all of them

[Offica1 g33k]

you need to get an agent. I am trying to contact one. http://myobook.net/ is their website, obook@yahoo.com is their email

[ASSEMbler]

Good luck sending your money to china.

[Tyler]

Assemblers right, anyone whos ever dealt with ebay will agree.

Your money's probably safer elsewhere.

But if u can somehow work it out, then yea tell me how it goes.

[XboxGamer23]

The problem is that there's no way of telling what kind of kit you will get. And if there were any problems and you needed to communicate back with the seller to discus refunds etc. Sounds like a giant clusterfuck if you ask me

[Cancerous1]

Hrm, buy - don't buy, dev - don't dev, a Jedi thinks not of these things..

Anyone have pointers for sidecar removal?

EDIT: You buy from taobao through an agent if you're in America, like http://taobaofocus.com/order and use Paypal

[XboxGamer23]

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ad.php?t=27349

[bearkilla]

let us know how you get on Cancerous1

[Cancerous1]

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...ad.php?t=27349

that will be helpful once i get it off the unit, those broken tabs in the pics at that link are what I don't want to do. You know how the two gray end pieces fit on a retail? The sidecar looks like it fits like that but doesn't come off nearly as easily.

I might have to order a PSU from taobao so I'll let you know..

I picked up this one from a private source, with no guarantee of its condition, showed up looking mint with a sidecar on it. Gambled and won.

[Offica1 g33k]

They say the kits are "100% repairable if the buyer knows what he is doing"... sooo i dont know

Looks like the broke off some ports
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTIyMDQ1MDIw.html

[XboxGamer23]

that translates to "these kits have been xclamped and will probably break down pretty soon". I dont think it has anything to do with pnet bricks

[ReamaOner]

They say the kits are "100% repairable if the buyer knows what he is doing"... sooo i dont know

Yeah, they said the same thing to me

I emailed them about buying one and they sent me a spread sheet of the cost of shipping and stuff, and it ran to like $140 after shipping.

[LEo]

I think its fine, people you guys are complaining they break down, but jesus for 140 dollars would you really care that much...

This find potentially allows me to fix my bricked kit for alot less money.