upscaling of playstation 1 games

[forever gaming]

Which platform performs the cleanest upscalling of playstation games?I tested ridge racer one on the ps3 and quite frankly on a 46 inch at 1080 p via hdmi is barely watchable. And that's with smoothing on and the game no set to full screen. I decided to test ridge racer again but this time on a dreamcast through the bleemcast beta disk that's been floating around for quite some time.
Although the game ran a bit slow the game looked a hell of a lot better. This was on a 26 inch ctr via av cable. I have yet to test on a ps2 and or bleem pc to see which gives the best results. I firgured at 1080 ps3 would be king over all but come to think of it most of my psn downloaded ps games aren't too good looking. Maybe its my seetings ,screen sz ,or the connection I'm using? Slightly off topic how about ps2 games on a ps3 (hdmi or component) when compared to playing them on a ps2. (Component)

[bearkilla]

http://www.pcsx.net/ on your PC :D

[Borman]

Bleem PC is awful. Upscaling itself is awful. You want something like EPSXE, which like Bleem is an emulator, but actually decent, which rerenders the game at a higher resolution. Upscaling is basically stretching and filtering it, most of the time without doing it all that well. If a game console doesnt do it, most TVs now do the upscaling themselves, which is basically the same thing, though with different results (for better or worse).

So, use EPSXE, try some of the actual texture filters (some games it looks great, others awful, depending on the game itself), and actually render at the higher resolution.

Edit : And PCSX hasnt been updated in forever, epsxe is much more current.

[c_rpg]

EPSXE is a great solution. It has alot of options to get the best possible display settings. You can choose filter settings and anti aliasing etc.

[GaijinPunch]

most TVs now do the upscaling themselves, which is basically the same thing, though with different results (for better or worse).

TVs are always worse. For 2D games last gen, definitely. I can't imagine TV manufacturers putting MORE R&D into upscaling 240p signals.

[randyrandall]

It is almost sickening that no manufacturer cares about the past.

I can see a day when RF and composite connections don't exist any more
*Tear falls*

[Borman]

TVs are always worse. For 2D games last gen, definitely. I can't imagine TV manufacturers putting MORE R&D into upscaling 240p signals.

Im talking about good TVs, apparently some higher end ones have extremely nice scalers (though at that point, youre playing on a 1080p screen anyway). Not that I know from first hand experience so /shrug

[Calpis]

It is almost sickening that no manufacturer cares about the past.

I can see a day when RF and composite connections don't exist any more
*Tear falls*

It isn't practical for modern displays to support all cases of malformed video, that's just how it is.

Fortunately, it is very possible to scale video externally to 1080p and have it look good given enough user control. No, not even the most expensive ones available match a CRT, but it *can* be done. Due to the niche market and hardware cost, this probably won't be implemented in TVs, so will have to be independent hardware.

This is the idea: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=147 and by acceptance of next generation screens (specifically LED and Laser) it could really work out well.

Back on topic, upscaling can mean literally that, taking the ~480 line frame and scaling it to ~960 lines, or it could mean resampling the frame to an arbitrary amount of lines, or it could mean emulating the Playstation's GPU and rendering a scene to many more lines for less aliasing. Which one you want, you'd have to clarify.

[Segata Sanshiro]

It is almost sickening that no manufacturer cares about the past.

I can see a day when RF and composite connections don't exist any more
*Tear falls*

Thank fuck for that.

SCART and component all the way.

[alf717]

If you have the graphics hardware try this ePSXe guide.

http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sony/...-settings.html

I find that running my games on my old RCA 20" TV with S-video used to be my favorite solution to playing PS1 games. Since I gave the TV to my parents though, I actually found it entertaining to play them from a PSOne with the LCD screen. Kind of like having my own portable PS1 console. Just something about playing them on the original console makes it that much more better for me. I toss a game in my PC from time to time though and use the above guide just to see what kind of results I get with my old PS1 titles.

[Divine Evolution]

Im talking about good TVs, apparently some higher end ones have extremely nice scalers (though at that point, youre playing on a 1080p screen anyway). Not that I know from first hand experience so /shrug

You're talking a display that has something like an HQV chip, realistically I don't think you'd get as good results using a PS1/2/3 into an HQV enabled TV as you would just using ePSXe with some good computer hardware.
(That's what I do and while it's not a miraculous improvement it is often surprising. I was amazed at how much detail they put into the characters in FFIX that you couldn't possibly see on a PS1 and a low-def TV!)

[Vosse]

^
Orly? care to post a screen?