PS3 death clock

[Parris]

I'm going to end up sounding a little cranky myself now, but in the time it took you to write that rather lengthy post you could've gone to wikipedia, found the references, and made your own mind up. I just did a quick google search and found Microsoft were making a profit from some time in 2006. Go look.

Then why did Robbie Bach suggest that they wouldn't until some point in 2008? You'd have thought the President of Microsoft's Entertainment division would have been a pretty good bet?

Quote from article:

"Microsoft entertainment boss (Bach) says console business about to break even. The president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division has said he expects the company's console business to finally start making money next year (2008)"

Have a look at the link I posted. Hence me suggesting perhaps there is a bit of misinformation about it on the Internet. Not sure which sources to believe - actually I no longer care!

'Tis the season of good will, so Merry Christmas! <Off to NOT be cranky>

[Alchy]

Then why did Robbie Bach suggest that they wouldn't until some point in 2008? You'd have thought the President of Microsoft's Entertainment division would have been a pretty good bet?

Quote from article:

"Microsoft entertainment boss (Bach) says console business about to break even. The president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division has said he expects the company's console business to finally start making money next year (2008)"

Have a look at the link I posted. Hence me suggesting perhaps there is a bit of misinformation about it on the Internet. Not sure which sources to believe - actually I no longer care!

In terms of profit for the gaming division as a whole, sure. In terms of profit per unit it's been profitable for ages now.

Last I checked both Microsoft and Sony were making a small sum on each console sold.

I feel I've been pretty clear from the start. It's unlike you to miss the point, so I'll put it down to the Christmas booze ;)

[Parris]

I feel I've been pretty clear from the start. It's unlike you to miss the point, so I'll put it down to the Christmas booze ;)

And I'll put it down to not reading what other people are posting.

The Xbox 360 came out when?

It was 2005. You then posted that you had references stating that they were turning a profit by 2006. Indeed this source suggests you are correct: http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-m...-hardware.html

Or was this article just spin created by the announcement made by Microsoft in 2005 that the Xbox 360 WOULD be profitable in 2006? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051228-5862.html

Sometimes I'm not sure what is spin or fact?

I posted that Robbie Bach suggested that Xbox gaming division would be profitable in 2008. That's 2 years after your apparent reference, and 3 years after Microsoft themselves suggested it would be!

I then posted that Sony gaming division would also be turning a profit in 2008.

Barc0de suggested that recent sources suggested that Sony were still losing money on each PS3 sold to date. Which might be why this thread was created in the first place. I.e. that Microsoft could produce (and apparently profit from) a console costing a shit load less than the PS3, which was leaking like a sieve.

I have continually asked, when did the Xbox 360 (as a unit) turn a profit)) as I am simply surprised that Microsoft allegedly have, what with the huge recall of RROD and other faulty, cheap Chinese produced 360 consoles.

They plugged $1billion into that recall as far as I recall, so turning that into any kind of profit per unit was a huge uphill struggle. I am dubious that they have, but willing to believe it if I can see something official (that I don't have to pay for) given that the original Xbox didn't make any profit for almost it's entire lifespan.

Not missing anything and not on booze. I keep asking the same question, yet you keep throwing 'go find your own sources' at me.

I looked and found Robbie Bach (who better?) who appears to convey that the source you posted that Xbox have turned a profit from 2006 as incorrect, and given that it is still 2008 I can't see why you keep stating that the Xbox 360 has been profitable for ages, when it must be some point this year.

Any idea when?

This isn't a personal attack mate, it's a completely clear cut case of us being offered different information from different sources, one of which allegedly comes from the mouth of the President of Microsoft Games Division.

If nothing else it proves that information on the Internet can be misleading or misunderstood, especially as various sources grasp figures punted out by the manufacturers and come to a variety of conclusions that then become entangled in the opinion of the journalist or organisation. It looks to me as if the $1billion hit that Microsoft took on the 360 must have had a massive impact on the unit's profitability, which is a corner it may have turned. Does that make sense? Alcohol or not?

There was a great cartoon a few weeks ago that I saw. It read 'I can't come to bed right now honey, someone on the Internet is WRONG!' I am prepared to believe it could be me Alchy. I am just wondering where to go for the best information on this subject as I don't work in the industry. A novice at the helm here!

[PhreQuencYViii]

Good god Parris, have you ever written a book? lol

[Parris]

Good god Parris, have you ever written a book? lol

First rule in engagement, if you can't win, fight harder! lol ;-)

[Alchy]

I can't see why you keep stating that the Xbox 360 has been profitable for ages, when it must be some point this year.

This is the last time I'm going to say this. I was talking about Microsoft making a profit per unit sold and not a profit over the entire division. There's really no way I can simplify this any further. I know you can appreciate this distinction so I'm at a loss as to why we've had this back-and-forth over so many posts.

[Parris]

Clearly I do write too many words, so many that you don't bother reading them. Go back, have look (if you can be arsed), if you find what I have written re per unit, then come back and answer the one question I had. If not, then don't worry, it's really not all that important to either of us :banghead:

[Alchy]

Well, touché. You responded to all my (very clearly noted) claims about profitability per unit with general claims of Microsofts Xbox division's profitability. I don't think there's anything more to it than that. Go back and re-read it if you like.

[Christer-swe]

You go read my posts..!

No, you go read my posts!

No, you should read my posts!

:lol:

[graciano1337]

^^ LOL

PS awesome avatar btw.

[Parris]

Well, touché. You responded to all my (very clearly noted) claims about profitability per unit with general claims of Microsofts Xbox division's profitability. I don't think there's anything more to it than that. Go back and re-read it if you like.

LOL - I questioned them! That's all there is to it... fuck what we wrote!

Let's just forget it eh, I think we both need a little sherry and a mincemeat pie! ;-)

Merry Christmas everyone and BACK ON TOPIC!!! YAY!!!!

[Unorthodox]

My dog won the console race. The war is over. We can now carry on with our lives without worrying about sales figures. Hurray!

[Alchy]

Let's just forget it eh, I think we both need a little sherry and a mincemeat pie! ;-)

Merry Christmas everyone and BACK ON TOPIC!!! YAY!!!!

Amen to that! And Merry Christmas all. Doubt I'll be on now until the inevitable boxing day hangover, so hope you all have a good one.

[retro]

Parris,

You sound alittle bit cranky and anti microsoft in your last post? why my dear fiend?

Cranky yes, anti-Microsoft..... no!

......

Not cranky with you I assure you. Cranky in general ;-)

At least he got the fiend bit right!! :lol:

I believe you mean this:



I am beginning to think this thread is going to outlive the PS3! :crying:

[Jamtex]

Piffle the Playstation 3 is doing well and as long as it outsells the Xbox 360 in Japan and third parties sell more games on the Playstation then it will be here for a long time to come.

[rupert]

I love my PS3, I only bought it a month ago and can't fault it at all. Hopfully my GF will have got me some games for Xmas as I've completed all the ones I got with it.

I predict it will die when the 360 die's, when the next gen comes along. Unlike the PS2 which hasnt quite died even yet. maybe the wii will live on a little like the ps2 did last gen.

[andoba]

I have a PS3 and if it did crash, I wouldn't mind that much. I would be able finally to pick up all the games I want to play, because the games at the shops are all 69.95€ or 59.95€, I don't like any of the platinum games and I only find shitty second hand games. If it crashes, shops will start to clean off PS3 games quick so, I guess they would lower the prices a lot. :D

[zappenduster]

for me the ps3 feels like a neogeo all again too expensive for the massmarket

[rupert]

I love my PS3, I only bought it a month ago and can't fault it at all. Hopfully my GF will have got me some games for Xmas as I've completed all the ones I got with it.

Well she got me Burnout Paradise, Bioshock, Fallout 3, GTA IV and Dirt so that should keep me going until my birthday in June :dance:

[c_rpg]

You're forgetting the fact that there's lots of ignorant retards here in Europe who still think all consoles are called a Playstation and have never even heard of a Wii or a 360. Playstation has made its mark here in the 90's and it's very unlikely it will go away all of a sudden.

Think about it. The PS3 is the most popular console right here. Parents even buy there 8 year olds a PS3 in stead of a Wii just because they think it's the only real console on the market.

There's something horribly wrong with the way people think over here...