RGB Capable TV

[Japan-Games.com]

I was testing it out an old TV I have tonight and saw that it has RGB inputs on back. It has RGB(sp), Monitor In, and two RGB Multi Connector slots (20-pin). Isn't that pretty rare? I was going to junk it or give it away before I noticed that.

[Alchy]

Sounds like an old monitor more than a TV. Does it have RF?

[GaijinPunch]

Sure they're not 21-pin RGB? What's the size? Why not take a picture? Probably not too valuable in Japan while the CRT Wega models are still around. Large sizes with very good analogue RGB. If you don't have one, you should jab a stick up your ass or some other form of harsh punishment.

[Japan-Games.com]

Well I'll be....it is a monitor. It'a a huge 36 inch puppy that's the spitting image of a TV.

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[Japan-Games.com]

Pics.... You're right, it's 21-pin. I'm woefully ignorant about technical things...

[Barc0de]

the lower left port is the same my old RGB/TV monitor has. Although it's a much smaller screen

is that EUROSCART on a JPN tv set? O_o

[ASSEMbler]

Old school TV.


If you need a newer "TV" you can get a pro monitor they use in tv production, those are nice.

[Yakumo]

is that EUROSCART on a JPN tv set? O_o

No. In the UK there are two scarts. One is RGB (21pin RGB) which is what old Japanese TVs had and in my opinion still should have, idiots:nod: The other one on UK or Euro TVs is not RGB but looks like it is. This is what is known as a scart or the French version if I remember rightly.

Yakumo

PS: Nice monitor Eric. I'll have it if you're goingto dump it. Would go great with my older consoles.

Yakumo

[Tatsujin]

yeah. nice item there. also checking the hard offs time by time for such TVs, but wasn't that lucky up to now :/

[GaijinPunch]

No. In the UK there are two scarts. One is RGB (21pin RGB) which is what old Japanese TVs had and in my opinion still should have, idiots The other one on UK or Euro TVs is not RGB but looks like it is.

UK/Europe has SCART. Japan has 21-pin RGB. Connectors & plugs look EXACTLY the same, but they are wired differently. Don't know what that green one is. My Sony PVM had it.

Is that a Sony by any chance? If it is, it looks like the JPN equivalent of the PVM. I only remember it having ONE RGB connection though, and not two. I forgot the name of it... Pro Feel Pro I think. Something like that. The slots on the side look like speakers can be attached to them is why I ask.

Old school TV.

Does it have a tuner? If not, it's a monitor. Connecting the speakers directly to it w/ speaker wire as well pretty much give it away that it was never intended for consumer use.

If you need a newer "TV" you can get a pro monitor they use in tv production, those are nice.

And not easy to find. In Japan, by far the easiest Analogue RGB solution is the Wega. They TATE well, too! The PVM (and I assume the Japanese equivalent) do not. They also have no service menu, which makes tweaking them extremely cumbersome. They have to be pulled from the casing. Fun...electrocution.

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[Yakumo]

UK/Europe has SCART. Japan has 21-pin RGB. Connectors & plugs look EXACTLY the same, but they are wired differently.

Not entirely true. I had a Surround sound Toshiba 10 years ago when I lived in the UK. That had two plugs. One was real RGB while the other was scart. It was easy to tell as well since a PAL SNES would only work in socket 2 while the Saturn (J-NTSC) with a real RGB 21 pin plug worked the 1st socket. The picture alignment was also slightly to the left when using the RGB socket. Quite a few of the high end TVs has real RGB and a Euro scart on them.

Yakumo

[the_steadster]

No, thats not right. SCART can be wired for either S-video or RGB, but not both. Therefore your TV probably just had one SCART socket that supported S-vid, the other supported RGB.

[GaijinPunch]

Not entirely true. I had a Surround sound Toshiba 10 years ago when I lived in the UK. That had two plugs. One was real RGB while the other was scart. It was easy to tell as well since a PAL SNES would only work in socket 2 while the Saturn (J-NTSC) with a real RGB 21 pin plug worked the 1st socket. The picture alignment was also slightly to the left when using the RGB socket. Quite a few of the high end TVs has real RGB and a Euro scart on them.

Yakumo

What do you mean by "real RGB"? There really is no real RGB connection. Scart isn't, 21-pin isn't... they just happen to carry RGB signals. I think it's safe to say the most common form of RGB in Europe is SCART though.

[Yakumo]

No, thats not right. SCART can be wired for either S-video or RGB, but not both. Therefore your TV probably just had one SCART socket that supported S-vid, the other supported RGB.

That seems odd though since the TV also has 2 S-video inputs. This is what it had on the back

4 sets of coposite with stereo inputs
2 S-video inputs
1 RGB 21pin (shiffted the picture to the left a little)
1 Scart (The Saturn would look back & white through this)
RF input

On the front it had another S-Video and a set of composite inputs. The two inputs on the back that looked like Scarts were nott he same type of input because if they were all my Japanese NTSC stuff that I used 21 pin connectors for would run perfectly in both inputs but they didn't. They'd only work in 1 while running black & white in the other. The TV was fully NTSC compatable as well as PAL.

What do you mean by "real RGB"? There really is no real RGB connection.

Ah, what I mean is that it was a 21pin wired to give RGB. In Europe there's also a cable that looks like a 21 pin scart but when you onpen it up only a few pins are connected to anything. These give a composite style image. Nintendo used to have this box which at one end had composite inputs while the other fitted in to the Scart on your TV. These were very common but the quality was turd.

Yakumo

[opethfan]

Scart in Europe can output RGB, but only some consoles and DVD players do in reality. Most Scart cables (and TVs) only accept the composite video pin, so all that RGB goodness is lost. There is s-video as well, but it's rarely used. Those boxes Yakumo mentions just pass through the composite. Some of the connectors on those boxes only have 3 or 4 pins, to cut costs even more.

[TheDeathcoaster]

SCART Can carry true RGB. Most Euro TVs have the ability to switch modes between RGB or S-Video depending on the signal recieved over the SCART cable.

So it is true that SCART itself cannot carry both signals at once, but a TV can have a SCART socket that operates as either RGB or Composite or S-Video.

I can vouch for this, as both my TVs have RGB Enabled Scart sockets, but also accept S-Video over SCART and Composite over SCART.

Info on SCART can be found here, to back it up.

The confusion stems from the JPN 21-PIN RGB, that is also an RGB format, but totally different wiring.

See here for details to compare.

[Taucias]

I have two Scart cables for my PS1 - a composite and an RGB one. Both work on the same Scart port and both give different results. The RGB one is definitely RGB output. As deathcoaster states, some Televisions can switch between the two on scart, either automatically or through a menu option.

[sayin999]

Question is, why wasn't rgb supported in the U.S. like it was in japan and europe?

[Barc0de]

RGB was supported in the USA, just not for home systems i think. FCC standards to avoid confusion with YPrPb devices?

[Yakumo]

Here's a better question. Why did NEC made the PC Engine none RGB standard when even a bloody Master System can give out RGB. The mind boggles to why companies make piss poor composite outs on their consoles.

Yakumo