So did you hear?? Iraq is now a self sovereign nation...

[madhatter256]

Secret meetings between Iraqs new government and our own took place and they agreed to hand over power two days earlier to throw off potential saboteurs that would've sabatoged the June 30th deadline. Support for Bush went up a few percentages according to my News station. Originally it was 54% in favor of bush and 46% against Bush. It went up to 58% for those in favor, this was a local poll btw, not a national one.

Anyway, Iraq plans on imposing martial law to thwart opposition forces and oust that guy in Fallujah as well as other martial law related stuff in order to improve security and show to the rest of the ME region that democracy can relish in that region.

[kstyle25]

woohoo!!! now I can't wait until we give 'em Hussein and let them get their closure by giving him the harshest punishment under THEIR power....wish we had some members from Iraq on the board...that would be interesting to get their take on a chance at democracy at long last.. :smt023

[Calpis]

I hope you're sarcastic.

[GaijinPunch]

I wish we could've given them freedom without without killing/disfiguring so many citizens, and pissing off all of our allies, save the UK, in the process.

There's several hunderd 18-22 year old soldiers that I don't think should've died as well.

Worth the price? I'm not to say, but I am to say that the way we went about the whole thing was PHUKT UP!

[Greatsaintlouis]

Hear, hear. I second that. It needed to happen, but not in the way that it did.

[ASSEMbler]

It'll be, oh... two weeks before they kill the president of iraq.
Unless he stays in a bank vault he's doomed.

What they really need is it convince the people to rat out all the
foreign fighters. But that won't happen until we leave.

[madhatter256]

It needed to happen and I think it would've been worse if we ousted Hussein a few years later.

[LeGIt]

Saddam was still nowhere near half as much of a threat as North Korea though (also note they didn't find weapons in Iraq yet there ARE in North Korea)- IMO Bush is full of shazbot - the war (if you could even call it that ....) was good for the economy,morale and his opinion polls -_- Since his war on terror, the number of terrorist attacks has tripled. Granted the criminals of 9/11 needed to be brought to justice, but they didn't even finish off Afghanistan before taking to Iraq. Bin Laden is still roaming around the mountains and after years of looking you would think the search parties would have a better chance of finding him running around blindfolded. Fair enough Saddam was torturing people, but it was in HIS country with HIS laws and who are we to impose our ways on others? What people do in their own back yard is their own business.

[Evangelion-01]

i think osama is in pakistan and is well protected, but america cant do shit in pakistan coz they suply them oil from iran, because iran wont sell them oil, so iran sells to pakistan and pakistan to america, my friend's dad is some top guy on the oil bussiness in iran and he told me all about it.

[supersonic87]

it's not just Iran, I think every oil producing country in the world sells to the us directly or indirectly, the whole us economy is built on oil exports, and its products, thats why the ''war'' in Iraq was such a big thing for Bush, another oil producing ally, and cheaper oil, which should strengthen the economy. The economy is really the only thing Bush has screwed up for the long term.

[ASSEMbler]

Oh yeah, osama is in Pakistan.

Pakistan is the next country to self destruct because
of extremists.

[kstyle25]

Legit its opinions like: what he does in his own back yard isn't my concern:, that makes the world a hard place...if you looked next door and your neighbor was in "his back yard" beating his kids and burying his guests in a mass graveyard would you look the other way...hopefully not...you'd find a way to bring it to a stop for humanities sake...after you've beaten the crap out of your neighbor and ousted him from his house you turn the keys over to the family and tell them its theres to feel safe in again and to let you know if they need any help in the future....glad I don't live in your neighborhood. :Hangman:

[Paulo]

Legit its opinions like: Kstyles load of tosh

No its like whats the point in beating up the kid who steals lunch money when you should be really beating up the guy dealing the drugs at the school gates...

The one who can do real harm and is a big threat should be dealt with. Not go after the little guy because you can take him on and it takes away attention from the druggy...

[LeGIt]

The other thing I find odd is the new Iraq government putting Saddam on trial - granted he did some nasty shazbot but ... he did all that stuff before the current administration & laws existed ... so how can he be trialed by them? Technically whilst being locked up by U.S. Forces he hasn't committed a crime since the new Iraqi government & laws have been in place, so there is no crime they can trial him for :smt022

[GaijinPunch]

The economy is really the only thing Bush has screwed up for the long term.

This is joke, right?

[Greatsaintlouis]

I was gonna say, there's a lot more than just the economy to worry about when all this mess clears....

And Legit, they aren't trying him in a normal criminal court, he's being tried for war crimes, which is possible in every country that is a member of the United Nations. Technically, if someone wanted to, I thought I heard something about how Bush could be tried for war crimes as well with the whole unauthorized invasion of Iraq - I wonder if anyone is ever going to push this?

[madhatter256]

The funny thing is. The war wasn't unauthorized. Based on technicality in the last Security Council votes. If Saddam didn't co-operated with UN inspector and let them visit every single warehouse and do some very vital tests that does pinpoint if there is "something bad" in there, then Military action will be done to force Sadam to give up his WMDs EVEN if it meant in dismanteling his government system. After we invade and the US scoured every nook and cranny, except the dessert in the middle of nowhere where there is a stockpile of WMDs (how do you think the insurgents are getting their weapons?), we said that Sadam didn't have any WMDs as we said they did in that big UN presentation. So now the US is stuck with Iraq and democracy will end up all over ME.

You guys also have to think of the War on Terrorism as the Cold War.

During the Cold War, there was first the Korean War (the forgotten war as some say it). After that there was the Cuban Missile Crisis. Soon afterwards there was the Vietnam War (the shameful war because US didn't have a good reason for fighting). After the Vietnam war the cold war was fought politically.

Now here's the thing. Switch the Korean war with the war in Afghanistan because we sorta forgot about that country.. Switch the Cuban Missile Crisis with the UN inspections. and switch Vietnam with the Invasion of Iraq cuz once you get down to it, it was a war we didnt need to fight, it just brought home bodies of soldiers to their mothers and killed innocent people. So basically, in about 20years from now, the War on Terrorism will be over :smt040 . But there wont be any big wars like the war In iraq afte this one. Because the democracy in heart of middle east will affect every other nation next to it.

Now, here come north korea. Hopefully, China, RUssia, and Japan will diplomatically put N. Korea back into its place, and let the government topple within itself. As for Cuba, 2 more years, castro is dead and US begins helping it establish a new government but not as a high frequency as it is doing in Iraq.

[Metal_4evr]

The idea of them hidden in the desert is completly illogical. If they have them in a store house in the desert don't you think they would have attempted to use them by now? They have nothing left to lose and it's been clearly demonstrated that they are willing to give their lives without hesitation.

On a side note why would you want to think of it as the Cold War? The reason we have so many WMD's floating around IS the Cold War.

There is no technicality because the UN changed their mind specifically said that they would not authorize it.

[ASSEMbler]

BTW boys and girls I am closing this topic. It'll be endless.