Community Release: Sonic Xtreme

[ASSEMbler]

Update follows below.

Please read carefully.

1. This is unrelated to the previous sale. The game for offer is in no way similar to the version seen before.

Next.

Please read each word carefully.

This is not yet a formal sale.

I am fielding interest in a release of the game. Given what was paid, it would be about $60 per person to even hope to reach a break even point.

Please not I said field. Not, "The paypal lines are open and waiting"

This version is near complete.I will clarify. It's more than just a tech demo. However, there is no music. Read that again. Music. Perhaps we can fix this.

If you're interested PM me, and if we can get enough people to support, it goes to release.

I have chosen to go the PM route due to the fact that we practically get slashdotted daily, and I don't want half of the twelve year olds in north america bothering me ( should say, the OTHER half currently not bothering me).

-ASSEMbler

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Update

Please read this carefully.

My client was warned ahead of time that a large amount of attention would be
created by said sale. Even through a third party buffer (myself) was in place,
the seller feels uncomfortable and fears for their job and has therefore
instructed me to sell the item to the current highest single bidder.

Why?

The bidder does not wish to release and values privacy.

The seller has lost interest in a larger more drawn out effort as it
may constitute large scale piracy.

I respect the wishes of all of my confidential clients.
I do not second guess them, apply pressure or make decisions for them.

I had attempted to keep a further 24 hour window open but the client declined.

Therefore this sale is closed.

All I will say from a personal point of view is this: Such a high profile item will inevitably surface for the every day man to experience.

On another note, the unreleased acclaim n64 / 64DD game release is on
target, and unlike this item, it will be completely free. You can read about that effort here (showthread.php?t=8988).

[ASSEMbler]

Anyone not a forum member as of 3 /8/ 06 price is $75.

[Dot50Cal]

Count me in. I should add, Will this be a pressed disc release to those paying?

[Adol]

Count me in as well!

[Carnivol]

Another hand in the air over here, so count me in too.

And oh, yeah, as Doy50Cal says too, will there be a pressed disc of sorts evt. for payers ?

[wheelaa]

PM'ed (with pleasure).

And as I said in my pm..if you struggle to find enough interest (unlilely I hope) I am happy to chip in a few factors more than $60

[Yakumo]

PM sent !! I'm well in for this and as for adding music, that shouldn't be much of a problem depending on what the game is set up to read (CDDA, WAV, PCM, ADX).

Yakumo

[wombat]

The holy grail for Sonic fans, and hey that includes me :). So yeah count me in aswell. PM is on its way

[Micjohvan]

I dont mean to sound like a n00b but will the cd the game comes on play on a retail american saturn or will it have to be chipped to play it? If it will play on a american console I may be interested.

[Szczepaniak]

This is going to sound stupid, so please forgive my ignorance, I did read the topic clearly. I also wasn't here for any previous related topics, I assume this is the second.

But this is the Saturn version, correct? I only ask, since according those behind the game, there were multiple versions in development, the PC version of which came painfully close to completion...

[sabre470]

This is going to sound stupid, so please forgive my ignorance, I did read the topic clearly. I also wasn't here for any previous related topics, I assume this is the second.

But this is the Saturn version, correct? I only ask, since according those behind the game, there were multiple versions in development, the PC version of which came painfully close to completion...

If you read carefully Assembler's post you can deduct it by yourself!!! A hint "let's try this again!!!"

I thought we were only supposed to use PM to express interest?:shrug:

Sabre

[wheelaa]

My reading of it was to pm to express interest, as opposed to say an email, aim or whatever. Posting here keeps the topic visible though as I don't see that it is stickied.

Edit...lol..286 people reading this forum..presumably this thread!

[Fabrizo]

this is the Saturn version, correct? I only ask, since according those behind the game, there were multiple versions in development, the PC version of which came painfully close to completion...

"This version is near complete" - ASSEMbler

The Saturn version never got anywhere even remotly close to completion (based on everything i've read), so this would have to be the PC one.

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Several tracks were made for the game, and can easily be found online. We could probably get music for just about every stage actualy. Their is the possibility however that the copy isn't simply missing the audio files, but has no code whatsoever to run them. Without more info from ASSEMbler on the issue though, its probably not worth putting much thought into at this point.

[HXC]

Hell. There was never a copy anywhere near complete, in all honesty, unless it was completed afterward.

I am intrested but would kinda need to know a couple of things before saying I will pay...

Basically, if its for PC or for saturn, and is it the fisheye lense build, with the quite strange camera?

Edit: Can I also ask about the community release procedure?

Do only the paying members get a copy of the game, or do they pay, get a copy, then it is released for all?

Also, PLEASE don't put music in, keep it perfect to the original if possible.

[Fabrizo]

Also, PLEASE don't put music in, keep it perfect to the original if possible.

I'd assume their would be dual releases, or a patching system for those that wanted it in its original form, and those that wanted it updated.

[Borisz]

Would "community release" mean that it gets dumped in bincue, or will it just get hoarded out of existence by the first freak who is stupid enough to wave 3000$ for a two-level prototype? Because as far as I know, the game never went as far as being "near-complete".

Perhaps some pics would be nice.

[Alchy]

Would "community release" mean that it gets dumped in bincue, or will it just get hoarded out of existence by the first freak who is stupid enough to wave 3000$ for a two-level prototype? What does the term "community release" suggest to you? Is it likely that people would pay $60 so that someone else could hoard it away?

Don't mean to be sarcastic, but it's kind of an obvious one.

[karsten]

pics and infos could be nice

[Sally]

And the other shoe drops... not really a big surprise that the recient media coverage unearthed more copies of this game... there's no such thing as "one-of-a-kind" software...

[LocalH]

I'd assume their would be dual releases, or a patching system for those that wanted it in its original form, and those that wanted it updated.
That could be done after the fact. I recommend that the community release be an unmodified BIN/CUE (maybe hex edit the BIN to insert "ASSEMbler" somewhere in some empty space, such that "ROM kiddies" get the tagged version, and any person with some technical knowledge can hex edit that out and get a 100% unmodified version).

[rika_chou]

More info please.

I'm not going to dish out money for something that I don't know anything about.

[PhantasyStar]

More info please.

I'm not going to dish out money for something that I don't know anything about.

There is plenty of info about the Sonic Xtreme demo around the board. Just do a search and you should find what you are looking for.

[LocalH]

But ASSEMbler said that it wasn't the same demo, so that wouldn't help that much, would it?

[mgsegasaturn]

Count me in. Ready to order...

[ICEknight]

There is plenty of info about the Sonic Xtreme demo around the board. Just do a search and you should find what you are looking for.
This can't be the same thing, according to what Assembler said:

This version is near complete. However, there is no music.

[Qjimbo]

Sounds interesting, I look forward to hearing more details about this.

[PhantasyStar]

But ASSEMbler said that it wasn't the same demo, so that wouldn't help that much, would it?



This can't be the same thing, according to what Assembler said:

I'm talking about Sonic Xtreme in general.

[Sally]

lol at the main page:


Welcome our newest member, Ionlyjoinedforsonicxtreme (http://member.php?u=1804)

Out of curiosity, if we donate do we get a disc (burned or otherwise), or just the password to download the file?

If we get a disc, i'll toss in the cash. If it's just a download link, i'm out.

[ICEknight]

Rika_chou was obviously speaking of this specific version. I'd also like to know more details if I was going to spend my money.

[mgsegasaturn]

I agree. I'm no techy geek by any means, so if it isn't burned on a disk and shipped to me.....i'm out as well. A nice case with inserts and a manual with artwork would be nice too, but i'm probaley pushing my luck now.

[Qjimbo]

I'm talking about Sonic Xtreme in general.
Yeah but you said "the Sonic Xtreme demo", not "Sonic Xtreme" Which is kinda misleading... In any case we really know nothing about this peticular demo, not that I don't trust assembler, just I think people are making the right choice waiting before deciding on anything and shouldn't feel comfortable before putting any money on the table, it's not like they're being stupid or anything.

[Dot50Cal]

60 Dollars really isnt that much. What more do you need to know? Its Sonic Xtreme :lol: . kevin wouldnt mess around on something like this. I cant beleive how stingy some people are here. What the hell? Its 60 dollars to get a community release of a beta....Would it be the same way for Biohazard 1.5?!? Where is the Sonic community on this? I thought for sure this would have been wrapped up by the time I woke up but its not even 1/3rd of the way there.

[Fabrizo]

Its Sonic Adventure.

....It is?

[Dot50Cal]

..I just woke up...so uh....yeah. I just mistook Half-Life 1 for Half-Life 2. Im not right currently.

[ASSEMbler]

Cass the poffee

So far I have 17 PMs so sonic fans are failing spectaculary.

[Segafreak_NL]

PM send. -fill-

[rika_chou]

I really don't see why there isn't more details available. Even the most basic details (Saturn or PC?, how many levels?) are unknown.

Just tell me that, and you can count me in.

[wheelaa]

17 pms! Even if its a 30 second demo its worth a squirt people. Or all you all waiting for the free version? Won't happen if there's not enough to get it off the ground to begin with will it.

[ASSEMbler]

"This is not yet a formal sale."

"If you're interested PM me, and if we can get enough people it go to release."

This is basic reading.
It's in giant bold COLORED text.
It's also spaced so you have to pause mentally to get to the next line.

To quote ripley from aliens: "Did IQs sharply drop while I was away?"

[Sally]

Please read each word carefully.OR I WILL RAPE YOU.

:lol:

oh, and paypal sent...

[rika_chou]

"This is not yet a formal sale."

"If you're interested PM me, and if we can get enough people it go to release."

This is basic reading.
It's in giant bold COLORED text.
It's also spaced so you have to pause mentally to get to the next line.

To quote ripley from aliens: "Did IQs sharply drop while I was away?"









If I PM you, is that a comintment to send $60?

[TheRedEye]

Cass the poffee

So far I have 17 PMs so sonic fans are failing spectaculary.

So just to get this straight, the fact that people aren't throwing themselves at your heels and pledging $60 sight unseen for something that, as far as research has shown, doesn't exist, means that they're "failing spectacularly?"

Based on your description, for all I know this is something a 16-year-old made in VB.

But...I know and trust you, so PM is coming!

[Sally]

So just to get this straight, the fact that people aren't throwing themselves at your heels and pledging $60 sight unseen for something that, as far as research has shown, doesn't exist, means that they're "failing spectacularly?"

Based on your description, for all I know this is something a 16-year-old made in VB.

But...I know and trust you, so PM is coming!

Eh, what do you know about sonic Xtreme? :110:

[Dot50Cal]

Kevin asked me to clarify here so:

This topic only serves as a way to see if there is any interest in a community dump. He will not reveal any more information about the build until enough interest is shown to satisfy him.

[Sally]

Might want to pop this on the main page if you're looking for a massive response...

EDIT: Damn, only 17 people at $60 each? That's only $1020 for a "prototype" sight unseen... that's almost half of what the last guy got for a Sonic Xtreme proto, and this time, there isn't so much as a platform listed, let alone a screenshot... What kind of response is the "seller" looking for? So far, the response seems more than reasonable...

I'm not in a bad mood today, i swear...

[ASSEMbler]

I don't want a mass of people from news sites, I want people who know what the deal is with something like this.

[KaL_YoshiKa]

I'm not sending a PM yet, I don't really have the cash to just throw money around, it's not a trust issue though. For example, I personally don't own a Saturn so even though speculation says otherwise I have to wait until a little more information is released.

I also suspect that many people are holding out for more details like me.

[ASSEMbler]

At this point given the response I will entertain offers from individuals as the community thing doesn't seem to be working at all.

[Dot50Cal]

You can get a Saturn afterwords or by the time this actually completes. Its not like they are Katanas you know. Anyone with a job whos a member here should be jumping on this. Where has the passion gone for unreleased games?

[rika_chou]

At this point given the response I will entertain offers from individuals as the community thing doesn't seem to be working at all.
Perhaps it would work better, and get a better response, if there were more details about it?

Meh. I know I shouldn't bother.

[Sally]

$1200 bucks in 12 hours isn't too bad a response... It might take people some time to evaluate their finances. i'd give it a few days before you give up. Unless the seller demands the money by tomorrow or something?

[Dot50Cal]

I think its more the fact that support has tappered off since then. The first 17 was raised fairly quickly. Since then its been null. Its sad to see it come to this but hopefully someone from here can scoop it up.

[madhatter256]

Thanks for screwing it up guys. $60 was reasonable until now. I just found out about this thread and its already 3 pages long. I'm sure this will show up on slashdot in the next few days. oh boy, here we go again.

back on topic.

Assembler, please bear with us and ignore those who just joined just so they can get a copy of this and are pestering you with questions trying to get a deal.


How many people do you need to chip-in in order to do a community release?

And for those wondering what "version" this might be, well it could be 2 out of 3 versions as far as I know. That's all i'm gonna say.

Other than that, IM me at mdhtter256, just log under a different name. There are many things I need to talk to you about.

I'm gonna send you a PM to show you that I am interested in chipping in for the release!

[KaL_YoshiKa]

Yeah, I'm of the mind that the reason the other previous demo had so much interest was the fact that there was photos of it, which spurred a kind of primal desire in the community. It made it more real I think, I'm not saying you should but at least give the community some time to realise what they'll be missing before just selling this away to a hoarder.

[Dot50Cal]

All this is just proving that releasing 1.5 is futile. If the Sonic fans cant muster up then how on earth can the RE ones?

[KaL_YoshiKa]

Don't give up hope so quickly :P.

[rika_chou]

All this is just proving that releasing 1.5 is futile. If the Sonic fans cant muster up then how on earth can the RE ones?Well, to be perfecally fair, news of this really hasn't gotten to many Sonic fans.

[madhatter256]

This is basic reading.
It's in giant bold COLORED text.
It's also spaced so you have to pause mentally to get to the next line.




Thank you for thinking of me.... I will think before I post ;).

[Blur2040]

Well, to be perfecally fair, news of this really hasn't gotten to many Sonic fans.

Disclaimer: No offense to the Sonic community, because most of you (at least the ones we get over here) are really nice guys...

But remember what happened last time the wrong Sonic fan got involved?

[madhatter256]

Disclaimer: No offense to the Sonic community, because most of you (at least the ones we get over here) are really nice guys...

But remember what happened last time the wrong Sonic fan got involved?

Please lets not dig up old wounds....http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/images/smilies/022.gif

[madhatter256]

Well the Chris Senn just found out about this...

http://www.senntient.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000047.html

[Dot50Cal]

Haha he doubts the legitimacy without even knowing who Assembler is. Looks like hes trying to collect info on him as well :lol: Bitter dev anyone?

[madhatter256]

Haha he doubts the legitimacy without even knowing who Assembler is. Looks like hes trying to collect info on him as well :lol: Bitter dev anyone?

And he was the lead artist/designer lol..

Well I submitted my pledge that I will help out. Now to just sit back and watch the drama unfold....

[Nack the Weasel]

You know you *might* get more of a response if you'd actually give evidence you have what you say you have, rather than asking people to just throw money at you for nothing.

Seriously, 17 people at $60 each is amazing, especially considering you've shown nothing. At all.

So stop whining about how the Sonic community has 'failed spectacularly' because they won't hurl money at your feet when nobody has any real idea what they're getting...

What's the point of holding out like that, anyway? You do realize it only makes you come off as extremely elitist, snobby, and an overall jerk, right? It wouldn't be hurting you at all to release screenshots, videos, *something* that proves you have what you say you have, and that it is also anything like what people are expecting.

Right now this sounds like a scam. It may not be, but you can't expect people to rely on your word alone, especially when so much money is involved, and your word is simply an unknown person from a forum.

And that's what it is. You shouldn't expect more, these forums are self proclaimed 'obscure', and yet you think your word should be enough to reach out to the entire internet and everyones wallet?

You're crazy. Now cough up some evidence, and *then* if you don't get any responses, moan about Sonic community failing.

[Blur2040]

Right now this sounds like a scam. It may not be, but you can't expect people to rely on your word alone, especially when so much money is involved, and your word is simply an unknown person from a forum.


::looks at ASSEMBler's name, look's at name of the site::

It's freaking Assembler. He's run this website in some form for many many years. I can think of only a few people who MIGHT have bigger collections of rare, obscure, and unreleased video game items. Look around the website. See all the fancy devkits? Unreleased games? He owns them. Do you think it's soooo impossible that he might have access to a copy of Sonic Xtreme?



So just to get this straight, the fact that people aren't throwing themselves at your heels and pledging $60 sight unseen for something that, as far as research has shown, doesn't exist, means that they're "failing spectacularly?"

Based on your description, for all I know this is something a 16-year-old made in VB.

But...I know and trust you, so PM is coming!


That's how I look at it. It's ASSEMbler. He knows his shit.

I understand your skepticism at this point...but he never said he'd sell it without showing anything, he said he just wanted to see the interest. He asked who would pay for a copy of Sonic Xtreme if he could produce it. He's not asking for you to give him sixty dollars right now...

[Nack the Weasel]

Ah, the almighty Assembler. That means nothing to me, as similarly I don't expect the name Llamaguy to mean anything to you, no matter what achievements he has made.

What HAS happened here, is that Assembler has made an outrageous offer, and has refused to back it up with pictures, videos, screenshots, anything at all; despite that he obviously *could*.

This is akin to people whoring topics for posts before they post more of a story they created. That kind of crap disgusts me; this even more because he's *gotten* people to abide by his demands, and offer him money, yet he still complains.

..And why? What does he gain by refusing to give evidence? He'd have the entire Sonic community at his feet if he'd make this look a little more legit, and show people what they'd be paying for. By stubbornly refusing to show anything, he's severely cutting the support he'll get.

I don't need to tell you Sonic Extreme excites me, after all it is a game Nack was supposed to have a major appearance in...but I'm no fool. I've been around and seen all kinds of things like this fall through, and not work out. Things that actually *had* evidence behind them, yet here I'm supposed to go on a guys word alone?

[ASSEMbler]

I've recieved a very good offer from a collector. I'll give another 24 hour period and then compare the results (people who are interested versus offer).

[Carnivol]

What HAS happened here, is that Assembler has made an outrageous offer, and has refused to back it up with pictures, videos, screenshots, anything at all; despite that he obviously *could*.

Maybe it's because I don't speak English by native tongue or something, but I honestly don't see where you got that from.
What I see in this topic is more or less a simple marketting poll thingy:

"would you be interested in product X, yes/no ?"

Where product X = Sonic Xtreme, at cost $60, with a goal of getting 50xYes from the market group targetted, where either the probability of product launch for public will increase more, based on amount of "yes", or evt. price would drop for each single paying/donating/whatever individual if the amount of 50 is crossed.

Besides, I see nowhere where he says he refuses to hold back media/proof as soon as enough interest is shown for the "product".

[edit]
And just as my mind rolled back on what I wrote, I see I could probably add a little more of what this looks like:


It's either:
Community shares the expenses for what this originaly cost to get ahold of and gets what's probably the most 'complete' (yet incomplete) version available/possible of Sonic Xtreme


Or:
Private collector with money gets Sonic Xtreme, along with the bragging rights, and most likely keeps it on his shelf for all eternity 'til his disc stops working and his HD with a backup stops spinning.

[rika_chou]

Sent my PM already. Nothing I can do now but wait and hope.

[DeadperfecT]

Status update: We're at 30, half way there. We need more interest... you've got nothing to lose by saying you're interested.

[Szczepaniak]

I've visited this site for some time now, and on occasion spoken with ASSEMbler. He is a leading authority on such things and without doubt someone with more than enough good reputation to be implcitly trusted. Proof or no proof. He has also been extremely altruistic and humble regarding this site and various goings on, and has always been happy to speak with members and answer questions. I for one am in his debt for the information he happily shared.

Of course if you've only come to this forum for Sonic Xtreme, then you might not realise the good nature of the long term members here.


More importantly, didn't ASSEMbler say a while ago that he wasn't well, due to overwork and stress? And yet he still decides to act as mediary for an unreleased game, which when there was a demo previously, resulted in near chaos because of people's hysteria?

That's a brave thing to do, and quite honourable. Since I'm sure if he'd wanted to, he could have avoided moutains of stress and privately sold it to a known collector, without even telling anyone. And yet people show animosity because of this public showing of good will? To be honest, I don't know why he puts himself through such hassle.

But I'm thankful none the less, and appreciate these things being offered to the community.

Here's hoping this all turns out well.

Come on guys, show some support!

[sabre470]

It's always sad to see good ideas being bashed away, come on Kevin is not obliged to get the thing released, $60 per person is nothing, if it gets in the hand of another collector there's 99.99% you'll never see this ever.

Just think about it, in your little heads!!! (at least for 2 seconds) I think after years Kevin has been running the site and forums for us, a little bit of trust from everyone is the minimum we could offer him!!! Right?

There's always a lot of people claiming they know shit loads about Sonic Xtreme on the web, well Kevin seems to be deep in this industry, so if he says he has a proto of Sonic Xtreme it's because he has.

So stop being little chickens...please...

Sabre

[Hawanja]

PM sent, I hope we come up with the cash, becasue I want to play this to see what all the commotion is about. Like Hatter said, give it a few days at least. I only just saw this thread now and it's already four pages long, I'm sure within the next few days most of the other regular members will get in touch.

BTW Assmbler, thanks for thinking of us (your members) when it came to this game. It doesn't come accross much, but we appreciate the trouble you and others on the site go through to obtain and release this stuff so we can have a piece of it. At least I do.

To the noobs who registered just to fuck up yet another Sonic release, and all the people talking shit about us on other boards:

Look people, I know you really, really, really like Sonic the Hedgehog. But like it seems to me that whenever we get close to getting a copy of this game (or any other unreleased holy grail for that matter ) released in some fashion you people decend like a plauge of locusts and cause all this drama. We almost had it last time till you people came in and fucked it up. This board has a reputation for being the "nice" video-game related board, but let me tell you dumbasses something - If it was my board I would have shut the thing down a long time ago, becasue of you fucking people keep ruining it for everybody! Do you have something to contribute to the conversation? Do you have some piece of super secret info that we need to know? No? Then shut the fuck up. Stalk the thread, read it to see what's happening, but cut it the fuck out with your speculating.

Like this asshole, Knack the weasel:


You know you *might* get more of a response if you'd actually give evidence you have what you say you have, rather than asking people to just throw money at you for nothing.

Who invited your goldbrickin' ass to the conversation? If you were a part of the community and not some punk who registered just becasue he thought he could get his greedy hands on a copy of Sonic Extreme you'd know that the people here hold honesty above everything else. The members of this board hold each other to a higher standard. We do not rip each other off. We don't make claims behind crap that we do not have. We do not treat other people like everyone else on the fucking internet treats people, i.e. like shit. But everytime something like this happens you bastards show up out of nowhere and monkey wrench it all to hell. So fuck all of you, we don't need to prove anything to you people.

I'm sick and tired of you little bitches screwing up our business. You want a copy of this game? Then keep your fucking nose out of the deal until it goes through! Register to the board and contribute to the discussion. Get a healthy amount of posts under your belt. Then maybe when you've earned the trust of the other members they might decide to let you in the next time a proto comes around.

God damn I hate people.

Mods, feel free to delete this post if you think it goes too far. Last thing we need is another flame war.

[liquitt]

Amen to Hawanja's posting.
Sad to see this getting fucked up...although i wish all those nice people here (most of them long-time members) paying for this and really wanting the game the best of luck to get this done!

[ASSEMbler]

It seems there's a lot of fallout already. Some of it quite nasty, just like the last auction.

[sabre470]

It seems there's a lot of fallout already. Some of it quite nasty, just like the last auction.

Maybe new registrations should be restricted while doing these kind of exercises that would prevent any intruder to mess around.

We are a community of unreleased game fans and this kind of things should posivitely received. If you are in the business of criticizing this kind of events then you maybe are in the wrong forum.

Sabre

[wheelaa]

I'm relatively new here, and whilst Hawanjas language is perhaps a little fruitful for me so early in the day (jk) his sentiments are spot on.

I've come across nothing but open friendly trusting souls here, who are prepared to share info/finds etc. I hope this potential doesn't get flushed like a stale turd bacause others don't appreciate the vibe. If I was behind this I wouldn't put up with any crap such as I'm reading here. Some of you people should be ashamed.

(OT slightly..but perhaps in general someone, Assembler maybe, could get together a list of members here who would be interested in any form of dump for any potential title on any system. That way at least a pool of members could be readily identified if anything like this was ever mooted again, which might make it easier and more pleasant to pursue. Just a thought)

[ASSEMbler]

Please read this carefully.

My client was warned ahead of time that a large amount of attention would be
created by said sale. Even through a third party buffer (myself) was in place,
the seller feels uncomfortable and fears for their job and has therefore
instructed me to sell the item to the current highest single bidder.

Why?

The bidder does not wish to release and values privacy.

The seller has lost interest in a larger more drawn out effort as it
may constitute large scale piracy.

I respect the wishes of all of my confidential clients.
I do not second guess them, apply pressure or make decisions for them.

I had attempted to keep a further 24 hour window open but the client declined.

Therefore this sale is closed.

All I will say from a personal point of view is this: Such a high profile item will inevitably surface for the every day man to experience.

On another note, the unreleased acclaim n64 / 64DD game release is on
target, and unlike this item, it will be completely free. You can read about that effort here (http://assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8988).

[Warakia]

This seems crazy to me, I jumped at this and I don't see why people are holding back.

Basically you register interest on the premise that -
A - What ASSEMbler has said thus far is true
B - That when the details are released they will be worth shelling out some cash for.

It is only 60 dollars. I spent that yesterday on a good lunch! It is hardly a big deal considering what this could potentially turn out to be.

Now I have a lot of questions about this, but they can wait. For now it is about pulling together and getting something released we all want to see. Anyway why the hell should ASSEMbler be out of pocket for something he does not have to share? He has been kind enough to give us a good chance that we would never usually have been given - lets not mess this up, or let others mess it up for us.

EDIT - posted just as ASSEMbler did...

[Rlan]

The problem isn't that we can trust Assembler, it's if we could trust the SELLER himself.

Both I and RedEye got e-mails of the original demo seller when he wished to sell the demo, or see what he wanted to do with it. Both of us pushed him to at least give us a picture of the demo [which he did], and eventually sent a very few of us a video of the demo in action [which has yet to be released. Doesn't Assembler have a disc with the Images / Videos from the winner on it?]. Once the demo became public knowledge, we were able to mention that we did infact have proof of this demo, and detailed what the demo was, and how much of it was there [ie; very little :P]

Now Assembler here came out with this topic where the only thing known is that the game is Sonic X-Treme, has no music, and is near completion.

This is highly skeptical, especially to Secret Sonic fans, because Chris Senn [Art Director of the game nad basically played HUGE parts in it's production, and was there when it died], has clearly stated that a near-complete version NEVER existed. He has also released a HUGE amount of Temp music which he wrote for a multitude of levels, so why would there be NO music? Even the incredibly early Sonic demo had music from Sonic X-Treme.

Furthermore, Assembler himself never mentioned that HE has seen any proof of this, and unlike the original demo sale, has nobody else to back up the claim. With the original demo, I was able to pull together a few "higher ups" in the Sonic Secrets community to show proof that it was real.

This process ended up getting over $2000 in donations, headed up by other people in the community. If the seller could possibly give an OUNCE of worth to it, you would see a hell of a lot more interest in the subject. Level names, moves, length, SOMETHING! Currently nobody wants to put down cash for what is essentially nothing at this point.

This was the wrong way to do this.

[ASSEMbler]

It didn't collect a dime yet to clarify.

If a post saying "hey pm me if you're interested!" is too hard to figure out, then
I don't know what will work.

The step after getting sixty people to pm me would have been the release of
the pictures and video to that small group.

But we never got there. This thread has 1800 views yet we only got 30 people to
actually pm me. I wasn't even asking for money. Just a PM of interest.

Why was it done this way?

If media and pictures were posted it would have:

1. Crashed the server
2. Slashdotted us into oblivion
3. Created a giant shitstorm (a bigger one if you could imagine)
4. Drawn too much attention

So I figured, I'll put it in forum, limit it to the first 60 people who send me a pm,
and then send out the info.

Read. Pm.

That's all. No complex equations, no flash puzzles, no navajo texts.

Read. Pm.

This isn't QVC home shopping with sonic xtreme on a rotating platter.

I'll call Japan on a 1% chance of getting something rare. The fact that you wouldn't even
pm me on a chance of getting sonic x (set up by the site admin of the only site to ever have a copy no less) makes me laugh.

I guess that's why I have all the goodies and you have a forum full
of Secret Sonic Fans and no media.

[Yakumo]

Well, all I can say is "way to go you fucking morons !" Yet another chance of something special ruined by outsiders. Next time you have something Kev' just PM us regulars ! Ok? Man if I was rich I would have offered 5000 USD for that ! After all the US Dollar isn't that strong against the yen or especially the pound.

Yakumo

PS: sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be but I'm sure you understand how we (the regulars who trust in your word) feel right now.

[wheelaa]

What the 2 posts above said.

Like I mentioned previously, perhaps getting together a private list of members interested in things of this ilk could be done? I for one know I'd be interested in pretty much anything that ever came up in the future, and it would seem to be a way to avoid such hassles.

[GigaDrive]

I don't want to get involved in any bickering right now, I am just posting to say that I wish ASSEMbler the least amount of stress possible and thank him for all the extremely interesting information he has shared over the years.

[sabre470]

Well, all I can say is "way to go you fucking morons !" Yet another chance of something special ruined by outsiders. Next time you have something Kev' just PM us regulars ! Ok? Man if I was rich I would have offered 5000 USD for that ! After all the US Dollar isn't that strong against the yen or especially the pound.

Yakumo

PS: sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be but I'm sure you understand how we (the regulars who trust in your word) feel right now.

I agree totally Yakumo, this is indeed sad. I can't understand people, read the instructions and apply them. What's difficult about that!!! The rules were crystal clear and in big letters for people with minimal reading capabilities.

Idiots that's all I have to say (I'm rude, I know) we should built asylums for idiots but I let you imagine the size of such buildings.

Anyway... the point is we all lost...

Sabre

[Rlan]

You're blaming the outsiders for creating speculation? How is it there fault for not PM-ing Assembler when it made it more expensive for them? Wouldn't it therefore be the regulars fault for not PM-ing in the 22 hours from start to finish? This whole thing was never even posted at SWS2B or Sonic Cult either, and there would be plenty of people there who aren't members here who would certainly pay the fee [though perhaps not the higher fee].

Hell, I only found out about this via a Post on the Gaming-Age forum. I don't constantly come here. That's the only attempt I saw at rallying people up, and people were incredibly skeptical there too.

IMO, it would have gone a LOT quicker had it been mentioned that those who PM with INTEREST of paying said amount would receive the first images of this demo, and posted the reason why you had not posted images in the first place [The Slash-Dotting / Net crash]. All the well Sonic community members here [Rika_chou, IceKnight, Local H] All wanted some more information before.

Even the most BASIC of info [PC or Saturn?] was never replied to. There was no mention of a time limit in the original post either, so how are we to know that we have to PM within that time? All the few Sonic fans here got were arrogant, "We know better than you" replies from Regular Members here.

Everyone is to blame here. Stop blaming the few :|

[sabre470]

And that's where it start to go round and round in circles :thumbsup:...

Sabre

[Yakumo]

Even the most BASIC of info [PC or Saturn?] was never replied to.|
You seem to not understand like many of the new people here. THIS IS ASSEMBLERS PLACE ! WE ARE HIS GUESTS ! WE FOLLOW HIS RULES ! NO FUCKING MOANING. WHAT HE SAYS GOES ! Now regular members will know that in my 5 years of ASSEMbler I have never written in blocks. That shows how pissed I am at this ! We regular members of ASSEMbler know this. Did you see any of us asking for proof of him having the game? No you bloody didn't because we trust his word. The seller got cold feet due to the amount of unwanted questions and speculation which sooner or later would have ended up leading to him/her.

I really feel like deleting this whole thread to be honest :-(

Yakumo

[Borisz]

So instead of 1 guy getting it after which it disappears forever, 0 guys got it and it still disappears forever.

It's not like we would have saw anything out of it either way.

sad sad sad.

[Alchy]

So instead of 1 guy getting it after which it disappears forever, 0 guys got it and it still disappears forever.

It's not like we would have saw anything out of it either way.

sad sad sad.No, instead of everyone getting it, now nobody gets it.

Shouldn't there be a private forum where this sort of thing gets announced?

[sabre470]

I really feel like deleting this whole thread to be honest :-(


I agree!!!



No, instead of everyone getting it, now nobody gets it.

Shouldn't there be a private forum where this sort of thing gets announced?

I agree, it's impressive that some people don't understand simple things...

[liquitt]

No, instead of everyone getting it, now nobody gets it.

Shouldn't there be a private forum where this sort of thing gets announced?

good idea, just like a admin/mod area with the trusted and regular members in it

[Rlan]

You seem to not understand like many of the new people here. THIS IS ASSEMBLERS PLACE ! WE ARE HIS GUESTS ! WE FOLLOW HIS RULES ! NO FUCKING MOANING. WHAT HE SAYS GOES ! Now regular members will know that in my 5 years of ASSEMbler I have never written in blocks. That shows how pissed I am at this ! We regular members of ASSEMbler know this. Did you see any of us asking for proof of him having the game? No you bloody didn't because we trust his word. The seller got cold feet due to the amount of unwanted questions and speculation which sooner or later would have ended up leading to him/her.

I really feel like deleting this whole thread to be honest :-(

Yakumo

Then why don't you SAY that? For Fucks sakes, is it so hard? How the hell are people you're trying to rally up going to believe you if they don't know who the hell Assembler is? The Sonic community has BEEN through this sort of shit over and over again, even most of the higher ups have pulled a prank at some point or another! It's Not too hard to say "Sorry, I can't disclose any more information until 60+ people PM me, as the seller wants to make sure that people are willing to pay for such an item! :( :( :(". Hell, we've had practically the same thing done before as a prank on the Sonic GHZ forums by a well known, respected member [for some supposed competition they made up] who just posted a list of people the next day, saying how gullible they are.

And what the hell would a private forum do for you? Eh? Not enough of your own members replied to this NOW, just what sort of difference would it make with even LESS people allowed to know about it?

[Rabid Peanut-Butter]

Then why don't you SAY that? For Fucks sakes, is it so hard? How the hell are people you're trying to rally up going to believe you if they don't know who the hell Assembler is? The Sonic community has BEEN through this sort of shit over and over again, even most of the higher ups have pulled a prank at some point or another! It's Not too hard to say "Sorry, I can't disclose any more information until 60+ people PM me, as the seller wants to make sure that people are willing to pay for such an item! :( :( :(". Hell, we've had practically the same thing done before as a prank on the Sonic GHZ forums by a well known, respected member [for some supposed competition they made up] who just posted a list of people the next day, saying how gullible they are.

And what the hell would a private forum do for you? Eh? Not enough of your own members replied to this NOW, just what sort of difference would it make with even LESS people allowed to know about it?

Alright everybody, calm down. What happened, happened. It sucks, but there's nothing we can do about it now. Only look forward and try to correct what went wrong this time.

As for the Private Forum issue (which is looking like a good idea), it would have kept the issue quiet and not scared off the seller in less than 24 hours.

[Carnivol]

How is it there fault for not PM-ing Assembler when it made it more expensive for them?

Once again, he asked for people's interest in this, not for people to pm him and give him money right away for it. "Is there interest: yes/no" and "if: yes=50+" (or whatever), then "Okay guys, let's crack open some pig banks"





Anyway, I see people talk so much about "how can we know if we can trust" and so on.
Well, do some research, instead of just limiting your knowledge to a topic title and the posts within it.

If you'd done the most basic of searching around here, you'd probably notice that this place has been around for quite some time, most regulars are "big names" in the field of stuff like this and this is far from the first time something like this has shown up around here.


And as for the idea of a private forum, I think it sounds nice, but a restricted forum would probably be better. (Evt. only "trusted and regular" members can post), that way, there wont be too much unecessary stuff floating around and probably more people will read things properly.

[Alchy]

How the hell are people you're trying to rally up going to believe you if they don't know who the hell Assembler is?If people from your community want to comment on someone, perhaps they should check them out first. This (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2834) might be a good place to start if you need an indication of his dedication (note: yes, they were bought in bulk).

The Sonic community has BEEN through this sort of shit over and over again, even most of the higher ups have pulled a prank at some point or another!I'm sorry you have to put up with that sort of shit. Not something I'd want to be associated with, to be honest - I'm a Sonic obsessive, but one look at the Cult forums and similar and I was out. Not to tell you your business or anything.


And as for the idea of a private forum, I think it sounds nice, but a restricted forum would probably be better. (Evt. only "trusted and regular" members can post), that way, there wont be too much unecessary stuff floating around and probably more people will read things properly.You mean no new registrations? The forum would die because no new members could replace the old ones who lost interest/had real life to deal with/whatever else.

[Nack the Weasel]

(How fucking mature. Editting my post. Please, grow the hell up)

Ah, this is what I expected out of such an obscure forum. Very close minded, intolerant residents who most of which are more into doing things in a childish manner like editting posts and insulting than working things out in a reasonable, intelligent debate;

You don't understand why someone wouldn't believe your almighty god, and understand even less why they wouldn't worship him as you do. I can't stand people who suck up to admins on boards, games, anywhere.

Instead, all I get are insults rather than actual counters to my points. "YOU FUCKING MORON HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE THIS AND I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON HOW MUCH OF A SCAM IT LOOKS LIKE BUT YOU SHOULD BELIEVE HIM BECAUSE DUDE IT'S HIM. FUCK NEWB FUCK"

Like I'm any less of a person just because I've never heard of this place before. In fact, that people come from other, larger message boards and register just for this thing should tell you how interested people are in it.

But people are, rightfully, skeptical. There have BEEN scams and ripoffs before, even from so called respected and honorable people. Sure, they may have been ripped a new one from everyone after, but it doesn't change that it was still a scam.

And here's how I know he could've given *some* kind of proof...if he could do it after a horde of PMs, he could've done it at the start.

And think of it this way, which would get more support at E3 or something...A gaming company just *saying* "Hey guys we have an awesome game here it will rock you okay, give us money" or a company saying that, then providing screenshots and videos of said awesome game? If the company went on to complain about people 'failing spectacularly' by not pledging money, would you listen to them at all, under the first circumstances? Is it really a failing of fans, or a failing of the company, in the first case? If they wanted so much support, why didn't they show evidence, right?

Of course, Assembler only posts the reasons he didn't and doesn't after the fact, and then blames it on others. The Sonic community. Can't say I expected any less of elitists. Take a look at yourselves before blaming everyone else; if that's not too hard.

After all, if I linked you to a forum of a guy you'd never heard of offering Sonic Xtreme, if you'd pay $60, yet showed absolutely no evidence he actually had it...would you be so willing, even if the forum *said* he was someone you could so blindly trust? Look at it from other peoples perspectives, before tossing around insults.

Speaking of insults, you may notice I use only a few insults, rather than multiple in a sentence. What do you think that says about me, as opposed to most of you? For those of you mature enough to respond and counter without baseless insults, I thank you. For the rest, grow up.

If this is an opportunity lost forever, it's a failing on everyones part. Assembler for not providing more evidence, to actually build support from people *other* than the tiny forum regulars who trust him so blindly; the forum regulars for not meeting his demands (and ostracizing outsiders who came who *could've* been support), and outsiders for not being gullible and abandoning their money, I guess.

Again, before you flame, realize what you were asking. You were asking that people just hand over money to someone they'd never heard of before, based only on his word and the word of other forum members that they trust him. Sure, *you* may know Assembler, but you need to realize not everyone on the internet does. Would the little that was presented here be enough for you to give out *your* money, if the tables were turned, and you were the one visiting a forum you'd never heard of before?

And obviously you *needed* outsiders, as with the demands of 60 people to pledge for nothing...you needed more than what you had here. Otherwise you would've made it. Instead you didn't come close, and I guarentee you that with evidence the entire internet would've been flocking here...60 people would've been doubled...tripled..

Just think, next time. Logic, not emotions, will get you places.

[Rlan]

If people from your community want to comment on someone, perhaps they should check them out first. This (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2834) might be a good place to start if you need an indication of his dedication (note: yes, they were bought in bulk).



Well, when you've got 22 hours, not much can be done :P. The Sonic nut members here KNOW who Assembler was, but they were still skeptical.


I'm sorry you have to put up with that sort of shit. Not something I'd want to be associated with, to be honest - I'm a Sonic obsessive, but one look at the Cult forums and similar and I was out. Not to tell you your business or anything.

No offense taken, I don't go to the Cult, but the people there tend to have wads of cash lying around for this EXACT purpose :). I run my own site, Secrets of Sonic Team (http://sost.emulationzone.org) in combatance with it, but my forum is fairly dead in comparison.

[liquitt]

Then why don't you SAY that? For Fucks sakes, is it so hard? How the hell are people you're trying to rally up going to believe you if they don't know who the hell Assembler is? The Sonic community has BEEN through this sort of shit over and over again, even most of the higher ups have pulled a prank at some point or another! It's Not too hard to say "Sorry, I can't disclose any more information until 60+ people PM me, as the seller wants to make sure that people are willing to pay for such an item! :( :( :(". Hell, we've had practically the same thing done before as a prank on the Sonic GHZ forums by a well known, respected member [for some supposed competition they made up] who just posted a list of people the next day, saying how gullible they are.

And what the hell would a private forum do for you? Eh? Not enough of your own members replied to this NOW, just what sort of difference would it make with even LESS people allowed to know about it?

oh my god, please shut the fuck up, yakumo is right, everyone with a brain in here is right...piss off

[Rlan]

:noooo:

I don't want to be here to fight. I explain why the skeptics are being skeptics, and you reply like that? I'm not just some 10 year old "n00b" as you probably think I am. I'm very much in the collection of crazy gadgets and prototypes as many of you are, I just don't post here.

All I'm saying is that this could have been handled a lot better than it was.

[Alchy]

Well, when you've got 22 hours, not much can be done :P. The Sonic nut members here KNOW who Assembler was, but they were still skeptical.That's a shame. It would've been nicer to hold back that scepticism in a thread that was clearly designated to generate PMs of interest. Hardly your fault though.

No offense taken, I don't go to the Cult, but the people there tend to have wads of cash lying around for this EXACT purpose :). I run my own site, Secrets of Sonic Team (http://sost.emulationzone.org) in combatance with it, but my forum is fairly dead in comparison.Excellent site. You list a game I wasn't aware of Jurrassic Boy 2, it looks interesting...

[liquitt]

:noooo:

I don't want to be here to fight. I explain why the skeptics are being skeptics, and you reply like that? I'm not just some 10 year old "n00b" as you probably think I am. I'm very much in the collection of crazy gadgets and prototypes as many of you are, I just don't post here.

All I'm saying is that this could have been handled a lot better than it was.

well, you may be right, maybe wrong, who knows, but fact is that i overreacted, sorry about that

[madhatter256]

WOw. So much has happened in the past 10 hours I've been asleep. Sucks that I won't get to play this gem.

Before you close this thread, I suggest that from now on, when it comes to high profile games such as this, then just create a special forum where only certain members can view the thread, whether it be via number of posts or contributions. Have it where you can control how this information spreads so that it gets to the right people who know how to handle these types of situations and not let it get all fucked up like this did.

Like if you are looking for a buyer, since most of us probably can't afford such games, then some members can get a hold of on and not cause any commotion while they're doing it. And it all stays calm and clean, no flame wars, no bickering, nothing.

I'm not bitching and moaning now like some secret sonic fans are right now since the seller backed off because of what has happened. If the game was released to the community then that is wonderful, if not, then oh well, there will always be a next time; it's not the end of the world!

THink about this though.... this site would not be able to handle Saturn Shenmue if it is done the way Sonic Xtreme was just handled...

[Borisz]

I'd like to ask one thing, regardless of the outcome of this topic.
How was this a "near complete version" when about half dozen former devs already said that the game was never that far in developement?

Also, did the seller honestly think that it would be possible to not cause a public uproar with this? News of an existing prototype of such a big title go around the internet easily if you put it up for sale. Dump it in bincue and upload it to a guy you know you can trust and can share it to others and presto its released without everyone jumping on you. You stay anonymous, people get the goods, the site is not flooded with all the 14 year old idiots you keep mentioning, and so on.

[Carnivol]

You mean no new registrations? The forum would die because no new members could replace the old ones who lost interest/had real life to deal with/whatever else.
Sorry if I didn't elaborate properly there, what I meant was like a forum topic setting (kinda like a sticky, news, locked, etc..) that restricted who're allowed to post inside that very topic somehow.



After all, if I linked you to a forum of a guy you'd never heard of offering Sonic Xtreme, if you'd pay $60, yet showed absolutely no evidence he actually had it...would you be so willing, even if the forum *said* he was someone you could so blindly trust? Look at it from other peoples perspectives, before tossing around insults.

Speaking of insults, you may notice I use only a few insults, rather than multiple in a sentence. What do you think that says about me, as opposed to most of you? For those of you mature enough to respond and counter without baseless insults, I thank you. For the rest, grow up.

First of all, just stop putting yourself up on a pidestal as if you're some sort of supreme being or something, atleast as long as you go on with the "would you blindly give 60 bucks to random stranger" thing.

I've probably said it hundreds of times, but you probably ignore it for reasons unknown to man, so I shall give it a 3rd (?) attempt now:

This topic did was never a "give me your money" thing.
It was a simple question if people would be willing to pay a certain amount of money, for something that obviously is VERY WELL known to you.

Would you pay $60 if this game became available?
YES or NO.

Simple as that, and in this case, if enough people would've read and understood this very simple question and said yes, chances are that you'd have the chance to pay and get your hands on the game.

How hard is that to understand?




Would the little that was presented here be enough for you to give out *your* money, if the tables were turned, and you were the one visiting a forum you'd never heard of before?

Most likely, yes, atleast if the forum had a community the size of this and doing quick searches on the community and key people involved gives rather positive results/impressions.

[_skitzo_]

Ok, so it appears people are wishing upon a star here...

If this is real, Im posting $3,000 USD for this, i have had diffrent offer for another version which I feel I shoud buy, but I want to see how serious this seller is...

[sabre470]

I'd like to ask one thing, regardless of the outcome of this topic.
How was this a "near complete version" when about half dozen former devs already said that the game was never that far in developement?

As far as I understand Assembler comments above, he apparently was in contact with somebody in Japan and considering the history of SEGA I wouldn't be surprised if Sega of Japan and Sega of America were running 2 separate projects for the same title at the same time. We only heard about the US people involved in its development. Japan is far more secretive about their projects, so maybe it's a piece of history we don't know about. And bear in mind that SOJ was pretty pissed off when SOA tried to use the Nights engine for Sonic Xtreme. So communication between these 2 entities might not have been the best.

Correct me, Assembler if I'm wrong, that is just my assumptions.

Sabre

[madhatter256]

As far as I understand Assembler comments above, he apparently was in contact with somebody in Japan and considering the history of SEGA I wouldn't be surprised if Sega of Japan and Sega of America were running 2 separate projects for the same title at the same time. We only heard about the US people involved in its development. Japan is far more secretive about their projects, so maybe it's a piece of history we don't know about. And bear in mind that SOJ was pretty pissed off when SOA tried to use the Nights engine for Sonic Xtreme. So communication between these 2 entities might not have been the best.

Correct me, Assembler if I'm wrong, that is just my assumptions.

Sabre

As far as I know, Sonic X-treme was strictly an american project right from the get-go.

[_skitzo_]

I could careless about what people are going back and forth on...I would like the seller to read my offer...if this is real $3,000 usd...I will wait for a responce

[Nack the Weasel]

How damn mature. Edit my post. ...Wow, that's a new low.

You can't counter me, so you outright *change what I said*. No, not even a modded post, which would be biased enough considering the flames from others, but an *editted* post.

Jesus christ, how can anyone defend immature, childish actions such as just fucking with someones post rather than counter their points intelligently?

[sabre470]

As far as I know, Sonic X-treme was strictly an american project right from the get-go.

That's my understanding too, but you never know with SEGA, Saturn Shenmue anyone? Or this could be a pre-sonic adventure title renamed Sonic Xtreme.

???

Sabre

[sabre470]

How damn mature. Edit my post. ...Wow, that's a new low.

You can't counter me, so you outright *change what I said*. No, not even a modded post, which would be biased enough considering the flames from others, but an *editted* post.

Jesus christ, how can anyone defend immature, childish actions such as just fucking with someones post rather than counter their points intelligently?

The answer you are looking for is "We don't care" or "waft :shrug:"

Sabre

[Nack the Weasel]

Sorry if I didn't elaborate properly there, what I meant was like a forum topic setting (kinda like a sticky, news, locked, etc..) that restricted who're allowed to post inside that very topic somehow.




First of all, just stop putting yourself up on a pidestal as if you're some sort of supreme being or something, atleast as long as you go on with the "would you blindly give 60 bucks to random stranger" thing.

I've probably said it hundreds of times, but you probably ignore it for reasons unknown to man, so I shall give it a 3rd (?) attempt now:

This topic did was never a "give me your money" thing.
It was a simple question if people would be willing to pay a certain amount of money, for something that obviously is VERY WELL known to you.

Would you pay $60 if this game became available?
YES or NO.

Simple as that, and in this case, if enough people would've read and understood this very simple question and said yes, chances are that you'd have the chance to pay and get your hands on the game.

How hard is that to understand?





Most likely, yes, atleast if the forum had a community the size of this and doing quick searches on the community and key people involved gives rather positive results/impressions.

I'll get back to you on that, as those are good, intelligent, mature points and I'm glad to finally get an adult in here, rather than the children I've been dealing with.

But it'll have to wait, as I'm posting from school and I have to get to class now. I'm just posting this so you know I'm not just ignoring you.

[Nack the Weasel]

The answer you are looking for is "We don't care" or "waft :shrug:"

Sabre

A "talk to the hand" approach, eh?

Nice.

[Carnivol]

I have to say I'm really curious about what this is.
Even though Sonic Xtreme is far from the "most wanted" on my list, it's still an interesting piece of history and certainly something that've opened lots of weird questions in my mind that I'd really like to see answered through setting my teeths into a sample of this title.




@Nack

Drop it already, atleast if you're going into the field of immatureness, intelligence and such, as it's almost as if you wont admit to misunderstanding the entire topic.

[Szczepaniak]

Oh good lord, I feared this would happen.

I think a private forum, for established members, would be a good idea for such things. While I love the open policy nature of this forum, it does allow for random people to turn up and cause trouble. A private section should in theory ensure that people are at least aware of some expected etiquette.

[FaZyCrUcK]

I could careless about what people are going back and forth on...I would like the seller to read my offer...if this is real $3,000 usd...I will wait for a responce

Lets keep the interesting posts, lol

Why so many new kids biccering?

[_skitzo_]

This is very nice how people are talking about Sonic X, it really is..mind doing your bullshit flamewar somewhere else? I would like to bring Sonic X to Assembler... with that being said.. once again..I wish for the seller not to miss my post due to you clowns crying over whatever ever it is you may be...

$3,000 for Sonic X the seller of this appreantly new version

[sabre470]

A "talk to the hand" approach, eh?

Nice.

Kind of ... yeah!!!

Look mate, I think it's got dirty enough for today, excitment turned into frustration and verbal violence, flaming.

I don't think we can get the whole planet to agree together. So let's stop this.

Maybe there are other topics we can discuss and get to know you better.

How's that for a start?

Sabre

[A. Snow]

This thread is FUBAR. I suggest we lock it and all move on.

[Topic Archive]

as an aside, sonic cult has been down for weeks, and none of their members even posted about this thread on their forums from what i can tell


edit: I pm'd and expressed interest in a personal bid and did not find it all that unusual to request atleast some information about said item before being willing to make an offer which obviously would have been rather generous.

[HXC]

Its a shame it had to come to this, but in the end, I feel this is probably the better way.

Sorry to assembler for bugging him a little last night.

And fuck, from that tiny description of the seller, I can almost definatly say who it was and what state the game would be in :/

If I were right, it would not be nearly complete, just 4 worlds created by a different member of the team, to show to the head of STI.

Edit: Highest single bidder is getting it? Ah well :/

[madhatter256]

But it'll have to wait, as I'm posting from school and I have to get to class now. I'm just posting this so you know I'm not just ignoring you.


That explains a lot...

[Ringo]

Man, I didnt even see this thread untill today. I'm so going to check more often, I've missed out on too much good stuff. I'm not really a Sonic fan but this would have been really cool to have.

[_skitzo_]

I will place a time limit on my offer 4pm EST To the seller : If this is real $3,000 usd

[Nack the Weasel]

That explains a lot...

I knew when I said that, it'd encite somebody to chime in with a stereotype filled, generalization comment...and look, I was right!

If you must know, I'm a senior in high school. If I am younger than you, then don't you find it funny that I am able to conduct myself in a more mature manner, with less insults?

That I debate, rather than argue and flame?

[mgsegasaturn]

What if those 30 members that sent a PM decide to put up $120 each?

[Nack the Weasel]

Sorry if I didn't elaborate properly there, what I meant was like a forum topic setting (kinda like a sticky, news, locked, etc..) that restricted who're allowed to post inside that very topic somehow.

First of all, just stop putting yourself up on a pidestal as if you're some sort of supreme being or something, atleast as long as you go on with the "would you blindly give 60 bucks to random stranger" thing.

I've probably said it hundreds of times, but you probably ignore it for reasons unknown to man, so I shall give it a 3rd (?) attempt now:

This topic did was never a "give me your money" thing.
It was a simple question if people would be willing to pay a certain amount of money, for something that obviously is VERY WELL known to you.

Would you pay $60 if this game became available?
YES or NO.

Simple as that, and in this case, if enough people would've read and understood this very simple question and said yes, chances are that you'd have the chance to pay and get your hands on the game.

How hard is that to understand?

Most likely, yes, atleast if the forum had a community the size of this and doing quick searches on the community and key people involved gives rather positive results/impressions.

Sorry if I came across wrong, I assure you I did not mean to put myself on a pedestal. Rather, I was trying to show 'the other side', as in an outsiders point of view.

I realize he wasn't demanding money on the spot, but he *was* asking for offers..asking for offers before he ever actually gave information, or anything slightly tangible.

He was saying 'give me offers and THEN after I get a bunch I'll provide screenshots, etc.'

That was my issue. The screenshots should come first. If they don't, no complaints should be given when you don't receive alot of offers...because most people aren't willing to pay money for something they can't see, especially with this much controversy surrounding the item in question; this is shown through the lack of offers, despite the rarity of the supposed item.

And there *is* controversy around this item, and I don't just mean this forum in particular. The very idea of this offer...when developers have stated only 1 or 2 levels, (and a boss or two) were completed, and some songs; yet here it's being stated that he has close to the entire game, yet no music?

Of COURSE there is going to be skepticism...and it's not asking too much when, considering the above, that screenshots or evidence be provided before offers are given. After all, nobody really knows what they're bidding on.

Are they bidding on entire stages, a full game? Or are they bidding on half complete, Sonic 2 Wood Zone/Genocide City type stages?

Screenshots answer that. It's like on ebay, you'll get alot more bids if you provide pictures of your merchandise; in fact an item with pictures, will sell better than a no picture, cheaper item. Even if the cheaper item is also rarer and more sought after.

[Nack the Weasel]

Kind of ... yeah!!!

Look mate, I think it's got dirty enough for today, excitment turned into frustration and verbal violence, flaming.

I don't think we can get the whole planet to agree together. So let's stop this.

Maybe there are other topics we can discuss and get to know you better.

How's that for a start?

Sabre

Sure. I dislike flame wars, which is why I oppose people resulting to insults, so vehemently.

If you won't hold a grudge, I won't hold a grudge.

However I must admit I did sign up only for this topic, and once this topic is over, whether through being locked/deleted or just ends due to a resolution, I will likely leave...so you'll have to make of me what you can, from this topic.

Be that positive or negative. I'd hope positive, but I may not be so lucky.

[karsten]

i feel silly for not pm assembler... but i lost ALL my interest when some basic answer weren't on forum and no pic on the thread.... i just waited the following day for better infos...

i guess i'm a silly man but i was at work and couldn't follow this topic all the time...

and time for this was SHORT. ù

anyway, my excuses to the community for not being of support in such an important time.


karsten

[Jaysmith2000]

Well, I got my PM to Assembler as soon as I read the thread. What a nice surprise to come here today and find out the deal is gone. Now it's going to end up with a collector and probably never see the light of day.

I haven't been on these forums that long, but I've certainly been around a long time. If you've been around the prototype/beta/rare hardware scene AT ALL, then you know who Assembler is. The man can be trusted. Regardless, all he said was, "PM me if you're interested." He didn't say you are committing to sending me $60 ($75 for all these noobs that have now popped in). He just said PM if interested. How hard is that? :shrug:

This is really messed up. :banghead:

[Greatsaintlouis]

However I must admit I did sign up only for this topic, and once this topic is over, whether through being locked/deleted or just ends due to a resolution, I will likely leave...so you'll have to make of me what you can, from this topic.

Be that positive or negative. I'd hope positive, but I may not be so lucky.
Then you ought to have tried harder. Disposable, one-thread users are a dime a dozen, and the ones that stand out either decide to stay or were really damned annoying in the first place.

Either way, you're not the only one. This thread is a pretty poor reflection on the membership of this board, if you ask me. If established members start throwing around "OH MY GOD YOU DICK WHY DIDN'T YOU DONATE NOW WE'VE LOST IT FOREVER NOOOOOOO!" when a thread is created just to gauge interest in a possible release, what's going to happen if we DO come close to getting our hands on something big? Does the namecalling and finger-pointing start again? What happened to this sense of 'community' that everyone's been bragging about in this thread, the trust?

I'm not saying there shouldn't have been more details. I'm not even saying $60 is a reasonable price and that we should have all pitched in immediately--I couldn't really care less about unreleased Sonic games, and so had no intention of voicing any interest. But the actions of people on these past five pages or so have been pretty pathetic, from the idiot noobs joining just for the event without doing any research on these forums whatsoever, to the established members reduced to bickering, squabbling children when they didn't get the shiny toy they wanted.

For shame.