09/14/05 The official sanctioned Sonic Extreme AFTER AUCTION thread.

[ASSEMbler]

What goes in this area?

Post auction talk. (To avoid clogging the initial thread, now closed)
Requests to buy.
Etc.

[Fabrizo]

Ill buy a copy once they become available for purchase. Pressed copies would be nice (as assembler had mentioned in the initial thread), but a copy on generic media is fine to.

[GaijinPunch]

Would creating a "WTB: Sonic Extreme Demo" thread be out of line?

[rika_chou]

As long as the buyer will distribute copys, then I plan to get one. We will just have to wait and see.

[dbwhicker]

I'll probably buy a generic media copy as well.

[TheRedEye]

Don't start preordering copies or anything yet, because the supposed "winner" has completely disappeared, and has been using false information in his profile and just smells kind of fishy to me. I'm pretty sure the bid is reverting to the $2,500 guy.

[TheRedEye]

The other bidder, as stated earlier, is an anonymous collector.

[Fabrizo]

Don't start preordering copies or anything yet, because the supposed "winner" has completely disappeared, and has been using false information in his profile and just smells kind of fishy to me. I'm pretty sure the bid is reverting to the $2,500 guy.

*Crosses fingers that the matter is resolved, and that he wasn't a fake*

[rika_chou]

He could just be busy. By this time tomarrow we should know for sure. Nothing should be assumed yet.

[KuKzz]

to hl718 - I fprgpt to ask in original thread, if you've seen this demo in action, how it compares to Christmas Nights/Sonic Jam 3D engine ? In these games you could at least play for a bit longet than 20 mins :)

[ASSEMbler]

same engine I believe

[madhatter256]

I think they had to do their own engine. From the articles I read they had two. one for levels and one for boss battles. I dont think they let them use Nights engine.

[Fabrizo]

I think they had to do their own engine. From the articles I read they had two. one for levels and one for boss battles. I dont think they let them use Nights engine.

Well they did use the Nights engine for a little while, till Yuji Naka found out and got pissed saying that he'd quit the company if they let the team use it. It was one of the many major factors that ended up totaly messing up the games production.

[Roi]

Didn't that auction ended way to early ? I think the price would end much higher.

[Nicola]

Knew he stank like a fish.

Is the other bidder, Nicola?

I'd like to :)
I hope to see some new videos and photos from the buyer anyway.

[Tomcat]

*prays all the other big spenders fail*

[ASSEMbler]

Hey redeye, if people are all talk, you know I have the cash.

[Tomcat]

more then 2k?

doh

[Blur2040]

I'd give him until midnight tonight...this isn't the sort of thing you screw around on.

[Hawanja]

Well, the guy could just be at work. Give him at least a day.

[Buyatari]

Don't start preordering copies or anything yet, because the supposed "winner" has completely disappeared, and has been using false information in his profile and just smells kind of fishy to me. I'm pretty sure the bid is reverting to the $2,500 guy.

HA ! It figures. We got ourselves a comedian.

[Anthaemia.]

Despite being known as something of a hardcore fanatic when it comes to unreleased Saturn games, I wasn't informed of this particular auction until after it had already ended. However, now that I am aware of its existence I can't bring myself to be genuinely excited (like if the complete second revision of Saturn Virtua Fighter 3 or the work-in-progress title that later became Shenmue was leaked), because from what I can gather there was never enough actually made of Sonic X-Treme using any of the many engines utilised during its ill-fated production to make something worthwhile. I'll probably still end up getting a copy when it leaks, but the fact is that Sonic X-Treme: The Myth is always going to be superior to Sonic X-Treme: The Game in my opinion...

[Yakumo]

I have to agree with you there Anthaemia. The Sonic Xtreme that was sold is nothing more than a run & jump demo on a Nights style background. Now, if it was a build that showed all the levels that featured in the Magazines all those years ago then it would have been in my hand as long as it didn't go over 4000 dollars.

Yakumo

[Borman]

Maybe the CD has something else to be discovered, hidden away on the disk? :)

[madhatter256]

Rarest of the rare demos...

1. Demo of Jade Gully (FOUND)

2. Demo of boss fight (MIA)

3. Shenmue Saturn concept prototype (MIA)

4. Duke Nukem Forever alpha build (MIA)

[Taemos]

4. Duke Nukem Forever alpha build (MIA)

Haha, which one? ;)

[ICEknight]

If the supposed winner doesn't reply, I'd suggest there should be another auction for this item. If I understood well, there was somebody willing to offer $5000 before this guy showed up and promised to share it, and more people would have added their cash to the group fund, etc etc.

And I wouldn't like to think the ratman deal was just made up by somebody else who wanted the Sonic fans to stop bidding for it. If he's not real, this would harm both those who wanted it released and the seller, since he's going to make less money from it. =\

[Paulo]

And I wouldn't like to think the ratman deal was just made up by somebody else who wanted the Sonic fans to stop bidding for it. If he's not real, this would harm both those who wanted it released and the seller, since he's going to make less money from it. =\

And maybe this time the real seller will show up.

[Blur2040]

And maybe this time the real seller will show up.

I doubt he will. I don't think he wants Sega finding out he has that CD...

[Paulo]

well it will be pretty obvious as we have already said in the thread. Unless he told lies in which case i wouldnt buy it as if hes lied about that then i wouldnt trust him not to of copied the cd.

[TheRedEye]

If the supposed winner doesn't reply, I'd suggest there should be another auction for this item. If I understood well, there was somebody willing to offer $5000 before this guy showed up and promised to share it, and more people would have added their cash to the group fund, etc etc.

And I wouldn't like to think the ratman deal was just made up by somebody else who wanted the Sonic fans to stop bidding for it. If he's not real, this would harm both those who wanted it released and the seller, since he's going to make less money from it. =\

I don't know where you got this $5,000 figure from, but it's the first I've heard of it. Highest bid I had was from ratman at $3,000, second highest was from the anonymous collector at $2,500.

[olivieryuyu]

5000$ !!!

that's crazy !!!

[g_sepp]

well it is one of the rarest things in the world. The guy who created most of this game almost died making it so i think it is worth it.

[LocalH]

comment from Ratman, quoted verbatim:

"You all have been fucked by The Great Red Rat! I was hired by the "Anonymous Collector" to make sure his bid was uncontested and outdone, and TheRedEye knew this. Have an unpleasant day shitheads!! HAHAHAHA! smile.gif"

Of course, that means that the seller potentially got screwed out of $2500 more.

[madhatter256]

comment from Ratman, quoted verbatim:

"You all have been fucked by The Great Red Rat! I was hired by the "Anonymous Collector" to make sure his bid was uncontested and outdone, and TheRedEye knew this. Have an unpleasant day shitheads!! HAHAHAHA! smile.gif"

Of course, that means that the seller potentially got screwed out of $2500 more.

Where did you get this "quote"?

[LocalH]

Where did you get this "quote"?
Here, last page of the thread. (http://www.sws2b.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5388)

Also, another quote, same thread:

"The whole bidding was internal and never ment for anyone else to bid on/own. TheRedEye and the "Collector" only publically gave this information out only to make you wet your fucking pants.

Either way you would never of seen X-Treme in the light of day. You may blame TheRedEye (The middleman) and hl7_18 (The Collector).

Furthermore the two AIM names I provided were not so fake.

Mad Moxxy = The Ex-Sega Employee (Seller)
MetaPhysicalMind = The "Anonymous Collector"

evil.gif"

[Paulo]

I see an on mass ban of cunts coming on.

[LocalH]

Yet another quote, same thread:

"The item was never ment for the Sonic Community to have. ONLY THE COLLECTOR."

I do find it hard to believe that people here were also intended to be fucked over. And that the seller would give up a potential $2500 extra just to fuck people over.

[Paulo]

Well i think jsut about everyone mentioned there is a member here and its nice to know if this is true what some of the respected (if that?) members of the community will do...

Also this $5000 bid is just a rumour isnt it.

[ASSEMbler]

This is getting interesting.

[TheRedEye]

Note to self: do not tip off fan community about anything ever, as it does nothing but cause drama with retards like that guy.

[LocalH]

Quote from Frank on the same thread:

"I knew tipping the fan community off would cause all sorts of weird bullshit like this.

Anyway. This guy is lying, and the anonymous collector who won isn't hl7_18."

There was a guy at SWS2B who said that he could bid $5000, but that he was feeling skeptical about the legitimacy.

[ASSEMbler]

Well if you would care to put forward a detailed statement to the goings on. Your lack of detail as to what is going on causes a lot of speculation.

[g_sepp]

I hope we don't have price gouging... cause i can't deal with more then gass gouging.

[Tomcat]

typical fanboy kiddies screwing things up. Not quite sure who to trust :/ how about an auction with out the kiddies?

[TheRedEye]

Well if you would care to put forward a detailed statement to the goings on. Your lack of detail as to what is going on causes a lot of speculation.

Was that aimed at me? Because there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said/determined here. The $3,000 bid was placed by some dipshit who wanted to have a good laugh, the second highest bid of $2,500 was placed by an anonymous collector who has yet to reveal himself here. Dipshit has been revealed, disc is reverted to the second highest bidder. As I understand it payment arrangements are being made, and this thing is over.

The "fan community" stuff was in reference to my posting a thread at a Sonic fan site, in order to expose the sales thread here to a larger audience. Obviously this was a bad idea, and one I won't be making again in the future.

EDIT: And there was no gouging going on, every bid I had (with the exception of this ratman guy) was from either someone I knew personally, or "know of" in the collectors market.

[LocalH]

It's nearly impossible to keep up with everything, if you want to read what happened on the Sonic scene side of things, visit that thread, it's visible to guests, so you don't have to register.

Ratman was the one who offered $3000. There was a person at SWS2B who goes by the handle of StephenUK willing to pay $5000, but unless if Ratman is completely lying and the seller never had such a thing in mind, and would take $5000, it's doubtul that he would buy it.

[LocalH]

typical fanboy kiddies screwing things up. Not quite sure who to trust :/ how about an auction with out the kiddies?
It wasn't any "fanboy kiddies" screwing things up. As far as I can tell, the fault here lies squarely on Ratman, who had never been seen before, and shouldn't be considered part of the Sonic scene.

[TheRedEye]

This is all assumptions...


So, Redeye, ratman, and "anonymous" collector were in on trying to get this demo to be sold at $2,500 whereas there other legit buyers who would pay the seller $3,000? If I had the money, I'd buy it at $5k and send a picture of the USPS money order with my screen name next to it, to the seller..

So, basically, the seller got screwed. I hope hes reading this stuff.

Your assumptions are completely fabricated and help no one.

[LocalH]

Anyway, as I said, this is all the fault of "ratman". The people that are "higher up" in the Sonic scene tend to be a lot more mature than that.

You'd do good to remember that it was thanks to Sonic sceners that we even were able to make it up to $2365. Before the last few minutes, we only had $1700.

[TheRedEye]

Sorry Redeye for jumping the gun on you.

It's cool, man. This whole thing has been a gigantic pain in my ass, but it's just about over now.

[Solly]

Hi

Then it looks like the Ratman was a fake ?

I wonder if the anonymous collector would be gentle with the Sonic community...
As an old Sonic fan I'd love to have a copy of Sonic X Treme...
I don't really care about the original thingie

for all Sonic fans and video games fans who know what the hell is Sonic X treme,
it was really an important moment.

If I knew, I would have proposed 3000$ by myself since I had them...
but since I'm not rich 3000$ is really too big... so I did not bid...
but I totally regret it... :smt022

then, if the winner read this...
I just want to say I'm seriously interested !

[ASSEMbler]

Was that aimed at me? Because there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said/determined here. The $3,000 bid was placed by some dipshit who wanted to have a good laugh, the second highest bid of $2,500 was placed by an anonymous collector who has yet to reveal himself here. Dipshit has been revealed, disc is reverted to the second highest bidder. As I understand it payment arrangements are being made, and this thing is over.

The "fan community" stuff was in reference to my posting a thread at a Sonic fan site, in order to expose the sales thread here to a larger audience. Obviously this was a bad idea, and one I won't be making again in the future.

EDIT: And there was no gouging going on, every bid I had (with the exception of this ratman guy) was from either someone I knew personally, or "know of" in the collectors market.

Well there's a big difference between the type of users frequenting this forum versus a game specific forum.

But if what is said is true, the bidder at 2500 had someone throw a wild bid in to kill the competition.

It seems to me that that was a *tad* disingenuous and if proved true, the auction would prove null and have to be redone. However,this isn't a proper auction, so I suppose sly fox gets the chicken.

The question is is true, does the seller care enough to know he was probably fooled into a lower bid, etc.

[Paulo]

Dont start begging for rips posts will be deleted.

[LocalH]

I don't think anyone's worried about begging for rips, I think we're more worried about the fact that ratman fucked us over good, for whatever reason. Hired by the collector? Possibly. He's lied throughout the whole thing, so the only thing he said that I believe, is that he fucked us over (which is also just common sense).

[TheRedEye]

Well there's a big difference between the type of users frequenting this forum versus a game specific forum.

But if what is said is true, the bidder at 2500 had someone throw a wild bid in to kill the competition.

It seems to me that that was a *tad* disingenuous and if proved true, the auction would prove null and have to be redone. However,this isn't a proper auction, so I suppose sly fox gets the chicken.

The question is is true, does the seller care enough to know he was probably fooled into a lower bid, etc.

If you knew who the winner was, you'd know this just isn't likely. My theory remains that this is just some idiot who reads Sonic forums and has nothing better to do but cause drama on the internet.

[LocalH]

Well, I'm certain that the potential $5000 offer from StephenUK is now completely withdrawn, so looks like an anonymous person has fucked both the Sonic scene and ASSEMbler's over pretty good.

[Paulo]

To me sellers, buyers, 3rd party all seem dodgy right now...

[HHogan]

The unfortunate thing about it, is that we were on the verge of collecting the necessary amount for the game to be handled by guys willing to share.

Ratman screwed that whole drive we had started, and caused us to miss out.

[LocalH]

That's why I said we got fucked here, too. Hell, we probably had enough people willing to pay $40 to actually have $2600 :/

[Tomcat]

Anyway, as I said, this is all the fault of "ratman". The people that are "higher up" in the Sonic scene tend to be a lot more mature than that.

You'd do good to remember that it was thanks to Sonic sceners that we even were able to make it up to $2365. Before the last few minutes, we only had $1700.

Sorry if it seems a bit harsh, but from my experiance of fanboys they could arcross as immature kiddies. Ratman is just another example.
Lol and im not greatful the sonic sceners have clubed together as Im after it ;) FOR MYSELF

[madhatter256]

I can write a book based on this event. It will start out somethign like this.

It will be about a poor fisherman who finds a rare treasure in his meager catch. He tries to sell it to have a better life. He asks a "trustworthy" individual to be the middle man on this so that the fisherman can keep his anonymity. As he is trying to sell it, a religious cult begs and pleads that the fisherman should give it to them out of charity; a petty thief tries to get in on it by offering money he doesn't have; an "honest" collector wishes to buy the treasure truthfully.

JOIN the poorfisherman as he journeys the world as he tries to sell.... "The Treasure from Jade Gully".


There will be action, suspense, drama, love, and PIRATES!!!

[TheRedEye]

There will be action, suspense, drama, love, and PIRATES!!!

So The Life Aquatic, then.

[madhatter256]

So The Life Aquatic, then.

Pretty much, but it will based on a true story lol.

[TheRedEye]

Pretty much, but it will based on a true story lol.

Steve Zissou wasn't real? :(

[ASSEMbler]

No more specualtion. I am getting to the bottom of it as we speak.

Summary:

Ratman = Fake

2nd highest bidder = legit and paying

Release to net? Improbable.

Freebie wanting sonic fanboys? = Weeping

[ASSEMbler]

Anyway, the seller hasn't stated what they want to do.

Give it half a day and we'll see if they will talk.

[g_sepp]

I hope Legit keeps it to himself but makes a video of him playing it and posts that.. That is all i want.. I don't want a copy i just want a video of him beating the level or him exploring the level.

[rika_chou]

This is very unfortunate. This also refelects badly on the Sonic community well. If not for Ratman, things would have been much different. Oh well.

[Paulo]

no the buyer is legit as in a real buyer not as in Legit the assembler member.

[Roi]

If I was now the highest bidder I wouldn't share it with that jalouse Sonic community!!

[Taemos]

If the bidder wishes to remain so anonymous, chances are the Sonic community will never see this thing hit the Internet. That's just my theory, though. I was interested in playing it, but I wouldn't kill (or pay a four figure sum) for it.

[Tomcat]

Id keep it for my self just to annoy the fanboys :)

[ICEknight]

I don't get why. Only one fanboy has caused problem, and we don't even know if he's from any Sonic fan community. =P
The others have tried to raise more funds for the collective bid, and I don't think that's a reason to try to annoy them now that the auction is over.



By the way, I'm sure many of these guys (including me) would gladly pay for a copy. If the buyer is interested he could get his money back easily.

[Nicola]

no the buyer is legit as in a real buyer not as in Legit the assembler member.

:D

[GaijinPunch]

Everybody moaning about the $3,000 bid -- you had your chances to bid anywhere between the two bids. RedEye even invited you to do so, "in case the top bidder bails out".

[hl718]

Here, last page of the thread. (http://www.sws2b.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5388)

Also, another quote, same thread:

"The whole bidding was internal and never ment for anyone else to bid on/own. TheRedEye and the "Collector" only publically gave this information out only to make you wet your fucking pants.

Either way you would never of seen X-Treme in the light of day. You may blame TheRedEye (The middleman) and hl7_18 (The Collector).

Furthermore the two AIM names I provided were not so fake.

Mad Moxxy = The Ex-Sega Employee (Seller)
MetaPhysicalMind = The "Anonymous Collector"

evil.gif"

Please do not associate my name with fiasco. As I stated early on, I am not in any way a part of TheRedEye's deal. I simply shared information on the build in question to help clear up any misconceptions that potential buyers, as well as the seller/TRE, had about the build.

If anyone wants my personal opinion (now that the auction is over), $2500 is way too much to spend on that demo. It's kinda neat to tool around with, but once you've seen it running chances are good you'd never pop it in again. That kind of money should be reserved for something rarer and harder to find. Again though, that's just me. I wouldn't pay it, but if someone is willing to, more power to em.


-hl718

[LocalH]

Oh, I wasn't assocating you, just quoting exactly what Ratman said. It was he who implicated you, not me. I didn't believe him anyway, by this point. I just wanted to let people here know what he was saying.

[Alien Workshop]

The "fan community" stuff was in reference to my posting a thread at a Sonic fan site, in order to expose the sales thread here to a larger audience. Obviously this was a bad idea, and one I won't be making again in the future.


Why the hell would you want to do that? I couldn't even make it through the first few pages of that thread LocalH linked to. In case you didn't notice, we're trying to make the forums BETTER not WORSE. Linking to place like that is the last thing we need >:[

[TheRedEye]

Why the hell would you want to do that?

Partially on the off-chance that they could make a higher bid, and partially because I thought the fans deserved a short at it too. I now regret this decision and will not be making it again.

[Taemos]

We all make our mistakes. If I were in his place I probably would've done the same thing (not before looking at the forums to see what types of people were signed up, though).

[ICEknight]

The forums could be read by anybody who wasn't signed up, so that wouldn't have made things better... But either way, somebody would have noticed this and told the other forums eventually.

[Alien Workshop]

Partially on the off-chance that they could make a higher bid, and partially because I thought the fans deserved a short at it too. I now regret this decision and will not be making it again.

Ha, it's too late for that buddy. Next time you post a link to an ASSEMbler forum thread, make sure it's at least in a respecatble community. The last time someone posted an ASSEMbler forum link to a "fan forum", all hell broke loose.

[Mr. Casual]

This is going to be "Forum war III" by my count. (in my time on the boards)

[TheRedEye]

I think you guys are making a pretty big deal out of nothing. There's no "forum war" going on, we just had one idiot who happened to post exactly one message in this forum - who wasn't a member of that Sonic forum at all mind you - that caused a very temporary shitstorm that's over now. Other than that we got a pretty damned hilarious thread in General by a "give me free things!" kiddy and a couple new members who are actually level-headed, cool, and could potentially be valuable members of this community. I think we made out well in the end!

[LocalH]

SWS2B is a respectable community. Don't go throwing shit around when you don't even know the place that you are speaking about.

The problem was that the auction was in the General Sonic Games forum, which is world-readable. Perhaps it would be better to post such a thread in the Members Lounge (or even better, relay it to someone who can post it in the Tech Members Lounge, since Tech Members are the more respected and mature people of the forum). My guess is that this "ratman" is someone who had become disgruntled with the Sonic scene. I feel that fucking the guys here over was just "collateral damage". If it had been handled by people that are known trustworthy in the Sonic scene, and not revealed to the public at large until the auction was done, then I think this wouldn't have happened. I see no reason to let elitism start a "we're better than them" syndrome, when we have several respectable people who visit both the Sonic scene and here (such as myself and ICEknight)

[Taemos]

Looking through the forums, it wasn't foreseeable that something like this would happen. They appear to be a trustworthy bunch - it's just one guy who felt like screwing around who fucked it over for some people.

[cahaz]

this is getting stupid, i say.

[LocalH]

Yeah, I'm just doing my part to help ensure that this ends on an amicable note between here and SWS2B, that's all.

[Blur2040]

No reason to get mad folks...Don't blame any Sonic website for the actions of some moron. Lord knows we get our fair share of idiots around here too.

[Alien Workshop]

SWS2B is a respectable community. Don't go throwing shit around when you don't even know the place that you are speaking about.


Yep, I mean who wouldn't want page long sigs and big gay avatars. Am I right? And how about that airline food? Am I right guys?

[Paulo]

Show me one person who gets away with that here though...

[GaijinPunch]

I now regret this decision and will not be making it again.

Any crazy ass prototypes for sale in the near future?

[madhatter256]

Its over, close this thread.

[LocalH]

He didn't get away with it at SWS2B, either, he's already been banned (and the only admin is Simon, with no mods).

AW: I don't understand your animosity towards SWS2B over solely a cursory examination. Spend some time there and actually read the contents of the posts. Also, if you register, there is an option to disable the viewing of a sig more than one time on a page (and of course the customary "disable sigs" setting).

[Alien Workshop]

AW: I don't understand your animosity towards SWS2B over solely a cursory examination. Spend some time there and actually read the contents of the posts. Also, if you register, there is an option to disable the viewing of a sig more than one time on a page (and of course the customary "disable sigs" setting).

I'm sure there are some good posters over there (I'm not saying there isn't because even NG has some good posters), but the overall presentation is a bit much for me. Also, I'm not a big Sonic fan, so I doubt I would be able to contribute much to it anyway.

[TheRedEye]

Any crazy ass prototypes for sale in the near future?

mmmmmmmmmmmmaybe!

I'll email you if anything comes up.

[GaijinPunch]

mmmmmmmmmmmmaybe!

I'll email you if anything comes up.

Would appreciate it. :)

And, thanks for doing a thankless job. I think you handled it quite well.

[TheRedEye]

Would appreciate it. :)

And, thanks for doing a thankless job. I think you handled it quite well.

It ended with beer, as all things should.

[cahaz]

even life.

[TheRedEye]

Especially life.

[Benedict_Arnold]

If this whole auction was fake, then this was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I wasted hours of my life reading all the posts and visiting the forum every 5 minutes to see updates. OMG, now I know why I'm going to auction off all my import Saturn games.

[LocalH]

No, the whole auction wasn't fake. Just ratman. He's a prick.

[Topic Archive]

No, the whole auction wasn't fake. Just ratman. He's a prick.


...And he had a tattoo of Sonic the Hedgehog :smt009

[TheRedEye]

...And he had a tattoo of Sonic the Hedgehog :smt009

How will his little brother ever get Sonic Xtreme now?

[Anthaemia.]

Maybe it's a good thing that I didn't get too involved with this whole topic much earlier on, as you know that I have a tendency to write huge amounts when a subject motivates me!

Anyway, it's also good to know that a few people here (mentioning no names, Yakumo!) were also disappointed at the lack of quantity on this disc. The fact is that Sonic X-Treme was produced in short yet ultimately disappointing bursts for various graphics engines, and finding anything worthwhile on the Saturn is virtually impossible. Even the infamous E3 demo was very basic, and considering that Sega Technical Institute was using the NiGHTS engine quite late on into the game's development, it should be obvious to us all now that they were NEVER going to get this game finished - kind of like Duke Nukem Forever, in fact!

To bring my time in this thread to a close, I'm disappointed that the Sonic fan community is once again at war, and hopefully one day a worthwhile prototype (wasn't a four-level PC demo later produced?) can be leaked. Also, I should point out that no discs of Shenmue in its early Saturn incarnation are known to exist, as this game wasn't shown to the public until well after its shift to the Dreamcast. Besides, from what is known to have been completed of the 32-bit version, it wouldn't have even fit on a single disc!

One rumour is that the entire story would have been released on eight discs, with two chapters to each. Following this theory, it's likely that AM2 deliberately previewed only the first disc of "Shenmue" (or whatever it would have been known as back then - Virtua Fighter RPG? Akira's Quest? Something else, even?) in an effort to keep the saga's conclusion a secret. Unfortunately, there's been a change in Sega's output between the release of that footage in 2001 and now, so who knows if we'll ever get to see the proper ending of Yu Suzuki's original vision? Also, just how much of the Saturn version was actually complete? Judging from that video, it's almost as if the first few chapters were totally finished, as long as AM2 were not lying and it genuinely was playable on a standalone console. By my reckoning, all they'd really need to do is remove those debug and frame counters (or they could leave them in, if they wanted - it's their game!) and we could finally enjoy at least the first two Dreamcast games as they were originally intended.

I once read somewhere that the entire project was 80% complete (which may explain how development of the series cost so much to produce), though I'm not sure if this is an official figure or the result of somebody comparing what we've all seen to the final 128-bit versions. Still, there's definitely two separate revisions of Virtua Fighter 3 also out there - and we know for certain that these were both completed. Finding them, on the other hand, is our challenge now. After the disappointment of this whole X-Treme fiasco, my confidence is fading quickly. Does anyone know a way into AM2's vault?

[GaijinPunch]

Still, there's definitely two separate revisions of Virtua Fighter 3 also out there - and we know for certain that these were both completed.

How do we know this?

[wheelaa]

I've read on these very forums that there were 2 versions of VF3. Didn't one use an add-on cart which contained extra hardware? Iirc someone was known to have one version and the add on cart too!

There's this thread

http://assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5287&highlight=virtua+fighter

Good for a read:)

[Borisz]

I would so laugh my pants if PACHUKA had anything to do with this one way or another. (hey, he has a Sonic tattoo like this ratman claimed to have)

[Nicola]

just curious, is there any legal action SEGA or someone like it may do against the winner of something like that?
I know that sellers of this kind are obligated by contract to not distribute items...but what if someone different owns something like that?

[Paulo]

yes there is. They can take it back make you sign an nda and lots of other things.

[Hawanja]

yes there is. They can take it back make you sign an nda and lots of other things.


Problably why the collector wanted to remain anonymous.

Damn, I miss a thread for one day and all hell breaks loose.

So this ratman guy was full of boolshit huh? What a fucking dirtbag. I even sent him a congradulatory PM on how cool I thought what he was doing was. I've said it before, We need to show those out in internet land that you do not fuck with assembler.

What's this asshole's IP address?

[LocalH]

I don't have his IP address, because I'm pretty sure he's been using proxies. I can grab some of the IPs he's used from a chat log and PM them to you, if you want.

I don't know if his actual IP has been exposed. An article (http://shit.sclassic.net/index.php/Sonic_X-treme_beta_auction) was written for SHIT (http://shit.sclassic.net) while the event was still fresh on our minds, in order to help prevent anything like this from happening again. It got protected because good old ratman decided to vandalize it, so if anyone wants to update it a bit and add some of the perspective from this side, contact me or one of the other SHIT maintainers. Anyway, in his vandalism, he mentioned "Y!TunnelPro". I've never used that software, so I don't know it's full functionality, and whether that is true or not, but if it is, then his IPs are not accurate.

[Paulo]

pm me the ip addresses.

[LocalH]

Done.

[madhatter256]

Send me the IP address too. In fact, Assembler can get the IP from when he posted here too. I doubt he took the measure to mask his IP when he did.

[Paulo]

ive checked the ip adresses and nothing interesting as a result.

[LocalH]

Yeah, I didn't find anything interesting either. Still, might be good for preemptively preventing him from coming back here. I wouldn't be surprised if the IP here matches one of those (but if it doesn't, I wouldn't mind having it).

[Solly]

I would so laugh my pants if PACHUKA had anything to do with this one way or another. (hey, he has a Sonic tattoo like this ratman claimed to have)

Pachuka might have done... he's enough kiddy for such things
but it sounds strange..
his pleasure is to steal stuffs and release forbidden stuffs from Sonic Team...
I'm not sure he would keep it for himself...

he can even hack others computer to have what he wants...
and Sonic Xtreme would have been a master piece,
even himself never got hands on it
he always said on sonic cult forum he didn't

or maybe he's pissed of sonic fans, now

[Taemos]

This is kind of off-topic, but wasn't Pachuka arrested for something? I read an old thread about it on the Lost Levels forums, but the links were outdated.

[Benedict_Arnold]

well, all i know is if any of the members here faked either the auction or bidding, then their ip should be banned. I only visit these forums because there's usually no nonsense like this. Assembler and the moderators usually do an excellent job filtering out the junk. I don't know what or who to believe now. Seems odd that the seller wouldn't provide any more screens shots of the game in action with a sign that said assemblergames.com

[LocalH]

(O/T) Pachuka was arrested for "digital penetration of a minor", but this has been a while. I don't know his current status.

[Taemos]

(O/T) Pachuka was arrested for "digital penetration of a minor", but this has been a while. I don't know his current status.

Heh, I kind of wish I wouldn't have asked now. Thanks :).

[TheRedEye]

(O/T) Pachuka was arrested for "digital penetration of a minor", but this has been a while. I don't know his current status.

Wait, he got arrested just for FINGERING?

[LocalH]

That's the way I understand it. I think she was 15 or something?

[ASSEMbler]

Anyone want last licks in on flogging the dead horse?

Hey the whole interforum thing got us a spiffy new forum slogan!

[Hawanja]

Yeah, from now on it's problably a good idea to keep high profile auctions like this private.

Crap like this fiasco is the reason I haven't started my own forum.

[TheRedEye]

Yeah, it'll be completely private next time. I think I know most of the "serious" collectors, it shouldn't be a problem.

[madhatter256]

Yeah, it'll be completely private next time. I think I know most of the "serious" collectors, it shouldn't be a problem.

I think it should be semi-private. Just don't get involved next time lol.

[GaijinPunch]

(O/T) Pachuka was arrested for "digital penetration of a minor", but this has been a while. I don't know his current status.

Does that mean he fingered someone under 18, or he had cyber sex with them?

[Benedict_Arnold]

Can we stop the posting about fingering?? Who really cares?

[Nicola]

a Sonic Extreme thread that talks about fingering is just a little bit OT im my humble opinion

[GaijinPunch]

Who really cares?

Obviously the people inquiring about it.

[Blur2040]

I think any well established member here would have been a perfectly acceptable buyer. I don't think anybody would want to risk their reputation here by putting in a false bid.

Oh, and from what I gather, the dude fingered a fifteen year old the word "digital" refers to his fingers, not any sort of electronics.

[ASSEMbler]

The game is in the hands of someone TRUSTED. It is all I will say. We have no worries at all.
None, and it's sure to be safe.

[g_sepp]

Can we get video Game Footage... of him/her playing it... just to see the level...

[Topic Archive]

...That's already been done and posted several days ago.

[Fabrizo]

...That's already been done and posted several days ago.

Missed that. Link?

[Benedict_Arnold]

Missed that. Link?

I missed that too and I was looking at that thread every other minute. I thought right until the end people were questioning if it was legit.

[PhantasyStar]

I think this might be what oe was talking about:

http://www.lostlevels.org/stuff/xtreme/01.jpg

[Benedict_Arnold]

I think this might be what oe was talking about:



But this isn't a video which is what I thought. Plus, I thought someone requested another picture taken with someone holding a sign of AssemblerGames.Com.

[PhantasyStar]

Sorry, I thought of it meaning just footage of the "video game," i.e. anything showing the game.

[TheRedEye]

There was video posted that had my email address slapped on it by the seller, which I don't want spread around to every Sonic fan site in the world. I was promised him an un-watermarked version for everyone to see, which I haven't gotten yet. I'll keep you guys updated.

[link343]

Can we get copy of this demo?

[Anthaemia.]

I've read on these very forums that there were 2 versions of VF3. Didn't one use an add-on cart which contained extra hardware?

This was disproved as yet another myth long ago, as Yu Suzuki himself said - in reference to not only the Shenmue Saturn Version footage, but also the two complete attempts at Virtua Fighter 3 - that AM2's work ran on nothing more than a stock Saturn. In fact, the whole "Eclipse" cartridge project was developed by Sega of America with no involvement from their Japanese counterparts. Details of this upgrade are still vague, but it's likely that Lockheed Martin's Real 3D technology was utilised, as this appeared in the Model 3 board. However, development of Saturn VF3 was boosted with the discovery of then-new programming techniques, even though it ultimately appeared too late for a release. One thing for sure is that if either revision of VF3 was to show up (or Shenmue, even), it would be a lot more worthwhile than what was playable of Sonic X-Treme. There are few prototypes where video clips have more content than whatever ends up being leaked, and this game seems to be one such example...

[wombat]

There was video posted that had my email address slapped on it by the seller, which I don't want spread around to every Sonic fan site in the world. I was promised him an un-watermarked version for everyone to see, which I haven't gotten yet. I'll keep you guys updated.
if he doesnt supply an un-watermarked video.. then i can remove the watermark, or well.. censor it :D

[TheRedEye]

if he doesnt supply an un-watermarked video.. then i can remove the watermark, or well.. censor it :D

It's scrolling text that covers the whole screen, you really can't. The buyer is providing a nice high-res video for everyone, just be patient.

[ratman4life221]

Ok let's get a couple things straight here since things have cooled down over the last 2 weeks.

1. I AM NOT Perfect Chaos. (Do you really think PC is smart enough to come up with something like this?)
2. I did this for revenge against certain members of the Sonic Community.
3. I am really a respected member of the Sonic Community under another name.
4. LocalH is a complete bastard.


As for other things like the name Ratman221, google it and you will find your answer.

If you have any questions, comments, interview requests, or anything of the sort please email me at ratman4life221@yahoo.com (No, you won't get my IP since I use alot of proxies.)

BTW, LocalH....Y!TunnelPro is a Yahoo! Messenger program www.ytunnelpro.com (http://www.ytunnelpro.com) check it out.

Also, I will be also creating a AIM name which those in the Sonic Community can talk to me if they wish, Expecially LocalH...I wan't to have a little chat with you the most.

P.S. I'm not Pach, Although I know him real well in person. (He's out of jail too BTW.)

Well that pretty much covers everything, I'll be seeing you all sooner than you think!

See You Next Game,
Ratman221 AKA The Great Red Rat

[GaijinPunch]

5: You are a dork.

"respected member of the Sonic Community". Now I have some material to masturbate to. Thanks.

I really don't think you got any "revenge" on anyone. I doubt anyone here would go over $2500. I've got the dough, and love protos, and wouldn't go a penny over $1200 (and even that made my asshole pucker up).

[PhantasyStar]

5: You are a dork.

"respected member of the Sonic Community". Now I have some material to masturbate to. Thanks.

I really don't think you got any "revenge" on anyone. I doubt anyone here would go over $2500. I've got the dough, and love protos, and wouldn't go a penny over $1200 (and even that made my asshole pucker up).

LoL, hilarious post there, Gajin :D

[madhatter256]

" 2. I did this for revenge against certain members of the Sonic Community."

This is not the place to get revenge because you ended up making more enemies in the process..

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7011/xd9small9hb.th.jpg (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xd9small9hb.jpg)

Don't ever come here again.

[The Dreaming Eye]

SNIP*interview requests*SNIP
We have a celebrity in our midst!

[olivieryuyu]

the thread is going to be funny ....

lol

[sabre470]

3. I am really a respected member of the Sonic Community under another name.


Looks like somebody's got personal disorders!!?? oh and you're a such a hypocrite...



2. I did this for revenge against certain members of the Sonic Community.


How pathetic is that??? What are you??? Like 8 or something???

Look kid go back to your mummy for some more education and tell her that you're a sad moron and in the mean time go fuck yourself :smtassho:



If you have any questions, comments, interview requests, or anything of the sort please email me at ratman4life221@yahoo.com (No, you won't get my IP since I use alot of proxies.)

As for the size of your ego...do us all a favour get out of this community, thanks.

Yours faithfully

Sabre :D

[LocalH]

HAHAHAHAH

What a pud. He thinks he's respected?

[ASSEMbler]

http://www.sonicxtreme.com/

[Roi]

*bookmarked

[PhreQuencYViii]

OMFG ALL OF THIS WENT ON AND I MISSED OUT ON IT????

AUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG :angry :no

[Mark30001]

OMFG ALL OF THIS WENT ON AND I MISSED OUT ON IT????

AUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG :angry :no

:smt082

[Jasonkhowell]

Figures this would happen...The main problem with the Sonic community is that very few are kind, good people who will do things for the good of the communty (Simon Wai), while the others are shitheads who like to do shit like this (Such as how this turned out). Then again, this is the problem with posting a semi-private forum on a community with immature kids.

[PhreQuencYViii]

So does anyone know if the dude who bought it is going to do the pressed cd thing with assembler? If they were sold for like 20$ or so a pop he'd probably make the money he used for the auction back.

[LocalH]

Probably not, since the buyer is a collector. I'm sure he's probably backed up the disc for his own private protection (it's stupid not to), but if he does end up releasing a bin/cue to the public I'd be quite surprised, given the amount of money he put into it.

[Taemos]

To be honest, I don't really care if it gets released. It would've been interesting to play the game, but a video is just as good to me. From what I keep seeing, there would only have been maybe a few minutes worth of playtime in it.

[PhreQuencYViii]

A movie would be excellent too...............he's going to do the movie thing, right?
aaaaaaaah man....I think it's so cool someone finally got ahold of some of it.

[Anthaemia.]

I really don't understand why somebody's paid so much and then made the effort to buy sonicxtreme.com just to show off what could be described in any language as nothing more than a simple tech demo (by my reckoning, that project will have run its course in no time at all unless somebody finds something REALLY worthwhile hidden away on that disc).

Why can't we all just face facts and accept that Sonic X-Treme in playable form will never live up to expectations? Even the earlier 1996 E3 demo had more variety in its content, and I'll find more looking at screenshots than I ever will from a basic single-level demo - though whether even magazine pictures actually come from genuine Saturn code or not is looking more doubtful by the day, especially if this latest discovery is any indication of how little STI had managed to produce.

Call me an optimist, but I can't see in any way how X-Treme could possibly have been completed in time for the game's planned Christmas '96 release date if this demo is all they had done by October the same year. My attention is now turning to other known unreleased Saturn titles, in particular the holy grail that is Virtua Fighter 3 (either finished version) and whatever exists of VF RPG/Akira's Quest/Project Berkeley/Shenmue...

P.S. Despite my initial negativity, I'll still probably end up getting a copy of this leaked disc when it starts circulation. You know, just for the sake of being able to say that I was one of the Saturn owners who waited around long enough to own Sonic X-Treme - not as if I'll be playing it semi-religiously every day, of course!

[z3ntn3l]

I really don't understand why somebody's paid so much and then made the effort to buy sonicxtreme.com just to show off what could be described in any language as nothing more than a simple tech demo (by my reckoning, that project will have run its course in no time at all unless somebody finds something REALLY worthwhile hidden away on that disc).

I think you forget that this Disc is a very nice Item for Collectors.

Of course i never would pay so much money for this Disc because i dont have it ;-)

But i can imagine that real Collectors can pay the money.

I´m just a Saturn Fan and i just want to see the Video (if its really coming) but i think that this Disc is a very important Item for the "Collector Scene"... and of course for the Videogame History too.

[Mark30001]

Was this game actually cancelled to be ported to the Sega Dreamcast as Sonic Adventure? If so, are there any similarities between the 2 games, music/story plot/some levels?

[Anthaemia.]

There's no doubting the importance of this disc to Saturn enthusiasts, but what's being lost is the fact that Sonic X-Treme in any playable form will never live up to the expectation and hype surrounding this title, or at least that's the conclusion I had to come up with based on everything I've read about the game so far. I definitely consider myself a massive Saturn fanatic, though I'm still not really sure why so much fuss is being made over this particular game when there are more complete prototypes (and some finished masters) in existence that are going to waste - surely it would make a lot more sense if the community worked together in order to save these as opposed to what is a glorified demo disc? If the E3 build or even a later PC version was leaked, we might even be able to get more from the X-Treme myth. As it is, most people seem content to just have what's available instead of looking for anything else. Then again, is the new owner of X-Treme actually releasing anything? To pass the time until we get some kind of answer to this question, somebody could get in touch with the former STI members who are known to have their own builds, as these may have more content. Also, as I said before, there are other games out there which are of interest, and many of these are more complete than X-Treme ever will be. Unlike this game, however, I have a feeling that obtaining something like Virtua Fighter 3 would require a lot more effort, so why isn't more of an effort being made searching for the many unreleased Saturn titles that are currently (and presumably) locked away somewhere?

P.S. Although both games were developed by two completely separate entities within Sega, there are some uncanny similarities between Sonic Adventure and (what has been seen of) X-Treme. However, to say that one is a port of the other would be completely wrong. The most realistic assumption is that Sonic Team was looking over its proverbial shoulder, taking what it considered STI's best leftover ideas for its own Adventure. Certain musical themes in this game were also used in the MegaDrive version of Sonic 3D, and if you also think of Sonic World on the Saturn as an early prototype of how the character would function in a polygonal environment then it's possible to create quite a lengthy timeline for Adventure's gestation period. Once again, though, I must emphasise that X-Treme did not become Adventure. In fact, Yuji Naka probably didn't want STI to use his team's NiGHTS engine because it was also powering an early Saturn attempt at a 3D Sonic game - could the hidden bonus in Christmas NiGHTS be another clue as to the true origin of Sonic Adventure?

[Mark30001]

Well, you could try contacting Sonic Team. I've sent them both an email & postal mail about music from one of their games, Sonic Adventure.

...they never responded back. I sometimes have doubts about the addresses I send them mail to, which is a San Francisco address. I was thinking the place I should send to is a Japan address, but the California one is the only one I found...

[Anthaemia.]

From what I can remember, Sonic Team was originally based in Sega's Japanese headquarters before moving to San Francisco in late 1991/early 1992, supposedly because they wanted Sonic 2 to have more worldwide appeal (which it got, thanks to the input of STI's designers). I believe they remained in the US for Adventure, switching back to Japan mid-development. It's possible they still have a contact address in America, but Sonic Team will always be associated with Sega as one of its Japanese units so perhaps you're better contacting them there? However, as somebody who has tried getting in touch with AM2 before, I guarantee that you'll be disappointed with the lack of a response. If you are lucky enough to receive a response from Sega, it's almost certainly going to be a stock answer by a publicist in either Europe or America, so don't expect too much that we don't already know...

[Mark30001]

There's no doubting the importance of this disc to Saturn enthusiasts, but what's being lost is the fact that Sonic X-Treme in any playable form will never live up to the expectation and hype surrounding this title, or at least that's the conclusion I had to come up with based on everything I've read about the game so far. I definitely consider myself a massive Saturn fanatic, though I'm still not really sure why so much fuss is being made over this particular game when there are more complete prototypes (and some finished masters) in existence that are going to waste - surely it would make a lot more sense if the community worked together in order to save these as opposed to what is a glorified demo disc? If the E3 build or even a later PC version was leaked, we might even be able to get more from the X-Treme myth. As it is, most people seem content to just have what's available instead of looking for anything else. Then again, is the new owner of X-Treme actually releasing anything? To pass the time until we get some kind of answer to this question, somebody could get in touch with the former STI members who are known to have their own builds, as these may have more content. Also, as I said before, there are other games out there which are of interest, and many of these are more complete than X-Treme ever will be. Unlike this game, however, I have a feeling that obtaining something like Virtua Fighter 3 would require a lot more effort, so why isn't more of an effort being made searching for the many unreleased Saturn titles that are currently (and presumably) locked away somewhere?

P.S. Although both games were developed by two completely separate entities within Sega, there are some uncanny similarities between Sonic Adventure and (what has been seen of) X-Treme. However, to say that one is a port of the other would be completely wrong. The most realistic assumption is that Sonic Team was looking over its proverbial shoulder, taking what it considered STI's best leftover ideas for its own Adventure. Certain musical themes in this game were also used in the MegaDrive version of Sonic 3D, and if you also think of Sonic World on the Saturn as an early prototype of how the character would function in a polygonal environment then it's possible to create quite a lengthy timeline for Adventure's gestation period. Once again, though, I must emphasise that X-Treme did not become Adventure. In fact, Yuji Naka probably didn't want STI to use his team's NiGHTS engine because it was also powering an early Saturn attempt at a 3D Sonic game - could the hidden bonus in Christmas NiGHTS be another clue as to the true origin of Sonic Adventure?

Possibly... In the actual GD-ROM data of Sonic Adventure, there are 3 songs never used in the game, only one of them heard in the Tokyo Sonic Team Conference of August 22, 1998.

One is named Sonic_CD.adx, and the other 2 are Nights_A.adx & Nights_B.adx. The files large, so I uploaded them with an ADX player to the rare media FTP.

[Anthaemia.]

I've never actually seen the Sonic Adventure press conference, but it's great to know that its music is hidden away on the final disc! Also, the use of NiGHTS files and the pinball tribute to that particular game further proves that Sonic Team's first Dreamcast title had strong links to their past Saturn works - I wouldn't be surprised if there is an early test version for this console that also shares the same engine as NiGHTS, as there's so much locked away that we still don't know about publically...

[Mark30001]

For all those interested:

You can find a link to the Sonic Team International Conference video at this website: http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/games/html/sonic-adventure-dreamcast.htm

For all those who cannot go to the FTP, I made links for the 3 songs never used in Sonic Adventure, including the 2 labeled Nights A & S, with an ADX file player. It was better leaving them at the ADX format than WAV because of compression (CRI ADX was the song compression technology used for music in Sonic Adventure).

===============
Edit - Jan 3, 2006
===============

I doubt that anyone would check back here, but I've converted the songs into an MP3 format, which can be obtained here:

http://esnips.com/web/Mark30001sMusic

The songs are titled (Hidden)

===============
=============== I have no idea if Nights A & S were ever used in another game, but they must have had a purpose for being in the Sonic Adventure GDs...

[grap3fruitman]

The Sonic CD one was used in Station Square with the XMAS download. I think the other two were download related as well. The funny thing is, you actually missed posting the only real unused song in all of Sonic Adventure, "Station Square Past" (I think, I may be wrong as I haven't looked into SA in a while). Feel free to correct me LH, Lost, and/or Solly.

[Mark30001]

The Sonic CD one was used in Station Square with the XMAS download. I think the other two were download related as well. The funny thing is, you actually missed posting the only real unused song in all of Sonic Adventure, "Station Square Past" (I think, I may be wrong as I haven't looked into SA in a while). Feel free to correct me LH, Lost, and/or Solly.

I may be wrong about the Nights songs never being used, as I haven't played much through the CHAO portion of the game.

I can't locate the Station Square Past song in the GD-ROM folder.

[HXC]

NiGHTS is used in the pinball part, no?

[Mark30001]

Casino NIGHTS was used, but the 2 above are different songs.

[sayin999]

actually chrismass nights acappele was one of the christmass songs for station square when you were neer a treee, they had either two or three songs for station square december download.

[Mark30001]

Here's something that kinda hit me on the head.

On the picture of the *supposedly* Sonic X-treme disc, the CD-R has the label MEGA CD-R. Not only that, but the text MEGA is in the same shape/logo as the mega in Mega Drive or Mega CD. Also, if this is a truely Sega Saturn CD-R, I remember Sega Saturn CD-Rs looking a bit different from the one posted in the first thread of the AUCTION.

Was this Sonic X-treme demo on a Mega CD-R for the Sega Mega CD instead of Saturn? Was it burned onto a Sega Mega CD-R but still has Sega Saturn code? Did the ex-employee use a Sega Saturn System Disc?

http://www.segagagadomain.com/saturn6/cdr-disc.jpg


http://www.lostlevels.org/stuff/xtreme/02.jpg
From the first post in the AUCTION thread.

[Borman]

Could be that they had left over Mega CD-Rs, or the fact that it was just closer to burn it on. Developers dont always use official media

[Taemos]

They're all just standard CD-Rs. A Mega CD-R was probably the most convenient thing to use at the time.

[mettleramiel]

hey, does anybody know if sonicxtreme.com is ever going to have any content on it or was is made just to get my hopes up?

[Unorthodox]

*waits for the "Please do not bump old threads" message*

Btw ASSEMbler, any news on that video yet? Seems simply ages...

[ASSEMbler]

Yeah it's sitting on my desk lol. Check in the new year ;-)

[Unorthodox]

Thanks ASSEMbler :)

[HXC]

I should be getting design docs from various people who worked on Xtreme soon, I'll be sure to share it!

Also there is a low chance that I may get my hands on a copy of xtreme, which I would also share.

[sonik]

Yeah it's sitting on my desk lol. Check in the new year ;-)

Can't wait to see ;)

[PhreQuencYViii]

Also there is a low chance that I may get my hands on a copy of xtreme, which I would also share.

REALLY can't wait to see. http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/images/smilies/110.gif

Have you just been contacting Chris Senn and them?

[Unorthodox]

Please don't get our hopes up about Sonic X-treme again... :-(

[HXC]

Oh I said might. Its still a low chance, and this isn't from senn, its from someone else ;)

[Cheese007]

(angels in backround singing alleuia:lol: )

[madhatter256]

Oh I said might. Its still a low chance, and this isn't from senn, its from someone else ;)

Well you won't be the second or third person to get a copy if you do. I would sure like to get my hands on the demo and compare it to something else...