View Full Version : say hello to the next wave of super graphic games
cahaz
08-24-2005, 06:27 PM
after the doom3 and hl2 wave, i'm proud to present you ut2007:
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc004.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc003.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc007.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc008.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc001.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc011.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc002.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc012.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc010.jpg
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/pc/u/t/ut07pc005.jpg
and this is in real time, in game. Better than anything else i've seen so far. Makes me wonder if killzone 2 is possible
Mr. Casual
08-24-2005, 06:43 PM
Hope its real time.
cahaz
08-24-2005, 06:45 PM
it is. didn't you read the end of my post?
Mr. Casual
08-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Yes, but Im a little skeptical.
neomatrix
08-24-2005, 06:52 PM
is for 360?
cahaz
08-24-2005, 06:52 PM
yeah, that's really good looking. bu then again, UT was always two step in advance of the competition, graphic wise. Here there's no pc platform hyping, unlike console power hype, 'cause there's no real war, mind you.
PhantasyStar
08-24-2005, 07:04 PM
Man those are awesome graphics.
cahaz
08-24-2005, 07:21 PM
is for 360?
i think it's supposed to be on ps3 also, but not for 360.
Mr. Casual
08-24-2005, 07:25 PM
Oh, its on PS3? That changes everything! Its real 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cahaz
08-24-2005, 07:31 PM
those are pc screenshots, who said the ps3 version will look like this?
socialdrone
08-24-2005, 07:35 PM
everything still looks like its made out of plastic
Mr. Casual
08-24-2005, 07:46 PM
I just went to IGN.com and they said that there will be an Xbox 360 version, and BTW Cahaz, you never clear about those being pc screenshots or not in the first place.
And saying this:
"Makes me wonder if killzone 2 is possible"
Why were you comparing PS3 graphics to a PC game, anyway?
Mark30001
08-24-2005, 07:49 PM
everything still looks like its made out of plastic
o_0
Man, those are some awesome graphics! Sooner or later, a game you might be playing would look like an actual movie with real people... only, its not...
cahaz
08-24-2005, 07:52 PM
hum...yeah, well, i must admit that it was unclear. it's just that killzone 2 seemed unrealistic, but now it could be possible (well, if you forget those unreal too real animations). Killzone 2 is the first game with ''next wave graphics'' that doesn't look like it's made with plastic.
RyanGamerGoneGrazy
08-24-2005, 08:19 PM
do you thing ut2k7 could on on my 386 with 4 megs of ram and 50byte hdd with windows 3.1?
its amazing how far we've come in several months...it makes doom3 and hl2 look old
That looks fucking amazing. Probably running on SLI GTX's. It's going to take some serious power to run that game at 60 frames a second.
Mark30001
08-24-2005, 08:23 PM
do you thing ut2k7 could on on my 386 with 4 megs of ram and 50byte hdd with windows 3.1?
I know it might run on my P4 3.0 GHz 1 GB RAM with Windows 3.11 for Workgroups :D.
madhatter256
08-24-2005, 08:26 PM
That looks fucking amazing. Probably running on SLI GTX's. It's going to take some serious power to run that game at 60 frames a second.
Some of the screenshots they showed back in E3 actually ran less than 20fps and it was running on the latest and greatest hardware, which was a 6800 Ultra. The 7800 came out shortly after and hopefully, when its SLIed it will be able handle the game much better. The game itself is finished, its just that they are working on the engine so that todays current hardware will be able to handle it exceptionally well, which in thus lets the PS3 and 360 run the game just the same as well.
i think it's supposed to be on ps3 also, but not for 360.
That would make sense because ATI chipsets suck at OpenGL.
In a year I'm going to have to upgrade to a better computer since Nvidia is only using PCI-E. My current Shuttle has an 8x AGP slot so I'm screwed.
Mr. Casual
08-24-2005, 08:46 PM
hum...yeah, well, i must admit that it was unclear. it's just that killzone 2 seemed unrealistic, but now it could be possible (well, if you forget those unreal too real animations). Killzone 2 is the first game with ''next wave graphics'' that doesn't look like it's made with plastic.
Actually, if you checked my thread, Killzone II for the PS3 is now called Killzone III.
madhatter256
08-24-2005, 10:27 PM
That would make sense because ATI chipsets suck at OpenGL.
In a year I'm going to have to upgrade to a better computer since Nvidia is only using PCI-E. My current Shuttle has an 8x AGP slot so I'm screwed.
I'm pretty sure the Unreal 3 engine uses Direct3D because they are utilizing nothing but DirectX9 (which is something the ATI excels at, than Nvidia) features which the Xbox360 will have a greater advantage over the PS3.
Your right. Wasn't the original Unreal an OpenGL game? I could have sworn it was. That's pretty much where I left off in the series. Personally I thought UT2004 was pretty weak.
cahaz
08-24-2005, 10:48 PM
2k3 was good, but 2k4 wasn't my cup of tea. Anyway, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, UT2k3 and UT 2k4 were all open gl games. 2k3 and 2k4 even have linux installers hidden on the discs (linux supports opengl) , and both have nvidia ads in them (at the beginning of the game, and in match)
Putzi
08-24-2005, 10:48 PM
Wow those are some sweet graphics! Too bad my pc will never be able to run that game.:smt022
Johnny
08-24-2005, 11:19 PM
Damn. I still run Doom3 and HL2 with some stuff turned off (some are because my videocard don't support directx 9.0c stuff).
Borman
08-24-2005, 11:26 PM
My friend is running dual 7800GTXs, its awesome, but itll be interesting to see how something like that runs. Man, that PC was a bitch to build lol
Kotodama
08-24-2005, 11:31 PM
For some reason I think that the Unreal series were big proponents of DirectX back in the day. Don't know now.
Topic Archive
08-25-2005, 02:20 AM
...I like, but then I've always liked the Unreal Engine's.
JTI2K
08-25-2005, 04:01 PM
I saw this pics 2 days ago (well, except the close-ups)
I know a guy who worked at Epic as subcontratist and has a few contacts there. He says the game isnt done yet, barely the engine and a few test levels. Those images are from a Quad (4) Opteron system, which means no one would be able to run it until the new Merom Pentiums come out (or the AthlonX2 4800 goes for less than 1000 bucks)
Anyways, this thing runs in the same engine that the X360 exclusive Gears of War, so when this Unreal comes out (maybe for fall 2006) console gamers will already know what is to play in the new generation ;)
I was a PCero, but since the 7800 went for 700$ im really looking foward to a nestgen console, specially since the X360 is goin to be 1 year ahead of ANY PC (even the new pentiums)
Lets be honest: today being a PC gamer is too fucking expensive
>End of Line
I saw this pics 2 days ago (well, except the close-ups)
I know a guy who worked at Epic as subcontratist and has a few contacts there. He says the game isnt done yet, barely the engine and a few test levels. Those images are from a Quad (4) Opteron system, which means no one would be able to run it until the new Merom Pentiums come out (or the AthlonX2 4800 goes for less than 1000 bucks)
Anyways, this thing runs in the same engine that the X360 exclusive Gears of War, so when this Unreal comes out (maybe for fall 2006) console gamers will already know what is to play in the new generation ;)
I was a PCero, but since the 7800 went for 700$ im really looking foward to a nestgen console, specially since the X360 is goin to be 1 year ahead of ANY PC (even the new pentiums)
Lets be honest: today being a PC gamer is too fucking expensive
>End of Line
Today is the cheapest PC gaming era. 10 years ago PC's were extremely expensive. I agree this stuff is still really expensive but if you want to play the best looking games then you have no choice.
Consoles always fall behind PC technology fast and I don't think the 360 is going to change that. It will only be a matter of time when a PC game gets ported to a console and it has to be dumbed down so it can play on the hardware. With in a year PPU's will be coming out and they will completely change the way games will be.
BTW: The 7800's go for less than $500 now.
cahaz
08-25-2005, 07:31 PM
PPU's ?
JTI2K
08-25-2005, 07:41 PM
Phisics Processing Units (PPUs). I see alot of hype with that stuff. The only maker is a company named Agea, and they are too damn expensive (like a semi-high end video card) Honestly, I dont see people buyin them. Maybe when they integrate them in videocards (and not as a stand alone PCI card) they`ll became a mainstream product.
We cant compare the early 3D era (95-97) with today. With "soaring prices" I meant compared to 99-last year, when a good videocard went for 300$, and didnt loose their power so quickly. And the 500$ 7800 is the GT "crippled" one.
And well, thats why im leaving from PCgaming, the X360 boost a wide array of possibilities, a higher "bang per buck" ratio than PCs. Im sick of constant upgrades and stuff. Lets say this is my personal take on this problems. I dont critize anyone who want to stay on the path.
Neon Knight
08-25-2005, 08:39 PM
Phisics Processing Units (PPUs). I see alot of hype with that stuff. The only maker is a company named Agea, and they are too damn expensive (like a semi-high end video card) Honestly, I dont see people buyin them. Maybe when they integrate them in videocards (and not as a stand alone PCI card) they`ll became a mainstream product.
We cant compare the early 3D era (95-97) with today. With "soaring prices" I meant compared to 99-last year, when a good videocard went for 300$, and didnt loose their power so quickly. And the 500$ 7800 is the GT "crippled" one.
And well, thats why im leaving from PCgaming, the X360 boost a wide array of possibilities, a higher "bang per buck" ratio than PCs. Im sick of constant upgrades and stuff. Lets say this is my personal take on this problems. I dont critize anyone who want to stay on the path.
Indeed, if you want XBOX360 type graphics on your PC you'll need at least 1500 U$S. Besides, it usually takes one or two years before PCs put up to date with new consoles, before that the best you can get is overprised and underpowered graphics cards an CPUs.
@JTI2K: Nope many of the GTX's go for less than $500. Just check out Newegg.
Indeed, if you want XBOX360 type graphics on your PC you'll need at least 1500 U$S. Besides, it usually takes one or two years before PCs put up to date with new consoles, before that the best you can get is overprised and underpowered graphics cards an CPUs.
Sure if you buy a whole new PC. The great thing about PC's is that they are upgradeable. Just pop a better videocard in and your good to go.
Also, I'm not sure where you got your info on PC's being 1 or two years behind consoles. PC's were much more powerful when the PS2 came out. When the Xbox came out it's CPU and amount of RAM were horribly outdated the only special thing the Xbox had was a slightly higher clocked videocard that was surpassed in very little time in the PC market.
JTI2K
08-25-2005, 09:21 PM
@JTI2K: Nope many of the GTX's go for less than $500. Just check out Newegg.
Im mean here, im in Argentina
When the Xbox came out it's CPU and amount of RAM were horribly outdated the only special thing the Xbox had was a slightly higher clocked videocard
As far as I know, the GF4 was already on the market, and Xbox sports a souped up GF3Ti.
The X360 is diferent, it has 3 G5 CPUs (2 already kick butts) and a GPU from ATI thats due to release for PC in mid-fall 2006. In other words, even if you had the money its impossible to get a PC as powerful as the X360, for now.....
BTW, is easier to take advantage of the resources in a console, thanks to their unified structure and the fact that they dont run on a OS. HL2 is impossible on a 700Mhz P3, let alone with a GF3. But there you go, running on Xbox......
Borman
08-25-2005, 09:33 PM
It has a 3 CORE CPU, not 3 CPUs, though how they describe it is confusing at times
It has a 3 CORE CPU, not 3 CPUs, though how they describe it is confusing at times
That fucker is a triple core?!?!?!?
Who ever said Microsoft is only losing $150 per console was full of shit.
madhatter256
08-25-2005, 10:15 PM
It has a 3 CORE CPU, not 3 CPUs, though how they describe it is confusing at times
3 COREs!! I thought it was 2.
madhatter256
08-25-2005, 10:22 PM
Indeed, if you want XBOX360 type graphics on your PC you'll need at least 1500 U$S. Besides, it usually takes one or two years before PCs put up to date with new consoles, before that the best you can get is overprised and underpowered graphics cards an CPUs.
If I upgrade my 9600Pro to a 9800Pro I will be able to push the graphic capabilities the XBOX360 touts and It will only cost me $130 at the most. One thing I find a turn off in buying the xbox 360 is the expensive REQUIRED accessories like the $100 20gig hard drive, I can buy a 250gig HDD for less than $90 (heres the proof: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WD2500JD-R.
Also, the 7800GT, which is "mid-range" within the high end graphics card spectrum costs $400 and can push more than the xbox 360 by itself, graphically.
It has been, and will be for years to come, that the PC will always be ahead of the game as far as graphics goes. When the XBOX 360 comes out the PC will be ahead of the game already, in fact, it is right now with GPUs such as the 6800 series and 7800. Grant it, price is a factor for the consumer who can spend so much, so of course xbox 360 will be in favor for those who can not shell out $5,000 for a top of the line PC. In fact, for $5,000 i can buy a decent Acura Integra!! I hope you guys don't think that I'm bashing consoles etc.
Borman
08-25-2005, 10:47 PM
Radeon 9800pro will not touch the 360. I dont see why you think that. Nor will it require a HDD. And the 7800 will be lucky to push it out.
Sonikku
08-26-2005, 09:14 AM
Yea, the 9800, while a good card, is NOT on the same level as the 360.
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1696/726_0001.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1275/full-res/1122094938.jpg
Sorry for the size, but that is actual res (1280x720 Progressive scan)
I have a fairly top of the line GeForce 6800 and I doubt i could do that, certainly not at that resolution while maintaining a 1/2 decent frame rate.
SuperGrafx
08-26-2005, 09:28 AM
Nice pics. The style reminds me of "Gears of War"
Survival Tobita
08-26-2005, 11:09 AM
I would reserve judgement until these systems actually get out of the Hyperbolic Chambers and into where you can actually see them. They've taught me over the years not to trust screenshots :P I would agree with madhatter on this to a point: I had been seriously neglecting PC games for quite a while myself and I think now is a good time to revisit some things I've missed (this applies equally for older consoles); a 9800Pro would run pretty much anything more than a year old at max settings depending on resolution, and can run new games pretty nicely too. Number two, the only Xbox360 launch title worth a damn IMO is Oblivion, which I can run on hardware I already own, and since I don't have an HDTV (and won't until my old one blows up) would look just as good if not better. Number 3, console gaming will be just as expensive as PC gaming if Microsoft and Sony get their way, it seems. Also, there's that whole "just because better hardware exists doesn't mean you need it" thing, but that's a whole other topic entirely. Personally I see far more reasons to wait, chill out, and enjoy what I have. And maybe then Sony and MS will kill each other off before the Revolution comes out (yeah right)
the_steadster
08-26-2005, 12:29 PM
One thing most people aren't taking into account when they talk about the hard disk cost is that it is
A) A 2.5" drive, not a standard 3.5" drive. This limits the number of platters and the physical size of them. $100 would buy approx a 60gb 2.5" drive at the moment
B) It may well not be a straight IDE connection to the console - This limits the number of devices which could be put in the place of the HD (I'm thinking in terms of the DC modem, where it could be replaced with dreamkara or the BBA) and also creating a good, removable connection with 40+4 pins (data+power) would be a nightmare. Most likely a USB2 controller in there, and the hard disk works over USB2 - in essence the hard disk connector on the side is simply another USB port
I'd guess it's not SATA as although this would require fewer pins, it would mean an extra controller on the mainboard. Also, can you get SATA laptop hard disks?
(note: B is pure speculation. I have made it all up out of thin air, but it sounds reasonable)
Neon Knight
08-26-2005, 01:41 PM
Sure if you buy a whole new PC. The great thing about PC's is that they are upgradeable. Just pop a better videocard in and your good to go.
It depends on what you are upgrading from, If you are looking for 360's performance you'll have to start from scratch.
Also, I'm not sure where you got your info on PC's being 1 or two years behind consoles. PC's were much more powerful when the PS2 came out. When the Xbox came out it's CPU and amount of RAM were horribly outdated the only special thing the Xbox had was a slightly higher clocked videocard that was surpassed in very little time in the PC market.
I was thinking Voodoo times, my mistake.
JTI2K
08-26-2005, 03:03 PM
It has a 3 CORE CPU, not 3 CPUs
Is the same, in fact, even better, cuz the data moves faster when they dont need to go trough a south/north bridge (like in dual-separated processors).
If I upgrade my 9600Pro to a 9800Pro I will be able to push the graphic capabilities the XBOX360 touts and It will only cost me $130
What? are u serious??! The X360 ATI GPU is BEYOND the X850XT, is the NEXT GEN, got it dude? It isnt even on sale for PC............
Also, the 7800GT, which is "mid-range" within the high end graphics card spectrum costs $400 and can push more than the xbox 360 by itself, graphically.
Wrong again, cuz the ATI GPU in the X360 is goin to be the next radeon, so is much more advanced than the X850, 7800 or even 7800GTX
And RPA, yes, it has 3 G5 3.2Ghz Cores, I already said that 3 fucking times man, thats why Im not upgrading my PC, AGAIN
If you just said triple core like everyone else does then there wouldn’t have been confusion.
BTW, HL2 on Xbox is going to look like shit. The developers are going to have to tone everything down hardcore to get it to play at even 30 fps.
JTI2K
08-26-2005, 03:34 PM
If you just said triple core like everyone else does then there wouldn’t have been confusion.
Maybe because is the same?
BTW, HL2 on Xbox is going to look like shit. The developers are going to have to tone everything down hardcore to get it to play at even 30 fps.
Aparently is looking good, better than the Doom3 port, and has some lighting efects done better than the PC version.
Go over IGN and see it by yourself
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