gpx2 to be released in america and europe?!

[cahaz]

Yes, probably. That's what the admin of the gpx2 website told me anyway.


Hello Cahaz,

Thank you for your interest in our product.
GPX2 will be release in late October.
And you guys who live in europe ,usa,asia could meet our new product line.

Kind regards,

:smt045

[RPA]

I hope it doesn't. It will be a total disaster for them. No way can they compete with Nintendo and Sony in the US.

[cahaz]

they're just not in the same category, i admit. But, while it's their biggest weakness, it's their biggest force at the same time. it won't sell billions and all, and i doubt you'll ever see this nearby a DS or something, but that's still a multimedia player, right?

[JTI2K]

They are goin to sell it online for sure, so they can keep the profit that importers did with the GP32

[cahaz]

yeah, i doubt it will ever get released in stores. In some random specialized video game shop that chosed to, maybe, but otherwise...

[Blur2040]

Only way they stand any chance is to sell it super cheap. Which they won't.

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

Why is it that so many people can't understand that a product can be sold without that meaning it's trying to compete directly with products form huge billion-dollar corporations. If Gamepark Holdings sells the GPX2 in the US or Europe (or even if they don't actually), that doesn't mean that they're trying to compete with Nintendo in anything like the same way that Sony is.

It's some sort of stupidity grown out of modern corporate capitalism that people assume that any product coming to market must be trying to establish market dominance.

You run into the same misunderstanding whenever people hear about homebrew games or software. People scoff and say, "How can thery expect to compete with the big boys."

They don't. And they don't have to. Thanks god there's still alternatives to "the big boys." There won't be for long if people can't learn to see past the capitalist monopoly paradigm.


...word is bondage...

[Yakumo]

Didn't they say that the original GP32 was also going to be released in the US and Europe? As far as I know it never happened though.

Yakumo

[RPA]

Why is it that so many people can't understand that a product can be sold without that meaning it's trying to compete directly with products form huge billion-dollar corporations. If Gamepark Holdings sells the GPX2 in the US or Europe (or even if they don't actually), that doesn't mean that they're trying to compete with Nintendo in anything like the same way that Sony is.


History my good man, history. Up till the PSP every handheld lost to GameBoy and had a pretty short life. Even left some of the companies bankrupt. I don't want this to happen to GamePark.

[JTI2K]

Even left some of the companies bankrupt. I don't want this to happen to GamePark.

Thats not the point: those portables went right against the GB, while the GP32 went on another direction, the GPX2 will follow

The problem is that the only thing that made the GP32 (and the GPX2) attractive to the public was its ability to emulate other machines. The PSP already has that capacity, and way better that what the GPX2 will be able to offer at that price point.

Plus the GPX2 is goin to use SDs, which arent cheaper than the MSduos.

[Yakumo]

Yeah but SD cards are cheaper than Sony Memory sticks :D

Yakumo

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

History my good man, history. Up till the PSP every handheld lost to GameBoy and had a pretty short life. Even left some of the companies bankrupt. I don't want this to happen to GamePark.
Every handheld that tried to compete directly with the Gameboy failed (actually, that's not true, but let's just say that it is for the sake of argument), but that's *NOT* what the GP32 or GPX2 are trying to do. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT? I don't know how else to explain it.

What would you have Gamepark Holdings do rather than "go up against Nintendo"? Not sell their system at all? They wouldn't stay in business very long that way either and during the time when they were in business, they certainly wouldn't be very interesting to you or me. So, you want them just to sell the system in Korea and not overseas? Why do you think that selling the GPX2 in the US and Europe means that they're trying to compete directly with Nintendo, but selling it in Korea doesn't? If they decide to sell it outside Korea, it doesn't mean that anything has changed except that they're now selling it outside of Korea, their business plan is still the same. Follow?


...word is bondage...

[Fabrizo]

Why do you think that selling the GPX2 in the US and Europe means that they're trying to compete directly with Nintendo, but selling it in Korea doesn't? If they decide to sell it outside Korea, it doesn't mean that anything has changed except that they're now selling it outside of Korea, their business plan is still the same.

Did Nintendo ever release the Gameboy line in Korea?

To extend the the word 'competition' into 'competing for the consumers money' would put things more into perspective. People only have so much money, and if they see two products that can do the same things, and are similarly priced, they will more often then not go with the one manufactured by the company they are more familiar with. If it is indeed released here then im sure it'll sell, but mostly to the 'hardcore' crowd who either hate the other companies with comparable devices, or who are addicted to having options.

The problem is, are these 'hardcore' people going to be enough to make GP's effort worthwile financialy? If not, and it does need general consumers, what incentive will people have to buy it?

[bnwim]

GPX2 will be distributed in Europe & US only by "little" & internet shops like this (http://www.hardcore-gamer.net:8080/tienda/product_info.php/products_id/2378?osCsid=dafda9efcb4a3d32c764b3ed2115d664) or playasia.com (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-3i-15-gpx2-70-uq6.html)


Didn't they say that the original GP32 was also going to be released in the US and Europe? As far as I know it never happened though.

Yakumo

May 2004: Virgin released GP32 BLU in Europe ... too late ...


The problem is that the only thing that made the GP32 (and the GPX2) attractive to the public was its ability to emulate other machines. The PSP already has that capacity, and way better that what the GPX2 will be able to offer at that price point.

Yes, if you can hack every firmware update, plus PSP ""only"" has 32 mb RAM


Plus the GPX2 is goin to use SDs, which arent cheaper than the MSduos.

Are you sure?

[AlbinoLove]

The Gp32 doesn't have to attempt to compete with the DS and PSP, because in the average American consumers mind, they are all the same. While they will attempt to seperate the system from its more recognized counterparts, no one will recognize it and that = no sales.
sorry if that doesnt make any sense...it did when I wrote it. :)

[cahaz]

i totally agree with sweater fish deluxe (where did he got that name from?). And the gpx2 IS designed for emulation (among other things), NOT the psp. You'll get unused screen parts, little
gameplay screens, and all, and you need to do 245 things to get the emulator to work (or any hombrew game/program), plus you won't be able to play new games soon. GPX2 seems to be way more appropriate for emulation. You won't get dead pixels, shitty battery life and something that will break in your if you sneeze for emulation and multimedia either. It will be less expensive and have 64 mb of memory and 64 mb of flash memory too. The community won't be underground, and more supported than the psp homebrew scene, for sure (i even think some psp homebrew developers will switch to the gpx2, way more friendly for this kind of thing). So , IMO, there's no comparaison.

[JTI2K]

Yes, if you can hack every firmware update, plus PSP ""only"" has 32 mb RAM

Dude, for that price you could buy a PSP for the emus and another one for the games, an 32MB of RAM doesnt mean shit when you are running on a R4000. If you mean storage, well, you got the MSduo.........

And in the pictures of the GPX2 you can see very clearly the SD logo

PS: and yes, ppl is goin to go trought all the problems to install emus in a PSP, just for pleasure of saving a couple bucks and showing their friends their H4x0rz abilities :-D

[cahaz]

i doubt the gpx2 will cost more than the psp, really.

and don't forget that tv out! :P

[JTI2K]

i doubt the gpx2 will cost more than the psp, really.

The GP32 was WAY more expensive (in the west) than the GBA, and who plays portable games in a TV?..............

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

who plays portable games in a TV?..............

the only thing that made the GP32 (and the GPX2) attractive to the public was its ability to emulate other machines.
And there's also all the people who bought Gameboy Players.

Personally, I think you're very wrong about emulation being the only thing people like about the Gamepark systems, more people I know who own GP32s are into it for the homebrew than emulation, but maybe that's because I hang out on homebrew sites more than emulation oriented ones. But even aside from emulation, I think the TV out is a great feature and I'm very happy that Gamepark Holdings (and Gamepark on the XGP, too, apparently) is including it.

I'm not even gonna respond to the other stuff going on in this thread because some of you guys don't even seem to be capable of understanding the concept I was trying to get across. That's a shame.


...word is bondage...

[JTI2K]

I'm not even gonna respond to the other stuff going on in this thread because some of you guys don't even seem to be capable of understanding the concept I was trying to get across. That's a shame.

Oh sorry! the economic and market expert has spoken! we dont deserve to listen to his incredible theories! :rolleyes:

Do you know anything about macroeconomics? You cant expect sell something when your rival has a cheaper, more known and widely distributed product. The reason why GP32 didnt end in the VG limbo was solely due to its higher-than GBA raw power and thus the capacity it had for emulation.

Homebrew didnt do shit: the only thing that is worth to be played was the RE port some french guy did for it, and not only is a port and not a real game made from scratch, but the development on it is frozen since 2003!. When Yoyo released LttleJohn for the GP32 everybody and his dog when nuts for it. How do you explain that?

Lets be serious: at the time it was the only choice, but this GPx2 is waaay too late to bring some long needed action. Now that the PSP has proven to be as easy to hack as the saturn cogswap, nobody is goin to pay the 300$ that thing is goin to cost.

BTW, the GP32 WAS a comercial failure to gamepark, they had to stop production becos they were LOSING MONEY!. What you can expect of the GPx2 now that the PSP is out? and dont start with the Zodiac, that thing was like $400 and nobody gave a shit about it, until tapwave ended up in the trash can. By the specs, the GPx2 isnt more powerful than the Zodiac, in fact it lacks power in the video and screen depts. Unless they sell it at a dirt-cheap price nobody is goin to buy it, and if they do they`ll go bankrupt since they aint goin to make profits with a console with no [official] games...........

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

Do you know anything about macroeconomics?
No, I don't which is probably why I'm capable of understanding an idea that goes against the failing paradigm of corporate "free-trade" that they beat into people not only in econics classes, but also on television, radio, newspapers and any other medium people consume blindly. I haven't been brainwashed by neo-capitalist think tanks yet.


...word is bondage...

[JTI2K]

I haven't been brainwashed by neo-capitalist think tanks yet.


Look, if i was a corporate idiot I wont even understand the whole point of the GPs. What you dont understand, and is why I ask you about macroeconomics, is that you cant compete against the uber product.

The PSP is more powerfull, cheaper and widely available that either the GP32 or the GPx2. The GBA stinks for modding and stuff, mainly becos it runs on a suckass ARM7. The GP32 and GPx2 both runs on ARM9, which are the same most PocketPcs use, the Zodiac uses a souped-up iARM9 with extra capabilities, plus it had an ATI GPU. The PSP on the other hand uses a R4000, which is WAY more powerfull than any of those CPUs.

The only reason why the x2 is goin to use the same ARM9 than the 32 is becos they are cheap and you dont need a license to use them. Plus any idiot can use them. The R4000 is pretty versatile too, but Sony has the main license. Even a SH7 (sort of a DC cpu but in portable version) is better, but is harder to ensamble, thus increasing the cost in the GPx2.

The point is: the PSP can do eveything that the GPs can, and better, and cheaper, end of the discussion.

[bnwim]

Dude, for that price you could buy a PSP for the emus and another one for the games

PSP - Europe: 249 €

GPX2 - Europe: 150-180 €

I dont´t know for other countries


an 32MB of RAM doesnt mean shit when you are running on a R4000.

Yes, nothing (ironic mode on)



And in the pictures of the GPX2 you can see very clearly the SD logo

And I asked if you are sure SD isn´t cheaper than MS.


Homebrew didnt do shit: the only thing that is worth to be played was the RE port some french guy did for it, and not only is a port and not a real game made from scratch, but the development on it is frozen since 2003!. When Yoyo released LttleJohn for the GP32 everybody and his dog when nuts for it. How do you explain that?

http://www.gp32x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,9

http://www.gp32spain.com/archivos.php?tipo=Juegos&pagina=lista

More homebrew?

http://www.gp32x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi

http://www.gp32spain.com/archivos.php?tipo=Ports&pagina=lista

Latest relases? GPMame 1.5 (http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/)

[JTI2K]

Haha, dude, I AM A MEMBER OF GP32 SPAIN :fu

And BTW, I didnt hear of any oficial price anouncements by either of the parts involved.............

[bnwim]

Haha, dude, I AM A MEMBER OF GP32 SPAIN :fu

And ...?, if you said RE port is the better homebrew software on GP32 I can think you don´t visit GP32 websites ... or you are mistaken ...

[A. Snow]

I'll be honest in that I've never really followed the GP32 scene. From what I know though I see it as this. If they try to go up against Nintendo and Sony in the global market they'll fail. It's that simple. It doesn’t matter if their system is better than the DS and PSP combined. They simply don't have the resources or name recognition. That being said if they tailor their marketing to their core market namely homebrew and emulation. They can grow and thrive in that niche market much like the Neo Geo did in the nineties.

[JTI2K]

THERE ISNT any other homebrew games that really impress like the RE port, or are you goin to post that lame HL port? :smt082

Obviously they aint goin after the PSP or the DS, that would be suicide. But the problem is that they cant go anywhere: the PSP already has the mainstream share of the market and the homebrew/opensource one too.

[bnwim]

:smt083
THERE ISNT any other homebrew games that really impress like the RE port, or are you goin to post that lame HL port? :smt082

Ains ... there isn´t a HL port, it´s a mod for Doom that you can use it with GPDoom and the RE port is a "demo"; not an incomplete game.

Any other homebrew game doesn´t impress you ... well, it´s your opinion, what did you want?, 3D homebrew games for GP32?, there is live outside 3D, and I think there are some 2D good games and ports like, "Beats of Rage" & mods and some others.


But the problem is that they cant go anywhere: the PSP already has the mainstream share of the market and the homebrew/opensource one too.

Hey guys!!, GPX2 is a piece of shit because PSP has the mainstream share of the market an the homebrew and """opersource""" one too ... well, we first have to hack every firmware update and we "can´t work" with the official tools.

If you enjoy PSP ... congratulations, if you didn´t enjoy GP32, I´m sorry; but I think RE demo and HL "wad" for GPDoom aren´t good GP32 scene examples.

[cahaz]

so everbody take a deep breathe now.

done? ok.

if you don't like gpx2, it's ok, but don't bother us because we look forward to it, please. The gpx2 will never compete with the ds or the psp, and we all know that. Why? because it's not of the same category, not the same market. I'm 100% sure the hombrew scene will be really bigger on gpx2, 'cause this machine IS made for this, not the psp, at all. And SD cards are very cheap, compared to Those ms duo anyway. And you can find sd cards at rediculous prices on fleabay, but you won't for ms duos. why? simple. Sony. PSP. you got it.

and gpx2 will never be as expensive as the psp, why would it anyway? does it have wireless internet? a umd drive? a 16:9 screen of death? 3d accelerator that can make things looks near ps2 games? an analog stick? SONY name on it?

[Fabrizo]

I'm not even gonna respond to the other stuff going on in this thread because some of you guys don't even seem to be capable of understanding the concept I was trying to get across. That's a shame.

No, you just wern't any good at explaining it. What it takes to win such an argument (and it does appear to have turned into that as opposed to a discussion), is the ability to understand and explain why your opponents argument is flawed and yours is not. You have not done that, you have simply said that its not competing and any idea to the contrary is conceived by fools.

Lets take some examples of where you should have tried to explain your logic:


Every handheld that tried to compete directly with the Gameboy failed (actually, that's not true, but let's just say that it is for the sake of argument), but that's *NOT* what the GP32 or GPX2 are trying to do. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT? I don't know how else to explain it.

So what are they trying to do?


So, you want them just to sell the system in Korea and not overseas? Why do you think that selling the GPX2 in the US and Europe means that they're trying to compete directly with Nintendo, but selling it in Korea doesn't?

Answer: Because the Gameboy/DS are not available in Korea (import-only for them).


If they decide to sell it outside Korea, it doesn't mean that anything has changed except that they're now selling it outside of Korea, their business plan is still the same.

And what is their buisness plan? What does it entail that makes it translatable to other markets without alteration?


Edit: As a side note (from wikipedia):

Macroeconomics is the study of the entire economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics) in terms of aggregate quantities such as the total amount of goods and services produced, total income earned, the level of employment of productive resources, and the general behavior of prices. This is in contrast to microeconomics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microeconomics) which is the study of the economic behaviour of individual consumers, firms, and industries.

Macroeconomics can be used to analyze how best to influence policy goals such as economic growth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_growth), price stability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_stability), full employment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_employment) and the attainment of a sustainable balance of payments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_payments).

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

So what are they trying to do?
They're establishing their own market based on homebrew, emulation and open devlopment; sales and distribution and word of mouth advertising mostly on the Internet; a small small target userbase, a small installed userbase and expenditure on their own part.

I shouldn't have had to explain that because it should be obvious to anyone who pays attention rather than simply assuming that they're trtying to do what Nintendo and Sony are already doing because that's the only thing they can imagine.


Edit: As a side note (from wikipedia):

Macroeconomics...
Yeah thanks, but actually what I should have said is that I do indeed know about theories of economics and how they're supposed to work, but it's just that I choose not to give them any consideration because they're bullshit; not only flase, but incredibly dangerous to human society.

Gamepark's plan falls perfectly in line with theories of economics and capitalism, by the way, so I have no more sympathy for it than for any other scheme, it's just that if there's one thing I hate more than coroprate greed, it's people who don't think critically and just assume what they expect.


...word is bondage...

[JTI2K]

Well, "beats of rage" was released in EVERY OTHER PLATFORM with some hombrew capabilities. Is even on Palms,



and gpx2 will never be as expensive as the psp, why would it anyway? does it have wireless internet? a umd drive? a 16:9 screen of death? 3d accelerator that can make things looks near ps2 games? an analog stick? SONY name on it?

Dude, the PSP cost ALOT more that the price you see in the store. Plus, sony with their bigass manufacturing capabilities can build the PSP at a lower price that any halfassed compny out there. Even when the x2 uses less components, those arent produced nor their techonolgy owned by gamepark, thus they are tied to market prices, instead of raw manufacturing ones.

Plus, they wont make it in such large scale like sony and the PSP, thus increasing the MSRP per unit.

[cahaz]

And BTW, I didnt hear of any oficial price anouncements by either of the parts involved.............

Hello,
Thank you for your nice comment on gpx2.
It will be launched coming Oct.and starting price would be under 200
We hope we can export gpx2 as many as countries^^ but right now i can surely say that it will come in America Europe,Asia and so on...
Thank you ^^

[bnwim]

Well, "beats of rage" was released in EVERY OTHER PLATFORM with some hombrew capabilities. Is even on Palms,

Like your HL ""port"" example.

And isn´t "beats of rage" a homebrew game/port for GP32 anyway?, well, we can´t use emulators like example of the GP32 scene too because they were also released in other platforms. ""Is even on Palms"".

[JTI2K]

Like your HL ""port"" example.¡

Nope, palms got doom, quake and (coming soon) dukenukem 3D, but no HL, sorry :smt042


It will be launched coming Oct.and starting price would be under 200

But it isnt the final price, plus, how do I know it is legit?

[bnwim]

Nope, palms got doom, quake and (coming soon) dukenukem 3D, but no HL, sorry :smt042

(AGAIN) that thing that you call "HL port" for GP32 is a mod for DOOM (WAD) that you can use it with any Doom port for any platform; not only for GP32; sorry.

And GP32 has a Quake port also ...

[cahaz]

But it isnt the final price, plus, how do I know it is legit?

'cause this's coming from the official website?