First REAL screnshots from a PS3 game

[JTI2K]

The gundam demo from the E3 was as rendered as the killzone and any other demo sony shown us that day,

But now they`ve released a video of the REAL gundam


The upper ones are the REAL in-game, and the lower are the rendered hoaxs from the E3
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635749/mobile-suit-gundam-20050721064434047.jpghttp://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614810/mobile-suit-gundam-gundam-world-20050516074735705.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635749/mobile-suit-gundam-20050721064434485.jpghttp://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614810/mobile-suit-gundam-gundam-world-20050516074726237.jpg


As you can see the PS3 will suffer from the same pixelated textures from the other 2 playstations.

Kudos katsuragi, this console deserves 25 hours a day of slave work :smt043

[SuperGrafx]

And the truth comes out!
Sony and their infamous hype machine strike again!

[Mark30001]

0_o :smt023

[cahaz]

everyone thought the system would cost more than a 3do, now i doubt it will get really higher than the xbox360, if i refer to those pictures.

not even surprized.

ps3 will suffer from pixilated textures, jaggy edges and fog. wow.

[Yakumo]

And the hype had just flew out the window :D Yep, the PS3 looks just as jaggy as the PS2.

Yakumo

[sayin999]

cracks me up is kutagi actually admited the the ps3 would not be on teh cheap side, but said those who really wanted one could afford one, maybe this is why resident evil 5 is getting a 360 port.

[Hawanja]

You guys are joking, right? Those screen shots are fucking incredible. Damn people, if this doesn't impress you than what will?

Maybe I'm just too satisfied with screens that scroll and sprites made up of more than two colors.

[The VGM]

They look pretty good. I'm pretty confident that the PS3 will beat the shit out of the 360. I already know it's going to sell more, that's for sure.

[Kotodama]

Crap I hope thats a result of the capturing process, but those in-game shots look horribly washed out.

[sayin999]

well its not entirely fair to judge the quality of that shot since it was tooken on a projection screen at a confrence, when theres direct feed their will be a better judge. Realisticly though they showed at the confence that lighting is what is making the difference as when they took it off it looked like a regular ps2 game. But the reason is not many are impressed, is that realisticly its not the biggest jump ever to occur, i mean all that is happening now is that consoles are now catching up with pc cards, however there is the price of this stuff that is beeing a concern for developers, as well as many have stated that developers are less likely to take advantage of the processors of 360 and ps3. I mean developers have said from time to time while they are able to develop for ps2, many still do not fully understand the hardware thus not being able to use its full potential, i mean can anyone remember when everyone thought the ps2 was extermely powerful and that it could do complexe things and such, yet its been proven already the ps2 is the weakest. Though this time sony for once seems to have made their hardware the most powerful, but if the psp is any indication, its less likely it will sell as well, especially if it hits the $400 or 500 mark. But will just have to see what happens, i got an odd feelign that this might be sonys downfall, no console manufature has stayed at top more then twice. And even then many developers arent fully ready to switch platforms. But damn i wish nintendo wouldnt be so quite atm, i mean this controller secret could make or break the system, will just have to see.

[babu]

not to offend anyone or anything.. but you all have to remember that the hardware don't make the games.. the game development teams does.. and that means that the look of the game depends much on the skills of the team too..

edit: just wanted to mark that I don't think this look like crap.. but it's not the best I've seen (for the moment I think that is unreal tournament 2007)..

[sayin999]

well of course this is a fact, these are just all early looks and such. Im just hoping developers will try and do less sequals in the next gen and focus more on new ideas or newer serise for that matter. Current generastion just doesnt seem that great since alot of games are just thrown out these days, i mean killer 7 was a great game while it lasted, and you want to know someting,i was not at all disapointed when i beat it, i was pretty satisfied, and if i didnt rent it i was going to play through the second mode, still what intriged me alot was its presintation and style, plus the story get very intriguing and you want to play it again and again to fully understand it. What im saying is that the developers need to now just focus on making a good game, we all know that the ps3 is considered powerful on specs and such, but it has been a damn long while since a game has come out that feels fresh and new and something you want to play. I think miyamoto said it best, wever already reached the point where we can do photo realistic graphics, what can we do in gameplay. I think thats what has to happen in the next generation, just games that are fun, and feel fresh. I mean thats what happened to rent a hero really, alot of games just came out and it lost its chance due to a dev delay since the market was oversaturted with mediocore games. Still i think this is the rebirth of the industry as i see it. In this generation to me there just has been mostly excess and less quality.

[A. Snow]

Sure I have my likes and dislikes about all system but too many people here seem to bash a system for the sake of bashing the manufacturer. I've yet to play the system that showed its full potential in its first generation of games.

[Perkunas]

It's Bandai, what were you expecting?

This Gundam PS3 game could turn out to be nice when they add some decent destructable enviroments. ;)

[XerdoPwerko]

Um... I might be somewhat blind...but I really can't see much jagginess.

Then again, I haven't had a current system for more than a couple of months so I might be a little used to older graphics.

[Hawanja]

Yeah, it does look like higher end PC games. But from the PS2 perspective it looks fantastic.

Well, I can see the graininess of the texture in the wooden beams of that second picture, and looking real close at the robots I see some graininess there too. But hardly any IMO. I think these shots would look a lot better in motion.

[cahaz]

true, it looks good. but it doesn't really impress me. If the game was looking as good, or even two times worse than the images of the e3, i would be damn impressed, but this is just not the case. i mean, there's like a generation between the real shots and the hoaxes. just look at the textures in the first hoax screen, and all the junk on the floor. that's no textures, it's all modeled, and THAT is something that could really impress me in this gen: No sprites, no picture backround, no textures to make things you could make in polygons and its own separate texture at the same time, and real time shadows and lights.

i think the limit of video games (in therms of graphics only) won't be when you'll be close to reality, in fact, unreal games can looks better than thing imitation the reality. What i would consider the limit is when sprites, backrounds, fog and textures will disapear. what i'm saying about the textures is when you'll be able to zoom on a jean, by exemple, and see every little separed wires that makes the jean. If you zoom on a wall made of you, you'll be able to see every rays, and not only drawed rays, real, modeled rays, you know? taht would be insane, and that would be the limit, i guess. by this won't be seen before alot of years, i mean that we certainly won't be able to see this in our lives.

[Johnny]

Comparing a high resolution picture, from a picture taken from a TV is a joke right?

Anyway, why not stop the HATE and let's hope this new generation (PS3, Xbox360 and Revolution) brings us new great games?

Another thing. It is know that the PS3 has the same power as the Xbox360, or bit more powerful.

This made me think... So, Xbox360 game will suck too?

:smt096

[Mr. Casual]

I dont care about graphics as much as some of you guys do.



Ya casual gamers you... (J/K)

[cahaz]

i don't care about graphics at all either, it's just that sony hyped their machine so much that it is ridiculous.

[Jasonkhowell]

Impressive, although below what Sony was showing off. However, remember that the good stuff won't be developed well into the end of the PS3's life.

[Mr. Casual]

I know, but I seriously dont know how anyone can possibly comment on the quality of graphics in this day and age. Especially new game graphics!!! The thing that makes you guys "Unimpressed" with the graphics is because some of you were dumb enough to believe some blatantly CG movies were ingame. (Im looking at you, Killzone 2)

Even though they dont make the game, I grow more and more impressed with the "real" graphics every year, and dont criticize them like I made them myself. Its very easy to discern CG from graphics, anyway, so some of you shouldnt have been fooled anyways...

[Alien Workshop]

I dont care about graphics as much as some of you guys do.



Well, I care about graphics a lot, and I will tell you why. To me, having good graphics is every bit as important as having a good story. The graphics are what lets you see the world that the game maker's want you to see, and with the ability to produce better graphics comes the ability to make better, unique, and more interesting worlds for the gamers to explore. Just to give you an example, what do you think Doom 3 would have been like on an Atari 2600?

Some of you people need to stop confusing "good" with "3D". Just because someone says good graphics, doesn't mean they are talking about 3D graphics.

Graphics do matter, end of story.

[Mr. Casual]

I was just irritated that some of the people here were acting like they made the graphics themselves and were criticizing them like crazy. I dont see how they can do that in this day and age.

[Alien Workshop]

I was just irritated that some of the people here were acting like they made the graphics themselves and were criticizing them like crazy. I dont see how they can do that in this day and age.

They weren't criticizing the graphics, but merely criticizing Sony for hyping their machine all to hell, claiming it was going to be this and that, claiming it was going to be the most powerful console ever, and yet when shots of the actual graphics appear, you can see that Sony is still having problems with Jaggies and that the machine isn't nearly what Sony had promised, but we should come to expect things such as this.

[cahaz]

They weren't criticizing the graphics, but merely criticizing Sony for hyping their machine all to hell, claiming it was going to be this and that, claiming it was going to be the most powerful console ever, and yet when shots of the actual graphics appear, you can see that Sony is still having problems with Jaggies and that the machine isn't nearly what Sony had promised, but we should come to expect things such as this.

+1


The thing that makes you guys "Unimpressed" with the graphics is because some of you were dumb enough to believe some blatantly CG movies were ingame. (Im looking at you, Killzone 2)
i don't think anyone here really thought the quality of the killzone 2 video could be
reached. i think you're imagining things, mate.


Some of you people need to stop confusing "good" with "3D". Just because someone says good graphics, doesn't mean they are talking about 3D graphics.

funny you say this, i remember we had a flame war on this. :smt042

[Mr. Casual]

Okay, whatever. I think the screens look good, despite being hyped to hell by Sony. I think everything looks good in this generation and also from what I've seen, the next.

AND yes, people are crticizing the shots


ps3 will suffer from pixilated textures, jaggy edges and fog. wow.

Yep, the PS3 looks just as jaggy as the PS2.

[cahaz]

Okay, whatever. I think the screens look good, despite being hyped to hell by Sony. I think everything looks good in this generation and also from what I've seen, the next.

AND yes, people are crticizing the shots

you don't seems to understand that we're criticizing sony's super-computer-that-will-defy-the-moore-and-gravity-laws hype.

[Mr. Casual]

Whatever. Nice that you should leave off the rest of my post.

[cahaz]

Whatever. Nice that you should leave off the rest of my post. sorry but you cannot quote quotes.

[Yakumo]

OK, time to stop the bickering. The truth is that people are criticizing Sony for yet more hype Bull Shit. The PS3 does look as if it's got the PS2 jaggies which is a joke when you conceder other consoles don't have this problem. Surely they could sort it out?

Yakumo

[JTI2K]

Surely they could sort it out?

Nope, remember its sony :smt042

Just j/k, the only discussion here is that sony is doin the same bullcrap from the FFVIII: selling a game just from rendered CGs :smt067

[cahaz]

that was square crap though.

and i personally liked ff8 not the best of the serie for sure, but i liked the gamplay.

[JTI2K]

that was square crap though.

Yeah but it sold a lot of PSXs, and sony has used this marketing concept since the unveil of the PS2

[Mr. Casual]

So has Xbox with Halo...

[XerdoPwerko]

I sort of see the jaggies now if I really see it from very nearby. I'm at 1600x1200 here, and I have very tired eyesight, and not precisely a good one at that.

To me, it looks great either way. That X360 set that JTI2K posted on the other thread does look more impressive, but that's because the pics are better and there's a human to compare the stuff to - and it's got more colour.

I wonder though, how these games play and how the images look once moving.
I'll tell you what, if I get either system for free, I'll be a happy camper :)

Looks like I'm getting the cheaper of the three - though those X360 images did interest me a bit more into that one.
Still need to get an original XBox for those emulators - but...

Now, I wonder how Cel-Shading and 2D will work on these new machines. Colour me impressed - even if I'm still not getting a PS3 unless forced to.

[JTI2K]

So has Xbox with Halo...

Halo is different, hte whole hype about it comes from the mainstream that never played a good FPS (cuz there wasnt any in PSX) and never went online.

Plus, the whole "vehicles" stuff made it a must have for the noobs.

Honestly, that game owns it hype to its dumb users :-D

[Mr. Casual]

Man, Halo 2 was overhyped with all sorts of lies just like some of the psx games. I dont see how it doesnt compare. Bungie is to Xbox as Square is to Sony. Im sure Bungie and/or Micorsoft are cooking up a million lies for the upcoming Halo 3 right as we speak.

[ASSEMbler]

If you will, compare this to the first gen ps2 demos, and then to something like ZOE.

This is just some crap ass demo using 1/8 the power of ps3. You're going to be very suprised.

[karsten]

The gundam demo from the E3 was as rendered as the killzone and any other demo sony shown us that day,

But now they`ve released a video of the REAL gundam


The upper ones are the REAL in-game, and the lower are the rendered hoaxs from the E3
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635749/mobile-suit-gundam-20050721064434047.jpg
As you can see the PS3 will suffer from the same pixelated textures from the other 2 playstations.

Kudos katsuragi, this console deserves 25 hours a day of slave work :smt043


To me looks like JPEG compression, not pixellation... we'll see in time

[JTI2K]

Man, Halo 2 was overhyped with all sorts of lies

To be honest, the only thing that dissapointed me about halo2 was its graphics.

I didnt expect too much, it was all those xbox fanboys out there the ones that were talking all day long abut that damn game

[cahaz]

If you will, compare this to the first gen ps2 demos, and then to something like ZOE.

This is just some crap ass demo using 1/8 the power of ps3. You're going to be very suprised.

you're the one that saw some real things running, right?

[Mr. Casual]

To be honest, the only thing that dissapointed me about halo2 was its graphics.

I didnt expect too much, it was all those xbox fanboys out there the ones that were talking all day long abut that damn game
Whom all were all the more gullible to the lies.

[Johnny]

If you will, compare this to the first gen ps2 demos, and then to something like ZOE.

This is just some crap ass demo using 1/8 the power of ps3. You're going to be very suprised.

Finally someone said something interesting. It's a demo, work-in-progress.

Wanna see some pictures of Gran Turismo 3 while being developed, and later compare it to the finished product?

I don't like Sony and i also think they are stupid by promoting and hyping their machine. But correct me if i'm wrong, wasn't M$ saying they'll have 1 billion Xbox Live users or something like that? Wasn't M$ saying that the 360 it would be compatible with all Xbox games, and now says only the big hits?

Isn't that the same damn thing? Overhyped!

Anyway, i still haven't played not a single game from PS3, Xbox360 or Revolution. So, i'll only criticize something after i play all 3.

Some people here are saying graphics are everything, but when nintendo said they won't support High-Definition, they said they didn't care about it.

Forget the damn systems, start caring about the games!

[Mr. Casual]

Yeah, Hypocrite fanboys really come out of the woodwork during certain issues.

[ASSEMbler]

Remember the pics you have from ign are not at HD pixel depth.
You cannot compare the high rez pic to the low rez one.

Lets take the crap picture and size it up and you'll see the drop in quality that
is cause by the compression of such an image to the ign jpeg size friendly version.

If you saw a 1080i pic of the demo, it would not be so vulnerable to attack on the quality.
It would be much improved. You cannot take a tiny video or small pic and say the game has jaggies or poor textures. It's not the right resolution to judge.

http://assemblergames.com/images/gundam.jpg

[JTI2K]

But correct me if i'm wrong, wasn't M$ saying they'll have 1 billion Xbox Live users or something like that?

Indeed, 1 billion Xbox consoles to be precise, thats why I think the X360 could be M$ great (and last) flop, since they are raising the bet without any inmediate profits that could cover the hole in their budget........

Anyways, hype is the very basis of the marketing. If you sell a car with technical specs, nobody is goin to buy it.

But if you sell it as a chick magnet, or a cool streetz-racing thing, even if its ugly as hell and powered by a hamster, more ppl is goin to take a look at it that with scientific proof of its mechanical superiority

[karsten]

Remember the pics you have from ign are not at HD pixel depth.
You cannot compare the high rez pic to the low rez one.

Lets take the crap picture and size it up and you'll see the drop in quality that
is cause by the compression of such an image to the ign jpeg size friendly version.

If you saw a 1080i pic of the demo, it would not be so vulnerable to attack on the quality.
It would be much improved. You cannot take a tiny video or small pic and say the game has jaggies or poor textures. It's not the right resolution to judge.



EHY! You just stole my point in the preceding page! :/

[Mr. Casual]

If someone with power says it, perhaps others will listen.

[cahaz]

if someone with more power says it, then perhaps others will listen up.















:smt043

just to say that it's not kind from your part.

[Zilog Jones]

Even those proper screenshots have a lot of JPEG artefacts as well. And you do have to remember that the PS3 is rendering this at 1080i! New games are gonna look so crappy on my manky 14" -_-

[JTI2K]

you do have to remember that the PS3 is rendering this at 1080i

I dont know, after all they said the PS2 could render 70 M/Pol/Seg, then they changed it at 20M/Pol/Seg, and a year ago some developers claimed that due to problems PS2 desing the console couldnt pass the 5M/Pol/Seg without some serious programming (and not all the developers are willing to pay that price).

I`ll wait to see if the PS3 can keep up with its word.

[karsten]

if someone with more power says it, then perhaps others will listen up.















:smt043

just to say that it's not kind from your part.


I feel like a fool :P

[cahaz]

I feel like a fool :P

i was protecting you btw. :P
i thought mr. casual's post wasn't really kind, so i riped is post and reposted it, while saying that people with more power are more listened, to show him how it felt.

anyway. ;)

[Greatsaintlouis]

I'd post something about a demo movie for a game in progress running on pre-release (and mostly unfinished) hardware, but the feeding frenzy has already begun. I mean, if you somehow feel vindicated in some childish vendetta against a manufacturer by being able to say, "OMGZORS JAGGED LINES!!!1111ichi" on beta hardware, it IS your perogative, but there's a very thin line between that and the typical 'casual gamer's obsession with the game that displays the most prettiest colors.

Those pictures look pretty damn good, and if the first gen of games look like that at the very least, we're going to be seeing some rather impressive stuff. If anyone really cares about the games anymore, that is.

[Mr. Casual]

i was protecting you btw. :P
i thought mr. casual's post wasn't really kind, so i riped is post and reposted it, while saying that people with more power are more listened, to show him how it felt.

anyway. ;)
Its my new avatar that makes me look mean. :-D

[ASSEMbler]

Didn't mean to restate a said comment, but a more visual example seemed easier to convey the idea.

[Funkstar De Luxe]

Comparing a high resolution picture, from a picture taken from a TV is a joke right?

Anyway, why not stop the HATE and let's hope this new generation (PS3, Xbox360 and Revolution) brings us new great games?


Here, here.

I really hate the elitist Sony hating that goes on here. You are worse than the PS2/Xbox fanboys, for at least they enjoy something.

You think with all the resources Sony have, all the money, and the sheer risk of applying the "PlayStation" name to a product, that Sony will release something other than amazing?

Even with that shitty, low res, badly captured picture I can see a hole shit load of amazing lighting techniques. No, it doesn't live up to the other demos yet, but the PS3 is still 9 months off.

Don't buy a PS3 when it comes out. No one's making you. But then again, perhaps by that time you will have jumped on the "I hate 360" bandwagon.

[Funkstar De Luxe]

It also boggles the mind that you guys seem to think the PS2 will have "jaggies and fog". I can't even fucking look at this topic any more.

I wish I was a mod, I'd ban your asses.

[Mr. Casual]

It also boggles the mind that you guys seem to think the PS2 will have "jaggies and fog". I can't even fucking look at this topic any more.

I wish I was a mod, I'd ban your asses.
Whoa there, Calm down man...
I already have seen Xbox 360 pics with Jaggies and fog, and its closer to release than the PS3, But
I dont give a shit about Jaggies and/or fog, however. Unless it gets to the point in a
game where it is annoying to no end, like some of the GTA games. :death

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Im really looking forward to Gears of War for the
XBOX 360 and it looks very cool (Artistically and visually) and even if it had Jaggies and
fog, I would still like it.

[Fabrizo]

It also boggles the mind that you guys seem to think the PS2 will have "jaggies and fog".

Well, we don't think the PS2 will have jaggies and fog, we know it does for a fact. :P

On the other hand, the PS3 shall obviously have jaggies. Even with normal mapping the system wont be able to push cinematic levels (read: as many as the artist wants) of geometry, but coupled with a significant ammount of anti-aliasing they will be far more difficult to notice without taking and examining a still image of the scene.

As for fog, I expect to see it in lower budget and rushed games. But the vast majority of games will not have it, and if they do it'll be used for atmospheric reasons.

[cahaz]

It also boggles the mind that you guys seem to think the PS2 will have "jaggies and fog". I can't even fucking look at this topic any more.

I wish I was a mod, I'd ban your asses.

i hope you'll never be a mod then, since you would ban people that share their opinions, that's it, respectuflly (well, until this)

Really, some are pushed the evellope too far, maybe, but i don't think that people who critiquized other people for what they said on this thread are any better, 'cause they're doing the same thing: critiquzing.

Really, comparing anyone or anything happening here to what you can see at other forums like gamefaqa or anything, is an insult. we're not saying the ps3 sucks, they're not saying we won't buy the ps3, and we're not saying the games will sucks, either. We're just mad to see that sony's hype is, as always, pure bullshit, and this is not an opinion, but a fact, and you just can't argue with that.

oh yeah, the game looks great, and we're all ok to say that graphics doesn't mather,
but were that ''Super-Computer-killing-machine-that-will-defy-the-moores-law's '''s power anyway? i mean, that's really what sony said, and we where all saying ''is microsoft f*cked up now?'' . heck, we're not even close of the matrix-like world that they where talking about before the ps2 was launched! it's true that on paper, the ps3 is more powerfull, but heck, it's the result that mathers more at then end, and i think everyone have been more impressioned by re 5's screenshots, wich were on the xbox 360 (and at a better resolution and better compression also, true)

we can't also deny the fact that those screens shots we're made in low rez and with a bad compression format too. but take a look at the other pictures in the other thread, while it's still better than those pictures, you cannot deny the jaggy problem, that will certainly be corrected, but still, for that ''Super-Computer-killing-machine-that-will-defy-the-moores-law's''
machine, it's a low and unimpressive start.

people are angry because of all this hype that sony do, and that will seduce alot of casual gamers that will then start their fan club wars because of it, but in reality, it's just the next step forward, not the next level.

Yes, the ps3 still apeal me, and i don't know how it could have sink in my heart because of this, since i think everyone knew it would happen, and it did. BAM! we were mad and a bit a happy at the same time you know, cause the truth was discovered, that it was bad or good, sony or not.


and that's were i return to my first comment, saying that people over there are no better than fans boys is an insult, cause were talking with facts of what we see, not with our love to any manufacturer (well, i'm speaking from most of the people) and critiquizing people critiquize feel sort-of eronic. can't we criticize without getting criticized because of it in this forum anymore? it feels stupid, and no better than anyone else here.

[Johnny]

I'm not going to defend Sony. We all know they lied with PS2, although it does not mean the console has bad games.

But what worries me about this thread is that most people seem to care more about press conference "shitty" talk and stuff like aliasing than with the quality of the games itself.

Cahaz, you said the most important thing. All this hype will only be accepted by those who play games just for like 10 minutes. Casual gamers. I'm not bashing those that only like games as a distraction. I think we can't judge others people likes. I like soccer, some people hate it.

We all know Sony likes this strategy, so why even care about them. I hope the Xbox360 to be a hit, just to have a better gaming market. I also hope that Nintendo have better results with the Revolution. But i can't be an hypocrite by saying i hope Sony fails with the PS3.

Like i said before i like to play games. This is so true that after playing OutRun 2 on the arcades, i'm thinking on getting a Xbox just for that.

[Mr. Casual]

It seems like I have been doing a lot of Sony Defending lately, but truthfully there are a lot more
Xbox 360 games that interest me at the moment, since FPS has been one of my favorite genres
for a while now. The other is RPGs and the PS3 has those "nerdy" RPGs that dont interest me right now.

[karsten]

Didn't mean to restate a said comment, but a more visual example seemed easier to convey the idea.

guess that's right :) by the way i was half joking. i've always had the feeling that people only reads the last page of topics... :D

[JTI2K]

I wish I was a mod, I'd ban your asses.

With that kind of comments you are the one whos gonna get banned :smt082

And I dont HATE sony: I do support the PSP from its unveil to nowadays. Basically cuz i think its a superb machine and it has done everything that it promised and more. On the other hand i hate nintendo for the GBASP, and for realeasing a overhyped machine like the DS (instead of giving the public what they want: a bigger screen and more power)

Now i dont like M$, but the Xbox/X360 is for the console market what the PSP is for the portables: a pressure point. The xbox has a tremendous capacity, and its thanks to this machine that this new generation is the first to beat the PCs in raw processing power. I seriously doubt that this new generation could be what it is without the presense of M$.

If nobody rises the market line, it stagnates. I DO want that the X360 and the PS3 go head to head and end up in a tie. Why? becos in that case we, the users, we are the real winners. We take benefit from the price wars and a superb catalog, all thanks to the effort of this companies to get a bigger market share.

When theres no competition comes the monopoly, and any idiot can see what happens then: just look at the PC market

[karsten]

We take benefit from the price wars and a superb catalog, all thanks to the effort of this companies to get a bigger market share.

When theres no competition comes the monopoly, and any idiot can see what happens then: just look at the PC market


YOU ARE JOKING. PC market prices are more affordable by now.

[JTI2K]

YOU ARE JOKING. PC market prices are more affordable by now.

Are you blind? I mean the fact that 90% of all the PCs in the world runs on windows.....

[karsten]

Are you blind? I mean the fact that 90% of all the PCs in the world runs on windows.....

you mean pc of all the people who wants to play with it :D

by the way, i was refering to the game prices

[einbebop44]

What the hell is up with game designers and bloom lighting? It's not sexy, it's not cool, it's not artistic--it sucks, and makes everything look like overly shiny plastic. If this is what the next gen graphics are going to be like, then fuck all these bastards. Bloom=teh suck.

[cahaz]

well, blooming is like the teenage era, it's new, it's strange, it's not always beautiful, it doesn't know where it goes, but at the end it will evolve into the next-gen of virtual reality.

[Taemos]

I think the picture looks pretty good. :)