Sonic X

[kevster]

seen people talk about it else were but has or did anyone actually play it or see it

http://www.lostlevels.org/200403/200403-xtreme.shtml

for more info check the link

[Johnny]

Seemed to be a Sonic version of Bug!

Anyway, we had a talk about it some time ago.

More info on the same website:

http://www.lostlevels.org/200403/timeline.shtml

[cahaz]

if i remember right, someone here claimed he already played an early build of sonic-X. i don't remember who said that though, on wich engine the early build ran, nor if the member is stil around, sorry.

[TheRedEye]

By the way that's my website, in case anyone wants to say "hey man nice website."

[Yakumo]

I had a video that showed Sonic Extreme running. I looked quite fast. The version on the video showed the bonus round that was well taken from the first level boss's stage from NiGHTS. Sonic would run around the circular flat area with rings spiraling upwards. The other section showed Sonic running around an area using the fish eye lens technique.

Unfortunately this video along with my very early Panzer Dragoon CG mock up, Daytona Tech demo running on Saturn and some bizarre Virtrua Fight early stuff also running on Saturn (Akira make from about 100 polys :D) are all gone :( I have no idea what ever happened to the tape.

Yakumo

[TheRedEye]

I had a video that showed Sonic Extreme running. I looked quite fast. The version on the video showed the bonus round that was well taken from the first level boss's stage from NiGHTS. Sonic would run around the circular flat area with rings spiraling upwards. The other section showed Sonic running around an area using the fish eye lens technique.

Unfortunately this video along with my very early Panzer Dragoon CG mock up, Daytona Tech demo running on Saturn and some bizarre Virtrua Fight early stuff also running on Saturn (Akira make from about 100 polys :D) are all gone :( I have no idea what ever happened to the tape.

Yakumo

They had that video uploaded on Sonic Cult for a while, I have it here somewhere.

[hl718]

if i remember right, someone here claimed he already played an early build of sonic-X. i don't remember who said that though, on wich engine the early build ran, nor if the member is stil around, sorry.
I mentioned that briefly in the other thread about Sonic X-treme. Talked about the Green Hill Zone tech demo and the Metal Sonic boss stage. The Green Hill level was neat to see up and running but it was pretty bare when I got to play it. The Metal Sonic fight seemed to be complete and was a decent battle against the bossman.

-hl718

[cahaz]

By the way that's my website, in case anyone wants to say "hey man nice website."

this formidable website is yours? Then i must tell you that i found this site aproximativly at the same time as i found the assembler, aprox. 2 years ago, and like this last one, it is in my bookmarks 'till that time. Great and very interesting website, but there's one thing i always wanted to tell you (though i didn't know you)
: dead websites tells not tales, to take the famous line of your website. i know webmasters can't be always there, that they have jobs and, first of all, a life, but an update by time to time to let us know that you're still around would be nice, you know? :(

cahaz_

[cahaz]

I mentioned that briefly in the other thread about Sonic X-treme. Talked about the Green Hill Zone tech demo and the Metal Sonic boss stage. The Green Hill level was neat to see up and running but it was pretty bare when I got to play it. The Metal Sonic fight seemed to be complete and was a decent battle against the bossman.

-hl718

so that was you. can i ask you how you managed to play it , how complete was the game (an approximative) and on wich engine it was running, or it is a top secret thing that we will sadly not be able to remove from your lips without using or obsucre weapons of torture?;)


I had a video that showed Sonic Extreme running. I looked quite fast. The version on the video showed the bonus round that was well taken from the first level boss's stage from NiGHTS. Sonic would run around the circular flat area with rings spiraling upwards. The other section showed Sonic running around an area using the fish eye lens technique.
Yakumo
Yakumo, you mean you're Sonic?! so Sonic is in fact yakumo and irish as well?!! :smt043

ok... bed time. :-(

[Calpis]

By the way that's my website, in case anyone wants to say "hey man nice website."
hey man nice website http://assemblergames.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Yakumo]

They had that video uploaded on Sonic Cult for a while, I have it here somewhere.
no that's a different one. The one I had was much cleaner than they file they had for download plus it was longer with the original background sound.

Yakumo

[Yakumo]

Yakumo, you mean you're Sonic?! so Sonic is in fact yakumo and irish as well?!! :smt043

ok... bed time. :-(

Hehehe, that's because of my PC. For some reason over the last two days Explorer will go to the background then come back every so often making it a pain in the arse to type since the keyboard has no input once explorer has gone in to the background.

Yakumo

[TheRedEye]

this formidable website is yours? Then i must tell you that i found this site aproximativly at the same time as i found the assembler, aprox. 2 years ago, and like this last one, it is in my bookmarks 'till that time. Great and very interesting website, but there's one thing i always wanted to tell you (though i didn't know you)
: dead websites tells not tales, to take the famous line of your website. i know webmasters can't be always there, that they have jobs and, first of all, a life, but an update by time to time to let us know that you're still around would be nice, you know? :(

cahaz_

Yeah. I know. The sad part is that we have LOTS of games we could be doing something with, stuff people have probably never even HEARD of, but I've been way too busy. Things should be changing soon, I actually quit my dayjob to focus on nothing but writing!

[Anthaemia.]

I don't want to seem as if I'm trying to stir things up here, but the timeline by STi members is completely useless! Wasn't the Saturn released in Japan around November 1994? If this is correct, then how come that timeline explains how Sega told STi to move development of what later became Sonic X-Treme to the Saturn in late '95 once they had decided that this would become their new system? On the other hand, it's great to finally see another semi-official (well, if STi isn't "official" then what is?) source for the details of that interim NVIDIA hardware. I've had to deal with plenty of criticism in the past for my own mistakes, so it's not as if one person will always be right when it comes to documenting some of the more troubled periods in Sega's past. However, like most who've tried in the past you've at least got about 99.9% of the facts so thank you for your efforts - it's not as if Sega is in a hurry to address such issues...

[WolverineDK]

TRE: hey man i like your website :-)

[cahaz]

so, your silence hint me that we will need to use our home made truth serum, hl718, but i guess it would spoil the fun. lets go with the obscene phone call with heavy breathing formula first. and we'll see what we can do next to scare you to thel the point you'll reveal everything we want to know about the early builds of that awaited sonic game on saturn that slowly died in sega's tightly door closed laboritory fearing progressive mental illness, gwa-ha-ha-ha.

do i scare you enough already ? :)

more seriously, are you able to speak freely about your experience?

cahaz- ;)

[Taemos]

Yeah. I know. The sad part is that we have LOTS of games we could be doing something with, stuff people have probably never even HEARD of, but I've been way too busy. Things should be changing soon, I actually quit my dayjob to focus on nothing but writing!

Nice website :). I figured you may know, so I'll ask: What happened to the Sardius Experience?

[TheRedEye]

Nice website :). I figured you may know, so I'll ask: What happened to the Sardius Experience?

I was paying for his hosting, and then I stopped. Neither one of us really cared to bring it back.

[sayin999]

Yeah. I know. The sad part is that we have LOTS of games we could be doing something with, stuff people have probably never even HEARD of, but I've been way too busy. Things should be changing soon, I actually quit my dayjob to focus on nothing but writing!


Well im glad you brought the forums back up, i thought the site was dead, but i must admit you guys have some of the best coverage when it comes to unreleased games, the earthbound one was totatly unexpected. Is there any chance you will do coverage on the beavis and butt-head arcade game?

[hl718]

more seriously, are you able to speak freely about your experience?


I'll talk about what I can, but I won't ever verify who I have or have not worked for over the years. Sometimes what I can say is limited due to NDA or simply limited exposure, but if I can chatter away about something I will. :)

-hl718

[Garlo]

By the way that's my website, in case anyone wants to say "hey man nice website."

hey man nice website.

[TheRedEye]

Well im glad you brought the forums back up, i thought the site was dead, but i must admit you guys have some of the best coverage when it comes to unreleased games, the earthbound one was totatly unexpected. Is there any chance you will do coverage on the beavis and butt-head arcade game?

Thanks for the compliments! We probably won't do Beavis & Butthead because I personally think that it's awful and not worth discussion. If you want to know anything about it, feel free to ask, as I've played through the game.

[Taemos]

I was paying for his hosting, and then I stopped. Neither one of us really cared to bring it back.

I guess it's a good thing I saved the CGE article. I loved it :). The rest of the site I never really read.

[TheRedEye]

I guess it's a good thing I saved the CGE article. I loved it :). The rest of the site I never really read.

You could totally blackmail me with the boozed-up photos that article contained.

[Taemos]

You could totally blackmail me with the boozed-up photos that article contained.

Those were great :). The whole article saved me from boredom in computer class.

[kevster]

so it was never finished then

they just gave us sonic 3d, which isnt bad but x-treme looks like would have been better silly sega

[cahaz]

sonic 3d have nothing to do with sonic X-treme, that was two different porjects.

[cahaz]

I'll talk about what I can, but I won't ever verify who I have or have not worked for over the years. Sometimes what I can say is limited due to NDA or simply limited exposure, but if I can chatter away about something I will. :)

-hl718
so, can we start right now mate? :D

[Anthaemia.]

The only reason Sonic 3D even appeared on the Saturn was because Sega wanted something quick and easy (a port!) to fill the void left by X-Treme's cancellation. Travellers Tales may have given the main game a slight visual upgrade, but to be honest the material wasn't exactly pushing the boundaries of 32-bit technology and it should have stayed on the MegaDrive. However, at least there was a redeeming feature in Sonic Team's polygonal remakes of the Sonic 2 bonus levels, though not even these had a flawless transition from the drawing board to playable code.

In fact, at first it was former STi programmer Peter Morawiec who was responsible for creating special stages. Powered by his own Sphere Renderer graphics engine, these have since been collectively referred to as "Sonic 3D Pool" and were produced in mid-late 1996. Of course, this time frame and his links with STi has led to many suspecting that Morawiec was actually trying to salvage parts of the abandoned X-Treme project, but in the end Yuji Naka won yet another internal war of politics and managed to persuade someone that Sonic Team's idea would be more suited to the new edition of Sonic 3D - despite the fact that leaked Pool area screenshots depict a rather impressive demonstration of the Saturn's under-rated capabilities.

This only complicates the long history behind X-Treme, though more importantly it has never been established whether Sonic Team designed their 3D stages in direct competition to Peter Morawiec's original concept or if they were also leftovers from another unknown development, perhaps even a phase of the Sonic World/Adventure timeline earlier than what we already know about? As you can probably tell by now, there have been few Sonic games that haven't had problems during their production, with both Sonic 2 and the so-called Crackers/Sonic 4/Chaotix also available for public dissection. Once the inevitable happens (that's X-Treme leaking, by the way... and it WILL - some day) we'll finally have all the information we need to come up with a brilliant documentation of the many pointless internal struggles that undoubtedly contributed to Sega's untimely demise.

[Yakumo]

Once the inevitable happens (that's X-Treme leaking, by the way... and it WILL - some day) we'll finally have all the information we need to come up with a brilliant documentation of the many pointless internal struggles that undoubtedly contributed to Sega's untimely demise.
What makes you so sure that it will be leaked? Do you know something that we don't?

Yakumo

[Anthaemia.]

Well, it's not as if the only copies are locked away in a vault, as is most likely with other unreleased Saturn games I could think of - especially a few AM2 titles! In fact, it's common knowledge thanks to the interviews conducted with certain former STi members by Sonic Cult (at least they were useful for something) that a few people still have boxes full of their work from X-Treme, including concept art and storyboards, both of which have already been leaked to an extent along with music and even sprites. Of course, if this game was backed up weekly that mean we could have multiple builds available for different engines. Although this would be great for anyone interested in comparing the various revisions this game experienced before finally being laid to rest, it's more realistic to assume that we'll probably get the most complete (PC?) version or perhaps just the E3 demos. Either way, this one's too important to disappear altogether...

[z3ntn3l]

http://sost.emulationzone.org/sonic_xtreme/

check out these Link.

many screens, sprites, concepts, models, interviews, artworks and 2 Videos of Sonoc X-treme!

I hope it will be sometime leaked. :douga

[Taemos]

I say there's a better possibility of Sonic Xtreme being leaked than, say, Saturn Shenmue. I don't see it happening for a long time, though, if ever.

[Anthaemia.]

The problem with Shenmue Saturn Version is that we've already been treated to enough footage of it (thanks to Yu Suzuki's generosity) to determine that it would have been one of the console's best-looking swansongs. However, it's clear that Sonic X-Treme remains something of a sore spot for its developers and so far we've had to - much like the Biohazard 2 Prototype community - rely on whatever fans have been able to get their hands on. In fact, the video clips of X-Treme would be enough for me. My real concern is why AM2 haven't yet shown anything of Saturn Virtua Fighter 3, despite the fact that this game WAS highly anticipated while Shenmue's 32-bit origin came as a surprise to most when it first appeared as a bonus in the Dreamcast version of Shenmue II!

[Manic_Man]

Hi, am here on behave of The Emerald Star Post (TESP) how are currenlty doing a Extreamlying large compain to find copies of Sonic X-Treme which we know almost for a FACT ARE somewhere. ANYONE who knowns ANYTHING! two people here have some knowledge of this. Even an old movie or have played it. PLEASE E-mail me at

ManicMan8@hotmail.com (Subject needs to start with 'S-XTreme' so i know what this is about). If you have seen something or played it somewhere we want to know Where, when, what else you know! If you used to have a movie then where did you get it, do you know what happend? everything. If you could also say just about where you are (if you can say what town then great, but just what country you are in is fine) since this DOES matter. We already know some some of the team are in England so we are looking into that!

[Taemos]

Are you guys going to steal it or something? :p I'm just kidding...

At least one of the programmers supposedly has a copy, but I think they're pretty reluctant to give it up. Also, there were a few different versions made, so you have your work cut out for you.

[JTI2K]

A friend of mine was working for a Tv show at that time and they send him to cover the E3 96. There SEGA had a booth with Xtreme running in a standart saturn. He played the only available level and the boss. The demo was the original Xtreme based on the eyefish camera and the bug-like scenario.

Dont expect anything from the exSTIs: im sure SEGA already forced them to sign a NDA.

[Nintendomad]

Yakumo had a video of this which showed the game at it's most complete, or the most complete that I had seen it.

It looked faster than all the other videos of the game that I had seen on the net, and it actually looked pretty good.I really wish this game had been released. I am a massive Sonic fan and I alway's thought he deserved a full 3d update on the Sega Saturn, a platform 3d game that is, Sonic R was great but we needed something along the line's of the MD titles.

[Fabrizo]

Hi, am here on behave of The Emerald Star Post (TESP) how are currenlty doing a Extreamlying large compain to find copies of Sonic X-Treme which we know almost for a FACT ARE somewhere. ANYONE who knowns ANYTHING! two people here have some knowledge of this. Even an old movie or have played it. PLEASE E-mail me at

ManicMan8@hotmail.com (Subject needs to start with 'S-XTreme' so i know what this is about). If you have seen something or played it somewhere we want to know Where, when, what else you know! If you used to have a movie then where did you get it, do you know what happend? everything. If you could also say just about where you are (if you can say what town then great, but just what country you are in is fine) since this DOES matter. We already know some some of the team are in England so we are looking into that!


I think this should be able to help you in your search for media on the game, as well as who to contact in the instance you want a copy of the game:

http://blazefire.mooglecavern.com/xtreme/media.html