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PoopAndHammer
04-27-2005, 10:26 PM
I'm a new guy who thought, if it hasn't been posted, that you might be interested.......Nintendo Revolution
http://www.comcast.net/games/invasion/index.jsp?fn=/2005/04/25/607437.html
MasterChief
04-27-2005, 10:42 PM
I'm a new guy who thought, if it hasn't been posted, that you might be interested.......Nintendo Revolution
http://www.comcast.net/games/invasion/index.jsp?fn=/2005/04/25/607437.html
what exactly is "real-time 3D projection"?
Fabrizo
04-27-2005, 11:01 PM
Im assuming its holograms. Although as far as I know holographic tech is no where near refined or cheap enough to implement in something like a home console.
Calpis
04-28-2005, 12:25 AM
A stereoscopic picture, where you have to wear "3d glasses" (red & blue film) to perceive depth.
Johnny Vodka
04-28-2005, 12:41 AM
didnt they try this with the virtual boy or some shit?
socialdrone
04-28-2005, 01:51 AM
theres been a lot of 3d stereoscopic videogames....nes, genesis, super nintendo, and even the playstation had some
i remember sega came out with some hologram time travel arcade game.
assuming this is true they are probably going to use mirrors and a transparent screen or some combination of mirrors transparent screen and glasses...either way you would be limited to what ever display nintendo provided...no way to hook it up to your t.v.
and if nintendo has to provide the display along with the console...sounds like it would have to cost a lot of $$ in order for them to make a profit.
GaijinPunch
04-28-2005, 02:34 AM
didnt they try this with the virtual boy or some shit?
lmao
Yakumo
04-28-2005, 03:33 AM
Sounds fucking dodgy ! This is Nintendo's problem. they are hyping this up far too much. In the end they're just going to bugger up their own company. You see, if this Revolution is the super hyped killer machine that nobody has ever thought of or seen before then it's going to cost an arm and a leg (3DO anyone?) On the other hand it may just be the same shite that we have now with some cheap arse gimmick which isn't going to please the people who were looking forward to something truly revolutionary which is most of us. Sony got away with bull shits because their PS2 just did everything we'd seen before. they only bull shitted about how powerful it was.
Yakumo
PS: I haven't seen the link thanks to the stupid blocker here in work :(
SilverBolt
04-28-2005, 04:56 AM
I think the revolution is going to kill nintendo for good..why the hell do they not realize that being innovative is good but that you need to get with the program if you want to sell your stuff.
I don't see games developers going "Oh yessss this is what we need for our games" over this.
Zilog Jones
04-28-2005, 07:12 AM
Are they talking about stereoscopic graphics through some proprietary display, or shit with 3D glasses? Going the proprietary display will make things too expensive, though technology's probably evolved enough to make this actually look remotely good, and not like the Virtual Boy - hopefully it won't induce migranes either...
Evangelion-01
04-28-2005, 07:39 AM
only weak kids get migranes!
Importaku
04-28-2005, 07:40 AM
Personally i hope nintendo keep doing things their way. A 3d console sounds amazing (if the rumor is true).
All thats happening now with the new generations is just the graphics seem to get slightly better, how many more generations will it take before graphics have gone as far as they can, then what?
I can't imagine been happy on just generic racing & fighting games with photorealistic graphics. I love games that stand out and are weird or quirky.
Iv'e been playing games for over 25 years & thats a LOT of games and im fully ready for a revolution.
Paulo
04-28-2005, 07:41 AM
soounds shit.
virtual alan
04-28-2005, 08:49 AM
Are they talking about stereoscopic graphics through some proprietary display, or shit with 3D glasses? Going the proprietary display will make things too expensive, though technology's probably evolved enough to make this actually look remotely good, and not like the Virtual Boy - hopefully it won't induce migranes either...
Never ever had problems playing the VB......and IMHO I think it was one of the most innovative machines made....really strtching the barriers........mine still get regular use
LeGIt
04-28-2005, 09:02 AM
Never ever had problems playing the VB......and IMHO I think it was one of the most innovative machines made....really strtching the barriers........mine still get regular use
Don't be blaming your bad eyesight on your age then ;)
IMO though ... they could do a funky projector with the 3D graphics like you get with those goggles but project another layer of light as the filter, so you don't have to wear sod all and you still get the hologram effect.
Alchy
04-28-2005, 09:03 AM
soounds shit.
If I wrote "Nintendo" on the first piece of sliced bread you'd think it was shit.
I haven't seen the link thanks to the stupid blocker here in work
In the middle of last week, the Broken Saint's website posted claims they knew the secret behind Nintendo's upcoming console, codenamed Revolution. Now, if it's one thing the Web isn't short on, it's people claiming they know what drives Nintendo's Revolution. What makes the claim on Broken Saints compelling, however, is that Brooke Burgess, the man behind the site, is actually in a position to know. Or at the very least, in a position where savory strips of information may be floating around, just waiting to be picked up by wary ears.
Well, it looks like Broken Saints has gone and posted its much-anticipated theory on what makes the Nintendo Revolution revolutionary. At the core of the theory sits how Revolution will display games: through a form of real-time 3D projection. That's right folks, along the lines of a classic 50s monster movie. Nintendo itself has stated that what it plans to use on Revolution isn't all that unique, only that it has never been applied to videogames. Taking that into account, plus recent patents filed by Nintendo, and it doesn't sound all that far fetched, argues Burgess.
If that's not enough, he goes on. During the ShoWest film conference, a panel featuring George Lucus, Robert Zemekis, James Cameron, Robert Rodriguez, and a satellite feed from Peter Jackson discuss their plans to integrate cheap digital stereoscopic 3D into major theater chains by 2007. Here's where things get interesting: Burgess claims to know an agent who spoke to Robert Rodriguez, stating they knew of a game machine that would exploit this new wave of 3D entertainment well before Hollywood could jump in on the market.
Burgess goes on to say he spoke to an industry friend about his new theory, to which the industry friend said that Nintendo had shown a real-time 3D add-on for GameCube behind closed doors. When? At last year's Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles. Furthermore, Burgess claims the Revolution will certainly sport wireless controllers, among other, unknown wireless capabilities. Also, according to Burgess, the Revolution controller will feature either a touch-screen or some form of proprietary PDA device.
As for gyroscopic controllers, the Revolution will indeed use them. Burgess references several inside "sources" who claim they know Revolution controllers will support positional shifts as experienced in Kirby's Tilt 'n' Tumble. Not all games will support the feature, but Burgess states that at least one Revolution launch title will.
This is all speculation, of course, but there you have it.
Stay tuned for more.
Anything thats not more of the same is apparently shit these days. Its a shame people are so short sighted and unimaginative.
Paulo
04-28-2005, 09:57 AM
The idea of having to wear glasses or something just sounds shit. I already wear glasses and having to wear another pair over them is just gonna be annoying.
Also how many of you really think developers are going to be jumping up and down to make games for this kind of system...
We have done the whole arcade VR thing and it dint take off for a reason.
Zilog Jones
04-28-2005, 10:04 AM
Personally i hope nintendo keep doing things their way. A 3d console sounds amazing (if the rumor is true).
All thats happening now with the new generations is just the graphics seem to get slightly better, how many more generations will it take before graphics have gone as far as they can, then what?
Good point. We are really starting to see the limits of standard-definition TV now, but in all honesty the 525 and 625 line systems are at least 50 years old now! OK, there's HDTV, but I can't see that becoming the defacto standard for another 5-10 years at least - most normal people don't buy a new TV until their old one breaks or goes really shitty, and most people now are still buying SDTVs. And even then, 1080i's only about twice the resolution of the old systems - and it's still only 2D!
Perkunas
04-28-2005, 10:07 AM
Sounds fucking dodgy ! This is Nintendo's problem. they are hyping this up far too much.
'Project Reality' (Nintendo 64) was even more hyped up by name than 'Revolution' IMHO.
Alchy
04-28-2005, 10:08 AM
The idea of having to wear glasses or something just sounds shit. I already wear glasses and having to wear another pair over them is just gonna be annoying.
Who said anything about having to wear glasses? There's nothing like that in the original article - which may well all be rumour mill bullshit anyway.
Paulo
04-28-2005, 10:12 AM
Please show me 3d projection in anyway without having to wear glasses?
Importaku
04-28-2005, 10:13 AM
Theres a very good reason why VR never took off in the arcades, firstly the machines were obcenely expensive to buy & the hardware wasnt up to the task which is why they all had poor looking jerky 90's pc polygon visuals. The glasses argument dosent really wash as i wear glasses & have no problem with wearing another. I do it all the time when playing on my eyetreks or on my virtual boy.
I think technology has progressed far enough to do vr decently. Oh & Kron you hit it on the head perfectly.
Looks like to succeed nowdays you have to churn out cookie cutter games with gallons of blood & as many bouncy tits as possible.
As for the hype i see no problem, all 3 companies are doing it. To be honest sony is the worst offender, they are trying to turn them into some sort of fashion accessory (im looking at you PSP). Remember all the shit & hype about PS2 been super powerful, oh we have to be careful terrorists dont get them as they can use it to power missiles. When i saw the launch games i laughed my ass off it could barely produce a decent game let alone power a missile.
Paulo
04-28-2005, 10:23 AM
Ah i cant stand having anything else over my ears. Not the xbox live shitty comunicator (i play wearing a hat and use that to hold the headset) those stupid headphones that go over your ears in anyway (reason why i dnt listen to music while skating). Anyways i guess thats personal preference.
Also think about when you have your friends over? How much is it going to cost for second set of these special glasses, gyroscopic controlers and whats the power consumption on these things?
Also think about the build quality these things are going to need to have. Then add the cost factor and the cost cutting people like sony and MS are going to be implementing. Nintendo cant start to come out with these "great" ideas if they cant afford to make it as cheap as possible.
Paulo
04-28-2005, 10:26 AM
To be honest sony is the worst offender, they are trying to turn them into some sort of fashion accessory (im looking at you PSP).
Thats because they want the profits and popularity . Also as shit as sony can be if it wasnt for them gaming wouldnt be as accepted as it is today.
Nintendo need to look at what happened to sega.
wheelaa
04-28-2005, 10:54 AM
Nintendo need to look at what happened to sega.
Quite. Innovation is a wonderful thing and surely preferable to generations of the same crap rehashed year in year out. But bottom line is that a business has to make money.
I'm not suggesting that Nintendo will be going a brigde too far on the innovation side, I'm sure they must know what they are doing and will have affordable and accessible games (for casual gamers and fanboys etc) and hardware for years to come, as well as catering for the innovation junkies etc. I just don't want to be reading in ten years time how Nintendo used to be the dog's knackers but pushed the boat too far, as I am reading about my beloved Sega all too often these days :(
WolverineDK
04-28-2005, 11:11 AM
i can´t get the effect with the "3d glasses" because my eyes are different in that direction
my eyes are a little squinting; squint-eyed; cross-eyed. (thanks to the english danish online dictionary)
Importaku
04-28-2005, 11:11 AM
Gaming isnt any more accepted now as it was years ago. Perfect example is when im talking to people at work & they ask me what i like to do in my free time & i tell them i like playing games and i just get the typical generic eye rolling and the usual reply of how i should get out more. Really amusing really as most of them just sit at home watching soaps.
The market now has been dumbed down for the masses i can go into any game shop near me & see a mass of bland generic liscensed games that all look the same & feel the same. Sometimes very rarely a fun quirky japanese game will get released but nobody will buy them as they dont want to be different so they get chucked in the bargain bin to make room for more copies of fifa or the next driving game.
I really don't want to turn this into a nintendo vs sony thread but the amount of negativity & the lack of open mindedness is shocking. Oh and yes i do own a playstation before you assume im just another rabid nintendo fanboy (^_^) there are many wonderous & quirky japanese ps games that i love but unfortunately im now the minority that appreciates a unique crafted game over some generic crap.
WolverineDK
04-28-2005, 11:13 AM
hell i am just a game loving boy :-) and that is it who goes for gameplay instead of great graphics.
Zilog Jones
04-28-2005, 11:18 AM
I'm sure Nintendo know what they're doing. Nearly everything they've made has been comfortably affordable. This is either all complete wank, or they've got some real ace up their sleeve.
And regardless of this, Nintendo are still making billions off everything else - I don't think they're gonna die any time soon. And there's still always their Hanafuda cards...
Paulo
04-28-2005, 11:26 AM
Gaming isnt any more accepted now as it was years ago. Perfect example is when im talking to people at work & they ask me what i like to do in my free time & i tell them i like playing games and i just get the typical generic eye rolling and the usual reply of how i should get out more.
Thats so not true. Gaming is hugely more accepted then it was years ago. Just a simple plain look at the people who are willing to be attached to gaming brands will show you
how much more accepted it is. Look at how many people do have gaming consoles.
Watch the music channels on tv and look at how many are advertising to give away
consoles. Also look at the MTV and the next xbox tv show. Watch that and look at the
people who are willing to promote it. If gaming was still seen as it was many years ago
these people wouldnt be willing to be seen promoting it.
Is Elijah Wood really the target audience for the hardcore gamers...
Yakumo
04-28-2005, 11:48 AM
Is Elijah Wood really the target audience for the hardcore gamers...
To just who is Elijah Wood appealing to :smt082
I can't even see you PS2 or XBOX drones being in to him. The thing is that gaming is now part of the pop culture and that I don't like. I don't like gaming being pushed in my face by complete idiots who know sweet F.A. about what they are promoting. Oh yes, they may have a console and a hand full of games but do they actually know anything about them or the companies that made them? You could probably ask these people the following question " Which is the bigger company? Rock Star Games or Game Arts?" you just know they'll say "Rock Star Games because they make that fucking cool game where you can twat people over the head and steal their car. Who's the other one? Game who?"
Bring back the days when gaming was something you could enjoy without being told by the mass media what you should be playing.
Yakumo
Blur2040
04-28-2005, 12:48 PM
Sigh, one of these days we'll find that happy median between coolness and innovation.
Survival Tobita
04-28-2005, 12:48 PM
Bring back the days when gaming was something you could enjoy without being told by the mass media what you should be playing.
Yakumo
Unless we see another 1983 style market crash (and THAT won't happen again since the overall market is many times larger than it was back then), this is never gonna happen. <Insert preoccupation Here> will be "ruined" eventually by "The Man" and this is inevitable. I guess I've just heard way too many fans of everything from games, musical acts, anime, computers, whatever the hell you want speak longlingly about "the good ol' days" to have any sympathy for it anymore. I do understand where you're coming from, but it seems to me that the only thing that can be done about it is to tune it out.
Sinjd
04-28-2005, 12:54 PM
Speaking of the revolution, has anyone read the comments section of that BrokenSaints post? Some fella by the name of Aries has opened up a whole can of worms on the subject...
In my personal opinion, he is either telling the truth or has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much free time.. I'm crossing my fingers its the former, but who knows...
Paulo
04-28-2005, 01:27 PM
Give us an idea of what they said .... or a link!
Sinjd
04-28-2005, 01:44 PM
Below is some of what was said (http://brokensaints.com/blog/?p=48#comments) :
It will also have gyroscopic controls, but like Brooke said, not all the games will use it. For instance, earlier I mentioned Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution. This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other things. Our game isn’t using this function.
The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement. This is another optional capibility. Someone on Nintendo’s board mentioned this months ago. They said that “touching is good, but feeling is better.” This may sound strange, but it provides great controls. Racing games will really be helped by this control setting.
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
"From what I’ve heard, Capcom and Namco are sold on the Revolution and are currently playing around with the development kits. I don’t know whether they are actually making games for it though. I was suprised to hear that Square Soft has a game in development for the Revolution. It will be at E3 as well as some other next gen titles for the PS3."
"Microsoft is banking on stealing the show, but I think they will be upstaged by Nintendo as well as Sony. It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers."
"All three consoles are going to be very powerful, trust me. I’ll give you some information though: it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360. Much more powerful. Many gamers seem to think it will be as powerful as the GBA or something. That isn’t the case at all. From what I saw during my time their as well as our game, it will be very capible. "
"As I mentioned earlier, Square Enix (happy now?) is developing a new game for the Revolution. EA, Sega, Zoonami, Namco, and Activision are currently working on games.
EA is playing around with the Revolution’s capibilities, implementing them into another Madden game. This isn’t really news though. From what I’ve heard, they are really going out of their way to make this more than just a port. Voice controls are being used to the max in this title. Calling out audibles will be used this way. The wireless capibilities of the system are also going to be used. Like I said, there will be no reason to buy Madden for the Xbox 360 when the Revolution version comes out.
Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.
Zoonami has already given out some hints on what they are working on. I have always felt that Sam Fisher is a much better character than Solid Snake. Zoonami just might have some characters that are better than both of them.
Namco is working on a Revolution game, but I don’t have details on it. I am sure that it is not a Soul Caliber III port. I don’t see why they just won’t add online play and Link and Ganon to the game and release it as a launch title. That would be a very smart move.
Activision is working on some ports for the Revolution. You will see what they have for the Xbox 360 at E3. At least one of these games will be ported to the Revolution for its launch."
"Like I said, I have seen seven Nintendo titles, some of which will be at E3. When the DS was launced, it had one sub par 1st party game. This will not be the case with the Revolution’s launch. If they were to release all the games I’ve seen at launch, it would easily be the best launch ever for a console.
I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.
A new Super Smash Bros. Melee is in the works as well. This game will demonstrate the online functions of the Revolution. Nintendo has added many new things into the game, included a deeper combat system. Many more special moves are included as well as some very cool suprises. The levels will include some destructible environments, and the characters will be fully customizable. Want to play as Mario in his 80’s outfit? Or would you prefer the 90’s look? It’s your choice. The most innovative part of the game is the different modes. In previous games, you were allowed to play in giant mode, metal mode, small mode, etc. That has changed. You will be able to choose to play in a “Paper” mode (a la Paper Mario), a cel shaded mode (Wind Waker), or Viewtiful Joe-esque mode.
As I said earlier, Retro is working on a Halo killer.This game is going to be one of the best games at E3. In my opinion, StarCraft was the best RTS ever. This game is going to use some similar ideas. In most FPS, you play as a hero trying to save the day. In Retro’s game, they allow you to choose which storyline you want to play, just like StarCraft allows you to play as Terran, Zerg, etc. Biological weapons will play a major part in the game. Imagine fighting in a chemical plant, where toxics are stored everywhere. By shooting them, you emit the toxic. If you get hit by this stuff, many different things may happen. For instance, you may lose sight on the screen, your controls might be inverted or slowed down, etc. Or, if your character gets the fever, the controller might get hot. Very hot. The alien races are very interesting also. You will be able to switch to 3rd person in order to move faster (similar to running in Odd World: Stranger’s Wrath). You will be able to “impregnate” human players by grabbing on to them for a certain amount of time. This will implant a NPC in them, which will burst out at your command, instantly killing the human player. You will then be able to use voice control to command the NPC."
Paulo
04-28-2005, 02:07 PM
I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.
YAY a collection of mini games!
Alchy
04-28-2005, 02:20 PM
I call bullshit, he said PS3 will be easier to develop for than the next Xbox. That goes against everything else I've heard.
For anyone who's interested in what's said in the blog, but doesn't feel like reading 1000+ posts: http://www.onefishtwofishredfishbluefish.org/revrumors
GaijinPunch
04-28-2005, 04:20 PM
they ask me what i like to do in my free time & i tell them i like playing games and i just get the typical generic eye rolling and the usual reply of how i should get out more. Really amusing really as most of them just sit at home watching soaps.
Hehe. Most of the people I work with know that I play games. They also know that I surf, go to the gym, and get out more than them (mainly b/c they all have kids) and put gay porn wallpaper on their computers if they fuck with me.
XerdoPwerko
04-28-2005, 05:07 PM
pfft. Gaming is accepted. So what? I still do it because I like it, not because EVERYBODY ELSE does.
The big problem here being that what was once directed to an elite group of geeks, is now having to be redesigned to accomodate the <i> masses </i>. (BOY that sounds elitist). And you know what? Executives and marketers treat the masses like they're beasts - like a bunch of useless and illiterate morons who buy anything that has a brand stamped on it.
Elitist as that may sound, most of us who were around when gaming was a bit more oriented to a specific niche, had our gaming needs more purposefully filled. While today's gaming experiences still have some of yesterday's innovative contents, fact is that, like music or movies, there are now too many marketers and executives involved in the decisionmaking, and too little creativity in the industry as a whole. Games could become as generic as comercial music and movies have. Stuff will have no publisher because it doesn't sell, and we'll get more and more crap from the britneys and adam sandlers of gaming - burying the true form of fun and innovative gaming under an utterly unavoidable pile of commercial popularity.
Maybe it won't go that far, but you know what happens when too many marketers and too little creativity are involved? Something similar to the 1983 market. Let's say the industry doesn't crash like that. There'll still be thousands of identical crap games, being bought because they're cool, as opposed to thousands of identical crap games not being bought.
Still sounds like a grim future, doesn't it?
Let's talk about revolution, though.
... there's still nothing much to talk about. It'd damn well be revolutionary or it might be nintendo's last console. Not because nintendo is worse, but because they have less money. They're in a risky situation. Still - I really don't find sony or microsoft very impressive either, as of yet.
And if I'd qualify as a "something" fanboy, I'm a <i> GAMING </i> fanboy, and I have consoles from pretty much everyone - Atari, Mattel, Nintendo, Sony... It's all good as long as it doesn't suck ass. And sucking ass is (literally and metaphoricly) a VERY personal thing.
Funkstar De Luxe
04-28-2005, 05:43 PM
Theres a very good reason why VR never took off in the arcades, firstly the machines were obcenely expensive to buy & the hardware wasnt up to the task which is why they all had poor looking jerky 90's pc polygon visuals. The glasses argument dosent really wash as i wear glasses & have no problem with wearing another. I do it all the time when playing on my eyetreks or on my virtual boy.
Well I don't wear them nor do I wish to. I don't want to wear glasses to play video games the same as I don't want the use crutches to play football.
I think technology has progressed far enough to do vr decently.
We all thought that 10 years ago.
As for the hype i see no problem, all 3 companies are doing it. To be honest sony is the worst offender, they are trying to turn them into some sort of fashion accessory (im looking at you PSP). Remember all the shit & hype about PS2 been super powerful, oh we have to be careful terrorists dont get them as they can use it to power missiles. When i saw the launch games i laughed my ass off it could barely produce a decent game let alone power a missile.
I'm sure you could if you wanted to. Man went to the moon with less than a 75Mhz PC.
Calpis
04-28-2005, 05:48 PM
PS2 already has touch sensitive (analog) buttons, and the gyroscope idea sounds pretty bad. It's annoying when people (especially little kids) jerk around the controller when playing videogames as if it accomplishes something, now it will.
I also wouldn't be able to stand wearing 3D glasses/goggles or anything else on my face/head, that intrudes my personal space ;).
Baseley09
04-28-2005, 05:50 PM
I want VR.
I really do.
Funkstar De Luxe
04-28-2005, 05:53 PM
YAY a collection of mini games!
Because their new functions have no other practical use. Really, why do Nintendo think they can revolutionise control? An analogue stick and D-Pad is all I really need. It'll take a hell of an engineering job to prove otherwise to me.
I love Nintendo games, but they were better before they started putting bullshit in. Controlling Mario with a stylus? No.
Funkstar De Luxe
04-28-2005, 05:53 PM
I want VR.
I really do.
I've yet to see it used as more than a cheesey gimmik.
Johnny Vodka
04-28-2005, 07:12 PM
lol, there was a sliders episode on today about VR..mwahaha, damn that was funny.
Anyways, I'll give this a chance and try it out, just because it's new. It sounds dumb, but maybe they'll pull it off and blow everyone away...maybe.
cahaz
04-28-2005, 07:43 PM
that you like it or not, nintendo's next console seems to be the most interesting. Still it could be all bullshit, it's now up to ninty. The revolution everyon's waiting for or just another hype just like the others? it seems to be the second option, for now, but i really hope not. talk about the ps3 having a proccessor better than 1000 proccesors of today's pcs all in one mega powerfull CELL proccesor, that would break the Moore law and all, and try to not laugh. or what about that emotion engine that could bring us into a matrix-esque world?
Three are three ways to do 3D images and all of them are flawed....
1 - LCD Shutters / Spinning Disc
Ah the first wave of VR. Flick between left and right images at around 15 frames a second to get a 3D image... nice not...
Seen in
Vectrex Imager (Spinning Coloured Disc)
Sega 3D Glasses - Mark III / Master System
Nintendo 3D Glasses - Famicom
Continental Circus - Arcade
2 - Red / Green glasses
A few games used Red / Green filters and Red / Green graphics to do 3D, yes it worked but the results were fairly awful as in the B Movie films that used it.
Seen in
A few computer games, even on the Spectrum (idiots...)
3 - Twin Screen glasses
The third wave had tiny LCD screens giving you two images, better refresh rates but still gave most people head aches, play it for too long and you got crossed eyed. Later ones used Direct 3D so gave fairly good results(ish).
Seen in
Virtual Boy
Various PC 3D glasses
4 - Psuedo 3D
This method uses curved surfaces to give the impression of 3D, works well but it's not a true 3D image.
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Segas Time Traveler
5 - Polarised light
Another method is to use polarising filters to polarise the light and using cheap glasses (even disposable ones) so you only see the correct polarised image. An excellent method as it does work very well, and with Direct X on PCs you can get it to work with any 3D game. However it's out of the league of consumers, why? Well it requires two projectors to project an image onto a screen (works well in cinemas say...) most people cant afford one... the image also has to be sqaure else you get distortion errors which will confuse the heck out of your brain... Another way of doing it would be to use a monochromic LCD screen with very fine lines and you could get a reasonable 3Dish image from that with little extra cost...
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Expensive executive demostrations (one example I saw cost about $20,000....)
6 - Directed / Refracted Light
Two manufacturers have created screens that by having a panel of directed / refracted light you can get 3D images as you can create an image that is unique to the left and right eyes. Works well but prices starting at $4,000 it's a little on the expensive side.
7 - Motion Tracking
Not true 3D in a sense but tracking a person moving left and right and altering the screen so you get a 3D effect works well for one person at least... also requires a large screen, generally plasma or projection so several thousand dollars at least...
8 - Lasers
The main problem is getting decent coloured images as well as having enough computer power to do a true 3D image. A few prototypes of Laser Holographic displays have been built but they run in to many tens of thousands of dollars... Still a way off...
So the Revolution will have gyroscopes, well whoopie do... wonder if there will be a waiter game... 3D holographs are a little way off yet...
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