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Dion

01-17-2012, 01:14 PM

Ever since I came back from my 6 year absence, it's all been nothing but excitement back in the world of neogeo. I have always done my best to create hype and make the neo more fun and interesting.

I showed the photos and told people many times that I came back only because we were selling EVERYTHING (our personal aes stock, neo cds, neo music cds, all our extra aes cases: original and snaplock, various collectibles, arts, and the protos).

Here is just a few samples of the posts where I mentioned we recently sold Last Odyssey and that is was going to be released soon:

Our FLASH cartridge was sold
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=8
04/26/2011
post: 153
The point is moot because we recently sold our only copy (flash memory) of Last Odyssey.

Last Odyssey sold and being released
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=21
05/09/2011
post 414
FYI, and for the people you're speaking for who may have an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles, Last Odyssey has been sold to someone planning on making a release.

Unreleased Game Footage
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23106&page=7
03/04/2011
post 133
The footage you see floating around the internet of Fun Fun Brothers, Mystic Wand, Bang Busters, Last Odyssey, are all from (NGF), from many, many years ago. Before there was a youtube, we offered NGF Promo Videos for people. This way people could see a game in action and decide if they wanted to invest. The first promo tape NGF made was in 1996, NeoGeo Collectors Tape, and the last was Zupapa, Bang Busters, Last Odyssey back in 2001. I really did my best to inform the neo fans.

7 carts to evaluate
Zupapa info page: 2001
http://www.ngfusa.com/zupapa/zupapa.htm

Q: What makes this game so special?
A: .....The games they sent us to evaluate were Zupapa, Band Busters, Last Odyssey, Crossed Swords 2, Warlocks of the Fates, Zintrick, and Ghostlop. Of all those titles, the strongest were Zupapa, Zintrick, Ghostlop, and Last Odyssey (in that order). So our first recommendation was for Zupapa.
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10 year buzz heard round the world!!
That's exactly what and why we did it. Pure promotion. We had many videos and games being played and shown to draw in the crowd and create a buzz (at our NGF booth at the CGE), for NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA, that has now lasted almost 10 years!!! It was genius.

The only part of the saga I find odd (as no offence I couldn't care if you actually had Last Odyssey or not, besides it looks crap anyway), why bother labelling the cart in the demo pics and if so why use such a shitty torn label for marketing purposes?
LegGit, that's the magic question.

Torn label, for lost game.
The "torn" label and hand written title was how we wanted the game to look as for promotion. Something of the "lost" game found in secret cave, beneath a ton of files and old manuscripts. Like the findings of the dead sea scrolls or the unfinished portrait of George Washington.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/protos/deadseascrolls.jpg

http://www.neogeofreak.com/protos/gwash.jpg

http://www.neogeofreak.com/LOde.jpg

NGF, By Design
Everything NGF has ever said and done, has all been well orchestrated and part of an overall design. Something as simple as a "torn" sticker on an unreleased game still has people talking a decade later.

I remember the first few days after the CGE, so many people were talking about the "torn label." It was all for marketing and promotion (and it was tremendously successful!!)
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Why were you all pretending to play a game when you had the actual cart...?

I never posed or had my photograph taken and acted as if I was playing the game. That being said, I can't explain why others may have.

But not everyone acted as if they were playing the game. Some people just posed next to the screen.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/lsprpck.jpg

It was (back in 2002) 10 years ago and people must have been excited to see the game in action for the very first time. So almost everyone at our CGE2K2 booth took photos with the Last Odyssey.

We also sold many copies of our NGF Promo video (vhs tape) to many collectors. The footage shown on youtube and on other various neo proto pages is all from our NGF Promo Video tape series.
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wheelaa

01-17-2012, 03:51 PM

And you claim not to read NG forums? You are a pecker.

People should read the real story brewing on those forums.

Oh, and please stop claiming that you had ANY involvement with NCI and B2B. I've asked them explictly, their cart DID NOT come from you, and COULD NOT have ever come from you / been in your hands.

(Lady front bottom)

Edit - I do like the old worn out line

sold to NGF In-Circle members only

which explains why noone has ever heard of your supposed protos out there. Make some shit up, claim to sell it to non-existant bum lickers. You are class Dion, albeit the wrong class.

(Personally I find your lies quite offensive now. Look around this forum, there are lots of people here who do actually hunt down and release protos, people for whom sharing knowledge is a passion, not some trussed ego trip spattered with lies. Your behaviour is rather disgusting truth be told, trying to gain some credibility via this forum and the effort and passion of others. Fortunately most people know what you actually are, certainly those who care, and by extension 'matter', do. Sickening.)

Juste

01-17-2012, 04:36 PM

Dion

01-17-2012, 05:28 PM

Why create this topic when I think you don't show/talk of any new things? You said origins of protos, but then post nothing to back/show that (just speak of the same things as before).

For example, You speak about Last Odyssey again, but it's just with the same old talk/pictures you always use. Nothing new.

Everything comes true
How many times can I show photos of the boards or show screen shots? The game is from 1995 and is old news. All I did was show direct links to when I said that we had sold Last Odyssey 8 months ago and that it would soon be released. And everything I said has come true.

Not seeking credit
Neither Chris nor myself has ever tried to imply or take credit for any of these rom dump proto releases. All we have ever mentioned is that we had these games from about 10 years ago. We even provided NGF Promo videos of all games, further proving that we did in fact have these games.

NGF saved the neo
I'm happy to see people still keeping up the interest in the neogeo system. But it if wasn't for Chris and myself, as NeoGeoFreak, the system would be all but dead. Only NGF had the foresight to buy out all of the old SNK stock during their bankruptcy and we also saved all the arts and protos from many years ago that otherwise would have been thrown away.

Question: Did NGF have anything to do with Last Odyssey roms being dumped and sold on a one on one basis?
Answer: No. Not at all. We had nothing to do with the Last Odyssey roms being dumped.

Question: Did the cartridge originate from NGF?
Answer: Yes. NGF was the only known and verified owners of Last Odyssey proto dating back to 2001. We provided people with photos of the proto boards, we provided full length promo videos, we had the game available for In-Circle member sales, and we sold the flash rom cart 8 months ago and I openly said "It would soon be released."

How could I know so precisely that Last Odyssey would soon be available, after being so guarded for the previous 17 years?
05/09/2011
I openly said it was sold and will soon be released. And with 8 months, voila!!! The game magically is released. I said it 05/09/2011

Fact as, Fact can
Those are the facts.
NGF didn't do the dump nor are we trying to take credit for it.
But the cartridge did originate from NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA.
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Juste

01-17-2012, 06:18 PM

You said the game is from 1995 and is old news, but then you used it strongly in your posts. If it's seen like that, just old news, why bring it up? Though I guess I already know the answer to that.

Do you really not see? The pictures you used, and continue to use didn't prove anything 100%. Don't you get that? For example, the picture of the game running, or a video playing, you know, the one with the "torn" label. Which was it? Don't you see? Keep posting them, keep repeating the same things. The things that people don't trust in, or believe to be true. It is not just for this game, but many things. Can't you understand that? But then, something tells me you do. It keeps people talking about you, about NGF, and that's all that seems to matter to yourself.

And I think to say "but it if wasn't for Chris and myself, as NeoGeoFreak, the system would be all but dead" is really wrong, and nowhere near true at all.

Dion

01-17-2012, 09:50 PM

You said the game is from 1995 and is old news, but then you used it strongly in your posts. If it's seen like that, just old news, why bring it up? Though I guess I already know the answer to that.

I brought it up because that the topic of the day is the private roms sales that are currently being done.

Do you guys really have no concept of what's going on? It's all so obvious.
Just give it a few more weeks. I'll explain it all in detail.
Mark this date and remember these explanation lines:

Triumphal.....
negotiated deal / read between the lines
Current tallies of ......
....this coming in from, so did the people we're.....
....made my return. That type of.....
......to finalize a few........
History r........ts
scene boomed bigger....

Anyone with logic should have been able to connect the dots early on.

I came back and unreleased games appeared within months of me stating they would.
Some very well known neo people already know a lot of these details and they'll probably speak up when it's all said and done.

Read the 3 quotes in my signature carefully.
Steve Jobs' quote fits perfectly. We've never let the noise of other people get in the way of our intuitions and ideas. We always had the courage to follow our own path.

Yes, We are NeoGeoFreak

MottZilla

01-17-2012, 11:53 PM

What exactly was the purpose of this thread? Did some NeoGeo prototype recently hit the internets and get added to MAME?

Druid II

01-18-2012, 12:17 AM

Zupapa info page: 2001
http://www.ngfusa.com/zupapa/zupapa.htm

Oh haha, I remember that. And the discussions made by people who bought a copy and opened up the AES carts.

I still want those goddamn art stickers/sheets/data from the MO discs/whatever they are. Zupapa had lovely artwork.

Dion

01-18-2012, 01:10 AM

Oh haha, I remember that. And the discussions made by people who bought a copy and opened up the AES carts.

I still want those goddamn art stickers/sheets/data from the MO discs/whatever they are. Zupapa had lovely artwork.

There you go, and good for you for remembering the Zupapa page from 11 years ago. All of the writing has always been right in front of everyone. I'm glad your one of the people brave enough to speak up and admit to remembering older/original posts. Even the playmore press release states the proto games that we always had available.

Contact me if you're interested in some of the Zupapa arts.
dion@ngfusa.com or join NeoGeoFreak facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NeoGeoFreak
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Juste

01-18-2012, 05:50 AM

I brought it up because that the topic of the day is the private roms sales that are currently being done.

Do you guys really have no concept of what's going on? It's all so obvious.
Just give it a few more weeks. I'll explain it all in detail.
Mark this date and remember these explanation lines:

Triumphal.....
negotiated deal / read between the lines
Current tallies of ......
....this coming in from, so did the people we're.....
....made my return. That type of.....
......to finalize a few........
History r........ts
scene boomed bigger....

Anyone with logic should have been able to connect the dots early on.

I came back and unreleased games appeared within months of me stating they would.
Some very well known neo people already know a lot of these details and they'll probably speak up when it's all said and done.

Read the 3 quotes in my signature carefully.
Steve Jobs' quote fits perfectly. We've never let the noise of other people get in the way of our intuitions and ideas. We always had the courage to follow our own path.

Yes, We are NeoGeoFreak

I think you just created this topic to show that you have/had a place in what is going to happen soon regarding protos, and you just want people to know that. Why not keep the private ROM sales private if that's what they are, private. But I think if that happened then your name wouldn't be mentioned, or be known that you helped in someway, no matter how little.

Even if your part was only to sell the game, you still need people to know that, to place yourself in another part of Neo Geo history. To make sure your name is mentioned/included.

jsiucho

01-18-2012, 08:38 AM

Tonk over at the NG forums is about to release Last Odyssey, and now this clown wants to take credit as usual.

JS

What exactly was the purpose of this thread? Did some NeoGeo prototype recently hit the internets and get added to MAME?

teddyufo

01-18-2012, 09:32 AM

Dion answers your lies now .....

On neo-geo.com , You claim " Bang Busters - soon released, sold by NGF to NCI "

You never gave the B2B to NCI !

metallizer

01-18-2012, 09:34 AM

Last Odyssey is out on people´s hands now. Why don´t you talk about in game specifics that are not available in the VHS demo tape?

Take it as a way to prove you ever had this game at some point.

Mystical

01-18-2012, 11:45 AM

im confused, is this guy claiming credit for something he hasn't done then? or is he trying to get more credit than deserved, can anyone explain?

@Dion - seriously don't quote yourself in your sig, doesn't present you in a good light, especially a 12 year old quote at that

Juste

01-18-2012, 12:27 PM

I think he is trying to connect himself to it just from belief that the cartridge originated from NGF but had nothing to do with anything else. So that's his angle to get his name in or whatever.

wheelaa

01-18-2012, 12:35 PM

Pretty much. As with everything NGF it's a muddle of overstatement and lies.

He claims way back when to have had protos of numerous Neo Geo titles.

Two of these are Bang Bang Busters and Lost Odyssey.

He claims that way back when, he made some carts of each of these and sold them to 'in-circle' (aka arse kissing losers) NGF people, although given the numbers of carts he claimed he made, no actual evidence has been shown that these carts exist. If there are 50 carts of a game out there it simply doesn't slip under the cracks for 10 years, never to be heard of! Point me to another system where 6-8 games with cart runs of 50 are never seen.

Additionally pretty much all 'evidence' he has shown to 'prove' he once owned these protos, has pretty much been debunked as bullshit. Staged pictures of people 'playing' games when in fact it was a video played on a TV, cheap lies like that.

What has happened more recently is that these two protos - BBB and LO - have indeed surfaced.

A new team called NCI obtained a copy of BBB (aka Bang 2 Busters), completed the title (the proto was like 90% there), and released copies for sale. Dion and the other moron that comprised the pathetic NGF enterprise claim the copy that NCI have, came from them.

That is a big fat lie. I have B2B from NCI, have exchanged numerous emails with them, and they have confirmed categorically that Dion had nothing to do with their B2B. Furthermore, from what they have said, it is 99% that the proto they found could NEVER have been owned by Dion etc.

As regards Lost Odyssey - a member on another forum (who is a former mod from here) has found a proto of it. Again Dion is trying to claim that he had a part in this. The member on another forum has stated it is nothing to do with Dion etc. That would be a bit of he said she said, but for the fact that the person who unearthed LO is a serious NG community man, who has played a part in the Ghostlop release, and was responsible for the NG technical docs that are out there now.

This other person - actions. Dion - words. One of these carries weight in the eyes of the sensible, one does not.

Trouble is, by continuing to post on Dion's threads, we are unfortunately falling into the NGF trap. He doesn't give a shit about truth, all he wants is PR. He seems to think that even all the criticism he receives is like food from the gods.

Bottom line - Dion is telling porkies yet again.

Bottom line - don't reply to such threads*. Stop feeding the ego (even though no sensible person sees a post pretty much calling said person a piece of shit as a good thing!!!), and hopefully the ego will fuck off and die.

(*I'm aware how shockingly hypocritcal I am lol..but I just like calling shit, shit tbfh!)

Dion

01-18-2012, 12:36 PM

Tonk over at the NG forums is about to release Last Odyssey, and now this clown wants to take credit as usual. JS

Mike/tonk isn't releasing anything. He never had that game, or any other unreleased games. All he is doing is forwarding the link of the rom file.

im confused, is this guy claiming credit for something he hasn't done then? or is he trying to get more credit than deserved, can anyone explain?

Read post #7 in this thread.

Question: Did NGF have anything to do with Last Odyssey roms being dumped and sold on a one on one basis?
Answer: No. Not at all. We had nothing to do with the Last Odyssey roms being dumped.

Some people need to relax.
I've always said I dont dump and upload roms. I've said that on many occasions.
I came here, NGF sold Last Odyssey, and now that game has been dumped. Isn't that what people wanted? We're happy with the sale, and everyone else should be happy with the rom dump.

This shouldn't turn into the Spanish Inquisition over the sale and dumping of a video game.
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teddyufo

01-18-2012, 03:32 PM

Again Mr Dion .. answer your lies now !

On neo-geo.com , You claim " Bang Busters - soon released, sold by NGF to NCI "

You never gave the B2B to NCI ! please dion answer ... why you lie ?

metallizer

01-18-2012, 03:59 PM

Since my last post was strategically skimmed, I´m going to make this one big enough.

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/metallizer_/LONGFoffer.jpg

So, what you have to say for yourself, it´s now time to prove you had this game for real, not just some VHS footage of it. Please make it fast btw, it´s only a matter of time before teh romz leaks out.

Dion

01-18-2012, 07:49 PM

Again Mr Dion .. answer your lies now !

On neo-geo.com , You claim " Bang Busters - soon released, sold by NGF to NCI "

You never gave the B2B to NCI ! please dion answer ... why you lie ?

I've never experienced such a group of whiners in my life. It's a video game.
First: I don't post at ng.com, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Second: Bang Busters did indeed originate from the NGF sale.
Third: Using the term "lie" and/or "liar" in reference to someone without knowing all the details makes you look foolish, childish, and shows a lack of personal education.
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MottZilla

01-18-2012, 08:14 PM

Second: Bang Busters did indeed originate from the NGF sale.

Simple question, how do you know this? The problem with prototypes is that people assume things about them that you cannot assume. There could be more than one prototype cartridge. Someone else could have gotten ahold of another cart somehow. Unless you have some specific way of telling that the prototype is infact the same one you possessed before. I'm not saying you are wrong or lieing or anything like that, just stating that it can't be assumed that there is only 1 prototype cartridge out there one some particular game.

Dion

01-18-2012, 08:15 PM

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/metallizer_/LONGFoffer.jpg

I just read the post by mike/tonk. I have no problem with the guy, but I do think he goes about things in a wrong manner, but let's not digress any further.....

His question about specific details about the game is ridiculous
I used to play Montezuma's Revenge and Miner 2049er on ColecoVision for years, yet I couldn't answer such a detailed and specific question about a certain fruit or background detail from memory. I don't think anyone would be able to do that without popping in the game and playing it again.

To prove my point
Here's my question for anyone to answer from memory within a few minutes!
Blue's Journey, 5th stage, what is the new boss weapon?
What is in the background on the right?

How can anyone be expected to know the answer that I'm looking for, without being able to check the game. No one will know subtle details because it's not something players are thinking of at the time. (this isn't video game Jeopardy).
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wheelaa

01-19-2012, 04:38 AM

Second: Bang Busters did indeed originate from the NGF sale.
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No. Ask NCI. Nothing to do with you.

Continuing to lie when the facts show otherwise shows what a cunt you really are.

And stop trying to brush all this under the carpet. YOU started this thread to try and steal other people's thunder, so take the flack when you're proven to be a shitbag.

NGF never had these protos, there is simply no proof.

PS - I see you have changed your sig. How pathetic you are that you can't ever seem to stand by your own words / behaviour. What a loser.

Juste

01-19-2012, 05:45 AM

I just read the post by mike/tonk. I have no problem with the guy, but I do think he goes about things in a wrong manner, but let's not digress any further.....

His question about specific details about the game is ridiculous
I used to play Montezuma's Revenge and Miner 2049er on ColecoVision for years, yet I couldn't answer such a detailed and specific question about a certain fruit or background detail from memory. I don't think anyone would be able to do that without popping in the game and playing it again.

To prove my point
Here's my question for anyone to answer from memory within a few minutes!
Blue's Journey, 5th stage, what is the new boss weapon?
What is in the background on the right?

How can anyone be expected to know the answer that I'm looking for, without being able to check the game. No one will know subtle details because it's not something players are thinking of at the time. (this isn't video game Jeopardy).
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You mist MottZilla's post (how surprising).

Druid II

01-19-2012, 12:14 PM

There you go, and good for you for remembering the Zupapa page from 11 years ago. All of the writing has always been right in front of everyone. I'm glad your one of the people brave enough to speak up and admit to remembering older/original posts. Even the playmore press release states the proto games that we always had available.

Contact me if you're interested in some of the Zupapa arts.
dion@ngfusa.com or join NeoGeoFreak facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NeoGeoFreak
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Well the posts I'm referring to aren't ones putting you in the most positive light, but it's a 11 year old forum thread where all the picture comparisons are dead links by now, plus I never really cared to begin with. Suffice to say, there was some drama around it.

And of course I remember Zupapa! I consider it one of the dozen or so good Neogeo games.
I did contact you about those art stickers, back in 2005. As it is, I was broke then, and I'm still broke now, to buy a few art stickers. I'd love to get them (or the data stored on those MO discs, provided they are HQ copies of the art, which would save me the hassle of scanning), but my money has too many other priorities.

Dion

01-19-2012, 12:59 PM

You mist MottZilla's post (how surprising).

Relax guy, give me time to reply to questions.

Simple question, how do you know this? The problem with prototypes is that people assume things about them that you cannot assume.

Unless you have some specific way of telling that the prototype is infact the same one you possessed before. I'm not saying you are wrong or lieing or anything like that, just stating that it can't be assumed that there is only 1 prototype cartridge out there one some particular game.

Great question Mottzilla

No assumptions and no banter on private deals
Never have I spoken out about private deals to the public, unless the purchaser opens up first.
With that being said, I know who our Bang Busters was sold to, and what that person did with the game.

I've done a numbers of transactions with members here and on other neo sites. I offered and sold 100 aes snaplock cases here at assembler and within a month they were being resold on ebay for triple the price. I sold neo game cds, neo music cds, laserdiscs, and of course, many aes carts from my personal collection. Some have resold the items and claimed to be the original owners. Some may not want to deal with loudmouths making a an issue of the items origins. No big deal.

Sellers didn't mention they purchased from NGF because they didn't have to nor are they obligated to.
People can buy and resell whatever they want. Remember, NGF was a distributor, so our business was to sell in bulk and let other people resell and make money as well. (the way all business is done)
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wheelaa

01-19-2012, 03:04 PM

For the final fucking time, stop trying to intimate that you have had anything to do with NCI B2B!

I appreciate you are a cunt, and clearly a stupid one at that, on top of being a thief and a liar.

Your misleading words, half truths etc...CUNT.

In a post of yours here you claim a picture is of a B2B proto, claim, because you have no proof it is what you say it is.

You have repeatedly hinted that NCI aquired B2B from you, albeit indirectly.

So let's have a look then shall we.

As posted here
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540495&postcount=350
NGC supposed B2B proto (Yes, we are neo geo cunts!)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4812/bangbusters.jpg

(I uploaded the piccie separately as Dickhead is wont to edit his posts as soon as inconsistencies are pointed out)

And a quote in advance of the likely edit...

I've added some photos of a few of the protos.
The ones pictured show the use of Flash Memory cards and custom boards.

Bang Busters
http://www.neogeofreak.com/protos/bangbusters_.jpg

NCI B2B proto here
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192879884102082&set=a.192879394102131.51112.129060620484009&type=1&ref=nf

So you sold a B2B proto. That was then converted from flash to chips, which were then added to a NG socket board. That was then sold back to Visco, and then acquired by NCI.

Yeah, you're clearly responsible for the NCI proto! And I'm Tess Daly.

Dion

01-19-2012, 03:17 PM

As posted here
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540495&postcount=350
NGC supposed B2B proto (Yes, we are neo geo cunts!)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4812/bangbusters.jpg

(I uploaded the piccie separately as Dickhead is wont to edit his posts as soon as inconsistencies are pointed out)

And a quote in advance of the likely edit...

NCI B2B proto here
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192879884102082&set=a.192879394102131.51112.129060620484009&type=1&ref=nf

Yes, that is our original Bang Busters flash rom cartridge. So what?
Flash Roms can be dumped and burned to eproms.

Every Bang Buster sold was by nci or other resellers uses eprom chips.
It isn't like anyone can make and sell hundreds of flash rom cartridges.
But you're free to believe any story you like.

Every person who owns a Bang Busters aes or mvs can open their cartridges and verify that the cartridge they bought have eproms. I fail to see your point.

By the way, I'll show a photo of the neogeo modem cartridge that we showed at the CGE2k1 for future talks and interest. (yes, the neogeo had a modem cartridge). Give you guys some more interesting stuff and information on our beloved neogeo.
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wheelaa

01-19-2012, 03:22 PM

How fucking stupid can you get! Dion stupid, that's how fucking stupid.

You and that other sack of shit claim, hint, suggest etc that NCI indirectly acquired B2B from you.

They got it from Visco.

So unless you sold your 'proto', the data was then format changed (which obviosuly can be done, and yes of course I know what the NCI B2B carts are), sold back to Visco etc.....I mean come on. What are you missing here. What do you fail to understand?

Are you claiming then that you sold your proto, the buyer of it burnt it to a socket dev boards, then sold / gave it back to Visco, for NCI to then come along?

If not, then kindly explain how a proto you claim to have had, since released by NCI, came from Visco to NCI? Perhaps I'm missing something????
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192879424102128&set=a.192879394102131.51112.129060620484009&type=1&permPage=1
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192879720768765&set=a.192879394102131.51112.129060620484009&type=1&permPage=1

Your supposed B2B proto and the confirmed, that's right, CONFIRMED NCI proto have nothing to do with each other.

Except in your head.

Dion

01-19-2012, 03:27 PM

How fucking stupid can you get! Dion stupid, that's how fucking stupid.

You and that other sack of shit claim, hint, suggest etc that NCI indirectly acquired B2B from you.

They got it from Visco.

So unless you sold your 'proto', the data was then format changed (which obviosuly can be done, and yes of course I know what the NCI B2B carts are), sold back to Visco etc.....I mean come on. What are you missing here. What do you fail to understand?

Are you claiming then that you sold your proto, the buyer of it burnt it to a socket dev boards, then sold / gave it back to Visco, for NCI to then come along?

If not, then kindly explain how a proto you claim to have had, since released by NCI, came from Visco to NCI? Perhaps I'm missing something????

Your supposed B2B proto and the confirmed, that's right, CONFIRMED NCI proto have nothing to do with each other.

Except in your head.

Believe what you want.
But how naive can you really be? Visco wouldn't sell an eprom cartridge to an outsider.
Gaming companies sell game programs as files on disc, not as burnt eproms.
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wheelaa

01-19-2012, 03:31 PM

So you're saying the NCI proto is fake*? That's the best you can do now?

Edit - I don't believe I have ever said 'sold' to NCI. Acquired by etc does not equate to sale.

Edit 2 - *coming from someone who's brief business traded to a large extent in fakes, I don't find your assertion surprising...just impossible to believe.

teddyufo

01-19-2012, 03:56 PM

Believe what you want.
But how naive can you really be? Visco wouldn't sell an eprom cartridge to an outsider.
Gaming companies sell game programs as files on disc, not as burnt eproms.
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:lol:

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2940/viscopart.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/viscopart.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

This screenshot comes from NCI , you can verify.... :nod:

wheelaa

01-19-2012, 04:00 PM

That's got to be fake too!!!!:lol:

(I was saying it wasn't fake, just in a roundabout way! ;) I support NCI)

Oh wait, not everyone goes to such lengths to maintain a charade...just those really dedicated liars like NGF.

Kiddcade

01-19-2012, 08:09 PM

How can anyone be expected to know the answer that I'm looking for, without being able to check the game. No one will know subtle details because it's not something players are thinking of at the time. (this isn't video game Jeopardy).
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i remember the smurf figurines I got for my second birthday. I remember how much the little Navy sailor uniform itched. I remember dreams i had when I was six years old. I remember Strider's teddy bear in the background at Ken's Bedroom in Street figther Alpha 2. I haven't played SFA2 since 1998. i remember how my sister's eyes bubbled in a nightmare I had when I was 10. I remember a loop i made in my signature in high school one week.

Surely you can remember some detail from a video game you apparently owned for years and took great pride in playing when nobody else could. "video game Jeopardy" is pretty much exactly what this is, except he asked you for an answer, not a question. And even offered you money.

It's not really his fault he caught you in a lie and now you're scrambling to regain whatever credibility you may or may not have had.

Dion

01-19-2012, 08:15 PM

Surely you can remember some detail from a video game you apparently owned for years and took great pride in playing when nobody else could. "video game Jeopardy" is pretty much exactly what this is, except he asked you for an answer, not a question.

Some people may remember details and others may not. That being said, I never played much of that game or any of the other neo games too often. I couldn't tell you anything about Quiz Chibi or Twinkle Star Sprites either. I doubt I could recall much of AoF2 or WH2Jet, and those were my favorite games.

To each their own.
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Kiddcade

01-19-2012, 09:09 PM

Dion.. What's the NGH number for the game? Surely as the sole owners you guys KNEW THAT or WROTE IT DOWN somewhere...

_SD_

01-19-2012, 10:26 PM

Dion

01-20-2012, 12:31 AM

Yeah, I'd also like to know the NGH numbers of Last Odyssey and Warlocks of the Fates, and any of the other unreleased games you own.

And what's the NGH for the Irritating Maze Joystick Version please? Is it 236 like the standard version, or did it get assigned its own unique number?

NGF on ngh numbers
NGF stopped giving out NGH numbers to games over 12 years ago. This dates back to the dhp mailing list era. We saw how easily people forgot the ngh information we shared, or that they still doubted us, so we declared that we wouldn't talk of sequential numbers. Plus some people would get the numbers and claim to own an unreleased game, so we stopped giving numbers out as we didn't see ngh numbers and valid proof of anything.

Even on the NGF promo videos for all games: Fun Fun Brothers, Ganryu, Prehistoric Isle 2, Strikers 1945, Zupapa, Last Odyssey, Bang Busters, Mystic Wand, we never showed the numbers. Even our promo video inserts are numbered with a different NGF-V code.

We have a full list of ALL game numbers to all games both found or that still remain elusive. (from A to Z)(001-270something) (including Pair Pair Wars, QP, Dunk Star, Sunshine, etc...) We received the list direct from SNK-Japan files. (In other words, we have the numbers to all games, even ones we have never seen, played, or owned)

Just as we do not share/dump roms, we do not share/dump ngh numbers for any game (released/unreleased/found/missing)
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wheelaa

01-20-2012, 04:47 AM

Dion, you seem to have avoided some posts here. Care to expand on your repeated claims that NCI owe their B2B to you? I think that's been proven a lie.

So too your 'ownership' of LO.

And as for the NGH numbers, please. Is that really the best you can do now?

Even by your low standards, your recent rebuffs are weak, and I think most people can finally see through your bullshit.

Juste

01-20-2012, 10:25 AM

NGF on ngh numbers
NGF stopped giving out NGH numbers to games over 12 years ago. This dates back to the dhp mailing list era. We saw how easily people forgot the ngh information we shared, or that they still doubted us, so we declared that we wouldn't talk of sequential numbers. Plus some people would get the numbers and claim to own an unreleased game, so we stopped giving numbers out as we didn't see ngh numbers and valid proof of anything.

Even on the NGF promo videos for all games: Fun Fun Brothers, Ganryu, Prehistoric Isle 2, Strikers 1945, Zupapa, Last Odyssey, Bang Busters, Mystic Wand, we never showed the numbers. Even our promo video inserts are numbered with a different NGF-V code.

We have a full list of ALL game numbers to all games both found or that still remain elusive. (from A to Z)(001-270something) (including Pair Pair Wars, QP, Dunk Star, Sunshine, etc...) We received the list direct from SNK-Japan files. (In other words, we have the numbers to all games, even ones we have never seen, played, or owned)

Just as we do not share/dump roms, we do not share/dump ngh numbers for any game (released/unreleased/found/missing)
.

I'd really, really love to learn about all that (as with many other people), the numbers for all the games, seen or not seen, to learn correct title names/spellings etc. But ultimately your saying we have no chance of that, to learn about them from yourself, despite all the good things that could do (to learn new things/correct existing info, just filling in the blanks on many game databases). :(

I sincerely ask will you not change your stance/mind? Like you said, it has been 12 years now and I think lots can change in that amount time.

wheelaa

01-20-2012, 11:14 AM

Juste - he can't provide what he doesn't have.

For example I have Biohazard 1.5, 20 different builds. But I'm not going to share them.

See what I did there? That's NGF all over.

metallizer

01-22-2012, 09:07 AM

Chrisr finally took a chance at the offer:

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/metallizer_/LONGFoffer2.jpg

He got 3 questions right from the multiple choices tonk gave him, too bad they where all made up questions, and since chrisr was unable to call it. It just proved he never played Last Odyssey.

Nice try, VHS Jockey.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/859/lastodysseyfake2.jpg

Okay, now who wants to answer some made up questions about a game that doesn´t exist?

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3933/npmscreen1.jpg

First question:

How fake this title screen looks stripped from all it´s photoshop layers?

_SD_

01-22-2012, 12:50 PM

I'm a little disappointed that Last Odyssey isn't getting a release, but I am looking forward to the real news over the coming weeks.

Well done Tonk, you played NGF real well :clap:

I'm wondering if we'll see any response to this from Dion.....

mooseblaster

01-22-2012, 07:15 PM

Wow, after scanning through 20-odd pages on neo-geo.com to actually understand what the hell the last page of posts actually meant, I think I won't be going back there again. It's like being trapped in a room with a bunch of pubescent teenagers. No offence to people who usually frequent those boards, but that thread made many of you sound like a bunch of dicks, with chrisr actually coming off quite well until he got owned.

Just to recap what happened over at neo-geo.com:

* TonK announced he had a copy of Last Odyssey to neo-geo.com, and that he would release it after NGF's chrisr answered a few questions to prove he had it. To sweeten the pig, TonK offered $10k dollars to both Chrisr and Dion (which he showed in cash as an image to the board).
* Chrisr accepted, but avoided answering a single question TonK asked for several days.
* TonK sent Chrisr five questions via PM, of which ChrisR *supposedly* answered 3 out of 5 correct, according to TonK - prompting TonK to claim someone fed ChrisR the ROM or the answers. (questions and answers screencapped above)
* However, a day later TonK announced that it was all lies, he didn't have the ROM and the questions and answers were made-up gibberish. TonK told everyone someone sent chrisr the 'answers' to the questions in order to publicly humiliate Chris and imply NGF never had a copy of the game whilst also adding more fuel to the claims the game exhibited at a 2002 games show was actually just a video and not a real cartridge. (EDIT: Corrected this slightly as it made it sound like more solid facts than one person against another)

I expect Dion to be back, but hopefully a little wiser and probably a bit sheepish.

Dion

01-22-2012, 08:00 PM

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3933/npmscreen1.jpg

Impressive. Very nice screen capture from the rom/emulator. Where did you find this?
Let's see when this will finally get dumped.

We have this game already loaded in the emulator.
Big news is coming soon.
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It's like being trapped in a room with a bunch of pubescent teenagers. No offence to people who usually frequent those boards, but that thread made many of you sound like a bunch of dicks, with chrisr actually coming off quite well until he got owned.

I've said it for years, ng.com and their members are very childish.
Chris did NOT get owned. I'll elaborate below.

Just to recap what happened over at neo-geo.com:

* TonK announced he had a copy of Last Odyssey to neo-geo.com, and that he would release it after NGF's chrisr answered a few questions to prove he had it.
* Chrisr accepted, but avoided answering a single question TonK asked for several days.
* TonK sent Chrisr five questions via PM, of which ChrisR *supposedly* answered 3 out of 5 correct, according to TonK - prompting TonK to claim someone fed ChrisR the ROM or the answers. (questions and answers screencapped above)
* However, a day later TonK announced that it was all lies, he didn't have the ROM and the questions and answers were made-up gibberish. TonK had someone send chrisr the 'answers' to the questions in order to publicly humiliate Chris and imply NGF never had a copy of the game.

no matter what
Chris understood that no matter what he would have said in regards to answering questions, mike/tonk and ng.com would still doubt we had many unreleased games.

ask away
Chris clearly said he hadn't played the game in a long time nor did he study the game, but he said he was still willing to answer a few questions.

baffled
Chris answers the questions correctly, prompting mike/tonk to start wondering as to how it happened? I think on page 27 till page 31/32, mike/tonk and the others are squirming and trying to figure out how it happened. (if it was a ruse, he would have immediately said chris was busted. But mike/tonk and his toadies were baffled and figured someone was sent chris the rom.

never release the rom / NGF wins
Chris told mike/tonk, that if he answered the questions correctly, he did NOT want mike/tonk to release the roms (a practice we never participate in).
Mike/tonk admits "NGF won" and that "chris played us all." All the while arguing amongst themselves.

mike/tonk had no intentions on releasing anything to the public for free. So to cover his tracks, he now claims it was all a scam.
Truth be told, the game will be released soon, and it will have ZERO to do with mike or anyone from ng.com

NGF release of Last Odyssey
At this point, we are now considering making a full release of Last Odyssey on AES.
www.NeoGeoFreak.com is being updated and will have the big reveal soon.
CGE2012 in Las Vegas this year. Come to the NGF booth and see that we have nothing to hide.

If it was a scam, mike/tonk wouldn't have been pissed and trying to hunt down who shared the roms or answers to the questions to chris for 4 or more pages. But as Chris said, he told mike/tonk to never release the rom. (something mike/tonk and the ng.com members never planned on doing for free anyway). Mike is just back peddling. And no one gave chris the rom or fed him the answers. Chris was making his answers based on memory of briefly playing the game a long time ago, never claiming to be an expert on the game anyway.

I still have doubts that mike/tonk has ever touched an unreleased game.

Neo Developers manual release = Nightmare Tony
The neogeo developers manual was shared by a guy named Nightmare Tony, not mike/tonk. All mike did was give a link to the uploaded manual that NightmareTony provided.

Xian Xi

01-22-2012, 10:32 PM

NGF release of Last Odyssey
At this point, we are now considering making a full release of Last Odyssey on AES.
www.NeoGeoFreak.com is being updated and will have the big reveal soon.
CGE2012 in Las Vegas this year. Come to the NGF booth and see that we have nothing to hide.

I'm awaiting this epic moment in Vegas.

Dion

01-22-2012, 11:08 PM

I'm awaiting this epic moment in Vegas.

Yes, this will be another release in the NGF series.
The last full official and licensed NGF releases were Bang Bead, Bust-a-Move, Diggerman, Irritating Maze, ZedBlade, and the ever popular Zupapa.

We are working out the details on production numbers. (possibly 200 units)
We are considering the insert and if we will do a manual like our other releases or possibly a new type of instruction book.

As I said, NGF came back for a reason. We did transactions with many new neo collectors, sold out most our stock, sold off our flash cart protos, various sketches and other original arts, and many other various collectibles to the next generation to enjoy.

This will not be the only release. There is still more to come.
Details are forthcoming.
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SkyMathematics

01-22-2012, 11:11 PM

I've said it for years, ng.com and their members are very childish.
Chris did NOT get owned. I'll elaborate below.

no matter what
Chris understood that no matter what he would have said in regards to answering questions, mike/tonk and ng.com would still doubt we had many unreleased games.

ask away
Chris clearly said he hadn't played the game in a long time nor did he study the game, but he said he was still willing to answer a few questions.

baffled
Chris answers the questions correctly, prompting mike/tonk to start wondering as to how it happened? I think on page 27 till page 31/32, mike/tonk and the others are squirming and trying to figure out how it happened. (if it was a ruse, he would have immediately said chris was busted. But mike/tonk and his toadies were baffled and figured someone was sent chris the rom.

never release the rom / NGF wins
Chris told mike/tonk, that if he answered the questions correctly, he did NOT want mike/tonk to release the roms (a practice we never participate in).
Mike/tonk admits "NGF won" and that "chris played us all." All the while arguing amongst themselves.

mike/tonk had no intentions on releasing anything to the public for free. So to cover his tracks, he now claims it was all a scam.
Truth be told, the game will be released soon, and it will have ZERO to do with mike or anyone from ng.com

NGF release of Last Odyssey
At this point, we are now considering making a full release of Last Odyssey on AES.
www.NeoGeoFreak.com is being updated and will have the big reveal soon.
CGE2012 in Las Vegas this year. Come to the NGF booth and see that we have nothing to hide.

If it was a scam, mike/tonk wouldn't have been pissed and trying to hunt down who shared the roms or answers to the questions to chris for 4 or more pages. But as Chris said, he told mike/tonk to never release the rom. (something mike/tonk and the ng.com members never planned on doing for free anyway). Mike is just back peddling. And no one gave chris the rom or fed him the answers. Chris was making his answers based on memory of briefly playing the game a long time ago, never claiming to be an expert on the game anyway.

I still have doubts that mike/tonk has ever touched an unreleased game.

Neo Developers manual release = Nightmare Tony
The neogeo developers manual was shared by a guy named Nightmare Tony, not mike/tonk. All mike did was give a link to the uploaded manual that NightmareTony provided.

But, Chris answered made up questions. How do you explain that? The questions were completely made up - they have nothing to do with the game. Nobody is backpedaling - the fallout after Chris answered the questions was intentional. You'll never release any version of Last Odyssey because you don't own it. That would be like me asking you why the Super Game Gear Mega Color was an awesome system, and you answered it. The system does nor exist.

You probably should have read the entire thread instead of making a response based on skimming.

Dion

01-22-2012, 11:23 PM

But, Chris answered made up questions. How do you explain that? The questions were completely made up - they have nothing to do with the game. Nobody is backpedaling - the fallout after Chris answered the questions was intentional. You'll never release any version of Last Odyssey because you don't own it. .

No one was able to answer my question about Blue's Journey from earlier in the week. Chris didn't care what questions would have been asked or what answers he would have given. He clearly stated he hadn't played or studied the game in detail, but was willing to play along and answer a few questions.

Even if he got every answer wrong, that wouldn't establish if he owned the game or not. It would just prove that he didn't study the game and take notes on it. Who cares?
I wouldn't be able to answer questions about KoF2000, backgrounds, music, or anything else. That doesn't mean that I don't own the game.

Anyway, people didn't think we would release Zupapa, Bang Bead, or that we were licensed and authorized from snk, but the truth came out years later.

Our court docs prove we had all the rights to redo the inserts with the NGF brand with permission from snk. The papers also say NGF had the licensed rights to all games, including Bang Busters, Crossed Swords 2, Warlocks of the Fates, etc.... but some people don't want to take SNK-Japan or Playmore's word. Those people live in denial.

I said 8 months ago that Last Odyssey will be released soon. Way before that nonsense at ng.com was started.

www.NeoGeoFreak.com (http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com) unveiling soon.
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Everything we do is all by design.

SkyMathematics

01-22-2012, 11:31 PM

No one was able to answer my question about Blue's Journey from a few weeks ago. Chris didn't care what questions would have been asked or what answers he would have given. He clearly stated he hadn't played or studied the game in detail, but was willing to play along and answer a few questions.

Even if he got every answer wrong, that wouldn't establish if he owned the game or not. It would just prove that he didn't study the game and take notes on it. Who cares? I wouldn't be able to answer questions about KoF2000, backgrounds, music, or anything else. That doesn't mean that I don't own the game.

Anyway, people didn't think we would release Zupapa, Bang Bead, or that we were licensed and authorized from snk, but the truth came out years later.

Our court docs prove we had all the tights to redo the inserts. The papers also say NGF had the licensed rights to all games, including Bang Busters, Crossed Swords 2, Warlocks of the Fates, etc.... but some people don't want to take SNK-Japan or Playmore's word. Those people live in denial.

I said 8 months ago that Last Odyssey will be released soon. Way before that nonsense at ng.com was started.

www.NeoGeoFreak.com (http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com) unveiling soon.
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Everything we do is all by design.

You don't make sense, dude. Nobody believes a word you say. I honestly can't understand how you are even trying to make sense of what Chris did. The ROM is just a joke, nobody has it or has played it, including you. But keep on doing what you do. It's sad that you base your life on shady tactics from a decade ago and live a lie. But, whatever works for you bro. Inkjet inserts are not official. Your Zupapa AES release was a conversion, dunno how that was official.

Dion,if you guy are planning a release of Last Odyssey, why didn't you call anyone out on those questions being fake? I mean, you have the game and could have played it to confirm yourselves? I'm confused. Kinda caught yourself in another lie. Chris, having the game in his possession as you claim, could have simply stated that none of the questions had anything to do with the game. Instead, he tried to answer them, looking like a fool in the process.

Care to explain this one?

Shayne

01-23-2012, 12:22 AM

Hi Dion,

I registered here to ask a few questions and get some information for the collection I've started, and while I'm not an AES collector (while I wait in the hopes other questions I've posed will be answered), I've been curious about an aspect of all this proto talk: as a licensed re-seller and with the authority to produce official packaging, was there a particular reason behind selling any protos you had privately as opposed to making official releases of these titles and turning a higher profit on multiple units (say, a production run of 200) vs. a single proto cart?
I'm curious if there was a plan for timed releases or is/are the unveiling(s) slated for this year by NGF a byproduct of chance and opportunity based on changes with the original buyers you had for these protos?

Earthbound was the only reproduction I ever read up on and bought a copy of, so I find all of this, especially as a newer Neo collector, to be rather interesting.

Thanks!

Dion

01-23-2012, 12:25 AM

Dion,if you guy are planning a release of Last Odyssey, why didn't you call anyone out on those questions being fake? I mean, you have the game and could have played it to confirm yourselves? I'm confused. Kinda caught yourself in another lie. Chris, having the game in his possession as you claim, could have simply stated that none of the questions had anything to do with the game. Instead, he tried to answer them, looking like a fool in the process.

Care to explain this one?

I don't play the games anymore and I wouldn't know if those questions were from Last Odyssey or some other games.

Ask me 5
Why do you think chris all of a sudden asked for 5 questions from mike?? He wanted to give all wrong answers. To us, it was a joke.

Shocked!!
I was at my girlfriends house waiting for her to getting ready for us to go out and chris called me and told me he answered the questions correctly!! We were shocked and laughing when mike/tonk said he answered 3 correctly and missed the two easy ones on purpose cause he didn't want to make it seem like someone gave him the rom. The conspiracy that chris missed two on purpose and that someone shared the rom or answers with him is hilarious and shows desperation.

ng.com still NGF obsessed
I normally don't bother with ng.com, but this past week I've lurked and read that thread with amazement at the amount of obsession that the same 5-6 people STILL have with NGF. That stuff is pure gold.
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Hi Dion,

I registered here to ask a few questions and get some information for the collection I've started, and while I'm not an AES collector (while I wait in the hopes other questions I've posed will be answered), I've been curious about an aspect of all this proto talk: as a licensed re-seller and with the authority to produce official packaging, was there a particular reason behind selling any protos you had privately as opposed to making official releases of these titles and turning a higher profit on multiple units (say, a production run of 200) vs. a single proto cart?
I'm curious if there was a plan for timed releases or is/are the unveiling(s) slated for this year by NGF a byproduct of chance and opportunity based on changes with the original buyers you had for these protos?

Earthbound was the only reproduction I ever read up on and bought a copy of, so I find all of this, especially as a newer Neo collector, to be rather interesting.

Thanks!

Hello Shayne,
Nice to hear from someone with a true neogeo question.
As I don't want to brush off your question, but it has been answered in the ngf history thread.

We did sell unreleased games to certain people many, many years ago.
We sold games such as Ironclad, Ghostlop, Crossed Swords 2, Bang Busters, etc....
Back 10-12 years ago, we sold these unreleased/proto games for a low $1000-$2000 (which was high back then).

Some games we did make into full productions of 200, 300, and 500 cartridge runs. We've always pondered the idea of some future projects and lately we've been working together with other resellers when it comes to making a release and pushing it to market.

Thanks for the questions Feel free to post specific NGF questions in the NGF History thread.
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SkyMathematics

01-23-2012, 01:57 AM

Dion, since you now claim to have had Last Odyssey in your possession the entire time, why not make a gameplay video, proving that the questions were in fact wrong? You can also really showcase an important piece of Neo Geo history at the same time. I don't see this as an unreasonable request.

Just pop the game in and record the footage on your phone. It's pretty simple.

Also, sorry to hear of your divorce.

Juste

01-23-2012, 05:38 AM

I don't get how what TonK did proves anything?

Like Dion said, even if he got every answer wrong, that wouldn't establish if he owned the game or not.

Pannolino

01-23-2012, 06:20 AM

Chris told mike/tonk, that if he answered the questions correctly, he did NOT want mike/tonk to release the roms (a practice we never participate in).
Mike/tonk admits "NGF won" and that "chris played us all." All the while arguing amongst themselves.

mike/tonk had no intentions on releasing anything to the public for free. So to cover his tracks, he now claims it was all a scam.
so you're saying Tonk still has the Proto/Rom of the game?

_SD_

01-23-2012, 09:16 AM

No. TonK doesn't have a Last Odyssey proto cart or even a ROM. Nor do Chris and Dion.

Pannolino

01-23-2012, 09:18 AM

No. TonK doesn't have a Last Odyssey proto cart or even a ROM. Nor do Chris and Dion.

you didn't get the point of my question, but yes, nobody has the game in any form.

SkyMathematics

01-23-2012, 12:19 PM

I don't get how what TonK did proves anything?

Like Dion said, even if he got every answer wrong, that wouldn't establish if he owned the game or not.

I suggest you read everything. Start to finish. That should change your mind. Go back and read a few of my posts. It's really not hard to understand, at all.

LeGIt

01-23-2012, 03:33 PM

Locked due to Neo Crazies.

Take your shit to unmoderated, keep the shitposting and personal politics where it belongs - http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913

The thread is being cleaned of off topic posts and will be unlocked in due course - posts are not being deleted however, merely all the stupid repeated, double and triple posts merged and moved to the unmoderated thread where you can continue with the futility of endlessly going around in circles there.

Also if a question goes unanswered please don't spam until you get a response - I'm sure it will be dealt with as and when there is the time or ability to do so. If it is not answered any time soon, at least have the good grace to give Dion a chance to deal with the backlog before asking him again.

Now that I've separated the wheat from the chaff the thread is actually readable and I can tell what is going on. I'm not going to take sides one way or the other but I will make some of my observations known.

1. Neo Geo fans are crazy
2. Neo Geo fans are CRAZY
3. Dion seems histrionic and people should bear that in mind when dealing with him, but someone has to be and we love or loathe him regardless.
4. Dion attracts equally histrionic people like moths to a flame or flies to shit (I'm not stating, implying or inferring anyone is a fly or like shit) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder)
5. Dion may have done some bad shit and probably some good things too, but to be fair who hasn't? (rhetorical question)
6. This stupid false question quiz trap crap just sounds to me like someone got butthurt and they still haven't learned to grow up, drop it and move on.

More specific to this thread

a) I've bought, owned and resold unreleased and prototype stuff. This probably isn't in dispute but I sure as shit couldn't answer 5 specific questions on them and if I did get them wrong, given as no one else had them at the time, how would anyone have known if I was right? (rhetorical question)

b) If I did show any material of any kind including screencaps, photos or bank statements etc it wouldn't conclusively prove I owned unreleased or prototype items. In fact even with the evidence of stuff I have personally owned I don't think there is anything that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I have ever even owned them... yet I did! If I could prove something, there will always be someing calling BS on it or disbelieving anyway, so what can you do? (rhetorical question)

c) I'm the kind of person where the more you push me for something, the more you just push me away and I'm sure others are the same too. Harassing Dion for proof of something which may not even prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he ever owned them helps no one. If he had things to share I'd be grateful if he did, but it seems to me some Neo crazies will certainly be ungrateful even if he did throw you a bone, but at the end of the day if Dion was a content owner it is perogative what he does or does not do with it and if he is not, given as you do not believe him anyway what difference does it make what he says to you? (rhetorical question)

d) With the above in mind I'm a +1 for Juste's reasons for wanting NGH numbers too but I accept that neither I or the community may know them (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557643&postcount=40)

I'll unlock the thread sometime tomorrow for prototype discussions to recommence. In the meantime play nice, have fun and remember - don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive!

EDIT: Reopened. Now cut the crap and stop going around in circles! There really is no need to turn every thread into a bash Dion thread.

Juste

01-24-2012, 06:57 AM

Dion, you said in your first post:

Our FLASH cartridge was sold
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...t=31913&page=8 (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=8)
04/26/2011
post: 153
The point is moot because we recently sold our only copy (flash memory) of Last Odyssey.

Last Odyssey sold and being released
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums...=31913&page=21 (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=21)
05/09/2011
post 414
FYI, and for the people you're speaking for who may have an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles, Last Odyssey has been sold to someone planning on making a release.

How are you planning a release of the game (by yourself/NGF) if you have sold it (your only copy)?

Pannolino

01-24-2012, 08:19 AM

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 12:20 PM

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 12:38 PM

Dion, you also may have missed this, just making sure you get a chance to respond.

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557316&postcount=32

Dion

01-24-2012, 12:43 PM

How are you planning a release of the game (by yourself/NGF) if you have sold it (your only copy)?

edit for clarity
You guys seem to be reaching now or may not understand some details about how some games are made, and how rom files are shared.

We sold our original FLASH ROM cartridge, that does not mean the game hasn't been backed up. How do you guys think copies of Ghostlop, Ironclad, or Bang Busters were made? Rom to eprom.

So mike/tonk? are you now posting here as skymathematics? are you not man enough to admit or post under your real name? lol
.

wheelaa

01-24-2012, 12:49 PM

Usually when people sell protos they don't retain a copy.
You also stated the buyer is planning a release.
And you are too now? Bet the buyer is happy.
On lemmeguesslol, the buyer wants to release it THROUGH NGF?

As always, your posts are non-answers and BS.

You can't sell what you never had. Well actually YOU can, like any common thief.

Edit Please enough re B2B. The only release of this game had nothing to do with you. Your 'release' doesn't exist until you show proof (which you can't).

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 12:52 PM

You guys seem to be reaching now or may not understand some details.
We sold our original FLASH ROM cartridge, but we also have the game backed up on rom files. How do you guys think copies of Ghostlop, Ironclad, or Bang Busters were made? Rom to eprom.

So mike/tonk? are you now posting here as skymathematics? lol
.

So does that mean you can provide a gameplay video?

Also, if you had the ROM files the entire time, why not take the $20k cash offer?

One more thing - surely you guys would know the questions were made up, having the ROM in your possession, correct?

Dion

01-24-2012, 01:07 PM

So does that mean you can provide a gameplay video?

Also, if you had the ROM files the entire time, why not take the $20k cash offer?

One more thing - surely you guys would know the questions were made up, having the ROM in your possession, correct?

Mike/Tonk? Why do you keep avoiding the question?
I thought you would NEVER post at assembler again?

Anyway, I will not answer any more of your questions because you're turning this into Salem Massachusetts and the witch hunts (or should I say wizard hunts).

Yes we can provide game play, which I already did. I personally recorded Last Odyssey on the NGF promo video tape that we gave out. (you know... the one you guys have been talkig about for 10 years) wow. hilarious.

As for the questions you asked... as I said before, I wouldn't be able to answer any of them. I still couldn't tell you any details about KoF2000 backgrounds or bonus rounds either,

Mike/tonk/skymathematics, feel free to focus your life on Chris, myself, and NGF. feel free to make new alias screen names to attack us some more, while trying to hide your identity. That's your thing, isn't it? That's what you do, right?

I'm done playing cat and mouse with you. You'll never accept anything and you'll always live in denial. So take care and stick to ng.com
.

How are you planning a release of the game (by yourself/NGF) if you have sold it (your only copy)?

Usually when people sell protos they don't retain a copy.
You also stated the buyer is planning a release.
And you are too now? Bet the buyer is happy.

Learn reading comprehension people...
We sold our FLASH ROM cartridge to a collector. He said he wants to do a release.
He's asking advice and wants to work together with NGF on doing a release because the sales would reach a larger market. There are more details than people seem to realize when attempting to make a full release.

people of all nations, dancing together
We have worked together with other sellers in the past to create hype and excitement for advertising and sales. Sometimes we just do provide art, or help with insert/manual designs. We also have plans to work with other neogeo people for more future releases. (people will be shocked on the future news)
.

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 01:25 PM

Mike/Tonk? Why do you keep avoiding the question?
I thought you would NEVER post at assembler again?

Anyway, I will not answer any more of your questions because you're turning this into Salem Massachusetts and the witch hunts (or should I say wizard hunts).

Yes we can provide game play, which I already did. I personally recorded Last Odyssey on the NGF promo video tape that we gave out. (you know... the one you guys have been talkig about for 10 years) wow. hilarious.

As for the questions you asked... as I said before, I wouldn't be able to answer any of them. I still couldn't tell you any details about KoF2000 backgrounds or bonus rounds either,

Mike/tonk/skymathematics, feel free to focus your life on Chris, myself, and NGF. feel free to make new alias screen names to attack us some more, while trying to hide your identity. That's your thing, isn't it? That's what you do, right?

I'm done playing cat and mouse with you. You'll never accept anything and you'll always live in denial. So take care and stick to ng.com
.

Wow, Dion backing down?!?

And resorting to the same tactics as before.

You gracefully said you would answer any on-topic questions, why not now?

There's no cat and mouse - just a lot of unanswered questions and contradictions.

Tell you what, I'll give you $5,000 to release a new gameplay video. I want to see you play stages 6-12.

You get money and don't even have to release the game.

Is your number still the 8401? If you are interested, I'll have the funds allocated today, and set up a conference call for later.

Free money. I know you need the money, seeing as you lost your house and wife.

Ha, you couldn't afford your wife anymore... How's that make you feel, buddy?

Pannolino

01-24-2012, 01:57 PM

Yes we can provide game play, which I already did. I personally recorded Last Odyssey on the NGF promo video tape that we gave out. (you know... the one you guys have been talkig about for 10 years) wow. hilarious.

can you redirect me to that tape?
there's a link you can share?

MottZilla

01-24-2012, 03:01 PM

Clearly someone has it given the clarity of these screenshots. http://www.neogeoprotos.com/games/last_odyssey.htm

About release, wheela asked a good question about you talking about some sort of release. Do you actually still have a license agreement to put out non-SNK Neo-Geo titles? This game is by "Monolith". Really I just would like to see the ROM images preserved by being put online. However that can come about doesn't really matter to me.

Dion

01-24-2012, 04:44 PM

It's always "what can NGF do for us now?
seriously, without NGF, what would most of the ng.com mebers ever be talking about?

Question: Can we provide new video of Last Odyssey?
Answer: Yes.

So what would the new denial be?
That someone sent us ANOTHER video just when we needed it again?

footage came from NGF, from our cartridge
The first time NGF provided video footage of Last Odyssey, a game NO ONE EVER SAW IN ACTION, people like mike/tonk came up with the idea that NGF somehow tracked down video footage just in time when people demanded it. Somehow, somewhere, we just happen to find footage of an unreleased game just to keep the lie going. Do you guys realize how desperate you guys sound for that assumption?

At this point in time.... Chris and myself will no longer respond or give into any more demands and threats about protos, since it seems it's just a witch hunt and used to flaming.

We already shown photos of the proto boards and provided a full length video. There is nothing else that we will do at this point in time. If people want to say we don't have "game X," so be it. I'll say it for you.... we don't have game X. We don't have anything rare or of interest. We don't have arts or other things people have never seen. Is that good enough for you guys?

Here is a question for mike=tonk=skymathematics and others at ng.com
You guys claim you hate NGF so much, so why do you keep talking about us?
Why do you obsess and follow everything Chris or myself does? (creepy right??) lol
Why talk about us by phone, by text message, via email, etc...?

Do you guys at ng.com really want NGF to disappear or is that just something you guys like to say outloud to look kool?

www.NeoGeoFreak.com (http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com)
My work here is done on the subject of Last Odyssey or other unreleased games.
Just keep your eyes on the prize and keep checking www.NeoGeoFreak.com (http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com) for the new unveil.
.

Juste

01-24-2012, 04:58 PM

edit for clarity
You guys seem to be reaching now or may not understand some details about how some games are made, and how rom files are shared.

We sold our original FLASH ROM cartridge, that does not mean the game hasn't been backed up. How do you guys think copies of Ghostlop, Ironclad, or Bang Busters were made? Rom to eprom.

So mike/tonk? are you now posting here as skymathematics? are you not man enough to admit or post under your real name? lol
.

I wasn't reaching, it was just simple question.

Just to clarify, you backed up the game before selling it, so retaining a ROM image (you didn't actually say if you did or not)?

Learn reading comprehension people...
We sold our FLASH ROM cartridge to a collector. He said he wants to do a release.
He's asking advice and wants to work together with NGF on doing a release because the sales would reach a larger market. There are more details than people seem to realize when attempting to make a full release.

But I think how can it reach a larger market if you are only looking at making possibly 200 units (that's what you said)?

Please can you clarify too involvement/connection with B2B? I think wheelaa has asked more than enough times, please answer him.

MottZilla

01-24-2012, 05:04 PM

Mott, all trolling aside, those screen caps have been available for over a decade.

They could have come from the developers as promo material they could have come from a dump.. its just not known.

You are relying on the word of NGF.. :rolleyes: Which has been called into question, I'm putting it mildly for you now.

You misunderstand my post. I was not saying I believe Dion that he has the game. I was just saying that someone out there probably does have the ROM files judging by those pictures that were probably taken in NeoRageX. But I did not know the age of those pictures as you apparently do, so perhaps they were promo shots.

I'm just interested in seeing someone with the rom data upload them for all. But it's not like I spend very much time thinking about this subject or this particular game that I wasn't even aware of till recently. I just think in general it is a good idea to release these to be preserved collectively and enjoyed by anyone that is interested in it.

metallizer

01-24-2012, 05:17 PM

it´s from xacrow.

http://unibios.free.fr/xacrow/neogeo2.html

Notice this is a mirror from 2nd page he build. His previous one had more screenshots.

This is also from at least a decade ago. Ironclad and B2B are available now, some of his games are betas from released titles.

edit:

if you go at the root:

http://unibios.free.fr/xacrow

you can see NGF magazine scans of the unreleased games.

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 05:23 PM

SkyMathematics

01-24-2012, 07:15 PM

Now, everyone here can CLEARLY see how Dion operates.

He got backed into a corner and ran away.

There isn't a person alive that would pass on $5000 to record 6 stages of a game.

But when he can't come up with anymore excuses, he stops responding.

That's how pathetic he is.

It's OK, Dion, you can have your stage back. Continue lying to the good people of this forum.

Yakumo

01-24-2012, 11:25 PM

Question: Can we provide new video of Last Odyssey?
Answer: Yes.
OK, enough of the shit. Less talk, more action. If you can make a video, make it within the next week and post it online and make sure you do it with your face showing along side the game running, ie; use a camera. Do this and you will shut everyone up and be able to look like a right smug git while saying, "I told you so".

Don't post a video and it just shows that you are full of shit. No excuse of, "I don't have a video camera." because you do. Everyone these days has something that can take video. Don't say, "I don't have the time" because if you are a respected business man you'd make time to clear the air.

I have no opinions on you or the people accusing you of shit but I am tired of having to check these bloody threads everyday to make sure the video games world war isn't about to start.

Yakumo

PS: I know when you have read this thread by the way. Records are kept of all visitors and what threads they visit. You probably know this though. So no pretending that you haven't seen this post.

The request is out. If you ignore it you are admitting you are talking shit to the fans of Neo Geo. Not cool at all. If you post a new video then all is fine and we can all be friends again and owe you a massive apology.

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 01:39 AM

Yakumo

01-25-2012, 01:47 AM

No problem :thumbsup:

Dion

01-25-2012, 02:03 AM

OK, enough of the shit. Less talk, more action. If you can make a video, make it within the next week and post it online and make sure you do it with your face showing along side the game running, ie; use a camera. Do this and you will shut everyone up and be able to look like a right smug git while saying, "I told you so".

we knew people would still not believe NGF
You know.... Chris and I knew that even with a new video provided, someone would make a new denial and claim we still didn't have the game. But we were willing to have some fun with it.
So now the Last Odyssey video we were going to provide needs to be done within a week and MUST ALSO HAVE MY FACE (OR CHRIS'S FACE) showing in the video to prove something?? lol. Man, this just get's better and better.

Yakumo

PS: I know when you have read this thread by the way. Records are kept of all visitors and what threads they visit. You probably know this though. So no pretending that you haven't seen this post.

The request is out. If you ignore it you are admitting you are talking shit to the fans of Neo Geo. Not cool at all. If you post a new video then all is fine and we can all be friends again and owe you a massive apology.

2 hours later??
Funny about your claim because I've been away from my computer for quite a while. It is currently 10:53pm PST and I haven't been home or online in I think about 2 hours.

As for your demand of the new video to include chris or myself playing the game.... you'll now be glad to know that we will no longer be supplying a new video of Last Odyssey for anyone. "you must show yourselves playing!!" hahaha That is GOLDEN!!

Learn to be sweet
You guys need to learn that making demands or threats isn't the proper way to get someone to do something. As the old saying goes, "You can catch more flies with honey, than you can with vinegar."

Last Odyssey video is OFF THE TABLE.
Stop asking. Stop making demands to meet a deadline or that the video must show Chris or myself playing the game. We're not providing another Last Odyssey video. The first one we provided shows the game and people can see how it playes.

Next chapter
Video footage of Poolmaster.
Maybe someone will send us the needed video so we can prove we have this game too.
Video that will just magically be found by us after 15 years of being lost.
But "some people" will still doubt we have/had this game for years.

We showed the proto cart and test image picture of the title screen years ago. Now it seems that the rom is out there cause someone recently posted a new title screen image taken directly from NeoRage.

Track down the person who first showed that newly found NeoRage image and see if they will give out/dump the rom for free. Let the next witch hunt begin.
.

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 02:16 AM

we knew people would still not believe NGF
You know.... Chris and I knew that even with a new video provided, someone would make a new denial and claim we still didn't have the game. But we were willing to have some fun with it.
So now the Last Odyssey video we were going to provide needs to be done within a week and MUST ALSO HAVE MY FACE (OR CHRIS'S FACE) showing in the video to prove something?? lol. Man, this just get's better and better.

2 hours later??
Funny about your claim because I've been away from my computer for quite a while. It is currently 10:53pm PST and I haven't been home or online in I think about 2 hours.

As for your demand of the new video to include chris or myself playing the game.... you'll now be glad to know that we will no longer be supplying a new video of Last Odyssey for anyone. "you must show yourselves playing!!" hahaha This is GOLDEN!!

Learn to be sweet
You guys need to learn that making demands or threats isn't the proper way to get someone to do something. As the old saying goes, "You can catch more flies with honey, than you can with vinegar."

Last Odyssey video is now OFF THE TABLE.

But we'll see what we can do to show some game footage of Poolmaster.
We showed the proto carts and title screen years ago.
The rom is out there cause someone recently posted a new title screen image from NeoRage.

Track down the person who first showed that NeoRage image and see if they will give out/dump the rom for free. Let the next witch hunt begin.
.

You are truly a pathetic human being.

I'm happy that the members here can now see through your bullshit and lies.

I even offered a bounty of $5,000 for footage that no sane, honest person would pass on.

You're such a fool, dude.

I'll guarantee that you or Chris will NEVER post a video of Neo Pool Master - EVER. The game doesn't exist, even in ROM form.

But I'm sure you will have some elaborate dodge method to get around showing that as well.

Remember, the Wizard tilts the table.

Dion

01-25-2012, 02:33 AM

You are truly a pathetic human being.

I even offered a bounty of $5,000 for footage that no sane, honest person would pass on.

I'll guarantee that you or Chris will NEVER post a video of Neo Pool Master - EVER. The game doesn't exist, even in ROM form.

Remember, the Wizard tilts the table.

Dude, you would NEVER pay.
Maybe if you offered $500 or maybe $700 it would have sounded more believable.

Come play the game
Instead of your bs about paying $5000 to see some video, why don't you take a cheap airline ticket to Colorado and visit Chris and play the game in person? Let us know so I can be there too.

Video proof will be provided
We video tape YOU and YOUR ID/driver's license proving it's really you playing the game.

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us.
AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played.
One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.
I guarantee it will hurt you (and your feelings).

Plane ticket won't cost but $100-$150.
How about it?

This can be epic!!
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!

NGF IN FULL TILT!!!
.

Bad_Ad84

01-25-2012, 02:35 AM

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us. AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played. One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.

To be fair, your terms did make me actually lol

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 02:48 AM

Dude, you would NEVER pay.
Maybe if you offered $500 or maybe $700 it would have sounded more believable.

Come play the game
Instead of your bs about paying $5000 to see some video, why don't you take a cheap airline ticket to Colorado and visit Chris and play the game in person? Let us know so I can be there too.

Video proof will be provided
We video tape YOU and YOUR ID/driver's license proving it's really you playing the game.

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us.
AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played.
One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.
I guarantee it will hurt you (and your feelings).

Plane ticket won't cost but $100-$150.
How about it?

This can be epic!!
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!

NGF IN FULL TILT!!!
.

I'll meet you halfway then, crybaby.

How's $1,000 sound?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/tonkdigital/78b5e5e6.jpg

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 02:52 AM

Dude, you would NEVER pay.
Maybe if you offered $500 or maybe $700 it would have sounded more believable.

Come play the game
Instead of your bs about paying $5000 to see some video, why don't you take a cheap airline ticket to Colorado and visit Chris and play the game in person? Let us know so I can be there too.

Video proof will be provided
We video tape YOU and YOUR ID/driver's license proving it's really you playing the game.

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us.
AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played.
One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.
I guarantee it will hurt you (and your feelings).

Plane ticket won't cost but $100-$150.
How about it?

This can be epic!!
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!

NGF IN FULL TILT!!!
.

Now you're threatening people 'cause you got played?

Sounds like a man who got his feelings hurt.

Tell you what, you show me a video of one of you plating stages 6-12 like I asked, I'll bring you the $1,000 in person. And LET you slap me in the face.

How's that sound? It's even better than your offer.

That way, I know I'm not coming out there for no reason.

Dion

01-25-2012, 03:03 AM

Now you're threatening people 'cause you got played?

Sounds like a man who got his feelings hurt.

Tell you what, you show me a video of one of you plating stages 6-12 like I asked, I'll bring you the $1,000 in person. And LET you slap me in the face.

How's that sound? It's even better than your offer.

That way, I know I'm not coming out there for no reason.

It's not a threat, I'm making a bet.
I just want to video tape you deleting all your posts and video tape you being slapped in the face. At the same time, we can give all the neo fans new footage of Last Odyssey.

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us.
AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played.
One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.
I guarantee it will hurt you (and your feelings).

Plane ticket won't cost but $100-$150.
Why offer $1000 or $5000?
Spend $150 and come visit Colorado. If you prefer.... come to Vegas. lol
You'll get to meet Chris and myself, we'll show you tons of rare neogeo items, you'll get to play Last Odyssey and Poolmaster.... and I get to slap you in the face. And people will see new video of Last Odyssey. It's win win for everyone.

How about it?

This can be epic!!
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!

NGF IN FULL TILT!!!

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 03:10 AM

It's not a threat, I'm making a bet.
I just want to video tape you deleting all your posts and video tape you being slapped in the face. At the same time, we can give all the neo fans new footage of Last Odyssey.

Bet
At chris's house you go online and delete every obsessive thing you posted about us.
AND..... you let me slap you right in the face on camera to prove you got played.
One slap. Open handed. I won't even reach back or give a full swing.
I guarantee it will hurt you (and your feelings).

Plane ticket won't cost but $100-$150.
Why offer $1000 or $5000?
Spend $150 and come visit Colorado. If you prefer.... come to Vegas. lol
You'll get to meet Chris and myself, we'll show you tons of rare neogeo items, you'll get to play Last Odyssey and Poolmaster.... and I get to slap you in the face. And people will see new video of Last Odyssey. It's win win for everyone.

How about it?

This can be epic!!
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!

NGF IN FULL TILT!!!

You think I'm scared of you or something?

Show me a video of either one of you playing stages 6-12 and I will bring you $1000 and come to your house in Vegas.

I mean, you refuse to show any visual evidence of the game in question, only a fool would take you up on your childish bet.

But if there were some visual proof that you did, indeed have the game, I'd take you up on your bet. No questions asked.

That would mean the game is in your possession and I'd have a chance to play it.

Other than that, no bet.

I mean, you have a chance to get me out to your place, yet you refuse to provide any indication that you have the game.

You know how stupid you sound?

No proof, no bet.

Yeah, I'm gonna fly halfway around the country to go see a game that neither of you have.

Dion

01-25-2012, 03:31 AM

You think I'm scared of you or something?

Show me a video of either one of you playing stages 6-12 and I will bring you $1000 and come to your house in Vegas.

But if there were some visual proof that you did, indeed have the game, I'd take you up on your bet. No questions asked.

That would mean the game is in your possession and I'd have a chance to play it.

Other than that, no bet.

I mean, you have a chance to get me out to your place, yet you refuse to provide any indication that you have the game.

No proof, no bet.

Typical.
You're a welsher and a 100% COWARD!!

People are contacting me laughing and saying this is childish, yet funny, but mainly laughing at me calling you out, and you staying safe in your bedroom.

Many, many people have met Chris and myself.
Many from ng.com (almost everyone that has a serious collection and that has been around for more than 6 years). They were'nt afraid of anything. Many people even came to the CGE shows we did for years in a row.

YOU are one of the only long time members to always talk loud, but never back yourself up when the time comes. Always acting tuff, but secretly hiding your fears.

YOU'RE A COWARD!!!
People see that now.

YOU could help give the people new video footage of Last Odyssey, but you're too much of a coward!
Why are you so afraid of one slap? Or do you fear meeting Chris or myself face to face?? I think you're afraid of something.

oh... you're afraid of us Wizards right? We tilt tables.
(my new favorite saying)

12:40am pst - I'm going to bed.
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!!!
Spend $150, fly to Colorado, play Last Odyssey, and let me slap you in the face to prove you got played.
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!!
You claim you get things done..... so do this and get new footage of Last Odyssey released.
It'll only cost you $150 and one big slap in the face, by me (no one else).
.

wheelaa

01-25-2012, 05:00 AM

Golden turn of events. Just when my love for this place was on the wane too.

Skymath - send me $1000 if you like and I'll fly out to Vegas (I'm in the UK so flights won't be $150 lol). I'll take a slap for you. Hell I'd even give dickhead free rein to try and knock me out lol.

Gold....

Yakumo

01-25-2012, 05:55 AM

2 hours later??
Funny about your claim because I've been away from my computer for quite a while. It is currently 10:53pm PST and I haven't been home or online in I think about 2 hours.
So fucking what, you smug bastard. What's your point there? NONE, that's what. dumb ass. I didn't say you were or were not on line at the time of writing. I said I would know If you had read the message. Don't try and twist my words. I'm not some teenager here for a trolling contest.

Dion, you are full of shit. I've met your type before many a time in my life. There's no way to deal with someone like you because you just can't tell the truth.

You had a chance to prove you were right. You had the chance to make EVERYONE look like a right fuckwit and what did you do? Spout more shit.

Everyone, don't waste your time. We know what we know and we know we are right. Let's just leave it at that.

As for your demand of the new video to include chris or myself playing the game.... you'll now be glad to know that we will no longer be supplying a new video of Last Odyssey for anyone. "you must show yourselves playing!!" hahaha That is GOLDEN!!Like we care. There wasn't going to be a video anyway.

bearkilla

01-25-2012, 06:08 AM

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MoonDog

01-25-2012, 06:09 AM

So fucking what, you smug bastard. What's your point there? NONE, that's what. dumb ass.

Dion, you are full of shit. I've met your type before many a time in my life. There's no way to deal with someone like you because you just can't tell the truth.

You had a chance to prove you were right. You had the chance to make EVERYONE look like a right fuckwit and what did you do? Spout more shit.

Everyone, don't waste your time. We know what we know and we know we are right. Let's just leave it at that.

Like we care. There wasn't going to be a video anyway.

This. Seriously, I think everyone is already aware that Dion has serious mental issues. I'm by no means a hardcore NG collector or enthusiast but lately this has gotten exceedingly ludicrous.

Juste

01-25-2012, 06:13 AM

Dion, you were going to release a new video, but because Yakumo spoke out your not going to do that now?

You always choose not to help in the end. I think no matter what it is, there is always something in the way.

You only wan't to promote yourself/NGF, and I guess that's what you meant by saying your work is done here, because you have done nothing else.

Just leave if you are not going to change.

DarthCloud

01-25-2012, 08:55 AM

Typical.
You're a welsher and a 100% COWARD!!

....

YOU'RE A COWARD!!!
People see that now.

...

lol seriously, you just received an official challenge from a respected moderator of the forum. But you ran away like you always did.

No one can trust your word.

The only COWARD I see here is you.

Bad_Ad84

01-25-2012, 09:11 AM

Its also welcher

:(

Trenton_net

01-25-2012, 10:52 AM

I dunno about the rest of you, but for $5,000 + the chance to gloat, I'd be recording a video even before you finish making the offer.

If for some reason I ever come across such a prototype, feel free to throw money balls at me. I'll take photos, videos, whatever you want. (^_^);

Core

01-25-2012, 12:14 PM

Seriously, you just received an official challenge from a respected moderator of the forum. But you ran away like you always did.

This, in all honesty.

I was speaking to dion about this two days ago. I don't understand why making a new, updated video to put all the naysayers to rest is such a task.
Even if it was not about proving yourself it would still be a valid thing to do as the quality of the O.G. video is a victim of the times.

I was away for the majority of this drama but I have read a bit and mikes/tonks mission seemed redundant and weak at best in the begining and chris was fairing fine but now dion is the one making things look worse.

The thing with dion is that he always demands that people sugarcoat their requests and never makes a demand of him. then when things do not go that way he plays the defensive card. The same cycle has always ensued over the last decade. However, lets not act like it's all natural and none of this is planned.

A person must realize and accept that when they make claims that they will be called to task to back up, validate and prove said claims with (more than) sufficient evidence. dion himself has always spouted things like "rising to the occasion". etc but you can't claim such things in order to peddle your wares and inflate your ego and then shy away when it comes time to back up claims that you make (and essentially throw in other peoples faces).

In the end though, dion has said it all before: that everything he and chris have done was planned and for a reason (not that I am recommending that anyone take that all at face value, but it is worth noting). So using common sense anyone can determine that by not providing what people ask for (in this case, updated video as proof of ownership of certain prototype games) and keeping the whole shit storm going he is keeping the fee publicity & hype going. He is keeping is detractors working to keep his name alive and not become forgotten, something that an egotist & narcisist (a personality role that dion himself has proudly expressed playing in all of this) would never want to happen to them.

SkyMathematics

01-25-2012, 12:15 PM

Typical.
You're a welsher and a 100% COWARD!!

People are contacting me laughing and saying this is childish, yet funny, but mainly laughing at me calling you out, and you staying safe in your bedroom.

Many, many people have met Chris and myself.
Many from ng.com (almost everyone that has a serious collection and that has been around for more than 6 years). They were'nt afraid of anything. Many people even came to the CGE shows we did for years in a row.

YOU are one of the only long time members to always talk loud, but never back yourself up when the time comes. Always acting tuff, but secretly hiding your fears.

YOU'RE A COWARD!!!
People see that now.

YOU could help give the people new video footage of Last Odyssey, but you're too much of a coward!
Why are you so afraid of one slap? Or do you fear meeting Chris or myself face to face?? I think you're afraid of something.

oh... you're afraid of us Wizards right? We tilt tables.
(my new favorite saying)

12:40am pst - I'm going to bed.
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!!!
Spend $150, fly to Colorado, play Last Odyssey, and let me slap you in the face to prove you got played.
PLEASE DON'T BACK DOWN!!!
You claim you get things done..... so do this and get new footage of Last Odyssey released.
It'll only cost you $150 and one big slap in the face, by me (no one else).
.

Only thing you proved is how mentally unstable you are.

Thanks!

Little bastard child storming around - did you punch the wall in frustration, bitch?

You lost your house, your wife, and now every last ounce of credibility you may have had left.

You're a compulsive liar, a thief, a failure and an old man.

You go around the Internet, posting pictures of yourself and your possessions, but can't record a gameplay video?

Better yet, the lies you spew about why you can't, prove how mentally unstable you are.

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