View Full Version : Why is there no Amiga thread?
Just curious, but why is there not a Amiga thread on these forums?
Jamtex
09-18-2011, 03:22 PM
probably the same reason why there is no Atari thread as there are other websites that cover them much better.
GodofHardcore
09-18-2011, 03:44 PM
I need to get a decent amiga emulator so I can start covering it's game on Retrocade
Jamtex
09-18-2011, 04:26 PM
That's a bit like driving in a kit car that looks like a more expensive sports car and pretending you are gettting the same feel of the car...
Calpis
09-18-2011, 04:48 PM
Maybe because this board is console-centric and Amiga isn't a console?
Hedgeyourbets
09-18-2011, 04:58 PM
Nor are computers but there is a computer support forum :P
GodofHardcore
09-18-2011, 06:46 PM
That's a bit like driving in a kit car that looks like a more expensive sports car and pretending you are gettting the same feel of the car...
FINE I'll get one of these
http://www.lotsoloot.com/post/The-Commodore-64-Returns.aspx
Hedgeyourbets
09-18-2011, 07:12 PM
FINE I'll get one of these
http://www.lotsoloot.com/post/The-Commodore-64-Returns.aspx
Lets hope the chips on the board aren't as easily fried as in the original commodore 64
Maybe because this board is console-centric and Amiga isn't a console?
It is a games console sort of. Well, the 500 is the closest :-P
Thanks for the information though everyone.
7Force
09-19-2011, 01:49 AM
FINE I'll get one of these
http://www.lotsoloot.com/post/The-Commodore-64-Returns.aspx
You know that a C64 is not the same thing as an Amiga, right? :-P
WolverineDK
09-19-2011, 02:04 PM
I need to get a decent amiga emulator so I can start covering it's game on Retrocade
UAE/Win UAE is probably the best Amiga Emulator out there.
GodofHardcore
09-19-2011, 02:12 PM
You know that a C64 is not the same thing as an Amiga, right? :-P
Same Company :P I couldn't find the Amiga PC
WolverineDK
09-19-2011, 02:23 PM
Same Company :P I couldn't find the Amiga PC
Actually that is untrue, Amiga was just bought up by Commodore, and well why is there no Amiga PC ? Because the Amiga is a PC ! And if I recall correctly, then there was even a PCB card for the Amiga that had a PC in or something along the lines to make it even DOS compatible, but please do not hang me up upon it.
Shakey_Jake33
09-19-2011, 02:36 PM
Same Company :P I couldn't find the Amiga PC
Americans eh? :-P That's like saying the Dreamcast is the same as the Saturn!
But yeah, the likes of the Amiga, Atari ST etc. have little presence here mostly because the board is console-centric, but also because I assume there's less of a 'scene' on the other side of the pond.
But yeah, WinUAE is regarded as the best Amiga emulator, I believe it is even used by todays Amiga Inc. themselves.
Borman
09-19-2011, 03:02 PM
I really want an Amiga for Frontier Elite II :|
karsten
09-19-2011, 04:54 PM
i think the reason is that the forum is mostly usa-jap based and amiga was almost a zero outside europe...
XerdoPwerko
09-19-2011, 06:33 PM
I loved that machine when I saw it for the first time (I was 11 or so), and I never saw one again until many, many years later.
I still wish I could have one.
It is, indeed, impossible to obtain in many territories. Maybe that's why.
i think the reason is that the forum is mostly usa-jap based and amiga was almost a zero outside europe...
I think ASSEMbler should add the thread anyway.
Even just a Commodore thread to cover all aspects of there product line.
I would rather post help and stuff here then sign up for another forum :banghead:
GodofHardcore
09-19-2011, 07:04 PM
Americans eh? :-P That's like saying the Dreamcast is the same as the Saturn!
But yeah, the likes of the Amiga, Atari ST etc. have little presence here mostly because the board is console-centric, but also because I assume there's less of a 'scene' on the other side of the pond.
But yeah, WinUAE is regarded as the best Amiga emulator, I believe it is even used by todays Amiga Inc. themselves.
I don't even know what an Amiga looks like
I don't even know what an Amiga looks like
It is really amazing at what Google can do...
This is the Amiga 1000
http://oldcomputers.net/pics/A1000.jpg
GodofHardcore
09-19-2011, 09:54 PM
Looks like an old school Mac
WolverineDK
09-20-2011, 12:37 AM
Looks like an old school Mac
Try searching Amiga 500, 500+, 2000 and so forth. Or just search for the Amiga computer on wikipedia.
Shakey_Jake33
09-20-2011, 03:01 AM
Looks like an old school Mac
The Amiga 1200 is generally regarded as the Amiga of choice. Released in 1992, it was an enhanced 32-bit variant intended to be competition to rise of consoles, as well as the PC. It was successful in it's own way, but too little too late to compete with the MegaDrive and Snes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_1200
The Amiga still exists in some form, albeit as a PowerPC-based piece of hardware with no relation to the original hardware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000
HEX1GON
09-20-2011, 03:20 AM
Nor are computers but there is a computer support forum :P
Computer support, some devkits use PCs.. So It's kinda linked in a way.
Seems as if the so called not needed Amiga thread is popular :-P
I do not understand why the Amiga failed and did not take off. MS-DOS sucks compared to what it could do at the time...
Hellcat
09-20-2011, 04:25 AM
I really want an Amiga for Frontier Elite II :|
Got a small stash of A1200s left from our recent "rescue mission"....
http://oldcomputers.net/pics/A1000.jpg
Ohhh, the good ol' A1000.... <3
After a long time of wanting one I finally own one my own :D Even still in original packaging \o/
My "main use" Amiga is a tuned up A1200 with lots of powerups and addons built into a tower case and my original Amiga (the one I bought new back in '93) with a 030/50 accel. board.
They all still work like a charm and are great fun using and playing the good ol' games on them.
// EDIT
I'd be all for an Amiga (or better a more generic Commodore) section here and would totally post there :D
alecjahn
09-20-2011, 05:37 AM
What about the CD32?
And don't say "It's just a computer in a different box". Because really, that's what all consoles are. Especially the Xbox, a damned PIII with a GeForce!
We also regularly mention/cover the x68000 and PC-98!
the Xbox, a damned PIII with a GeForce!
:lol: haha, true...
I'd be all for an Amiga (or better a more generic Commodore) section here and would totally post there :D
WE NEED AN AMIGA THREAD ASSEMbler :crying:
Shakey_Jake33
09-20-2011, 05:45 AM
Whilst we're all talking about the Amiga, I always felt the Amiga port of WipEout 2097 looked very impressive. Admittedly it's running on a souped-up machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OkvNlBXgE
(Shame about the music on the video - why do people replace the music rather than keeping the game sound?!)
Calpis
09-20-2011, 05:47 AM
Maybe if CD32 games weren't just A1200 games played with a controller.
There are still consoles unrepresented by forums, albeit pretty bad ones. Is it really necessary to include a computer? Do we really need any more forums? I think there are too many as-is to check. Maybe the console forums should be merged by brand (instead of 3 Sega forums, 2 Microsoft), then computer gaming should have a forum to catch C64/PC/MSX/PC-98/Amiga/X68000/FM Towns etc.
Bad_Ad84
09-20-2011, 05:53 AM
CD32 was still a console though, regardless of what games it was playing.
Agree on the layout change :)
Maybe the console forums should be merged by brand (instead of 3 Sega forums, 2 Microsoft), then computer gaming should have a forum to catch C64/PC/MSX/PC-98/Amiga/X68000/FM Towns etc.
Sub forums should be categorised.
EG:
Sony > PlayStation 1
PlayStation 2
PlayStation 3
PSP
Vita
...
Commodore > Amiga 500
Amiga 1000
...
Microsoft > Xbox
Xbox 360
...
Maybe even more sub categories?
Sony > PlayStation 1 > Games, Hacks and Mods and a Development topic
PlayStation 2 > Games, Hacks and Mods and a Development topic
Should be easy for ASSEMbler to do. Will just take a long time :-P
Be sure to back it up before you touch it though...
Apart from that,
I like the music on the Amiga. Then again, I think everyone does.
Crystal Hammer,
PHENOMENS's MusicDream I and II,
Captive (intro),
Jester - Elysium,
Arcane,
Elfmania Waterfall...
Hellcat
09-20-2011, 06:19 AM
I don't think we need THAT much subforums/-sections.
A general Amiga (or as said, even more general Commodore) one would totally suffice - doubt there is THAT much talk that we'd need subforums for each model ;)
About the WipeOut 2097 port: yeah, it's pretty amazing, really try to get it running on my "bigrig" again....
LeGIt
09-20-2011, 06:52 AM
More subcategories = more people not posting in correct category = more headache for mods having to move everything and then when there is an ambiguous post eugh. Also some subforums may be more popular than others which makes an active forum look dead. With that said I'm all for more subforums, but in reality without 100 moderators it is not very practical for people to manage without making it a full time job - for example now this thread is more of a site request instead of an off topic pondering so I have to move it.
Even though Amiga was mostly shit (many of the good games were multiplatform anyway) there is nothing stopping anyone talking about Amiga in this thread or wherever it is relevant, but as other people have stated such discussions can be better had elsewhere.
Tatsujin
09-20-2011, 06:57 AM
Lol, just open a thread. Why ask for it first? :lol:
mooseblaster
09-20-2011, 07:24 AM
Even though Amiga was mostly shit (many of the good games were multiplatform anyway)
You're officially off my Christmas card list! :P It's all right, I wouldn't expect a heathen such as yourself to understand how godly the Amiga was in the late 80s and early 90s.
Despite what Atari & PC obsessives say, for a long period of time it blew the socks off other home machines. Many of the games have maintained their playability value to this day and tended to be superior in both graphics, sound and framerate. The 1985 technology in the systems was revolutionary, outpacing everyone. However, when Commodore died in 1994 the console market was starting to stifle them, and by the late 1990s PCs had finally caught up. The companies that purchased Amiga didn't really do much in terms of development, instead focusing on classic machines and killing themselves before getting an opportunity to do something exciting with the platform.
If Amiga had the funding and development pace, especially during the critical computer boom years of the late 90s, I could easily imagine Amiga being where Apple is now - you look at the prototypes they were working on and can see the potential. Instead, it languishes forgotten with only diehard fans and TV stations keeping it alive.
The CD32 was DOA in part due to the death of Commodore, as well as several poor ports that didn't make the most of CD technology (of course, until the late 90s, who did?) and a few bad decisions. If Commodore hadn't died, who knows where we could have been now?
I would say 'yes, I'd like to see a Commodore section', but probably not endless sub-categories for the individual systems - there just aren't enough interesting obscure or rare things in Commodore's universe to make that much work.
Even though Amiga was mostly shit
lolwat?
LeGIt
09-20-2011, 07:49 AM
lol mooseblaster my first machine was a Commodore 64 + tape deck and I moved onto having the use of an Amiga before getting into consoles and IMO Amiga is only interesting from a technical perspective. It did have good games but they were ported elsewhere which left the software library as nothing special. Most of the games were forgettable, same for any system I guess but other systems have a better good to bad game ratio ;)
Shakey_Jake33
09-20-2011, 07:51 AM
From a pure gaming perspective, the Amiga was unlucky to have launched when consoles finally started gaining real traction as technical powerhouses (relatively speaking), not to mention the rise of Japanese developed titles in the west.
Bad_Ad84
09-20-2011, 08:28 AM
The Amiga had great games imo.
Often having the best of all the ports to other systems.
Shakey_Jake33
09-20-2011, 08:45 AM
There's definately plenty that were better on the Amiga. Any game by Sensible Software or Team 17 for one thing.
Consumed
09-20-2011, 10:36 AM
I thought 'Digitiser' put this question to bed 15 or more years ago. The Amiga in all its forms, guises and rebrands was shit, is shit and will always be shit.
As it ever was though, the main topic question itself shows how insecure your average Amiga fanboy is, it's not so much ''why is there no Amiga thread'' as ''how dare you have the audacity not to have an Amiga thread''. Bunch of cunts the lot of 'em :nod:
WolverineDK
09-20-2011, 10:50 AM
The Amiga had great games imo.
Often having the best of all the ports to other systems.
Space Crusade on Amiga rocked BIG time. New Zealand Story on the Amiga was great too, Secret Of Monkey Island was wonderful too. the SSI RPGs were the best on Amiga, back then the PC versions were shit, on the Amiga they were the bomb. It was first when the GUS/Gravis Ultra Sound came to the PC, the sound really was on par with the Amiga. And I could probably go on about why I loved the Amiga, hell I even have a dead Amiga 500 in my small collection of computer stuff. And yes I voted yes, also I am opting for being a moderator for the thread/section of the Amiga. Cause I am pretty infamous of keeping the most annoying elements away, basically I am a great deterrent.
alecjahn
09-20-2011, 10:59 AM
Okay. Why not just solve the "problem" with a "Retro (yeah, I hate that word, sometimes) Computer" forum? I don't think any particular brand-specific subforum is going to have enough traffic to justify it in this case.
But what do I know? Absolutely nothing about Amiga, and very little about Commodore.
karsten
09-20-2011, 11:25 AM
legit shocked me! *_*
7Force
09-20-2011, 11:48 AM
I do not understand why the Amiga failed and did not take off. MS-DOS sucks compared to what it could do at the time...
I wouldn't say the Amiga failed, it was very popular in Europe for several years until competition from 16-bit consoles and Commodore's bad business moves (the CDTV, the CD32, not having enough support for AGA) killed it off, along with the concept of the "home computer".
Jamtex
09-20-2011, 11:54 AM
If we get an Amiga forum then I demand a Japanese computer forum for the MSX, Sharp X1, MZ-700, X68000, NEC PC-9801, Fujitsu FM Towns, FM-7, Sord M5, etc...
WolverineDK
09-20-2011, 12:25 PM
If we get an Amiga forum then I demand a Japanese computer forum for the MSX, Sharp X1, MZ-700, X68000, NEC PC-9801, Fujitsu FM Towns, FM-7, Sord M5, etc...
Hell we can make a compromise, with the X68000, cause its CPU was the same type of processor as the Amiga, so would you accept the X68000 having a sub category in the Amiga section ?
Tomcat
09-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Commodore Section rather then an Amiga section.
Had an A1200 back in the day, loved it. Sensible Software were gods. The orginal Cannon Fodder was by far the best version, if nothing else the title music "War has never been so much fun".
Shakey_Jake33
09-20-2011, 12:50 PM
I would vote for a general 'Home Computer' section for the likes of the Amiga, C64, Atari ST etc. just to guage how active such a section would be. If it is active enough to jusify separating them or intruducing sub-forums, then that could be considered later.
Borman
09-20-2011, 12:53 PM
Got a small stash of A1200s left from our recent "rescue mission"....
Probably overseas though, no? :P
Tatsujin
09-20-2011, 01:02 PM
The Amiga had great games imo.
Often having the best of all the ports to other systems.
As long you do not talk about ports of Japanese Arcade games, then I may can partly agree with your statement :)
Twimfy
09-20-2011, 01:57 PM
I had an Amiga 600 before I had a Mega Drive. Best. Console/Computer. Ever.
mooseblaster
09-20-2011, 02:58 PM
I would vote for a general 'Home Computer' section for the likes of the Amiga, C64, Atari ST etc. just to guage how active such a section would be.
Actually, I change my vote too. A home computer section might be nice, and may be more actively used than a pure Commodore section. :)
Hmm... Just make a Commodore thread. Covers it all. Problem solved.
Nyan cat for the Amiga anyone? :-P
Yakumo
09-20-2011, 11:32 PM
I vote NO. This is a console based forum. The only reason we have a PC section is for members who have trouble with their systems. People with Macs also post in there. The Amiga doesn't really belong to this forum. If we aded the Amiga then we'd have to add the ST and so on.
Yakumo
Borman
09-20-2011, 11:59 PM
Why not just have one section for them all? Better than nothing. Obscure gaming is obscure gaming, no matter the presentation in my opinion.
Why not just have one section for them all? Better than nothing. Obscure gaming is obscure gaming, no matter the presentation in my opinion.
Agreed. Even with Yakumo's concern, a total thread to cover all aspects of the computing / consoles would be more organised.
Even adding a separate Atari and Commodore thread would be fine as I mentioned above. These forums are quite popular, and have members from many other forums.
Anyway, I better stop posting over and over because all of my replies are repetitive now.
Hellcat
09-21-2011, 04:39 AM
Probably overseas though, no? :P
Yeah, Germany....
Nyan cat for the Amiga anyone? :-P
OMG.... must.... resist.... to dig out compiler stuff....
Borman
09-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Yeah, Germany....
OMG.... must.... resist.... to dig out compiler stuff....
:( Attach it to a bird and hope it gets here? Hah
Yakumo
09-21-2011, 07:40 PM
OK, a section to computer gaming for all formats such as C64, Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, ST, Amiga, MSX and so on. I don't think we need a separate section for each at all. We'll have to see what ASSEMbler thinks though.
Yakumo
Borman
09-21-2011, 08:13 PM
Yep, exactly that Yakumo. I dont see it becoming a runaway hit, but I certainly have my questions that I'd like answered about some Amiga hah.
ASSEMbler
09-22-2011, 02:04 AM
Out of nearly 500,000 posts, 33 had amiga in the subject line.
Out of nearly 500,000 posts, 33 had amiga in the subject line.
There would be more, if there was a thread for it ;-)
Bad_Ad84
09-22-2011, 02:20 AM
Surely you would go by threads not posts. Also, as theres no forum for it - its not going to be discussed much.
But I would still go with the "catch all" generic "other" forum rather than a dedicated one.
Hellcat
09-22-2011, 05:29 AM
Why not just try it the other way round - talk so much Amiga in the "Genral Gametalk" (or other fitting areas) that Assembler wants to confine us into our own section :D
Calpis
09-22-2011, 07:18 AM
So there are 562 posts containing the word Amiga out of 496,416, vs 761 for "FM Towns". That might say something. Also don't forget that the brand specific forums are supposedly for topics regarding development.
Look. This is getting repetitive again...
Lets just get a 'Generic Computing' thread, or a Commodore thread.
Think of it this way. You will increase site traffic.
Bad_Ad84
09-22-2011, 07:50 AM
Also don't forget that the brand specific forums are supposedly for topics regarding development.
I actually didnt even notice that.... oops.
Hedgeyourbets
09-22-2011, 07:15 PM
So there are 562 posts containing the word Amiga out of 496,416, vs 761 for "FM Towns". That might say something. Also don't forget that the brand specific forums are supposedly for topics regarding development.
LeGIt moved one of my posts which had nothing to do with development to the dreamcast development forum and told me to "ignore the developent bit" So I always assumed that those forums had become just for general discussion specific to that platform.
Calpis
09-22-2011, 09:52 PM
OK, welllll, that's what they were there for. Actual development threads are pretty sleepy so the forums catch whatever technical discussion. It's just like how this site is the "home of the obscure", but really the userbase ultimately decides.
dutchconsolefreak
01-14-2012, 04:32 PM
I'm in favor of a commodore forum. It is clear that both the c64 and amiga are game consoles in disguise, and their hardware and games back that up. It is unbelievable that anyone would even dare to compare the amiga with consoles from the same era (that would be the nes for example).
The truth is, the amiga hardware was so far ahead of its time, few people could even begin to understand what the possibilities were.
I'm in favor of a commodore forum. It is clear that both the c64 and amiga are game consoles in disguise, and their hardware and games back that up. It is unbelievable that anyone would even dare to compare the amiga with consoles from the same era (that would be the nes for example).
The truth is, the amiga hardware was so far ahead of its time, few people could even begin to understand what the possibilities were.
+ infinity
Cyantist
01-15-2012, 07:22 PM
The truth is, the amiga hardware was so far ahead of its time, few people could even begin to understand what the possibilities were.
Some of the demo's are really nice!
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