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retro

05-02-2011, 12:39 PM

The sad thing is if Dion did post the document he can't the Neo Geo collectors would still find a bone to pick.

Absolutely. As I said, they're looking like obsessive fanatics, and he's coming across as a rational person. It's hilarious that they don't see that.

I'm not ignoring anything. I've seen the press release. I get it. I wasnt even making the argument that they didn't have the rights... Come on, dude. Please read my posts more carefully.

I, and others, want to know the rest of the settlement terms, so speak for yourself as to what is important and what isn't. And stop arguing to me that they posted the settlement. Dion posted right above yours (again) repeating that it hasn't been disclosed, and it appears probably won't. That Playmore press release is a totally different thing than the Settlement and Release Agreement, although its obvious they are related to the same suit.

Why, though? What was mentioned in the press release is all that is important. We know from the outcome of the case that NGF were forbidden from selling fake items, but a specific list of items were returned and they were allowed to sell them. What does the rest matter, really?

If you really want to see them, why not pay the money and get the documents? Hell, you could probably have a whip-round on your precious forum and get everyone to chip in. As for being so busy that it's not possible, I find it funny in that case that you have the time to argue about it on the Internet. Surely you could be using this time to look up the relevant documents?

If you read the documents I posted, you'll see that there really WAS information sealed in the earlier stage of the case, so I don't see why Dion's claim that the settlement was sealed couldn't be true.

It's just another area where Neo Geo fans will show how anal and obsessive they are, and will waste time arguing over. The funniest one for me was the video - someone was really such a sad cunt that they sat there freeze framing a video and analyzing it to determine that a photo someone took was EXACTLY the same as a particular frame in a video? Shit, get a life you sad twats! My initial thought was that, if Dion had the prototype as claimed, surely he could have been the one who made and released the video? He's said before that he used to give away demos on VHS. And, sure enough, Dion mentioned in this topic that he was the one who made the video!

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4444/arguingontheinternetw.jpg

Buyatari

05-02-2011, 12:42 PM

The sad thing is if Dion did post the document he can't the Neo Geo collectors would still find a bone to pick.

This is true. From the looks of it so far what they are really mad about might boil down to communication of the sale of the product and customer service. You won't get as much sympathy for that and they want to run him out of town. So instead of complaining about the real reasons they are upset they make all these other claims which they say is why they are upset. This is why the stories will change but the gripe doesn't go away.

Pannolino

05-02-2011, 12:43 PM

hey retro is that you in the pic?

Pannolino

05-02-2011, 12:46 PM

Back from 1996-2000 we had hundreds of extra manuals in case our customers damaged their originals and wanted replacements. We had extra manuals for Ninja Master's, World Heroes Perfect, Gowcaizer, and many more. We also received hundreds of neogeo cd manuals as well.

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what about extra carts just in case your customers damaged their originals?
is the replacement services just for the accessories?

retro

05-02-2011, 02:51 PM

hey retro is that you in the pic?

Ahh, you must be from that ng forum. That's about the level of mentality over there - that of a childish schoolboy. Not saying I'm proud of using that picture but hey, it illustrated a point - that the ng people are being fucking anal about this and they're not painting a good picture of themselves with their childishness.

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.

Alchy

05-02-2011, 03:10 PM

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4444/arguingontheinternetw.jpgGiven the regularity with which you get into arguments here yourself that's an interesting choice.

Adol

05-02-2011, 03:15 PM

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.

What a joke. Welcome in the sandbox you mean.
The most childish attitude comes from that forum, where moderators can protect scams and name people after nazi figures.
Jeez. Stop badmouthing about other forums, and get a life.

retro

05-02-2011, 03:15 PM

Given the regularity with which you get into arguments here yourself that's an interesting choice.

Lol, look who's talking! ;-)

I'm not saying any of us are any better off when we ALL argue (LeGit will gladly call himself an idiot, too :P ). I'm saying that this specific argument is PARTICULARLY stupid.

retro

05-02-2011, 03:16 PM

What a joke. Welcome in the sandbox you mean.
The most childish attitude comes from that forum, where moderators can protect scams and name people after nazi figures.
Jeez. Stop badmouthing about other forums, and get a life.

If you'll all stop badmouthing Dion and get a life, then I'll stop badmouthing that forum - sure! Deal?

(I'll bet good money you'll say no. Not my fault you're a fucking hypocrite!)

Pannolino

05-02-2011, 04:00 PM

Ahh, you must be from that ng forum. That's about the level of mentality over there - that of a childish schoolboy. Not saying I'm proud of using that picture but hey, it illustrated a point - that the ng people are being fucking anal about this and they're not painting a good picture of themselves with their childishness.

Anyway, welcome to an adult conversation.
good try. ^_^

Anyway, no, i'm not from ng forum.
I don't even own a Neo Geo nor games.. i was just ... well i can't describe.
concerned about the picture
Posting that you sure have not be proud.
there is nothing funny or satirical in that photo

would aim to hit those who crying about insert and stuff (in your POV) but does ridiculing the victims of those diseases.
The only thing which is illustrated is how much is fascist the creator of the pic and how much is who spread it on the net.
just like the Anna Frank gag in the Griffin or something.

sure there's some other way to debate i hope.

LeGIt

05-02-2011, 04:08 PM

If retro had posted that pic outside of the unmoderated thread he'd have been slapped, the same goes if Adol hd behaved retarded elsewhere too.

retro is a cripple, thanks to an idiot driver I'm a cripple now too, so are some other posters. I'm not saying that picture is something retro should have posted, but this thread is unmoderated after all and the able bodied/minded are probably the ones taking the most offense.

The only thing I can really say though Adol is you're an idiot, but if you're going to keep acting like a bitch I'm going to have to slap you like one!

Give it 5 years time Adol and maybe you will look back and see sense and how much of a prick you were. You are a discredit to the Neo Geo community and there is no reasoning with you.

I am happy to resume serious discussion when you grow up though, but in the meantime I'll just have to ignore you and speak to the other more intelligent, rational members like geddon_jt. Lets hope there is a Neo Geo person you actually respect here so they can persuade you to keep your lunacy on a leash =/

Adol

05-02-2011, 04:15 PM

If you'll all stop badmouthing Dion and get a life, then I'll stop badmouthing that forum - sure! Deal?

(I'll bet good money you'll say no. Not my fault you're a fucking hypocrite!)

I think pannolino's right,you're the guy on the picture you posted. Nice.
I have m yreasons to badmouth Dion: because he screw me hundreds of $$.
But what on earth NG forum ever do to you to badmouth it, huh?
YOU definitely are a fucking hypocrite.

Legit: give it not 5 years, but 2 days, and if you have an once of intellgience, you'd realize how a prick you acted.
You'd be slapped everywhere acting like that:in the street, on internet forums, everywhere. With another words, you'd get what you deserve.
But i thought you said "the case was closed"...so you're a fucking liar after all?!
I thought so. You have no pride and no common sense. You can't even honor your words.

Adol

05-02-2011, 04:17 PM

good try. ^_^

Anyway, no, i'm not from ng forum.
I don't even own a Neo Geo nor games.. i was just ... well i can't describe.
concerned about the picture
Posting that you sure have not be proud.
there is nothing funny or satirical in that photo

would aim to hit those who crying about insert and stuff (in your POV) but does ridiculing the victims of those diseases.
The only thing which is illustrated is how much is fascist the creator of the pic and how much is who spread it on the net.
just like the Anna Frank gag in the Griffin or something.

sure there's some other way to debate i hope.

Unfortunately with nazi aficionados like LeGIt, i think such fascist pictures are in the right place.

retro

05-02-2011, 04:46 PM

I think pannolino's right,you're the guy on the picture you posted. Nice.
I have m yreasons to badmouth Dion: because he screw me hundreds of $$.
But what on earth NG forum ever do to you to badmouth it, huh?
YOU definitely are a fucking hypocrite.

Really? You forget?

That forum has badmouthed this forum many times before - WAY before Dion showed up here.

On top of that, the attitude over there has been appalling for years. The elitism, the unhelpful attitudes often seen. It's not a nice place to be.

Like I said, your comment just goes to show how childish you are, Adol.

How am I a hypocrite? YOU are the one who told me to stop badmouthing other forums and get a life, and yet you won't do the same. THAT, my friend, is being a hypocrite.

I offered you a simple deal. You stop badmouthing Dion, I stop badmouthing that forum. It seems I was right - you won't stop. That is what makes you a hypocrite. Don't ask someone to stop doing something if you won't stop yourself - not if you don't want to be rightly called a hypocrite.

Back to this fucking ridiculous argument.

You don't like Dion. WE KNOW.

You feel you got scammed by him. WE KNOW.

We have heard your argument. You don't like Dion. Now, the adult thing to do would be DROP IT and let us form our own opinion of him.

How would you feel if I did something like this about you? Went around badmouthing you everywhere someone mentioned your name? You wouldn't like it at all, would you? You'd probably argue, call me names, be the pathetic child you are being.

Dion takes it on the chin, like a man. He offers a counter to your points in a calm, reasonable manner.

This is the unmoderated forum - you're entitled to your opinion. You can argue about this for another 15 years here if you like - we won't stop you. However, it WILL seriously diminish my opinion of you, and my respect for you.

If you want to be respected in the video game collectors' World, grow up. You've made your point, now stop going on about it. We have ALL been ripped off in the past, we don't go on a crusade against the person, though. Yes, there are legal avenues you can take, and I fail to see why you haven't yet. And no, that's not an invitation for you to harp on about how you still have the right to do so.

Incidentally, it's not just what you've said here that makes me think you are childish. Like I said, that "NGF Bible" that was written stated that you tore the labels off the cart. How is that adult behaviour?

It's funny that you were unable to answer my questions about all those allegations about you - that you tore the labels off, that you sent the cart back, that you received a partial refund. However, you remember the fact that Dion wronged you and apparently ignored you and didn't refund you so well.

Which is it? He didn't refund you and ignored you, or he accepted your return and gave you a partial refund? It can't be both. I will accept that you can feel that the partial refund was not enough and that you are still owed money, but you CANNOT DENY HE PARTIALLY REFUNDED YOU.

I just don't see how you can't remember whether you returned the cart to him or not. Here's a simple way to tell - do you still have the cart? If not, you probably returned it... or sold it on to someone else!

If you still have the cart, I would very much like to see up-to-date pictures of the cart and the many wires you mentioned... we've already found the picture you posted of the cart and there were NOWHERE NEAR the amount you said.

If you have a dispute with Dion, are unsatisfied with what you received and wished to take further action, I cannot believe that someone who is in the legal profession would not keep evidence, such as the original adverts, e-mails etc. And, to be honest, I can't believe that someone who is being as anal as you are about it hasn't already plastered these all over the Internet and kept copies in a Photobucket account or something similar.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that Dion hasn't offered proof that you're wrong. It's up to you to persuade us that you're not embellishing the truth, here. Show us that evidence, prove yourself right, and we might say "fucking hell, Dion IS a bit shady! Adol was right!" However, until you do so, I reserve the right to form my own opinion of Dion based not on alleged events 14 years ago, but his conduct today.

You know, even if he is "guilty", people can change. Criminals go to prison, do their time, then come out and try to get on with their lives. Should we be forever following someone around after so long in prison, pointing at him and saying "he robbed my shop 14 years ago! Don't trust him!" That would be fucking pathetic, no?

Alchy

05-02-2011, 04:54 PM

Give it a rest, Adol. You're just making yourself look bad at this point.

Lol, look who's talking! ;-)Quite. In know full well I'm an argumentative bastard at times, and I will keep hammering away at something way past the point where most people have lost interest in the debate. That's why I don't post pictures like that :p

Adol

05-02-2011, 05:23 PM

How am I a hypocrite? YOU are the one who told me to stop badmouthing other forums and get a life, and yet you won't do the same. THAT, my friend, is being a hypocrite.

I was talking about badmouthing a forum by interposition. To badmouth it without having the balls to do it on the exact forum.
If you have the balls, tell it there, not here.

I offered you a simple deal. You stop badmouthing Dion, I stop badmouthing that forum.

And since you said it, what did i say about him, huh?

Now, the adult thing to do would be DROP IT and let us form our own opinion of him.

And how is that "adult thing going" here ? By naming me a nazi figure? By posting fascist pictures?
Smart.

If you want to be respected in the video game collectors' World, grow up.

Fortunately, I don't need to gain your respect to be respected in the video game collectors' World, i already am. Not by everyone of course, but no one is, otherwise it'd be a fucking hypocrite. :)
I just spoke ONCE, those days, because Dion showed up and because LeGIt was looking for victims. That's it. And i even did it with delay, so you can't say i jumped at it.

But have you ever see me talking about it within the last..7-8 years, when Dion was hiding? NEVER.

Incidentally, it's not just what you've said here that makes me think you are childish. Like I said, that "NGF Bible" that was written stated that you tore the labels off the cart. How is that adult behaviour?

Ok, here's an adult response: I completely deny it, and am waiting proofs of such lie.
But for the funny story, i wasn't adult back at the time, i was a minor (-18).

It's funny that you were unable to answer my questions about all those allegations about you - that you tore the labels off,

I didn't notice yet you asked the question. then let me be clear once again: this is the very first time i've heard of such story, and i completely deny it. And i'm waiting concrete proofs of me tearing stickers.
And not pictures of torn stickers anyone could tore, of course.

that you sent the cart back, that you received a partial refund.

I remember i sent the cart back yes.
I remember Dion tried to screw me by offering way less than a complete refund. It's illegal.

However, you remember the fact that Dion wronged you and apparently ignored you and didn't refund you so well.

If you send back a product,and get 15% refund instead of the 100% one the law enforces, how would you feel?

Which is it? He didn't refund you and ignored you, or he accepted your return and gave you a partial refund?
It can't be both. I will accept that you can feel that the partial refund was not enough and that you are still owed money, but you CANNOT DENY HE PARTIALLY REFUNDED YOU.

I don't deny it. But i never accepted a partial refund as a closure.
Law enforces a complete refund, so complete refund it has to be.
Not some goofy refund like "mmm, the sticker is strange,let's cut 80% of the refund".
It has to be 100% refund, period. I am still waiting, 14 years later, the completion of the refund.
And once again,i completely deny the stupid torn stickers story.

I just don't see how you can't remember whether you returned the cart to him or not.

I remember, and i claimed it many pages ago,wake up!

If you still have the cart, I would very much like to see up-to-date pictures of the cart and the many wires you mentioned... we've already found the picture you posted of the cart and there were NOWHERE NEAR the amount you said.

man, are you serious? You REALLY think i counted the wires and said 34,or 42?
Sorry, i didn't count them. I could, hell, say 17, that won't change the facts there were WIRES, and it's a fucking convert, when it was advertized as an official english home cart release.

If you have a dispute with Dion, are unsatisfied with what you received and wished to take further action, I cannot believe that someone who is in the legal profession would not keep evidence, such as the original adverts, e-mails etc.

Do you realize i was 17 when it happened?
Do you realize i was a minor, and NOT a legal professionnal at 17? How could you possibly be THAT wrong?
And, please, do not say you didn't know, i already said that in the last pages many times.

Show us that evidence, prove yourself right, and we might say "fucking hell, Dion IS a bit shady! Adol was right!" However, until you do so, I reserve the right to form my own opinion of Dion based not on alleged events 14 years ago, but his conduct today.

Fine, make your own opinion. I made mine when i got scammed $600-$100=$500, and saw other guys get fucked with $50k deals. It happened, and is fully documented.

You know, even if he is "guilty", people can change. Criminals go to prison, do their time, then come out and try to get on with their lives.
Should we be forever following someone around after so long in prison, pointing at him and saying "he robbed my shop 14 years ago! Don't trust him!" That would be fucking pathetic, no?

Yeah, but those guys MAKE AMENDS. Dion doesn't. That's the problem.

Juste

05-02-2011, 05:31 PM

This is true. From the looks of it so far what they are really mad about might boil down to communication of the sale of the product and customer service. You won't get as much sympathy for that and they want to run him out of town. So instead of complaining about the real reasons they are upset they make all these other claims which they say is why they are upset. This is why the stories will change but the gripe doesn't go away.

Who are they that you think are really mad/upset (apart from Adol ^_^)? Who wants to run him out of town? I don't. I myself have only asked questions/spoke of past things that don't seem right. That's not being mad/upset. I just wanted to ask about things that I think are still uncertain, or to clarify stuff, in a thread were nobody wants to back anything up 100%.

Adol

05-02-2011, 05:39 PM

Who are they that you think are really mad/upset (apart from Adol ^_^)? Who wants to run him out of town? I don't.

Just to clarify things: neither do i.
How upset i'd be or not, i don't want him "out of town".
I'd really rather see him answer all the questions people asked him and not avoiding them like he did for the past decade. That would be a change.

LeGIt

05-02-2011, 05:54 PM

I just wanted to ask about things that I think are still uncertain, or to clarify stuff, in a thread were nobody wants to back anything up 100%.

+1

Adol and his lunacy does not help matters. Hopefully the others will speak up and be more helpful/reasonable, preferably sooner rather than later.

Juste

05-02-2011, 06:00 PM

Just to clarify things: neither do i.
How upset i'd be or not, i don't want him "out of town".
I'd really rather see him answer all the questions people asked him and not avoiding them like he did for the past decade. That would be a change.

I think in the end, people see that too.

But you must stop the way you are with LeGIt and retro.

retro

05-02-2011, 06:07 PM

Adol, I'm just going to reply as briefly as possible about these things. Don't want to make this boring - not that it's not too late! ;-)

The other forum badmouthed us WITHOUT coming here - so surely you should ask them why they didn't have the balls? Nothing to do with Dion, and years ago. I'm not badmouthing the forum, I'm merely voicing my disregard for their attitude. I'd give you specific examples of them doing that but they've made the forums viewable to registered members only, and there's no "forgot password" button on the sign in form - really friendly, that!

Let's not go through everything you've said about Dion ;-)

I'm not responsible for what others say. Please remember - this is the UNMODERATED thread. It's the one place we can all say what we like. On your other forum, it'd be said wherever. You're entitled to your opinion, others are entitled to disagree. You're entitled to state your point, others are entitled to argue with it. Despite it getting a bit petty with namecalling and such, that's still having an adult discussion.

If someone calls you something you don't like, I'd suggest either politely asking that they don't, or ignoring it. If it really bothers you, don't participate in the unmoderated forum. Notice how I handled both of you saying the photo was of me? I could have chosen to be as childish as you and said "No, it's of your Mum - how is she doing?" Now that would have been stupid. To be honest, I'm not proud of using the image, it's not something I generally agree with, but that just illustrates how stupid I believe this discussion has become.

I totally agree - we don't have to have everyone's respect. All I was saying was that you had mine for your collection, but this petty squabbling diminishes my respect for you.

OK, so you may just do it now, but like I said - state your point, then stop. That's the grown-up thing to do. I'd have expected this of you 14 years ago, but not now.

Dion has responded that the 50k order was for hundreds of items. The claim was that 5 CDs were missing. That's OK, it happens. It can be sorted easily, no? And apparently, the order with stuff written all over it was a different order. Why would you order several times from someone if you weren't happy with their service? Answer - you wouldn't!

How is Dion supposed to make amends with people on a forum when they won't let him on there? Tell me that. And if you were in his shoes, wanting to make amends, and people like you just shouted at his every post calling him a liar, would you still want to make amends? What IS your idea of making amends, anyway? He's come back, he's sharing information and pictures with us and calmly discussing things. That's a pretty good start in my book. If your idea of making amends is him repaying you something you feel is owed, take that up with him privately. And on that note:

Yes I'd be upset. Yes, I might mention it to people if the person was still selling. ONCE. If someone chose to believe that seller, I'd say "OK, that's your choice - don't say I didn't warn you!" I would definitely not say "NO! NO! NO! You are WRONG to trust him! He cannot be trusted!" It's their choice.

Incidentally, congratulations on getting SOMETHING back. Many of us have been scammed and received NOTHING. Look for the thread from that Austrian? guy who dealt with someone in the UK for a PS3 and didn't get a refund or his console - and it seems he doesn't have a leg to stand on legally! So again, if you do - congratulations for being in a better position than him!

I bought a piece of dev hardware off a German guy in the US. He never sent it. I e-mailed him. He apologized, said he was ill. Said he would find it and send it. It never happened. Eventually, his e-mail address stopped working and I couldn't find him at his address. Yes, I'm pissed off, but shit happens.

Ok, here's an adult response: I completely deny it, and am waiting proofs of such lie.
But for the funny story, i wasn't adult back at the time, i was a minor (-18).

I didn't notice yet you asked the question. then let me be clear once again: this is the very first time i've heard of such story, and i completely deny it. And i'm waiting concrete proofs of me tearing stickers.
And not pictures of torn stickers anyone could tore, of course.

I remember i sent the cart back yes.
I remember Dion tried to screw me by offering way less than a complete refund. It's illegal.

If you send back a product,and get 15% refund instead of the 100% one the law enforces, how would you feel?

I don't deny it. But i never accepted a partial refund as a closure.
Law enforces a complete refund, so complete refund it has to be.
Not some goofy refund like "mmm, the sticker is strange,let's cut 80% of the refund".
It has to be 100% refund, period. I am still waiting, 14 years later, the completion of the refund.
And once again,i completely deny the stupid torn stickers story.

I remember, and i claimed it many pages ago,wake up!

Adol, can I ask you a question? Again, this is one I've asked you before but you haven't answered. So I'll make it bold here. And please, don't take any offence - it's just a question:

Is the person posting as Adol here one person, or is it still two brothers?

The reason I ask is that you keep contradicting yourself. Either you are two people, which would explain this, or you have some kind of multiple personality disorder (again, please don't take offence - I'm merely trying to work out why you don't remember my questions).

A few days ago (and a few pages ago), I listed the allegations from the NGF Bible, and asked you and Dion to comment on them. Here are your answers:

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=492064&postcount=142

Dion wrote his name on the back of the insert in black permanent marker. TRUE
Adol tore the sticker off the cart in a fit of rage. DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT CAN BE TRUE.
Adol then sent the cartridge back to Dion, requesting a refund. WILL CHECK, BUT PROBABLY TRUE
Dion stated that Adol should pay for the damage to the sticker. DON'T REMEMBER, BUT PROBABLY TRUE, HE'S GREEDY
Dion claimed that the sticker cost him $400. HAHA, SURELY TRUE, ONLY DION COULD ASK SO MUCH MONEY FOR A $10 STICKER. THAT'S ILLEGAL ANYWAY
Dion offered Adol a refund, but it was only for $100 or so. POSSIBLE, AND COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, REFUND SHOULD HAVE BEEN $600
Adol received said refund. POSSIBLE,IF SO, STILL WAITING THE REMAINING $500 + legal interest for 14 years.

So again I ask you, how can you not remember me asking this - or you replying?

I would love to see the outcome of this case in a court. Please go ahead with it!! It would be an end to the argument finally!

LeGIt

05-02-2011, 06:12 PM

I'd really rather see him answer all the questions people asked him and not avoiding them like he did for the past decade. That would be a change.

You mean just like you avoid many of my questions and refuse to prove anything? =/

It is your lack of evidence and foolish behaviour which ruins the credibility of your statements.

You are to me, what Dion is to you, except you are exponentially worse than he is.

I wish you can see this =/

geddon_jt

05-02-2011, 06:20 PM

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4444/arguingontheinternetw.jpg

Ok, I'm done, "you win." It's guys like you who discourage me from taking the time to do any of this stuff.

The rest of you can read my prior posts to get an idea for why the Neo community feels the way they do about these guys. There are other detailed resources on the net that can illuminate you further. If you don't care to do that, well, good for you, I don't really care.

Pannolino

05-02-2011, 07:02 PM

back on topic (lol) there's a question that come in mind:

http://www.neogeofreak.com/manuals/manuals4.jpg

there' was a manuals replacement service (officially provided directly by SNK of AMERICA trough Dion/NGF) and there was no regular printed "ROM" manual in the english Pulstar version?
Sounds a bit strange to me.

wanna to point this pic out again since i find it ..well.. O_O
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Pulstar.jpg

retro

05-02-2011, 07:06 PM

back on topic (lol) there's a question that come in mind:

This is the unmoderated thread... there's a topic?!?! ;-) lol

Cyantist

05-02-2011, 07:13 PM

good try. ^_^

Anyway, no, i'm not from ng forum.
I don't even own a Neo Geo nor games.. i was just ... well i can't describe.
concerned about the picture
Posting that you sure have not be proud.
there is nothing funny or satirical in that photo

would aim to hit those who crying about insert and stuff (in your POV) but does ridiculing the victims of those diseases.
The only thing which is illustrated is how much is fascist the creator of the pic and how much is who spread it on the net.
just like the Anna Frank gag in the Griffin or something.

sure there's some other way to debate i hope.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljctwbJTAR1qdlkgg.gif

Not trying to be offensive but I didn't understand a word of that, You went from explaining your situation to diseases and Anne Frank

Cyantist

05-02-2011, 07:19 PM

AND SO ITS TIME FOR VIDEO GAME COLLECTING MANIA, GUEST HOSTED BY THE ASSEMBLER

OUR FIRST BOUT

Lol, look who's talking! ;-)

I'm not saying any of us are any better off when we ALL argue (LeGit will gladly call himself an idiot, too :P ). I'm saying that this specific argument is PARTICULARLY stupid.

Battle of the 'Whos a more argumentive bastard'
Retro VS Alchy. No doubt the finish to the match will involve a run in featuring LeGIt

Fortunately, I don't need to gain your respect to be respected in the video game collectors' World, i already am. Not by everyone of course, but no one is, otherwise it'd be a fucking hypocrite. :)
Second Bout of the night
Who has a bigger fucking ego!

Adol VS Dion
Both have undoubtably huge fucking ego's but who will win the championship?

Its times like these I wish I still had photoshop to knock up a poster.

Actually, We have pictures of Dion, Do any exist of Adol, Alchy and Retro? I might give it a go on fireworks at school tomorrow.

Dion

05-02-2011, 09:19 PM

Thread gone wrong thanks to a few
Guys, this thread was actually very adult and mature until Andre and Sylvio (Adol) jumped in and got carried away. Even as they weren't being completely honest, I don't hold any ill feelings towards the brothers Adol.

Let bygones be bygones
Andre and Sylvio didn't need to give false claims of never receiving the game, the game having 40 wires, the game having eproms, sending the game back and receiving a partial refund, him being a lawyer, him being a notary cleark, him being an estate lawyer, or whatever. Let's not focus on his employment or any of his false claims. I'm willing to ignore his false statements and move forward for the good of future discussions.

Refund worthy
I think Andre and Sylvio are just missing some point on NGF being official and his right to return an item he damaged, and if we have any legal obligation to grant a refund when the buyer deliberately damaged the item.

Andre claims he purchased a game, opened it up, and in doing so, damaged and tore the sticker. He then wants to return the item and receive a full refund?? That is not how it works, nor was NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA legally obligated to accept the damaged item and issue a full refund.

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Purposely Damaged = Void
I spoke about the ordeal with my business partner. He said not not issue the refund and void your option because you damaged the cartridge casing, tore off the sticker, and could have potentially damaged the boards, by accident or on purpose.

Executive Decision
I took it upon myself to make an executive decision, and not listen to what Chris had suggested. So my personal offer to you was for a partial refund. You and your brother did many transactions with us, so I valued you as a customer.

How could Andre, Sylvio, or anyone else expect anything in terms of an exchange or refund, let a lone a full refund for an item they purposely damaged? Not place that I know of allows for refunds on video games in general.

Resolved
Andre and Sylvio, in case you guys forgot, you purchased from NGF many times after the shock troopers incident, which obviously means it was resolved satisfactory for either you or your brother.

Can everyone please move past this? This thread is becoming a bash fest and starting to resemble the childish attitudes and behaviors ng.com members (and everyone knows I haven't visited or posted at ng.com in 10 years)(i would never waste my time there)
Let's all let the next person rant and make something up. I'll still be willing to hear any case and offer my input and rebuttals.
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retro

05-02-2011, 10:35 PM

AND SO ITS TIME FOR VIDEO GAME COLLECTING MANIA, GUEST HOSTED BY THE ASSEMBLER

OUR FIRST BOUT

Battle of the 'Whos a more argumentive bastard'
Retro VS Alchy. No doubt the finish to the match will involve a run in featuring LeGIt

Lol, it's a close call... especially with LeGit in the mix ;-)

[quote=Cyantist[Actually, We have pictures of Dion, Do any exist of Adol, Alchy and Retro? I might give it a go on fireworks at school tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Certainly there are pics of Legit and I, even one or two with us both in the same photo! Neither of us were doing an impression of the guy on the cover of Fatal Fury like Dion, though - we're both fat bastards! ;-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Fatal_Fury_%28cover%29.jpg

;-)

I get the feeling you'll always see such behaviour in this thread sadly, Dion. Then again, it's the unmoderated thread, so that's up to them. I think we're all growing tired of it, though, so the best thing to do is just ignore it.

Adol

05-03-2011, 01:08 AM

Ok, I'm done, "you win." It's guys like you who discourage me from taking the time to do any of this stuff.

The rest of you can read my prior posts to get an idea for why the Neo community feels the way they do about these guys. There are other detailed resources on the net that can illuminate you further. If you don't care to do that, well, good for you, I don't really care.

I follow you on this. Retro,LeGIt, you win.
Get fucked if you want to, i won't care anymore.

Retro, i'm only Andre, my twin doesn't post on forums for years now.
Yes, Retro, i wrote that i don't remember tearing the stickers, and i still don't. I stand to my declarations, and am still waiting proof of it.
Please, you or Dion, provide them. Thanks.

LeGIT, you're really the legendary cunt people say you are, you well deserve your reputation and title, congrats. But you're also a liar, who cannot honor his words. You clearly have no idea what "case closed" mean.

Dion, continue your scams, by selling manuals or whatever.
I just really hope you don't scam people abour real estate the way you forged your scamming legend in the Neo Geo World.

That is my final post on the matter (unlike LeGIt)
More by email if you want, but not here. Done with fascism and nazism.

LeGIt

05-03-2011, 01:59 AM

LeGIT, you're really the legendary cunt people say you are, you well deserve your reputation and title, congrats.

Why thank you! Those are the kindest words I've heard all week.

But you're also a liar, who cannot honor his words. You clearly have no idea what "case closed" mean.

FYI this is funny for at least three reasons. The case closed element is with regards to my opinion of you and my particular disability comes with an almost pathological sense of honesty. Lastly, you had a snipe at me after I went then rambled more nonsense which spurred me to come back, in part because I find you amusing but in part because I also seek the truth AND proof. By your definition will you 'lie' by responding some more?

That is my final post on the matter (unlike LeGIt)
More by email if you want, but not here. Done with fascism and nazism.

Adol the only one ever talking about Nazism here was you. I talked about a man with a similar name equally foolish behaviour, you're talking about the 'machine'. They are related of course, but certainly not the same thing. I told you this already but as is often the case you refuse to listen then ramble like a fool, skipping relevant questions along the way too. Convenient huh?

Also Adol, fascism is about mandatory conformism in a way and by one definition you sort of demanded we conformed to your view of Dion with no proof that you were ever scammed and you repeatedly lied or told halth truths so yeah... at least you have given up so we can speak to someone who may see sense.

Sadly the only one of you Neo folk who seemed reasonable thus far (geddon_jt) got unreasonably offended by a picture and has gone - I guess it is true what I said and the able bodied/minded are taking the greatest offense to it, not that I condoned it's use mind you.

As for your behaviour Adol, why behave like you do in the unmoderated thread? Just because there is no censorship from the site administration here doesn't mean you shouldn't have some self control too. You appear to behave politely elsewhere on the boards, but if you behaved anywhere near the idiot you were in here you would have probably been banned long ago. At least be consistent with your behaviour - I'm a cunt wherever I go! Have a think about that.

Also whislt we are discussing censorship and moderation, FYI ASSEMbler has no hidden agenda. People disobey the rules their posts may get deleted and they may be shown the door.

Actually, especially with regards to abusive rants, ASSEMbler's take on this is to let people hang themselves with their own words. I invite you to return to this thread in several years time and see if you still approve of your behaviour. Hopefully if you finally see sense on that day and we can be friends too, but until that time or you rant some more, farewell.

ave

05-03-2011, 09:25 AM

This thread has went nuts. I have been following this "discussion" all along and it started out to be very interesting, then amusing, tiresome.

Lengthy responses from everywhere and no progress. I also don't understand why LeGIT tries (tried) to be the judge resolving an issue that happened between Dion and Adol 14 years ago. WTF? How should anyone of us know what exactly happened back then and decide who's right? Why should any of us be bothered anyway?

Oh, and this:

Adol the only one ever talking about Nazism here was you. I talked about a man with a similar name equally foolish behaviour, you're talking about the 'machine'.

Could you guys please stop? It goes like "Adol: Nazism" - "Legit: I just talked about the man with a similar name" for 10 out of 16 pages or so.
It was a stupid idea from the beginning, can't you just keep it at that? I doubt anybody here believes you're obsessed with nazism like Adol points out every five minutes. But it would help if you'd finally admit that it was kindergarten level to call him "Adolf". I don't think such childish manners are necessary here, especially not from a moderator. Seriously, "Adol sounds like Adolf, I'll call you Adolf lolololol" - WTF? Where am I here, 4chan?

Then again people are calling each other idiots, cunts, twats and whatnot. Finally a traditional Neo Geo discussion like in the good old days :dance:

LeGIt

05-03-2011, 09:53 AM

Lengthy responses from everywhere and no progress. I also don't understand why LeGIT tries (tried) to be the judge resolving an issue that happened between Dion and Adol 14 years ago. WTF? How should anyone of us know what exactly happened back then and decide who's right? Why should any of us be bothered anyway?

Because I'm trying to make sense of the bullshit, cut the crap and understand the truth (the same as some other people here)!

The catch is since Adol showed up we just got another 10 pages of bullshit and still no proof for his story, in fact he even refused to prove it :(

Seriously, "Adol sounds like Adolf, I'll call you Adolf lolololol" - WTF? Where am I here, 4chan?

Alas my point was bigger than the name as I did say on occasion with regards to a foolish conquest and there was no lololol. I have no moderator status in here (as I have also stated more than once) so I should not be frowned upon any more than someone else for doing so. It made sense to me, you don't have to agree with it ;)

Then again people are calling each other idiots, cunts, twats and whatnot. Finally a traditional Neo Geo discussion like in the good old days :dance:

Happy to be of service!

neozeed

05-03-2011, 10:22 AM

Why don't you all just all meet up and have the straightener!! Instead of all the bitchin and shit flinging from behind the keyboards lol.

Alchy

05-03-2011, 01:17 PM

Why don't you all just all meet up and have the straightener!! Instead of all the bitchin and shit flinging from behind the keyboards lol.Because this is what Dion does to people who disagree with him in person:

http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/images/DionMookie.jpg

He can call me a "keyboard warrior" if he likes, but I'll be fucked if I'm flying out to Vegas to be put in a headlock by a guy whose only real claim to fame is being a former NeoGeo salesman. Even I don't take arguments that seriously.

Dion

05-03-2011, 01:43 PM

You guys can't be serious with some of the stories you come up with.
(my claim to fame is being very successful in my entire life, not just neogeo).

That photo was orchestrated and staged for the camera.
We all shared a good laugh and said "Watch, people will all freak out and post about it for years!!' lol
Sure enough, that was back in 2002, almost an entire decade has passed and people still talk about it.
Sheer genius on our part.

Yes, I can handle myself in a face to face confrontation, but that doesn't mean I am looking to "settle" any arguments with a physical altercation. I will only react to someone if they tried to instigate bodily harm.

Here are some more photos for people to edit in photoshop and/or talk about.

Here I am with the baddest man on the planet, Fedor Emelianenko
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/dion_fedor_08_06_.jpg

Dion Dakis and Ken Shamrock in 1995
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/ddks1.jpg

Dion Dakis and Jacki Chan
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/jackiechan.jpg

Dion Dakis with Kevin Randleman
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/dion_kevin_08_06.jpg

Frank Trigg with Dion Dakis
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/dion_trigg_08_06.jpg

Dion Dakis with 6time Mr. Olympia, Dorian Yates
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/dyates.jpg

I'm sure some people are going to hate on these photos, instead of being happy, that as a fan, I was fortunate to be able to meet and take photos with various people.
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neozeed

05-03-2011, 02:17 PM

Dorian Yates...Cool his Gym Temple gym was not far from me in Birmingham.

Alchy

05-03-2011, 03:23 PM

That photo was orchestrated and staged for the camera.

Sheer Genius!Riiiight.

I wonder what it's like to live life as a pathological liar. You're a strange little man, Dion Dakis.

Dion

05-03-2011, 03:57 PM

Riiiight.

I wonder what it's like to live life as a pathological liar. You're a strange little man, Dion Dakis.

Still got you guys speculating.
I'm happy to see this promotional photo is still doing it's job and keeping the crowd talking. And what am I lying about in regards to that photo?

Since NGF is no longer doing neogeo business, I'll elaborate on the photo as I have also been elaborating on our profits, purchases, stock buy out, arts and sketches, etc....

Let's look at the photo

http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/images/DionMookie.jpg

Lack of motion blurs
Look at the picture carefully.... no motion being displayed (no blurs) from myself, the other person, or even the person's hair. Everything is perfectly still. We all posed for the camera. "Cheese!!!"

If it wasn't staged, do you think I would have let the person take and/or get away with that photo??. It's so obvious that everyone was in on the joke (like fake pro wrestling). It still has some of you talking.

Tank-top: It's clearly a staged photo.
In no other photo am I wearing only a tank top. I removed my shirt and wore only my tank-top undershirt for this particular photo. Anyone with a rational thought process can figure it out and notice all the various subtleties.

Don't believe all the nonsense and false rumors that ng.com perpetuated all these years.
Those guys had no idea what NGF was all about, and they were just on a blind fury.
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Buyatari

05-03-2011, 04:24 PM

Lol, it's a close call... especially with LeGit in the mix ;-)

Certainly there are pics of Legit and I, even one or two with us both in the same photo! Neither of us were doing an impression of the guy on the cover of Fatal Fury like Dion, though - we're both fat bastards! ;-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Fatal_Fury_%28cover%29.jpg

Here use this one instead. Now you can create your own text.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/fatalfury.jpg

cyberguile

05-03-2011, 04:42 PM

I did notice that blur motion thingy years ago. I would also add that the dudes at the back of the picture doesn't seem to give a shit about someone being headlocked in front of them. But, hey, "Dion would and should have been sued for this !". Lol.

LeGIt

05-03-2011, 05:01 PM

I think you can have a good action shot without blur on occasion though and Dion was obviously buff and the guy a little bit skinny, but I don't think even with Dion's grip strength he could single handedly wrestle someone that badly - the arm doesn't even look that twisted and the angles look odd, I doubt it was even painful.

Still it would be nice to hear from the chap in the pic directly too, not a repost, quote or secret message though and maybe a pic of the wrist before and after for marks, if any. If you're going to take a pic of an assault, surely you would take pics of the after effects and show the bruising too? I would expect a complaint to be filed with the police as well.

The last strange issue though, after the other stuff, is the lack of NGF watermark on the pic :P Though perhaps if you're just fucking about, it wasn't a promotional issue so not necessary.

That said even if he didn't commit assault, I'm sure there are times Dion probably did want to thump some of his customers as we all snap (even the people thinking merry merry thoughts) - we are only human after all. I've personally broken peoples bones, but I've never whacked anyone that didn't have it coming to them and casual violence is not my bag.

Buyatari

05-03-2011, 05:58 PM

cyberguile

05-04-2011, 03:35 AM

legit: if I remember correctly, the buddy on the picture has passed away couple of years ago.

Juste

05-04-2011, 06:05 AM

Dion, how many games did you release without creating/including a manual in the end (like Shock Troopers)?

Could you provide a list of them to help for future reference?

If not, I think previously you said that you commissioned manuals for 6 mass release titles, and that those manuals were professionally done using offset printing plates.

Could you list those games to help, too?

If I understood correctly, you said you repacked the english version of Pulstar with the instruction booklet from the CD version. Is this the only game you did this for, or are there others, too?

TIA

LeGIt

05-04-2011, 09:05 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGd0gD0QNE

Dion

05-04-2011, 01:19 PM

Great questions Juste.
These questions should have been asked in the NGF History thread. (I'll copy it there for readers not wanting to sift through this "unmoderated thread."

Dion, how many games did you release without creating/including a manual in the end (like Shock Troopers)?

Most of the retrofit conversions did not have a manual.
Some fans later on made homemade manuals, so people do have options if they really desired some type of a manual for aesthetic reasons.

Could you provide a list of them to help for future reference?

Asterisk (*)
Here is a link to our old price lists. Game with a single asterisk (*) are with no manual.

List from 2002
http://www.neogeofreak.com/cartridge_prices.htm

List from 2000
http://replay.web.archive.org/200101232212/http://www.neogeofreak.com/ngfstock1.htm

If not, I think previously you said that you commissioned manuals for 6 mass release titles, and that those manuals were professionally done using offset printing plates.

Could you list those games to help, too?

Official NGF mass release with offset printed manual
The mass release games we did with full manuals are:
Bang Beaqd, Bust-a-Move, Diggerman, Irritating Maze, ZedBlade, Zupapa.

Bang Bead
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Bang_Bead.jpg

Bust-a-Move
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/BaM.jpg

Diggerman
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Diggerman.jpg

Irritating Maze
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/IM3.jpg

ZedBlade
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/ZedBlade.jpg

Zupapa
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Zupapa.jpg

If I understood correctly, you said you repacked the english version of Pulstar with the instruction booklet from the CD version. Is this the only game you did this for, or are there others, too?
TIA

Official English Pulstar price on the rise
At the moment I seem to recall that being the only game we sold with the english cd manual. This game is actually starting to fetch high dollars in the collector market. The official NGF English Pulstar sold on ebay for $1800! (more than double the price of the official japanese version)(with NGF distributor sticker and NGF authenticity stamp to prove it's an official version, not some aftermarket copy of our insert and sticker)

Pulstar
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Pulstar.jpg

Just as years later the english KoF2000 is extremely sought after and desirable, and selling now for $3500-$5000, it's safe to speculate that the other NGF official releases may also be in very high demand and become just as costly.

King of Fighters 2000
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/KoF2000.jpg

The english KoF2000 is currently the 3rd most expensive aes cartridge.
With complete confirmation that only 100 units were made, I predict it will soon become THE most sought after and expensive game for collectors world-wide, far surpassing Kizuna Encounter.
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retro

05-04-2011, 02:37 PM

Dion

05-04-2011, 03:22 PM

Dion, you may have had a successful life, but you missed a trick.

You should have been a Peter Andre lookalike!

http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/fight/dion_trigg_08_06.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7456/dc22a6f11905616bpeteran.jpg

LOL!! I see the resemblance in that photo. Who is he?

Anyway, I don''t know if it would be believable. I'm 5'11"/220 lbs. That guy looks to be 140-150lbs.
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LeGIt

05-04-2011, 03:31 PM

Who is he?

haha that's the best answer I heard all day. Those of us who know of him think the same thing.

In the mid-90's Peter Andre did a couple of crappy songs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9YHg07NLLc

A decade later he was on 'I was a Z list celebrity has been get me into here to reboot my career' where he met then later shagged a pretty hot former page 3 girl Katie Price aka Jordan (though she looks like dogshit after all the plastic surgery now, shame really when she was younger she did have some natural beauty but it is long since ruined).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eacB-M4BzwU/SwgLhcbPTOI/AAAAAAAAISU/Vjb58vA0qtg/s1600/katie-price-boobs.jpg

They got married, then divorced. That is about it for his life story.

derekb

05-04-2011, 05:59 PM

You guys can't be serious with some of the stories you come up with

http://bombsomedodongos.com/a/images/judy.jpg

Annoying_one

05-04-2011, 09:31 PM

ive been very silent about what happened. as i wasn't involved i don't say anything.

every time i contact dion to try to get more then grainy art. he posts the same tired crap that does no one any good.

look dion we dont care if you think this makes ngf a historic company or a you a historic person. we dont care.

start releasing something more then tired videos of your only glory day.

Annoying_one

05-04-2011, 10:51 PM

see that why you are scum. i did not demand anything i requested and i got glad handed and posted trash video links.

everything seem to be about money with you and throw backs when you thought you was the center of neogeo scene. preservation isnt something you have ever been into.

we simply dont care what you felt you did for the community. we know what you did to it thou.

so thank you for showing what you really are.

Annoying_one

05-04-2011, 11:22 PM

retro

05-04-2011, 11:26 PM

you havent shared at all... so dont fucking make shit up. most are too politically correct to just tell you to fuck off.

padding your wallet for something that shouldn't require it is something i certainly wont do.

im sure you willing to hold out you hand for money. thats why you are scum.

Why are you starting shit again?

Go and look at the NGF thread - you'll find artwork there. Shared by Dion. Go look, then come back and apologize to him.

As I've told you before, you are entitled to precisely FUCK ALL. Quit begging. If you want something and the owner doesn't want to share it for free, fucking buy it or keep your mouth shut. That goes for prototypes, betas, artwork - whatever.

Annoying_one

05-04-2011, 11:28 PM

you are known by the company you keep

derekb

05-05-2011, 03:05 AM

http://bombsomedodongos.com/a/images/linkinpark.jpg

kiff

05-05-2011, 06:15 AM

Just read through the entire thread with a neutral view of everything and all I can say is..... that's 35 minutes of my life I will never get back! :rolleyes:

Juste

05-05-2011, 06:29 AM

Thanks for the detailed reply Dion. It helps a lot.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 08:49 AM

I just had a gander at this

http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/masterlist.htm

It has got to be one of the strangest lists ever seen - note how pretty much every official SNK MVS to NGF AES conversion has been boycotted by not being dated as an official release when the SNK Playmore list shows the rights to distribute games?

NGF distributed an english version of Garou Mark of the Wolves, but for some reason they accept that as official? Didn't NGF sell KoF2k1 and 2k2 to N-G and that list also accepts them as official?

Note how many of the titles NGF probably sold to N-G they accept as official are convenietly for sale in the N-G store... but many similar out of stock titles are conveniently unofficial?

The bigger hypocrisy still is the same people who didn't believe NGF were genuine went and bought from then anyway - WTF! If you think somone is a fraud and you don't want fraudulent products, you don't go and buy the bullshit off them, then complain you got bullshit! What kind of sense does that make?

The lack of rights claims earlier make no sense. They say NGF have no rights, yet they list some titles whch NGF produced in english form as official titles.

Am I missing a trick or does no rights mean NO rights, or do they just mean no right to do MVS to AES conversions, but rights to reprint japanese games into english with corrected inserts and ultimately failed to articulate this point? Even then no proof was ever offered to support their allegations so :(

_SD_

05-05-2011, 09:04 AM

None of the NGF MVS - AES conversions, nor their English AES releases (inc. KoF '00) are on the Master List, and they never will be. N-G.com simply refuses to beleive that NGF had the rights to distribute/repackage/convert these titles and that's just the way it is.

I'd really like to see a truly complete non-biased list, that includes all the NGF and !Arcade! titles. At the end of the day, pretending that these games don't exist is kind of silly....

DarthCloud

05-05-2011, 09:11 AM

I guess this list is for people who want to stay away from NGF stuff.

Anyone is free to collect what they want, I see not problem with that.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 09:46 AM

Actually, We have pictures of Dion, Do any exist of Adol, Alchy and Retro? I might give it a go on fireworks at school tomorrow.

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1611

retro and I are both pictured there, incindentally 2004 was the first year I became a fat cunt after gaming hard and drinking lucozade like it was water in 2003 - don't be fooled though there is some muscle too :P

It took a while to find the thread, I was actually looking for another reason: I saw sneakypeanut on MSN and he looks like a younger, slimmer version of retro, so he is either retro's secret brother, love child or quasi-lookalike regardless :P

Anyhow I believe buyatari posted the cover art to manipulate, enjoy!

Cyantist

05-05-2011, 10:25 AM

Why are you starting shit again?

Go and look at the NGF thread - you'll find artwork there. Shared by Dion. Go look, then come back and apologize to him.

As I've told you before, you are entitled to precisely FUCK ALL. Quit begging. If you want something and the owner doesn't want to share it for free, fucking buy it or keep your mouth shut. That goes for prototypes, betas, artwork - whatever.

That's werejag for you pretty much.

BM-Viper

05-05-2011, 10:48 AM

At least he finally is done trying to get that Dolphin logo? He's moved on to scans of neogeo stuff. :P

Annoying_one

05-05-2011, 10:51 AM

i got the scan of the dolphin logo. i can wait years for stuff im looking for and i have. all due time.

wheelaa

05-05-2011, 11:31 AM

It has got to be one of the strangest lists ever seen - note how pretty much every official SNK MVS to NGF AES conversion has been boycotted by not being dated as an official release when the SNK Playmore list shows the rights to distribute games?

NGF distributed an english version of Garou Mark of the Wolves, but for some reason they accept that as official? Didn't NGF sell KoF2k1 and 2k2 to N-G and that list also accepts them as official?

Note how many of the titles NGF probably sold to N-G they accept as official are convenietly for sale in the N-G store... but many similar out of stock titles are conveniently unofficial?

The bigger hypocrisy still is the same people who didn't believe NGF were genuine went and bought from then anyway - WTF! If you think somone is a fraud and you don't want fraudulent products, you don't go and buy the bullshit off them, then complain you got bullshit! What kind of sense does that make?

The lack of rights claims earlier make no sense. They say NGF have no rights, yet they list some titles whch NGF produced in english form as official titles.

Am I missing a trick or does no rights mean NO rights, or do they just mean no right to do MVS to AES conversions, but rights to reprint japanese games into english with corrected inserts and ultimately failed to articulate this point? Even then no proof was ever offered to support their allegations so :(

Legit, your getting very confused.

SNK released many of those titles in English format. SNK printed the insert and manual and sticker etc.

So there is a legit US Garou with all parts made by SNK.

Distributing an SNK made product without altering it in any way, where's the problem. In those instances NGF was akin to a store that merely distributed SNK made product. Unless of course Dion wants to claim the US Garou insert sticker and manual are made by NGF. I can assure you they aren't. (If you ever seen an NGF insert in the flesh, aside from the NGF logos giving it away, the quality is far less than SNK produced product) In those instances NGF was a distributor of SNK made product. SNK MADE PRODUCT!

The whole issue is that NGF made their own product, either from scratch suing MVS chips, or possible eproms, or just by trashing a legit JP insert and printing off an NGF created US one. Inserts, carts etc that were not made by SNK. Those are not listed. I guess this thread really must be a complete clusterfuck if you haven't aprpeciated that.

So US Garou, with all parts made by SNK. Doesn't matter who sells it, it's SNK made product 100%.

What NGF did for lots of carts was to destroy the SNK made inserts and make their own, with NGF logos emblazoned all over the insert etc. Or for those released where SNK did not make a US verision, they freaked JP carts (see the Pulstar frankenstein shit a few pages back).

So you are missing a point here. Yes NGF sold some English homecarts. What that lists boycotts (although English KoF2K is listed I believe) is any product that solely has NGF inserts etc, is solely an NGF creation.

NGF may have been the exclusive seller on KoF2001-02 US, I don't know. I have owned both carts though and neither had any NGF taint on them. Where KoF2K differs is that SNK made the product, then NGF destroyed all the inserts and then made their own. So any KoF2K US has the NGF touch to it, whereas say a US Garou doesn't (although I'm sure they freaked some heh).

So there are numerous US games with SNK made inserts. NGF may or may not have sold them, but if there is an official SNK made product that can be obtained without NGF shit all over it, except KoF2K, then it is listed. Simply cannot get more official than that. Made by SNK, every piece untouched, unaltered.

So for example there is the SNK made Metal Slug US. Then there is the NGF 'corrected' insert MS US. One is a classy collector piece, the other a piece of shit.

Another example. Waku Waku 7 - the only SNK made version was JP. Any US version (ie insert) is solely an NGF creation, therefore it is not listed. NGF may or may not be official depending on what one believes, there they believe not so only SNK manufactured stuff is listed. ie games that one can obtain with no NGF on the insert.

I always found it odd that some of these so called NGF US versions don't have English manuals. What fucking good is a cart / insert in the US style and a manual in Japanese? Freaked shite.

For anything that SNK didn't make themselves, these 'official conversions', they are not listed for all the reasons touched upon in this thread.

So for example the Zupapa run, solely made by NGF. Irrespective of what rights they may or may not have had, the end product was not made by SNK at all. It was a piece of shit cobbled together by scumbags (imo). The only SNK made Zupapa is on MVS. So MVS Zupapa is listed, homecart version isn't.

Also, I don't think anyone here has stated that NGF freaked all their stuff. They sold lots of SNK made produce that was untampered, unmarked, as has been mentioned here. In those instances, it's no different to going into a store and buying stuff. Untampered carts are untampered carts whoever sells them, even a piece of shit (imo).

Why would people buy from them? Well this was a niche markt back then, few choices of where to buy your neo fix. And if you know you can get untampered 100% SNK made goods, why the fuck not. That people claim NGF would stamp carts / manuals even when asked not to....that's where a lot fo the anger comes from.

So the list covers all SNK untampered product. Anything where it is solely NGF creations is not listed. Which is right imo.

Irrespective of what the courts said, Playmore wouldn't have sued if they were happy with the shit NGF pumped out. That NGF won strikes me like thiose celebrity drink speeding cases and Mr Loophole. Irrespective of the judgement, most collectors shun NGF shit like the plague. If SNK made a product, and then NGF altered it, that is a 'freaked cart'. If the only examples of a game are freaked carts, like US Pulstar, they are not product made by SNK, therefore not listed. And I for one am glad. Well actually I collect JP carts anyway, so no freaked shit in my stash, an no chance of freaked shit either.

The lack of rights claims earlier make no sense. They say NGF have no rights, yet they list some titles whch NGF produced in english form as official titles.

So just to really try and hammer home my point, the above statement is incorrect. Woefully incorrect. NGF did not produce US Garou for example. SNK did, and US Garou can be bought with 100% manufactured SNK parts Every piece, insert, sticker, manual etc all made by SNK. NGF may have sold it, but they didn't make it.

Contrast with US Pulstar. SNK never made any US insert / manual for Pulstar homecart. NGF 'produced' English Pulstar insert on their printer, and used the English NGCD manual.

You see the difference?

Yakumo

05-05-2011, 12:17 PM

Wow, what a post. Apart from repeating quite a bit i have to agree with Wheelaa 100% in his rant over real official items and fucked up releases. I'm also one of those who hates when companies stamp their mark all over a product. I even don't like the way a turd company such as the long gone Acclaim would get credit from western mags when they released so Taito gems.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 12:23 PM

Wheelaa, as someone who hasn't lived and breathed Neo Geo then get stories people refuse to substantiate then both sides say different things, it is easy to get confused ;) I see the difference and your post does help a little but I still have issues:

I can understand that if NGF destroyed original inserts and produced their own people may not like this or the genre corrected striping or lower quality printing, but given as a distributor typically has the right to put their marks on products, NGF were a distributor and they have been accepted in part to be an official distributor, the 'NGF freaked' titles should still feature in the official lists too.

If SNK granted NGF rights which it looks like they did, removing them purely over a grudge is foolish as not all SNK official products were wholly manufactured by SNK.

To put it into a diferent context - F355 Challenge for Dreamcast was developed by Sega and published by Sega in Japan, but in Europe it was published by Acclaim (even though Sega could publish in Europe too WTF) and Acclaim put their stamp on it too, yet no non-Neo crazy would state the title is unofficial even though no one will have any links as to the rights for Acclaim to have done so.

To put the same sitution another way, Sega made an official Dreamcast fishing rod which they manufactured and distributed in Japan and the USA. They did not market this product in Europe, the officially authorised Fishing controller for the UK etc was the Mad Catz Fission controller. It was inferior to the Sega controller and manufactured by a third party to boot, but still the official product for the region regardless.

People do not have to like the quality, but they should, given Playmore's statments, accept that on the balance of probabilities NGF had the right to do so - just about every other distributor for every other game in every other region on every other platform leaves their mark, some do a better job of it than others, but the only strange thing here would be for NGF to NOT mark them in their way, thus IMO writing off every single 'NGF freak' title is unreasonable.

I would also understand people may get angry if asked for a cart not to get stamped then it was stamped, but what where the terms of the non-stamping and seriously what difference does it make? The official distributor applied the official stamp - they are no more or less collectable because of it. Now if he cattle branded the carts by melting the plastic like some rental companies, that would be an extreme I'd be particularly unhappy with, but c'mon, a sticker? -_-

Pretty much every game I buy on the high street is stickered in one way or another. On a related note pretty much every store I go to will refuse to refund video games too unless the factory seal has not been tampered with and even then they do not have any legal obligation to do so.

I also understand how people may be angry to get a japanese manual in an english version of a game, but given as people have been complaining about no manual at all, it is a start, right? ;)

Lastly:

However, the sources that lay claims to having the game, have yet to show any solid proof whatsoever, hence why the title remains away from my timeline. I require a minimum level of information for a claim to be officially recognized , but if even that minimum cannot be met, then I will NOT substantiate it here.
(http://fresa.tripod.com/proto/games/warlocks.htm)
This is the same problem I have with regards to the allegations of scamming.

Alchy

05-05-2011, 12:36 PM

I'm surprised you're having so much trouble grasping why collectors don't want labels and inserts made by a couple of guys in their garage. It's a pretty simple concept.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 12:45 PM

I'm surprised you're having so much trouble grasping why collectors don't want labels and inserts made by a couple of guys in their garage. It's a pretty simple concept.

A good game with crappy packaging is still a good game.

A crappy game with good packaging is still a crappy game.

I said it many times in many ways:

People don't have to like crap quality products and I get that, but if the official product is a crap product and they're collecting official products, there is no good reason to boycott the 'NGF freaks' by branding them as unofficial.

Brand them as crap if need be, but officially licenced crap nontheless so they should still feature in the lists IMO.

wheelaa

05-05-2011, 01:10 PM

Yakumo..sorry for the long post and duplication. Work is manic this week (year end reports) and I'm running on 2 hours kip a night, ie low batteries and my head is all over the shop.

At Legit, re my mega post - sorry if I wasn't clear. I wasn't trying to continue the NGF official or not debate (my views are clear etc). I was merely trying to expain why the NG list does not include NGF stuff. Tbh I'm past the whole official or not debate, but apologies if my post above is a little unclear (see above, no sleep, head fucked). If you feel that strongly take it up with them. I'm just saying why the list is how it is. Hell Geddon_IT (spelling?) even posted here and explained it far better than I could.

As Alchy says, a couple of wankers by and large printing shit in a garage is different to an organised company. And stickers in the manuals of $200 retail items, some of which were sold for considerably more (as Dion has shimself stated here when they became more collectible), is a problem to me. I wouldn't want to pay that kind of dough for anything other than a minty untouched product.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 01:15 PM

Wheelee this is what I'm saying, you don't have to like the quality. A distributor stickered product in good condition is still the minty untocuhed product as said stickering validates the officialness.

Now if it was a retailer putting a special offer sticker on, especially with that really crap adhesive they sometimes use, that would annoy me but irrespective of quality, the offical product with the official distributor's mark should be a non-issue in of itself and thy still blong on the list.

wheelaa

05-05-2011, 01:45 PM

And as I say, take it up with them! I didn't make the list. I agree with it, sure. But I was merely explaining to you why it is that way (or why I am led to believe it is that way). I'm not commenting, other than from my own personal viewpoint, as to whether the list is correct or not.

I was also explaining why stuff on there you thought was NGF is actually SNK.

(Also putting stickers inside manuals? And on occasion with no discernible pattern, ie one copy of a game has it page 2, another page 10? Who the fuck does that?)

Anyway, end of on this point for me. Been fun though. As I said a few posts back these cunts are not worth my time (NGF I mean, not you heh), and you've already made a liar out of me, curse yoy :) :)

Pannolino

05-05-2011, 04:34 PM

If SNK granted NGF rights which it looks like they did, removing them purely over a grudge is foolish as not all SNK official products were wholly manufactured by SNK.

To put it into a diferent context - F355 Challenge for Dreamcast was developed by Sega and published by Sega in Japan, but in Europe it was published by Acclaim (even though Sega could publish in Europe too WTF) and Acclaim put their stamp on it too, yet no non-Neo crazy would state the title is unofficial even though no one will have any links as to the rights for Acclaim to have done so.

Are you completely missing the point where this can be acceptable distributing an official released product, but incidentally become scum when you sell games which don't even exist as official counterpart on the Japanese market
simply because marketing side someone decided to not put the game on the shelf.

Being an official distributor it easy to you rip money from the people selling something like a "retrofit blablah conversion".
We're talking about very fetish and fanatic people (NG owner) so
it's like stealing candy from a child...

While i can imagine NGF had rights about distributing
i can highly doubt about issue game not released officially in home version.

If NGF won against SNKP it's just because SNK Japan was a very ridiculous company back in time
Great games but bad way of doing business or at least not clear plans.

I don't feel like the ng master list had to include NGF games just because even if you have the rights to do so, for the official released products they are just duplicated,
for the retrofits shit
they are shit
homemade stuff
they could have some hacking code for what i know
i don't see nothing official there.

so if this is the point, well let's include all the kof hacks or the homebrew games too.

LeGIt

05-05-2011, 04:39 PM

Eh? Not sure how many times I can say this in different forms :P

The list does not include retrofits, but it does include english versions of AES.

Even if they ignore the retrofits due to some doubts, they should still count the english AES releases even if they hate the 'NGF freaked' quality as there are no doubts to rights or officialness there, despite the alleged crappy quality.

Pannolino

05-05-2011, 05:13 PM

About the retrofit, is like i said somewhere else.
Building a Ferrari with spare parts just 'cause you have 'em like official distributor doesn't make that car a new model or an official Ferrari.
So i can't understand why you doubt they doubt about including retrofits in the list.
Same goes for Last Hope and Fast Striker
While they are shit for what they are (there's a lack of games there IMHO), they are not official but of course you can collect them and you don't have to argument why.

About the english releases i imagine that they count them as duplicate.
But you don't really know if freaked quality insert and stickers hide a full of wire and eproms core.
I mean .. are we sure ?
Personally i would look for not altered carts.. just to be sure no one messed with them.
But this is just me.
And i guess a similar idea work under that list. (not sure tough)

A side,
seeing english version of Pulstar would you feel confortable to include it in that list?

i wonder if the NeoGio wasn't an arcade console platform..
and Pulstar an Rpg.
Now we had a freaked english version, insert and sticker fully english and the game itself completely and heavy japanese text based. (unplayable for quite everyone)
What i mean is that this kind of tricks was possible just for the arcade feeling of the games.
Otherwise it wouldn't have been possible (or better.. non profitable) to release (or whatever you may call that) a game that the PRODUCTOR hadn't in mind to port for a different market.

wheelaa

05-05-2011, 07:27 PM

although English KoF2K is listed I believe

Doh, my mistake. It's on the price guide, and due to it's unique nature I can almost see the appeal, bar the insert, but an anal completist has to have it etc. (not me of course)

But yeah, not on the master list. Rightly so. Gah I'm beat.

retro

05-05-2011, 07:46 PM

I fully understand the desire to want the original games as they were. I understand that people wouldn't want items that were stamped or marked.

Having said that, it seems to me that NGF were official distributors back in the days of SNK. Now, we all know that distributors often repackage goods for their market, and slap their logo on it. Maybe they don't want to sell something in a Japanese box - they want it to be readable locally. Maybe the product has a notice stating it should only be sold in Japan - in which case, surely they have a legal obligation to remove that message?

If they were an official distributor, they can do what they want with their stock. And surely that's why SNK supplied artwork in various formats? In a way, it's a shame people knew they were just Japanese games with new covers.

Yes, I understand the desire to purchase unaltered Japanese carts - but obviously NGF wasn't the place to do that. Surely you'd go to Japan if that's what you wanted?

I can appreciate that people feel the quality of the NGF packaging was poor, but it's not like they're the only company to sell a product in shoddy packaging, is it?

Is it really such an issue if someone actually wants to collect games with shoddily produced packaging, all because the distributor wanted a localized version with their name on it?

http://i55.tinypic.com/316nax3.png

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5752/mastersystemiii.png

*cough*

Who remembers the Barcode Battler?

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8977/barcodebattler2complete.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8669/barcodebattlebox.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5189/dscf5426a.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/549/dyn003original650400pjp.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3493/barcodebattler58o.jpg[

Epoch... Tomy... Irwin.... they're all official. That Irwin packaging really sucks, though!

Annoying_one

05-05-2011, 09:23 PM

a fool and his money are soon parted

A. Snow

05-05-2011, 10:04 PM

derekb

05-06-2011, 03:58 AM

if Dion is the king of neo geo why doesnt he release a version of KoF2000 that doesn't cost as much as a god damn car

eat a goat dick Dion

Consumed

05-06-2011, 04:55 AM

Posted by retro:

If they were an official distributor, they can do what they want with their stock. And surely that's why SNK supplied artwork in various formats?

Yes but the English artwork that SNK supplied was of a high quality just like their JPN counterparts, the quality of the NGF inserts is questionable at best. Also, considering that NGF supposedly had full distribution/redistribution rights why does no official SNK released artwork or in-box paperwork acknowledge this fact for the North American releases? There's no mention of them anywhere on official covers or booklets whereas their European distributor Guillemot were namechecked at the very least on the back of the manuals. Does that not strike anyone else as odd?

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 05:04 AM

That is a little odd but if we look at it another way: Did Guillemot print the European manuals, or SNK, or did Guillemot pay SNK to print them on their behalf?

Even if they did, NGF may have opted for the cheaper option, which would still have been his right to do so.

The quality aspect should have no bearing on the officialness, nor should a warranty sticker make pople cry :(

Juste

05-06-2011, 05:33 AM

Doh, my mistake. It's on the price guide, and due to it's unique nature I can almost see the appeal, bar the insert, but an anal completist has to have it etc. (not me of course)

But yeah, not on the master list. Rightly so. Gah I'm beat.

But why not include this game wheelaa? After all NGF was only the distributor, it was not their creation, but maybe I misunderstand?

Dion, was NGF the sole distributor/seller of the game in the end? And if so, all 100 units were sent to you first?

wheelaa

05-06-2011, 06:02 AM

How much more biased can the owner of ng.com be?
He has the english KoF2000 listed between $500-$700!!
Everyone knows the english KoF2000 sells for $3500-$5000.
He lists it low on his price guide so he can grab it when someone contacts him trying to sell it. Once he gets the KoF2000 in his collection again, he'll adjust the price list.

One sold on ebay 2 weeks ago for $3550.
That was the first one to have been sold in the open market in 2-3 years!!

KoF2000 eBay auction - sold $3550 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=250801422941&si=BuIFSEXvIV0E5oXqlgMipVAYU4k%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)

ng.com has stooped to so many dishonest levels that it's hard to keep count. The neo fans have become aware of ng.com's biases , phantom post edits, post deletions, and manipulation and propaganda. Such a shame.
.

The majority of the price guide is out of date. Put no credence in it whatsoever, noone really does now, or they if they do, they do so knowing it does not reflect current market trends.

And as for

ng.com owner's word vs. common sense
Believe me, if the administrator at ng.com owned the rare english Pulstar, Irritating Maze, Zupapa, Bang Bead, etc...he would have included them all on that list. Once he's lucky enough to add them to his collection, they will magically appear on that so called "master list." But don't let him, as the administrator of that site, dictate to you or anyone else what is or isn't recognized.

I don't believe they will. I don't believe you. Stop spouting such shit. They will never be added I think. (Nor should they imo)

You are right though in saying don't let someone dictate what is / isn't recognised. Fact is collectors make their own mind up, they decide what they want, and for the vast majority NGF fare equates to utter shite, with one exception for some....

.....@Juste - my understanding, although I may be wrong, is that SNK produced all the materials, inserts, cart sticker, manual etc, as per any SNK made carts. NGF were the sole distributor for this cart, so were in a great position, with huge potential for more US releases. But as everything was SNK made the original insert did not mention NGF at all. But NGF couldn't have that so they shredded all the original inserts and replaced them with ones citing NGF. IE all the KoF2K US carts were tampered with. A complete run of legit carts freaked to satisfy the eog of a couple of losers. As the list does not contain freaked items it is not listed. Right imo, but I certainly don't disagree with other viewpoints on that 1 cart, and certainly not with you Juste, I respect you far too much for that. Hell, in my long post earlier I think I even stated that KoF2K US is the slight exception to general NGF freakery. It's still a POS cart to me though, and a shitty game too, but that's by the by.

Edit - actually from looking at that ended auction it looks like more was freaked. The cart sticker does not appear to have rounded corners, a la NGF usual shite (SNK carts having rounded corners of course), and I see the manual cover at least appears to have been replaced. In fact I would not be surprised if the entire US run is just more NGF garage work. Take 100 JP carts, turn them into US carts. There is however much debate about this and many people do believe that SNK did make these carts, and then NGF added their 'personal' touch. Regardless, SNK never made anything that had NGF emblazoned on it, and that is good enough for me as a collector to know what I want.

And @ Dion. You've said here a couple of times you believe that KoF2K US will become the most expensive homecart ever. Fucking lol. While there may well be more than 100 Euro KE / U11 out there, KNOWN copies are much fewer, so until that changes rarity = money, certainly in homecart terms.

Oh and gah, seems I can't help making a liar out of myself, with another ramble about those fuckers! Normally the phrase that comes to mind is 'like a fly drawn to shit', however while the shit part is valid (imo), I'm not a fly. Rubbernecking at its worst.

Consumed

05-06-2011, 06:52 AM

Juste

05-06-2011, 07:49 AM

I do share your sentiments for most things NGF wheelaa, especially the destroying of official stuff, really bad that for me.

SNK produced the english version of The King of Fighters 2000, but then NGF 'freaked' the games before distributing them? And I think to what extent is unclear? If yes, maybe Dion could explain what they did exactly, what they changed or added (other than the stamps) and what not. Or if SNK did produce them, or NGF actually did instead.

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 07:56 AM

Whoever produced them though, pending the rights were in place which they were, they would still be the official products thus worthy of that list.

wheelaa

05-06-2011, 08:51 AM

It's my understanding - if I've read everything right anyway - that the USA NGF KOF2000 is a botch job from start to finish and not a repackaging of the Japanese release, it's made from sac carts and MVS ROM chips. Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game. However you look at it, as it wasn't released by SNK in N.A or Euro territories in AES form, irrespective of how official these 100 carts are it all boils down to the fact that they're not genuine. Big, big difference. If it never existed natively 'in the wild' as this didn't then each and every copy out there is a bootleg, all be it a quasi 'official' bootleg at that.

Wow, ok, if that's true then it's just a piece of shit cart like all other NGF turd.

@Juste - Well according to the post above yours the whole thing is freaked. Regardless, if SNK did make US KoF2K they did not have any mention of NGF on it. SNK never mentioned NGF on any product. That All KoF2K US have NGF on them shows that to some extent they are freaked. I mean look at the insert and manual cover. There is the NGF 'box', so clearly the inserts and manual cover are NGF made. Whether they destroyed legit SNK fare or not, I neither know for cetain nor care. My understanding is they freaked SNK made KoF2K US carts, but maybe SNK had no hand in it at all. In fact to what extent the whole run is freaked or not, I personally don't care, elements are clearly freaked and that's enough for me and many others to shun this release for the shit it is. Consumed may well be right. Look at the cart sticker in the auction. Squared corners, an NGF trademark. Compare to official SNK carts, rounded corners. NGF is a byword for poor quality repro shite.

These make me lol hard too. Well they would if I wasn't crying at the destroyed inserts etc.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/cartsgenre_page_1.htm

For example...

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/MetalSlug.jpg

'Corrected genre stripe' insert, yet no 'corrected' sticker? What a piss poor job. If shite was that important to you Dion, why not correct the sticker? Because there's no room on there for NGF logo, and therefore no ego opportunity?

http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/TSS.jpg
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/WW7.jpg

Just wow. Not only are the 'corrected' inserts fugly, but come on, JP cart stickers and manuals. If you were really that concerned with churning out decent US product you would have made more of an effort, instead of the token 'corrected' inserts. And even from those crappy quality piccies you can see the NGF inserts are crappy quality (compare them to the sharpness / vividness of the cart stickers / manuals).

I only choose these three games as they are among my favourite Neo titles, but many of the piccies on the 1st link above are painful to look at.

NGF corrected inserts were an ego trip, nothing more, nothing less. Not done for the good of the product, just done to try and make NGF players or some such shit. Hell he's even stated he staged shit just to be remembered / talked about. And I suppose it worked. As Dion has pointed out people still talk about this chuff some 10 years on. What he fails to realise though is that craving the attention of people he doesn't know, who don't him, is beyond pathetic. Look at me, look at me. Wow. We should all be flattered Dion that you crave our attention so much. Oh wait, the majority of people view you in a negative light.

Any yes Legit, or broken record man (like me too), your point is valid. But as with most things in life poeple choose what they wish to believe, be that aliens living among us, or NGF as unofficial shit (regardless of some lame judgement). And when it comes to Neo Geo homecarts, the majority of collectors shun NGF products.

Edit

@ Consumed

Do you have a link to this

Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game.

If so, that would prove that the whole KoF2K US is just faked shit, regardless of one's stance on NGF 'official or not'.

Edit 2

@ Juste

Given how much I respect you as a collector, would you mind if I used this quote of yours as my sig?

I do share your sentiments for most things NGF wheelaa, especially the destroying of official stuff, really bad that for me.

Unless that is not allowed Legit?

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 09:06 AM

hehe wheelaa I am stil l broken record and people r welcome to shun them if they desire, but shunning them and marking them unofficial are two things.

They should be listed as official but shunned, not shunned and unofficial - if people know they exist on the list, they could then decide if they wnt to buy them or not. Removing them from the list altogther is stupid.

The Metal slug corrected insert and uncorrected sticker looks a little odd when put together, but there are such things as human error - or are all corrected titles like that?

As for no room for his logo, I don't see the NGF logo anywhere near as big as distributors such as Acclaim or Tectoy on there.

As for square or rounded corners on the sticker, it really doesn't bother me - the official AES carts came in two forms of cases, the official labels for all I care come in rounded or squared corners too.

Pannolino

05-06-2011, 09:15 AM

back at the time SNK Japan didn't give a shit about what it can be done with they propriety outside Japan.
That's a fact.
Now you can say all of that shit is legit
and i'm agree.
Not acting like a proper distributor but being in the wild doing all that conversions give me a good reason to think that while still legit all NGF are fake.
Still legit but very far from what the productor had in mind.
And i guess you can open all that Kof 2k2 carts discovering a good eprom and wiring work for what you know.

Of course someone want to pay 3k or whatever for that RARE cart
i don't blame him
Collecting is a blues everyone can play the way they like.

But i hope EVERYones can see the BIG difference, still singing the rights and entitlement song.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannolino
A side, seeing english version of Pulstar would you feel confortable to include it in that list?

Now we had a freaked english version, insert and sticker fully english and the game itself completely and heavy japanese text based. (unplayable for quite everyone)

Otherwise it wouldn't have been possible (or better.. non profitable) to release (or whatever you may call that) a game that the PRODUCTOR hadn't in mind to port for a different market.

Language displayed is system specific
Pulstar was released in in english form on mvs and dc for United States and England, and other English speaking countries.

All negeo aes/mvs titles (except for quiz and mahjong titles) were programmed with both japanese and english text. The game will play accordingto the system.

Same aes cartridge.....pluged into a system....
Japanese AES/MVS system = Japanese text
English AES/MVS system = English text

English Pulstar, along with other NGF english releases should be included in any and all lists.

oh, so the NeoGeo is region free?
:evil:

man, this is what i was trying to explain lol
this makes your tricks possible back at the time.
Quiz and mahjong titles are better examples then a Pulstar Rpg of course.

Do we have a Chibi Marukochan Deluxe Quiz english and "Freak" version with stamp and corrected insert?
(serious question)

Funny you mention Ferrari.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_P4/5_by_Pininfarina
it's an one shot homebrew car (with a HUGE aid from Pininfarina who usually work with Ferrari) which incidentally and eventually got the badge of official Ferrari.
Being a marketing move i cant see how it can be connected with a regular cart making job like the Pulstar one and the conversions, selling them to people for making real money,
and to mass produce regardless it has been ever released in home format or localized.
Again .. legit.. but fake.

Christer-swe

05-06-2011, 10:29 AM

Again .. legit.. but fake.

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

synbiosfan

05-06-2011, 10:47 AM

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

In this context it makes sense though.

Pannolino

05-06-2011, 10:57 AM

:confused: That's a serious contradiction!

it depends on what you base your point of you of course.
If you can handle an heavy altered product then it may be still "original" to you.
If you brave enough and opening the cart you discover a lot of wires work and eprom everywhere, you can still consider that product MADE by Snk?

I think not.

Still it would be an official product, rights side.
But had NGF the rights to dstributing something never existed?
This would be an interesting point. :evil:

in the end, hey.. companies have the rights to steal resources from the afrikans while they are busy to kill each other with the support of our governments
That's a serious contradiction!

i hope you don't get this late wall someone here (me too) has builded against NGF shit as "hey he's a criminal, let's call the navy seals and CIA"

just debating.

I'm considering buying my first NeoGeo game in the meanwhile
What do you think about Ninja Combat?

wheelaa

05-06-2011, 10:57 AM

The Metal slug corrected insert and uncorrected sticker looks a little odd when put together, but there are such things as human error - or are all corrected titles like that?

It seems that where SNK made legit US carts and NGF then printed out their corrected crap, that all NGF did was change the insert. Look at Slug 2, Sengoku 2, Andro Dunos, Cyberlip, Eightman, both Baseball piccies and so on. Hardly quality control.

For titles where SNK only made a JP insert, the majority again to appear to only have a freaked insert. However there is the Pulstar with NGCD manual, and this freaked shit.
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/ShockTroopers2.jpg
How low grade is that freaked cart sticker? Or they appear to be just simple converions, where's the Blazing Star manual?

So even their corrected crap is inconsistent, and at best only partially corrected. The general rule being that they only freaked inserts. For people who seem to care so much about genre striping this is incredibly lax. I guess the ego to cost / effort ratio was too little.

Also check out the Euro Kizuna pictured there. It's clearly a fake!

(Obviously their conversions, Zupapa et al are all freaked through and through as there was NO SNK homecart original for them to freak)

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 11:55 AM

When you are playing the game, do you look at the label or the screen? The shock troopers 2 label just looks like a label to me, it has all of the information you need on there and does it's job - is it supposed to be in 1080p and 3d too or? :P

Even if you're dissatisfied with the quality of the insert or label, if the official quality is crap quality there is no justification for shunning them from the list of official products, just elect shun them from your own personal collection.

I know it is not your list, but as you agree with the list, if I can convert you I can maybe I can convert the crazies too lol.

Pannolino

05-06-2011, 12:08 PM

so basically if the neo geo was a cd based platform
selling cd-r and homeprinted booklet with a good hand marked label on the disc would be the SAME for you?

eh, but it has the rights to do so.
a label it's just a label
etc

wheelaa

05-06-2011, 12:09 PM

Convert! Gold! Bad choice of words when talking about homecarts lol.

You're right, when I play a game I look at the screen.

But when I'm fapping my collector's throbber, well then I'm looking at the insert, sticker and so on. Nothing like a freaked insert / sticker to usher in Mr Floppy in place of Mr Hard.

This boy is not for turning though. I will never recognise anything NGF as official. And who's to say I'm not a crazy ;)

cyberguile

05-06-2011, 12:19 PM

wheelaa, did you have your hands on a legit copy of pal kizuna encounter ? (totally off topic question but I've been quiet obsessed with this game lately lol)

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 12:22 PM

Pannolino would I prefer a CD-R? No

But if the only official recourse was CD-R, then I see no reson to leave CD-R off the official list.

If people then didn't want to buy it for whatever reason it is then their choice, but it shouldn't be their choice to say it is unofficial when the rights are in place just because the medium is different - that is just daft and the same applies to NGF freaked items too.

Pannolino

05-06-2011, 12:37 PM

do you only concern about kof 2k2?
If so .. i have no doubt it should be included in the list,
there's a logic in your words, of course.

for the rest of catalogue, being game released officially by SNK itself i don't see the reason to include the doubled NGF release.

Dion

05-06-2011, 12:39 PM

There's no mention of them anywhere on official covers or booklets whereas their European distributor Guillemot were namechecked at the very least on the back of the manuals. Does that not strike anyone else as odd?

NGF distributor box
Our titles also have the NGF distributor box on the back of the inserts. It clearly states the game is made available with exclusive agreements between snk and NeoGeoFreak.

Guilemot home printed black/white manuals(not full color) with their name and logo on the back. Those should also still be considered official, but listed as a different counrty/language version.(my opinion)

That is a little odd but if we look at it another way: Did Guillemot print the European manuals, or SNK, or did Guillemot pay SNK to print them on their behalf?

Even if they did, NGF may have opted for the cheaper option, which would still have been his right to do so.

The quality aspect should have no bearing on the officialness, nor should a warranty sticker make pople cry :(

Our option was only on providing genre corrected inserts for the games that needed them. Most of the fighting games needed no correction, so those were left as is. All games did include the NGF distributor/warranty sticker on the side. Those could easily be removed if the person didn't care for any type of warranty or proof of origin.

maybe Dion could explain what they did exactly, what they changed or added (other than the stamps) and what not. Or if SNK did produce them, or NGF actually did instead.

KoF2000
The KoF2000 came to use, as is, directly from snk-japan. It was a special commission that NeoGeoFreak ordered and snk-japan included our NGF distributor box on the back of the insert and manual.

We wanted the "NGF" on the spine and the "NGF Global" logo on the front, but snk didn't agree. If we would have been involved or printed the insert ourselves (as people try to claim), those extra NGF logos would have been present. (logos can be seen on all our mass release titles)

Dion himself has said that he got people to make them for him and the payment he gave them for 20 conversions was a copy of the game.

Mass release titles
Those were only for our official mass release titles of:
Bang Bead, Bust-a-Move, Diggerman, Irritating Maze, ZedBlade, and Zupapa.

At the time after KoF2000, snk-japan and aruze were no longer going to produce any more aes titles. Aruze/snk-japan granted us authorization for release of those titles, but at our own expense for production. Those we had a community collaboration on those projects. (playmore later purchased the IP rights and restarted aes/mvs pproduction)

Do we have a Chibi Marukochan Deluxe Quiz english and "Freak" version with stamp and corrected insert? (serious question)

Variety inserts
Originally we had plans to provide NGF genre correct inserts for all the variety games, but as many people in the USA didn't care to collect the japanese language variety games and the demand was low, we never followed through with that idea. Those inserts would have had the exact same look as all the other inserts, but with a pink variety genre stripe.

For titles where SNK only made a JP insert, the majority again to appear to only have a freaked insert. However there is the Pulstar with NGCD manual,
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/ShockTroopers2.jpg
How low grade is that freaked cart sticker?

So even their corrected crap is inconsistent, and at best only partially corrected. The general rule being that they only freaked inserts.

wheelaa, you're actually correct. For the most part, we only offered the corrected inserts so the games would look aesthetically pleasing when all lined up on a shelf. We didn't change the sticker or manual covers as we felt that was a minor detail. Also, some people requested the game come with both the original insert and the genre correct insert. But we also provided the genre correct inserts sold individually.

I guess you can say a lot was inconsistent, but we did try our best to offer inserts that looked good when lined up together.

Some games did have genre correct english stickers, and those are of extreme high quality. Super glossy and very, very nice looking.
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Alchy

05-06-2011, 12:52 PM

We wanted the "NGF" on the spine and the "NGF Global" logo on the front, but snk didn't agree.Quelle surprise.

LeGIt

05-06-2011, 01:13 PM

for the rest of catalogue, being game released officially by SNK itself i don't see the reason to include the doubled NGF release.

The list has provision for MVS, AES, Japanese and English releases. I see no reason for the NGF freaked english titles to be excluded when other english titles are present.

If people just want non-freaked tems, they should stick to the Japanese releases only - it should be that simple.

Dion

05-06-2011, 02:45 PM

Quelle surprise.

Not really a surprise as snk did allow for placement of the snk/NGF agreement backbox. Having our NGF call letters and NGF Global logo also included was worth a shot. It's always better to ask and try to get as much as you can, rather than always wonder what could have been.

Had we not asked for the exclusive english release of KoF2000, snk may have stopped all future production all together. snk originally said that the japanese KoF2000 was to be the last title released. After playmore purchased snk's IPs, and they saw the demand was still active, they decided to continue.

No one will truly ever know what would have happened if aruze didn't sell the snk IP brand to playmore. Aruze/snk were exiting the video game market and were only going to concentrate on slot and pachinko machines.
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Consumed

05-06-2011, 03:45 PM

If as you say KOF2000 was a special commission then SNK/Aruze would have been acting unethically and quite possibly even illegally by refusing you the right to have your name on the cover and spine. To all intents and purposes the game was yours and not theirs so should have been packaged however you saw fit and not them so it's very strange that your request was turned down.

Taken from the proto thread:

03-10-2011 #158
TonK
Member

Having held and owned a NGF KOF2K, I know its the real deal. Although it wasnt printed by SNK Japan.

Well if it indeed was a genuine release who did the printing? If it was NGF and you had all the rights that you said you had you could have printed whatever you wanted on the insert and not had to worry about comebacks or repercussions.

The thing is we'll never know the truth. You put a Japanese KOF2000 cart in a USA or Euro machine and voila, it's in English, put the USA cart in an NTSC_J machine and the ingame language will automatically default to Japanese. The only thing that differentiates an 'ulta rare' USA cart from its extra common JPN counterpart is the sleeve and manual. You're paying ridiculous sums of money for bits of paper, not games, paper.

Dion

05-06-2011, 05:05 PM

caren103

05-06-2011, 06:04 PM

Regarding the Guillemot versions, I want to clarify, at least for the games from such distributor I own:

- Guillemot includes its black and white manual, is true, BUT it includes too the ORIGINAL and unaltered game manual.

- Guillemot includes a sticker with the game argument translation to French stickered in the box... but it si stickered in the transparent plastic of the box, so the original insert is unaltered.

I don't know if this works for all Guillemot distributed AES games, but at least it is true for the games I own.

Dion, I would like to ask you:

- Why only correct inserts to English, and not too the stickers and manuals?

- When started and ended your SNK distribution rights? I ask this because I've read from you here you were given rights from Aruze, and this would mean rights would start at least from 2000, and not before.

- Also, here you say the KOF2000 English manuals, stickers and inserts were sent printed directly from SNK Japan, but I seem to recall reading here that you had the files and comissioned to a USA company to print them. Is 100% sure all were sent printed from Japan?

Juste

05-06-2011, 06:24 PM

Hehe, I don't mind wheelaa, sig away. ^_^

Dion

05-06-2011, 09:27 PM

Dion, I would like to ask you:

- Why only correct inserts to English, and not too the stickers and manuals?

Savings
Cost savings. Plus since the cartridge and manuals were placed inside the box, we felt the insert was more important for the genre stripes as so people could display the games in genre order.

- When started and ended your SNK distribution rights? I ask this because I've read from you here you were given rights from Aruze, and this would mean rights would start at least from 2000, and not before.

1996-1997
NeoGeoFreak distribution rights started around 1996-1997 with snk.
We were still working with snk when Aruze became their parent.
When Aruze/snk were to stop production of future aes/mvs releases, they granted us exclusive rights for the mass release titles Bang Bead, Diggerman, Irritating Maze, Zupapa, etc...

We worked closely with snk-japan during the Aruze years. We eventually got to meet Aruze chief international director and were invited as guests to speak on neogeo games at the Aruze booth at the Tokyo Game Show 2001. Those were great times.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/ngfpics/C&Dworking1b.jpg

Aruze later sold the complete IP rights to playmore. At that point we ended our tenure involving distribution of neogeo aes software.

- Also, here you say the KOF2000 English manuals, stickers and inserts were sent printed directly from SNK Japan, but I seem to recall reading here that you had the files and comissioned to a USA company to print them. Is 100% sure all were sent printed from Japan?

You're probably mistaken for the times we did the mass release of Zupapa and other titles. We created a web page that stated the inserts, manuals, stickers were all printed in the USA.

As I stated plenty of times before, KoF2000 was direct from snk. If we had printed them locally, our NGF call letters would be placed on the spine and our "NGF Global" logo would have graced the front of the insert, as all our mass release titles show.

KoF2000: snk/ngf agreement backbox
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/KoF2000.jpg

Bang Bead: agreement backbox, call letters, global logo (upper corner insert/manual)
http://www.neogeofreak.com/carts/aes/english/Bang_Bead.jpg

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LeGIt

05-07-2011, 03:15 AM

The only thing that differentiates an 'ulta rare' USA cart from its extra common JPN counterpart is the sleeve and manual. You're paying ridiculous sums of money for bits of paper, not games, paper.

Very true.
Same can be said for all english games such as kizuna encounter, metal slug, ninja master's, double dragon, real bout, real bout special, MotW, KoF2000.more than their American released versions. It all depends on how badly a collector wants something that ultimately determines price.

IMO it is more than the paper, but the legal issue too.

Sony for example had a fit when Lik Sang etc were selling Japanese products to the worldwide market. I didn't like Sony's WTFPWN response, but there is some method to their madness.

Only a small minority would have bought the Japanese releases and many that did would buy their regional releases too, plus the majority of customers will buy whatver shit is shovelled into their terriritory regardless, so the perceived revenue issues should be a non issue as from many customers Sony still got paid once but sometimes paid twice. I accept due to the PSP being region free it may have had a neglible impact on regional sales. it shouldn't have negatively affected overall worldwide monetary gain, but in fact increase their earnings.

What is an issue though is that Lik Sang were redistributing without consent or rights, or even without certification that the items passed regional health and safety laws. Now if a lone person decides to sell something from their own personal collection that is frowned upon but less of an issue. When a distributor does it en masse it becomes a legally actionable position worthy of attention. Sony could overlook this as they got paid once sometimes twice, but they did not grant permission to do so thus it is their right to kick up a fuss of they wished, so they did.

You did yourself a small disservice Dion by looking at it from a material aspect only. IMO by the same logic, you're not just paying for the paper, when you buy an NGF freaked title with the quality issues set aside, you're paying for the rights to own an officially distributed product for your territory too, not just another bootleg.

caren103

05-07-2011, 09:59 AM

You did yourself a small disservice Dion by looking at it from a material aspect only. IMO by the same logic, you're not just paying for the paper, when you buy an NGF freaked title with the quality issues set aside, you're paying for the rights to own an officially distributed product for your territory too, not just another bootleg.

This is completely true: you pay for "the paper", but above that, you're paying for an OFFICIALLY DISTRIBUTED PRODUCT.

First, thank you very much for answering those questions, Dion.

What I would like to ask too is why if your rights are still "alive", why don't simply make joint ventures granting rights through you with other partners?

If Atomikwave can make money from conversions, if Neoconception can make money from games and pay Visco its part, if NG-Dev Team can make some money from making a game from scratch-designing new MVS boards-marketing and selling the games... it sure you can obtain some money in a joint venture in which you could provide rights, art files, etc., for reediting AES games as English KOF2000 or others people would be happy to own for an affordable price.

Alas, doing that, is what I would call really loving the Neo.

Dion

05-07-2011, 11:59 AM

First, thank you very much for answering those questions, Dion.

What I would like to ask too is why if your rights are still "alive", why don't simply make joint ventures granting rights through you with other partners?

We've discussed this with a few people, but there really isn't a great deal of money to be made. Also there was such a bad propaganda campaign about NGF spread by ng.com, that many people were feared being stigmatized.

If Atomikwave can make money from conversions, if Neoconception can make money from games and pay Visco its part, if NG-Dev Team can make some money from making a game from scratch-designing new MVS boards-marketing and selling the games... it sure you can obtain some money in a joint venture in which you could provide rights, art files, etc.,

You guys really believe that story on visco and neoconception?
When NGF said we have righgts, people everywhere didn't believe and they demanded to see some proof. Playmore posted on their web site and some people still find it hard to believe. Along comes one guy and posts he received some rights and people believe? LMAO!!....

Anyway.....NGF was contacted by NeoConception. Him and I have chatted many, many times and we go very far back together. I sold him many neogeo games and NGF inserts back in the late 1999/2000. He had a nice collection. He's a nice guy. He's kool with me, I'm kool with him.

He too was worried about the fans reaction if we provided him with the insert. But alas, we didn't have any art, so he had his friend create something. I think he is doing fine and I love to see people supporting the neogeo.

Written consent
But also, there are a few games that we don't have repackaging rights. Plus, we can not legally sell or transfer our rights without written permission from playmore.
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Dion

05-07-2011, 12:06 PM

Genre line up
Older photo of my collection, circa spring 2000. Lined up by genre, then alphabetical.
All NGF genre correct inserts are officially authorized and licensed by snk.

Fighting(red)
(KoF99, MotW, Last Blade 2 were the newest fighters)
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/dionsc1.jpg

Shooting(blue) and Action(orange) (SlugX was the newest action game)
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/dionsc2.jpg

Sports(green), Racing(grey), Puzzle(yellow)
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/dionsc3.jpg

Puzzle and Japanese only variety games
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/dionsc4.jpg

If you look closely you'll see Ironclad and Fun Fun Brothers.
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Pannolino

05-07-2011, 12:52 PM

is the watermark saying "ruined by Dion Dakis"'? O_o

caren103

05-07-2011, 01:11 PM

You guys really believe that story on visco and neoconception?
When NGF said we have righgts, people everywhere didn't believe and they demanded to see some proof. Playmore posted on their web site and some people still find it hard to believe. Along comes one guy and posts he received some rights and people believe? LMAO!!.....

- I, as other people did, have contacted personally Visco, and Visco told me that it was true and they have given rights for Bang2Busters.

Even with that, Neoconception told me that Visco was going to publish the game release at his web, or even if Visco didn't do that, he will show the contract to given proof of that: at least, this is what he told me, and truly I expect this to be done, as promised.

Neoconception is Neoayato, by the way?

- Regarding making money, life is not all about money, and even making little money is good if it involves little effort, but you make happy a lot of people... it would be a spiritual profit.

- Regarding the Playmore press release, it recognizes those titles were authorized with THE CORRECTED ENGLISH INSERTS (no sticker, manual, or conversion explicity named there, although in the list are showed some MVS only games), BUT this does not mean the starting date of that right.

I mean, I've read Alicia Barone denied you had any rights while SNK USA was going on; as no documentary proof is shown this is false, I would continue believing is Aruze who gave you rights (starting year 2000), so all before that date would be not official, and all manufactured after that date would be official.

Dion, could you show the contract giving you distribution rights to end this eternal doubt about when rights started, and what they granted?

caren103

05-07-2011, 03:01 PM

I answered your questions in the proper NGF history thread.
If you have legeitimate NGF/snk history questions you want answered, please ask the questions to the NGF History thread so others can follow along..

Well, I believe my last questions regarding rights has been answered in the other thread through a more general question, so thanks for it.

Also, I believe all questions in a forum are legitimated, as long as they are asked in a polite manner.

Consumed

05-07-2011, 03:59 PM

I don't mean to bang on about your release of KOF2000 but one thing still doesn't make sense. If as you say you asked SNK/Aruze to allow you to have your logo's on the packaging and they said no, why then didn't you just recreate your own insert once you took delivery of your specially commissioned consignment of 100 carts? After all, according to you you had the rights to reproduce any art so surely you'd be well within the terms of the contract you had to create another sleeve that highlighted your involvement in its release like you have done on dozens of others of their titles and your own 6 mass released titles? Your name appears on the back of the manual, was this manual created by you or SNK? If it was SNK it seems rather churlish on their part to namecheck you on the booklet but not the sleeve. It just doesn't weigh up.

Also, interestingly all the carts you've got in the above photo's may be genre correct but none of them have the NGF logo on the spines that your customers had, they just say SNK or SNK ADK.

LeGIt

05-07-2011, 04:07 PM

I think part of your issue can be explained consumed (I left you feedback by the way - ta!)

NGF did 3 functions: import, distribute and publish.

The imported titles, well they didn't get shit for that unless they did their own inserts, which they had the right to do for many titles so they freaked em, as is an importer's right.

Distributing, well all they got for that was their name in a box on the back, as is a distributors right.

As for publishing their mass release titles, they then got their name on the front and the spine too, as is a publisher's right.

It seems pretty logical thinking about it this way as it does make sense when compared with other establishments doing these functions too, though most firms appear to do one or the other, not the whole shebang.

caren103

05-07-2011, 04:21 PM

No problemo.
Feel free to check out www.beta-zero.com (http://www.beta-zero.com/aplic/novedades.php) for the new NGF interview. Also talks in the forum thread Entrevista a Dion Dakis (NeoGeoFreak) (http://www.beta-zero.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?133291). Questions asked in the thread will be included in the part 2 and future parts of the exclusive interview.

Many photos have already been posted, plus many new photos in the future interview.
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Thanks for the info: I already knew it, as I collaborated with the interview redacting some questions for it :-) .

Pannolino

05-07-2011, 04:25 PM

yeah but why Dion didn't collect his own releases with all the NGF stuff on them?

LeGIt

05-07-2011, 04:29 PM

You mean KoF2000? It was probably released in distributor mode, but the rights to freak it were a result of the settlement.

Pannolino

05-07-2011, 04:35 PM

no i mean the rest of the games distributed with the ngfreaked insert etc

Dion

05-07-2011, 04:57 PM

yeah but why Dion didn't collect his own releases with all the NGF stuff on them?

Look 9 posts above on this page!!!!
Both Chris and myself had our complete collection with the official NGF inserts.
Haven't you seen the photos of our collections? I've posted close up shots on this thread showing our collections with NGF inserts.

Dion's personal collection - with official NGF inserts
http://www.neogeofreak.com/dion/bigpic_a.jpg

Chris' personal collection - with official NGF inserts
http://www.neogeofreak.com/chris/cartwall.jpg
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Pannolino

05-07-2011, 05:04 PM

O_o that's a complete collection...

but is the same photos of the close up, up there.. right?

what i mean is.... i thought to get a NGF stamped on the spine.

I was not drunken when i saw that.

mmm

Unreleated Edit: now i'm.. °_°

derekb

05-07-2011, 07:48 PM

just dropping in to call Dion a cock sucker

Alchy

05-07-2011, 09:00 PM

just dropping in to call Dion a cock suckerYou're just making him look better. Stop doing that.

derekb

05-07-2011, 09:19 PM

You're just making him look better. Stop doing that.

:thumbsup:

ConsoleFun

05-08-2011, 03:32 AM

:thumbsup:

I just added someone to my ignore list... feels better already ;-)

LeGIt

05-09-2011, 02:02 AM

Well you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I had a pop over at N-G top say hello and see if anyone can prove their stories to shed a different light. Naturally, no one proved anything beyond the published documents and there are a couple of idiots there for sure, but a couple of nicer chaps too who just don't get me or the way the world works which is a shame.

Going through the documents it does look like Dion took *some* liberties and it is strange that the court orders a list of approved games, but Playmore removed 9 titles and amended arcade-only to some of them on their press release. I suspect they felt the court order was too broad and against their intentions, but the court order should stand regardless.

I don't see why it is so hard for people to accept that if they have an allegation, they must substantiate it before they are deemed worthy of a response and sadly several sheep follow suit - it is established rudimentary civil manner yet they are evidently blind to it, perhaps because they are not civilised in any way shape or form.

The bottom line though, whatever Dion did or didn't do is in the past and the Neo community are not without guilt too. Basically all sides are doing some form of bullshitting, exaggeration or being economical with the truth (even Playmore) and people will never find the answers they are looking for because of this. The story is bigger than one man and people will refuse to believe what Dion says regardless which basically gets no one anywhere.

Dion has been nothing but calm and polite here and that is how we judge him. We've all done stupid shit - heck on Phantasy Star Online I used to reset peoples consoles for the fun of it, or worse even overwrite their hundreds of hours maximum level character with a low level NOL and they lost all of their effort in an instant. The thing is though, I grew up and got on with it - I'm not so sure the Neo community can or will ever do the same.

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 03:02 AM

legit

you probly right but parties will ever admit it. which is why dion gets a ration of shit. as you said Dion took *some* liberties which he claims he had rights to do. which makes lot feel funny about the other parts and with the multitude of testimonials to the contray. which many have moved on and are not here anymore to give you the reissueing of those. its along litigated public discussion.

if people just admited they didnt do everything by the book im sure it would go along way to fixing the problem.

Dion

05-09-2011, 03:12 AM

NeoGeoFreak distributed AES
The fact remains that NeoGeoFreak (not dion, not chris) was an authorized distributor for the neogeo aes market licensed by snk-japan.

Apple and EEI distributed MVS
snk also had a company named Apple Distributors who was in charge of MVS coin op and Neo Print distribution. SNK later let a company named EEI (electronics entertainment international) distribute mvs in the USA and Mexico.

SNK-USA distributed Playstation, Xbox, and Nintendo ports, and Neo Pocket.
SNK-USA didn't want to bother with the mvs or aes distribution. SNK-USA wanted to concentrate their efforts on NeoPocket, playstation, xbox, and nintendo ports and other gaming sales, thus letting other companies handle mvs and aes sales/distribution.
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Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 03:14 AM

dion have you ever taken liberties with some details of your snk etc rights?

caren103

05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

I had a pop over at N-G top say hello and see if anyone can prove their stories to shed a different light. Naturally, no one proved anything beyond the published documents and there are a couple of idiots there for sure, but a couple of nicer chaps too who just don't get me or the way the world works which is a shame.

* This is not correct: you have been given there the DHP neo-geo list to read (link which appears too at this same subforum: http://replay.web.archive.org/20050306231453/http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/ ), some compilations about what happened those "old years", etc. : another thing is if you have not read this, and/or not intepretating correctly what there is written (the DHP lists post in itself is very clarifying about what was going on through during those years).

Alicia Barone herself stated Dion did not have any rights granted from SNK USA those years, and she refered Dion as a "customer".

Beyond that, reading the DHP posts from those years, and what people was "discovering", shows Barone was telling the truth.

Regarding the legal documentation posted, the final one it is uncomplete, and not "Exhibit A" appears on it, so I don't know from where you take your conclussion about games from the "Exhibit A" which is not appearing in that last document (there are some "Exhibit A" in other previous document, but I don't know if it would be the same or not).

http://valou.ludo.free.fr/NEO/Copie%20de%20playmore_1.pdf

(There appears a list or Playmore games, but NOT the list that has to be marked as "Exhibit A").

The only documents which could throw more light about all this would be:

- Any rights contracts demonstrating SNK USA gave rights to Dion before the Aruze days, which would show Alicia Barone lied.

- Any rights contracts demonstrating Aruze gave rights to Dion: reading the Playmore press release, I tend to believing in fact Aruze effectivily would have given/sold rights to Dion from 2000, but anyway it would be great to read the document.

* Things are: if someone claims something, he is in not way in a forum obligated to show proof about all of his claims; but then, everyone is free to arrive at some personal conclussions with all the available information and documentation which can be as valid as the claims of that other person (even more, if it's read that other person has been caught in lies more than once).

* Regarding the "d.b.a" issue, I read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_business_as

"The phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase) "doing business as" (abbreviated DBA or d/b/a) is a legal term (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_writing) used in the United States, meaning that the trade name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_name), or fictitious business name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias), under which the business or operation is conducted and presented to the world is not the legal name of the legal person (or persons) who actually own it and are responsible for it. In other countries the expressions operating as (abbreviated o/a) or trading as (abbreviated T/A) are used for a similar purpose. The desired name might not have been registerable, or the business might be owned by another company, franchisee, or a sole proprietorship, resulting in all legally binding transactions taking place on behalf of the trading as name eg. MacDonalds T/A My Enterprises Inc. The distinction between an actual and a "fictitious" name is important because businesses with "fictitious" names give no obvious indication of the entity that is legally responsible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_liability) for their operation."

According to the legal documentation of the trial, and reading this and the link Dion posted, the legal name of the legal person who actually own the NGF fictious business name and is responsible for it, is Dion Dakis (Chris does not is named as that there), so I would interpret any contracts signed with NGF would be signed with Dion, according to that.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8750/playmore.jpg

* Regarding the "backwardility" of rights, I don't know in the USA, but in Spain rights does not work backwards.

So an item sold without rights before obtaining rights, would continue being always unofficial.

Perhaps in the USA that works different.

LeGIt

05-09-2011, 01:25 PM

I saw the DHP lists already and the only thing they did really was disprove Adol's allegations of EPROM and 47 wires (plus I think they were added in a post edit or something). As I said I have seen the stories, but without proof they are just stories aka unsupported allegations.

This harks back to my point, Alicia Barone 'stated', hence she didn't prove anything nor is there any reasonable grounds to assume she would know (if it was indeed her who posted on Yahoo). That is not to say she would not got wind of things, but it doesn't man she would know the whole story too.

The final document is not likely to be incompelete, except for the confidential settlement terms. What happens when there is an exhibit A, the seme exhibit will be exhibit A throughout the whole case - if there was an exhibit A at each submission the case would otherwise have many exhibit A's which would become confusing thus pointless. I hope this helps.

You are right that isf someone has an allegation they don't have to show proof, BUT if they want their claim to either be resolved or believed, then proof becomes helpful or even ncessary, see how this works? To be honest without it Dion could have a good case for libel/slander.

If you are going to ruin someone's reputation, it would make sense you do a thorough job so the shit sticks, hence again: It is not what you know, but what you can prove.

It is a point which is becoming increasingly relevant.

caren103

05-09-2011, 01:46 PM

I saw the DHP lists already and the only thing they did really was disprove Adol's allegations of EPROM and 47 wires (plus I think thy wre dded in a post edit or something). As I said I have seen the stories, but without proof they are just stories aka unsupported allegations.

This harks back to my point, Alicia Barone 'stated', hence she didn't proe anything nor is there any reasonable grounds to assume she would know (if it was indeed her who posted on Yahoo). That is not to say she would not got wind of things, but it doesn't man she would know the whole story too.

The final document is not likely to be incompelete, except for the confidential settlement terms. What happens when there is an exhibit A, the seme exhibit will be exhibit A throughout the whole case - if there was an exhibit A at each submission the case would otherwise have many exhibit A's which would become confusing thus pointless. I hope this helps.

You are right that isf someone has an allegation they don't have to show proof, BUT if they want their claim to either be resolved or believed, then proof becomes helpful or even ncessary, see how this works? To be honest without it Dion could have a good case for libel/slander.

If you are going to ruin someone's reputation, it would make sense you do a thorough job so the shit sticks, hence again: It is not what you know, but what you can prove.

It is a point which is becoming increasingly relevant.

- Here nobody is to ruin someone's reputation, or at least not I am doing so. But I am interested in knowing all confirmed facts I can about all I have read through the years, from one side and from the other.

You can NOT accuse so easily someone, being me or others, to try to ruin anybody's reputation.

- In the DHP listing is way MORE than Adol's case, and reading there you can not disprove Adol's allegations, but in the contrary, he stated that same story back then.

Perhaps not 47 wires, but the story was the same in the DHP list back then.

So please, read it again, and not only Ado'ls.

- You take credit off about Alicia Barone words back then, when she was part of SNK USA, and daughter of the president of SNK USA. Her words and appearance had a great impact back then in which was going on with Dion claims.

To demonstrate Alicia Barone lied, writing proof has to be shown: you don't show that proof, then according to your very same way of work with all this, you're wrong.

- "You are right that isf someone has an allegation they don't have to show proof, BUT if they want their claim to either be resolved or believed, then proof becomes helpful or even ncessary, see how this works? To be honest without it Dion could have a good case for libel/slander."

This is a forum, not a trial court, sometimes you seem to forget this: and if someone affirms X, any member can ask proof of it, that of course can be showed or not, but if not shown, X could be as truth as not.

Thing I would like to know without any doubt is about the preAruze years: what was going on there regarding rights?

Because the Playmore press release only shows that when Playmore bought from Aruze the IPs, Dion had some rights, which could have been acquired by him from Aruze the very same day before Playmore buying those IPs.

So according to the Barone words, the DHP lists, the claims of the people back then, I would like to know if really in the preAruze years Dion had no rights at all, or by the contrary he had them.

LeGIt

05-09-2011, 01:58 PM

Adol's story changes like the sands of time - sadly as I stated before it has more holes than swiss cheese, more twists than a drill bit and is ultimately unsubstantiated.

caren103 clearly you do not understand what I am saying or trolling. I never once stated or implied Alicia Brone lied, so you are creating an issue that didn't exist, perhaps to try and make me look bad. For all they know they could be telling the truth, but they may not have had the whole truth. Also there was no supporting documents so yeah - still just a story.

I do not forget this is a forum, but as posted in the words of N-G there is a minimum amount of information which has to be met for it to be accepted and without proof...

If people can't even argue a case on a forum properly, god help them before a judge which is relevant as many people claim to want to go to court against Dion... but with what? lol

caren103

05-09-2011, 02:06 PM

caren103 clearly you do not understand what I am saying or trolling.

Yes, I have the same feeling from you: Legit clearly you do not understand what I'm saying or trolling.

LeGIt

05-09-2011, 02:24 PM

Why would I troll though? It makes no sense.

I know exactly what you're saying (though you missinterpret my points) and we are both on the search for truth.

The issue here is we have different standards.

You appear content to accept words (for allegations), whereas the courts and I require evidence.

I could be wrong but that is all it boils down to IMO.

Dion

05-09-2011, 02:35 PM

-I would like to know if really in the preAruze years Dion had no rights at all, or by the contrary he had them.

Clear enough?
I've answered this to you and others many, many times.
NeoGeoFreak had distribution and repackaging rights starting from 1996/1997.

It's also discussed on page 1 of the NGF History thread.

From then on, we made agreements that we would be an authorized distributor for the aes consumer market. This led to the development of NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA as a name, and later a brand, circa late 1996/97. These deals would eventually lead to NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA becoming the exclusive and only consumer aes distributor for the entire US market (snk had agreements with another distributors for europe, south america, africa, etc...)

NeoGeoFreak started doing the repackaging and corrected inserts many years before the Aruze acquisition.

I don't know how this can be any clearer.
Please stop bringing this old issue up over and over again. It's been answered many times and in 3 of the threads on assemblergames.com and it's been discussed on various other web sites.

Caren, you have also ignored the fact I brought forward that snk-usa didn't distribute mvs titles in the usa. They let all distribution be handled by Apple Distributors and by EEI. NeoGeoFreak handled distribution for aes.
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ConsoleFun

05-09-2011, 02:39 PM

Regarding Exhibit A

Exhibit A referenced in the stipulated preliminary injuction order (jan 2003) with regard to Worldwide Video Entertainment Inc. appears to be a list of NGF titles copied from the www.ngfusa.com webpages.

WVE - preliminary injunction order
http://replay.web.archive.org/20030202034007/http://www.snkneogeo.co.jp/info/img/wve.pdf

Since Case SA CV 02-1107 DOC MLGx is against the following alleged counterfeiters:
- Worldwide Video Entertainment, Inc.
- NeoGeo Freak
- Arcade-Infinity

...it makes sense to me if the same Exhibit A is used in all three preliminiary injuction orders, and especially in the motion for preliminary injunction regarding NGF as the lists appear to be from NGF-USA's website.

Exhibit A - page 1 / 3

Shooting prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/shootingcartsales.htm

Variety prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/varietycartsales.htm

Racing prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/racingcartsales.htm

Exhibit A - page 2 / 3

Action prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/actioncartsales.htm

Sports prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/sportscartsales.htm

Exhibit A - page 3 / 3

Fighting prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/fightingcartsales.htm

Maybe by mistake they forgot the Puzzle games
http://www.ngfusa.com/puzzlecartsales.htm

The way Playmore has presented the court papers and their (sometimes updated) press releases is a mess - in my opinion.

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 03:39 PM

dion you didnt answer my question

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 04:20 PM

dion have you ever taken liberties with some details of your snk etc rights?

this one

derekb

05-09-2011, 04:36 PM

dion have you ever taken liberties with someone of the same sex?

this one too

Dion

05-09-2011, 05:07 PM

I'm not exactly sure if I'm understanding your question correctly.
If you're asking if I ever overstepped any legal boundaries, then the answer would be no. No, we never overstepped our boundaries on what snk allowed us to do.

Full repackaging rights were authorized by snk and then by Aruze.
SNK-Japan did grant us rights for repackaging as a blanket statement. Which means NeoGeoFreak could have gone through with mass production from start to finish on all titles (and we still retain those rights). But we never commissioned full production of cartridge boards, cartridge cases, rom chips, our cases (original style or snaplock)(but we could have/still can). We can, but we won't.

Legally our previous agreements from snk-japan state an open measure of repackaging rights. Aruze/snk also granted us options to produce our own parts/chips for or mass release titles and we still have all the documents stating the agreements and provisions they granted us.

For example, if we as NeoGeoFreak felt so inclined, we could commission a
new release of a rare game 100% identical to the original and no one would be able to tell (as there are no serial numbers or date marks on the packaging). We could do it if we wanted to, but we haven't and won't.

Not cost effective at this point
It wouldn't be cost effective to pay upfront fees to have molds made of all the necessary parts (cartridges have 3 parts/3 molds needed), cartridge cases, rom chips, offset printed inert, offset printed sticker, offset printed manual, etc... only to release another 500 copies and offer them for $300 each. If we were to do 10 releases of 500 units each, then it would be much more cost effective to have all the parts remade.

I personally don't think the current neo market would be able to absorb 500 units of one specific title anymore. That is why homebrew releases (NGDevTeam and NeoConception, etc...) are usually made in limited runs of only 100 units per title, as they are locating and using sac carts for the parts needed. More cost effective, but harder to track down 100 clean/new sac carts that will correctly house the eprom chips.
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Pannolino

05-09-2011, 05:15 PM

I don't know for Neoconception but NGDevTeam doesn't use sac carts since they have a proper and self designed board.

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 05:24 PM

Dion (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/member.php?u=62776)

your comment explains why so many do not trust a word you say. once you finally admit not everything you did was as legal (or not defined as illegal) and that at the time it didn't matter because the snk etc was going thru its own problems and they wasn't paying attention to you. im sure then you can gain your rightful place in neogeo history.

this is why these questions have gone unresolved for a long time. when people smell smoke they know that a fire is around no matter how much its covered up.

geddon_jt

05-09-2011, 05:27 PM

[B]
If you look closely you'll see Ironclad and Fun Fun Brothers.
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Dion, for you to suggest or imply that you EVER owned either of these games is a bald-faced, disgusting LIE. YOU know it, I know it, and who cares what the people here think.

Shameful.

ASSEMbler

05-09-2011, 05:41 PM

This is an unmoderated thread, however homosexual slurs detract from your worth and rep on the forums.

Just a statement

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 05:48 PM

Maybe the language is causing misunderstanding.
I said we NEVER overstepped our boundaries. Everything we did was fully legal and official. We could have continued with full production, but we never did/chose not to.

NO... its the lies that cause the misunderstanding. i've explained to you why many want you wiped from history. its up to you to finally man up

Dion

05-09-2011, 06:15 PM

I don't know for Neoconception but NGDevTeam doesn't use sac carts since they have a proper and self designed board.

Sac carts for case and box
They used their own program boards, but they still needed the cartridge cases to house the boards and the outer cartridge boxes.

your comment explains why so many do not trust a word you say. once you finally admit not everything you did was as legal (or not defined as illegal)

100% legal, official, authorized.
Maybe the language is causing misunderstanding.
I said we NEVER overstepped our boundaries. Everything we did was fully legal and official. We could have continued with full production, but we never did/chose not to.

Dion, for you to suggest or imply that you EVER owned either of these games is a bald-faced, disgusting LIE. YOU know it, I know it, and who cares what the people here think.

Our games are OUR games.
First off, the term is "bold faced lie."
Secondly, Why does it bother you and bill as to what video games we own? Are you or him gonna spend countless hours making another new web page on the subject?

Neither chris nor myself ever cared if you and bill believed what titles we have or had, that's why neither of us argued back over it. I do find it amusing that you and bill get so worked up over video games. We're not offering them to you for sale, so why do you two get so excited about it all? Calm down my friend.

I couldn't care less what titles you or him may have. If you guys claimed to have QP, Pair Par Wars, MotW2, I wouldn't ask for proof, nor would I call you or him a liar. It's just not that big of a deal for me to question what video games you guys may own. Also, to call someone a liar over video games makes yourself look a bit silly. Calling us liars doesn't disprove our claim either.

For a lawyer, you act in a very strange manner when dealing with particulars. Just as I don't ask you to show me your law degree, I don't ask to see if you passed the bar exam, and I don't ask to know what law firm you work at. If you say you're a lawyer, so be it. What do I care? I don't care if you're a lawyer or what video games you own. I talk to you as a person I've known for many years and a fellow neogeo fan that I've never had a problem with.
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geddon_jt

05-09-2011, 06:16 PM

Dion, there has been plenty of argument as to whether you or Chris had last odyssey. This was not because I personally care about your or chris' collections, but because the community at large has an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles. With last odyssey, it was YOU, not US, who tried to prove you had this game by posting staged photos at CGE with a ripped off label.

Clearly, ironclad and fun fun brothers are in the same category.

Now, in what I must say is very typical fashion, you post "look carefully for the fun fun brothers and ironclad." much like we have seen your aes inserts for crossed swords 2 and warlocks, but no real proof. Now, do you have the cajones, or perhaps just care little enough about your public perception at this point, to state "there were, at the time of that photo, working prototype aes carts of those games in those boxes?"

Whether you do or don't won't change what you and I both know to be 100% truth. You didn't have those games. Why mislead people with a comment like that?

Dion

05-09-2011, 06:31 PM

Now, do you have the cajones, or perhaps just care little enough about your public perception at this point, to state "there were, at the time of that photo, working prototype aes carts of those games in those boxes?"

Whether you do or don't won't change what you and I both know to be 100% truth. You didn't have those games. Why mislead people with a comment like that?

John, you guys asked for photo proof and we provided it.
You guys wanted to see the boards, we provided photos.
You guys wanted video of the game in action, so I personally recorded video of Last Odyssey, Bang Busters, Mystic Wand, Nightmare in the Dark, Bang Bead, and Zupapa. But even after all that proof was provided, it still wasn't good enough for you or bill. I just don't understand what else you guys could possibly demand, and even so, it still wouldn't be sufficient for you guys.

You ask if we had the actual games. Chris and myself have answered YES on many occasions. The video of those games were made by me from our working copies.

So far Bang Bead, NitD, Zupapa, Ironclad, Ghostlop, Bang Busters have been released. The others will all be released sooner or later, and arguing over it and calling people names and liars over video games is shallow.

FYI, and for the people you're speaking for who may have an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles, Last Odyssey has been sold to someone planning on making a release.
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Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 06:48 PM

This is coming from someone who called me names and attacked my for not providing high resolution scans of my arts?

We've never been anything but 100% completely honest.
Playmore offered us their settlement.
We were proven official and authorized by snk, playmore, and US Federal Court.
Please end the debate.
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im being honest and accessing why so many have issues with your "facts" it up to you to decide to finally be honest and man up but also you haven't proven that those conversions or other actions where proper or legal. be honest for once

its up to you.

do you want this to change and do you want your historic place confirmed?

its up to you.

i expect you will continue to stick to your well crafted "truths" which means in 10 years your will still be trying to sweet talking your place in history.

its up to you.

Twimfy

05-09-2011, 07:41 PM

He just proposed for sale Neo Geo manuals a few posts earlier, SO IT THE FUCK MATTERS.

Perhaps.

But now we know to ask for details and pictures before we buy. Which is what YOU should have done in the fucking first place. We get the point, now fuck off and quit repeating yourself. We don't need people going on and on and on at us with the same stuff in order to understand that their may or may not be something fishy about Dion.

I've read through all of this thread from start to finish and as someone pointed out:

Where is this truly going? What result do people want to actually see?

Money back? An admission?

Personally I like the guy from what I've seen. His odd pictures of himself out on the piss with randoms are funny if a little egotistical. His answers to questions are a little vague and suspicious, but he's remaining polite and calm...the exact reaction of someone that realizes that this was all quite some time ago and everyone should really move on.

Neo Geo collectors really do seem bat shit crazy. I used to collect JP games and loved playing them. I'm pleased I stopped. I've seen people come to terms with the death of murdered relatives quicker than you guys are over a fucking game.

I'm travelling the states at the end of the year. Maybe Dion would let me visit as an unofficial representative of AG.

derekb

05-09-2011, 08:10 PM

This is an unmoderated thread, however homosexual slurs detract from your worth and rep on the forums.

Just a statement

sorry, I will try to refrain from saying Dion in the thread from now on

Twimfy

05-09-2011, 08:26 PM

sorry, I will try to refrain from saying Dion in the thread from now on

So now you're basically switching the slur for the word Dion. Which still implicates that if he was homosexual that would be a bad thing.

So are you now going to parade around the board calling people Dion, laughing to yourself because you know that it secretly means that they're gay?

When the owner of the site asks you not to do something.

Take a fucking hint.

You're such a derekb (by the way...that means you're an ignorant biggot).

derekb

05-09-2011, 08:34 PM

I was less swapping the word and more implying Dion is a homo

Twimfy

05-09-2011, 08:38 PM

I was less swapping the word and more implying Dion is a homo

For fucks sake. So you're still putting the fact that being a homo is a bad thing?

I think you'll find that you're no longer welcome here.

retro

05-09-2011, 08:40 PM

I was less swapping the word and more implying Dion is a homo

How mature of you. How old are you? 14?

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 09:00 PM

I was less swapping the word and more implying Dion is a homo

dont defame homos that way. they are good ppl

retro

05-09-2011, 09:11 PM

Dion, it's a shame you didn't have Obama watching you sign those agreements over a satellite link. That way, nobody would question you, even with a lack of photographic proof ;-)

Dion

05-09-2011, 09:25 PM

Personally I like the guy from what I've seen. His odd pictures of himself out on the piss with randoms are funny if a little egotistical.

Standing tall
Not many people are brave enough to go against the grain and say they like Chris, myself, or NeoGeoFreak. So I commend you on your courage.
Yes, the photos are added for the fun. As I've said before, everything NGF has said and done has all been according to design... even the photos of ourselves at various locations, even the shredding of inserts. lol.

I've seen people come to terms with the death of murdered relatives quicker than you guys are over a fucking game.

Great analogy.
I've never considered that, but you are so right. Well played sir.

I'm travelling the states at the end of the year. Maybe Dion would let me visit as an unofficial representative of AG.

Visits welcomed anytime.
I'm probably the only person in the neogeo scene that has met up with more fans, on more occasions. We wouldn't meet up with so many people, attend and host various trade shows, or post photos of ourselves if we had something to hide.

Contact me when you're coming and we can get together for drinks and have a serious discussion. I'll even bring some rare arts, positives, etc... for you to see. Also, I have a hard copy of the playmore trials, depositions, etc... You can read through them and have a good laugh at how easily we slapped playmore around.
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DarthCloud

05-09-2011, 10:22 PM

Annoying_one

05-09-2011, 10:28 PM

im not going to change my opinion to conform to the misconceptions of others.

i am not here to hurt dion. dion hurt himself long ago.

ASSEMbler

05-10-2011, 12:21 AM

Dion I would say stop posting in this thread as I can't enforce etiquette.

Annoying_one

05-10-2011, 01:49 AM

etiquette isnt something that ever can be enforced.

Annoying_one

05-10-2011, 02:09 AM

dude you are not the center of neogeo your a blight

Twimfy

05-11-2011, 09:34 PM

Standing tall

Visits welcomed anytime.
I'm probably the only person in the neogeo scene that has met up with more fans, on more occasions. We wouldn't meet up with so many people, attend and host various trade shows, or post photos of ourselves if we had something to hide.

Contact me when you're coming and we can get together for drinks and have a serious discussion. I'll even bring some rare arts, positives, etc... for you to see. Also, I have a hard copy of the playmore trials, depositions, etc... You can read through them and have a good laugh at how easily we slapped playmore around.
.

Sounds good. Might be at the end of the year and is on uncertain terms but I'll be in touch if and when I head over.

derekb

05-11-2011, 09:47 PM

werejag and derekb I hope that you know that out of 9000 users on this forum you are part of the only three users with negative Reputation.

You are not hurting Dion with your comment, you are only hurting yourself and your reputation on this forum.

*points at the word unmoderated*

not sure why werejag and I can't express our distaste for Dion's shady business practices at the expense of neo geo fans

I also like how I receive negative reps for posts in a supposedly unmoderated thread, sorry Dion, you truly are the neo geo master and probably never deceived or misled anyone in your selling of Neo Geo cartridges. My apologies good friend.

Annoying_one

05-11-2011, 09:57 PM

derekb

first we have to get our posts appoved by some of the Politically correctors and since we didnt, we get negitives for expressing free speech in this limited free speech zone.

now a message from my handler.

nice i received -5 rep for posting in this free speech thread.

The unmoderated NEO GEO... (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=497397#post497397) 05-11-2011 09:05 PM Alchy (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/member.php?u=197) Being a dick again, what a surprise.

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 01:36 AM

*points at the word unmoderated*

not sure why werejag and I can't express our distaste for Dion's shady business practices at the expense of neo geo fans

People can equally display ther distaste for your unmoderated behaviour too. It works both ways ;)

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 01:40 AM

its one of the most messed up things ever to have rep points in a unmoderated topic. but the nite is yound im sure there will be something even more messed up

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 01:43 AM

Not really. You can bitch about someone but they can bitch about you bitching.

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 01:48 AM

bring them on. dont backstab

Christer-swe

05-12-2011, 02:15 AM

nice i received -5 rep for posting in this free speech thread.

Like in real life, you can say what you want, but expect people to disown you if you're being a dick.

Alchy

05-12-2011, 08:35 AM

nice i received -5 repAnd what does that tell you?

Twimfy

05-12-2011, 09:27 AM

And what does that tell you?

I wouldn't bother. I think werejag is one of these people who thinks that we're all part of some big brother conformist society and we speak the way we do because we're told to.

Y'know werejag I work in a bar in the evenings on occasions. How about I try talking the way you do to everybody I meet and come across including friends staff and customers?

Think about what would happen...I'd probably get the shit kicked out of me and lose my job.

Same rules apply here as much as they do in the real world. You can say what you want but certainly don't complain when people don't like it.

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 09:37 AM

can you tell me what to say now: seems you politically correctors need to approve what to say in even unmodreated threads.

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 09:42 AM

werejag why did you give me negative rep for "You can bitch about someone but they can bitch about you bitching. " saying unmodrated means unmoderated?

At which point was there moderation? I think the more you open your mouth the more friends you are losing.

You can say what you want, but people dont have to like what they hear, then they may say things you dont like to hear in return.

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 09:50 AM

there shouldnt be reputation points in a unmodreated topic.

its a form of moderation

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 09:51 AM

go along to get along. lets all kumbia

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 09:55 AM

Then why did you give me negative rep in an unmoderated thread and say it is for moderating? Given as I didnt moderate and you don't believe in repping an unmoderated thread sort of a contradiction there yeah? :S

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 10:03 AM

i can not change the system thats for you.

its not in my perview to change "repping in an unmoderated thread"

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 10:04 AM

i shall not post unless pushed again in here. since now im being told i cant do what was done to me in here.

Pannolino

05-12-2011, 10:32 AM

You can say what you want, but people dont have to like what they hear, then they may say things you dont like to hear in return.

and so, what the rep system is for?

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 10:36 AM

and so, what the rep system is for?

thats what im asking also. i contend its a form of moderation

derekb

05-12-2011, 11:22 AM

Not really. You can bitch about someone but they can bitch about you bitching.

I actually agree with werejag on this since effectively you can be down repped in an 'unmoderated' thread and then judged for your rep, which was obtained in something that was supposed to have no moderation

Christer-swe

05-12-2011, 11:27 AM

The how do you explain why werejag gave me bad rep in an unmoderated thread, if that's his stance on the matter?

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 11:31 AM

The how do you explain why werejag gave me bad rep in an unmoderated thread, if that's his stance on the matter?

+1

Pannolino

05-12-2011, 11:54 AM

+1

ok but where's your answer?

actually i find the rep system a pussy way to estimate how good or bad a person is since without breaking any rule, what he say can subjectively repp'd and give him a good/bad reputation based on nothing objective.

It's like at the college where every girls/boys look at the playmaker or the quarterback who has g reputation for that and just like because he is cool (or act like) he would be a good person or such.

hey look at the goofy guy with a yellow t-shirt balblabla

It's eventually a form of moderation.

diversity should be a good thing, unlike the conformism
you didn't give the opportunity to Dion, to bitch about for that, in the first place?
:flamethrower:

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 11:56 AM

I have no clue what you are saying

Pannolino

05-12-2011, 11:58 AM

me too.

BM-Viper

05-12-2011, 12:02 PM

How many people actually even know there *is* a reputation system? heh

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 12:30 PM

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 12:32 PM

How many people actually even know there *is* a reputation system? heh

i didnt till a day ago when some whinner said me and 2 others are the only ones of 9000 had a negitive rating.

still dont know how he checked 9000 ppls rating

DarthCloud

05-12-2011, 12:35 PM

i didnt till a day ago when some whinner said me and 2 others are the only ones of 9000 had a negitive rating.

still dont know how he checked 9000 ppls rating

Just check the member list, and list by reputation.

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 12:52 PM

Just check the member list, and list by reputation.

thank you, didnt know before

LeGIt

05-12-2011, 12:58 PM

since you people repped me its alright but i cant rep you and play at this stupid game.

i love how its alright to rep others but you do not like the treatment yourself.

i repped ever one who repped me negitive becuase if this is how you want it i can do so also.

i have also stoped now since there is so many whining

still not a good enough reason. I've never repped you, so by your logic I didnt deserve a return strike. Also this is exactly why the feedback system got gimped on ebay, sellers leave negative feedback to spite buyers with genuine complaints. Not a good system imo

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 01:19 PM

still not a good enough reason. I've never repped you, so by your logic I didnt deserve a return strike. Also this is exactly why the feedback system got gimped on ebay, sellers leave negative feedback to spite buyers with genuine complaints. Not a good system imo

your just claduarial damageit seems but if its a bad system then change it

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 02:33 PM

guys im sorry for being a fucking asshole. im very hard headed and when i perceive a injustice i fight.

retro

05-12-2011, 05:53 PM

thats what im asking also. i contend its a form of moderation

moderate
verb /ˈmɒdəreɪt/
monitor (an Internet message board or chat room) for inappropriate or offensive content.

reputation
noun /rɛpjʊˈteɪʃ(ə)n/
the beliefs or opinions that are generally held about someone or something

Source: Oxford English Dictionary.

Moderation is ensuring that discussion is appropriate. Appropriate may mean on topic, inoffensive, abiding by the rules etc.

Reputation is a feedback system - it is, as the dictionary says, someone's opinion of you.... and moreso, the overall collective of everyone's opinion.

This forum is unmoderated. Your words will not be moderated here, unless they are unacceptably offensive. However, we can still have an opinion of you for what you choose to say in an unmoderated forum.

Examples:

User A posts his feelings on a political event in the main unmoderated forum. I respect him for using the forum appropriately. His discussion is very interesting, so I may choose to give him positive rep.
User B posts his dissatisfaction with a Neo Geo seller in this forum, clearly stating why he had a bad experience and why he felt it was not resolved. I appreciate his bringing the matter to our attention. He does not keep on about it, allowing us to make up our own minds. That could deserve positive rep.
User C comes in an unmoderated thread and swears at everyone. He continues to do so. I think he is being very childish, regardless of the fact this is an unmoderated thread. That is not an excuse to act like a child and be extremely rude constantly. Just because the thread is unmoderated, doesn't mean that behaviour is acceptable. My opinion of him drops, and I would certainly consider bad rep appropriate.

Let's say you go into a pub with your girlfriend. There's a guy at the bar who's had a few. He gets a bit lairy, and starts making inappropriate comments about your girlfriend - perhaps something along the lines of "I'd give her a good seeing to" or maybe saying to you "hey, give us a go on her". What would you do? I wouldn't blame you for getting annoyed. The sensible thing would be to request he stops, maybe tell him he's out of line. Some people may even want to hit him.

Now, let's say the pub has a "freedom of speech" stage. If someone stands on the stage, they are free to say what they want without reprisal. The guy gets on the stage, and says the same things about your girlfriend. Now what do you do? Well, if you're playing by the rules, nothing! You might suggest that's not on, perhaps. However, you'd still have the same feelings about the guy, would you not?

Just because he's on the stage, that does not mean that his behaviour was acceptable. You have every right to form a negative opinion of him, even if you can't say anything back.

Similarly, if someone got on the stage who was a religious nut and started preaching to you, you might listen to what they have to say to start with. However, they go on and on about the same thing, it gets repetitive and boring. Again, you're probably going to form an opinion of them.

Just because a thread is unmoderated and you can say what you like, doesn't mean that your behaviour is acceptable. If you act like a prick in an unmoderated thread, expect people to think you're a prick.

Alchy

05-12-2011, 07:00 PM

guys im sorry for being a fucking asshole. im very hard headed and when i perceive a injustice i fight.Contrast to:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486221&postcount=775

bring on the kinder gentler less abrassive werejag.Basically you've given us this line before. How about instead of perceiving "injustice" and making a scene about it, you just act like a normal human being? The rest of us have our disagreements but you take it to a new level.

Annoying_one

05-12-2011, 08:44 PM

Contrast to:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486221&postcount=775
Basically you've given us this line before. How about instead of perceiving "injustice" and making a scene about it, you just act like a normal human being? The rest of us have our disagreements but you take it to a new level.

i understand. ill try to improve

wheelaa

05-13-2011, 05:15 AM

Please can we get back to slagging off NGF, thanks. ;)

retro

05-13-2011, 09:19 AM

Please can we get back to slagging off NGF, thanks. ;)

It's unmoderated, we can slag off who we like! :P lol

Christer-swe

05-13-2011, 10:04 AM

guys im sorry for being a fucking asshole. im very hard headed and when i perceive a injustice i fight.

That's okay if you do that, if you're denied service from the government because of your religious belief, or you're being denied service from a restaurant because of your skin colour, but this is a games forum. If you feel like you're treated wrongly, just leave.

subbie

05-13-2011, 10:14 AM

werejag,
Stop abusing the "report" button because things don't go your way!

(yes this could be done in a PM but I feel the need to publicly call you out on your excessive use).

Annoying_one

05-13-2011, 10:57 AM

subbie (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/member.php?u=895)

why thank you for that ban

Christer-swe

k

retro
slagging?

subbie

05-13-2011, 11:24 AM

subbie (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/member.php?u=895)

why thank you for that ban
I didn't do the deed but some days I lie awake at night wishing I did. I might have tagged in some extra time for shits and giggles.

:rolleyes:
You're on thin ice and not just with me...

-edit-
Back on topic (what ever that is), any further post after this on the issue will be removed...

Annoying_one

05-13-2011, 01:20 PM

i understand

wheelaa

05-13-2011, 01:29 PM

It's unmoderated, we can slag off who we like! :P lol

True. (Although it is the NEO GEO unmoderated thread!)
So.....
Cupid Stunts the lot of you :-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLBW8L198GQ

spoonman

05-27-2011, 09:12 PM

Dion

05-27-2011, 10:42 PM

My favorite post, and by far, the biggest proof that this forum truly is unmoderated (from page 1):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/tonkdigital/01b23833.png

Dion was surprisingly friendly towards him even after that comment.
I commend Assembler from wiping that comment.
Comments in an unmoderated should remain and that's a fine example imo.

I don't hold grudges
Why would I treat kevin(assembler) any different or treat him less friendly?

He never said anything bad towards me.
When he was texting all that between him and tonk (very low move by tonk to post their private conversation), Kevin didn't really know who I was or anything about the entire NGF/SNK situation, other than the false rumors spread from ng.com members.

He said, "I hope to get dion to hang himself."
I see nothing wrong with that. At least he was mature about it and stayed neutral.

Matt, I still speak nicely to you too, even though you seem to be trying to stir something up. I sent you that Metal Slug 3 insert for free, and in return, you are posting bad things about NGF (directed at me specifically) on gamesniped.com and I have no idea why. I've always shared lots with you and I was giving you some free flyers.

It's my trusting nature.
I always figure the neogeo scene will mature sooner or later. Fortunately many people have grown up and dropped the personal attacks. Unfortunately, some people still insist on drama.
.

derekb

05-27-2011, 11:28 PM

Dion I am going to the beach in July, will you come with me to pick up babes

Annoying_one

05-28-2011, 12:10 AM

A true man of his word.

see how he turns the other check when attacked. a better man never existed.

dion thanks for sharing your greatness with the rest of us mere mortals

spoonman

05-28-2011, 07:32 PM

Dion,
Well a couple things.
First of all I guess seeing all of your posts about this stuff has stirred up some memories that I had forgotten about some 11 years ago. The years may have made me a bit foggy on all of it, but Seeing all of your posts has made some feelings resurface like a repressed memory....I had spent $400 on a brand new Metal Slug 3 AES USA cartridge only to realize it was a Japanese cartridge with a reprinted insert from you. The quality of the insert was terrible! In fact, I made my own insert from a high quality scan from a real Japanese AES MS3 that I purchased after yours and made an English insert & printed at a Kinko's that far surpassed NGF's quality.
Again.. $400 I spent on that...

I have been a video game collector since the 80's and have never come across something so poor in quality and an all out lie about a product.

I have remained out of the NG.com bullshit and "trash Dion" posts because it's not my thing and I hate wasting time on it, but as a consumer of your game I have to admit I was really very upset and unhappy with it.

Big money in fakes...
I just fear history is going to repeat itself and people more people who don't know the real history are going to be deceived again.

I see NGF games on eBay selling for thousands of dollars. Are they not just Japanese versions with reprinted "Freaked" inserts that you printed?

Here is an example:

Japanese version of King of Fighters 2000 AES just sold for $90 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=280644944315&nma=true&rt=nc&si=beL2GHMaf81CA4PHapbah1pY6Fg%253D) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=280644944315&nma=true&rt=nc&si=beL2GHMaf81CA4PHapbah1pY6Fg%253D) (Click for link) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=280644944315&nma=true&rt=nc&si=beL2GHMaf81CA4PHapbah1pY6Fg%253D)
Now what would keep you from obtaining one of these, printing out your custom made NGF insert, manual, & sticker and reselling it for $3,550?!? (Click for link) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=250801422941&si=beL2GHMaf81CA4PHapbah1pY6Fg%253D&viewitem=&clk_rvr_id=235869897156&hash=item3a64ee025d) (just sold for this on eBay on April 14th, 2011)
and the current one which is selling for over $2500 (Click for link) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Neo-Geo-RARE-King-Fighters-2000-US-Version-/220787635054?clk_rvr_id=235879733225)

There is obviously big money to be had here!

You even mentioned you would be willing to sell inserts, labels, and manual reprints for games... So how about this little money maker..... would you sell me a KOF 2000 NGF upgrade kit for $20 so I can buy a Japanese copy of KOF 2000 for $100 and resell on eBay for $3,000?

Do you see what I am talking about here?

I don't hold grudges
Why would I treat kevin(assembler) any different or treat him less friendly?

He never said anything bad towards me.
When he was texting all that between him and tonk (very low move by tonk to post their private conversation), Kevin didn't really know who I was or anything about the entire NGF/SNK situation, other than the false rumors spread from ng.com members.

He said, "I hope to get dion to hang himself."
I see nothing wrong with that. At least he was mature about it and stayed neutral.

Matt, I still speak nicely to you too, even though you seem to be trying to stir something up. I sent you that Metal Slug 3 insert for free, and in return, you are posting bad things about NGF (directed at me specifically) on gamesniped.com and I have no idea why. I've always shared lots with you and I was giving you some free flyers.

It's my trusting nature.
I always figure the neogeo scene will mature sooner or later. Fortunately many people have grown up and dropped the personal attacks. Unfortunately, some people still insist on drama.
.

Dion

05-28-2011, 11:52 PM

I see NGF games on eBay selling for thousands of dollars. Are they not just Japanese versions with reprinted "Freaked" inserts that you printed?

Some yes, some no.
Mostly only games that needed genre correction were issued NGF inserts (not the sticker or manual). The quality may be an issue for you, but the main point is that NeoGeoFreak genre correct inserts are official, authorized, and licensed by snk-japan.

click to read: SNK Press release NeoGeoFreak (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html)

I see NGF games on eBay selling for thousands of dollars. Are they not just Japanese versions with reprinted "Freaked" inserts that you printed?

KoF2000 direct from snk-japan.
You're mistaken on the origins of the KoF2000.
The KoF2000 english edition was direct from snk-japan. We did not print the inserts, manual, or sticker, nor do we have inserts, manuals, or stickers available.

I've haven't sold a KoF2000 in 10 years and people email me all the time telling me how much they want that game. We wish we had access to more, but we don't.

Authenticity Certificates
NGF is taking new measures to secure the legitimacy of our licensed release. We are now offering a Letter of Authenticity, a Certificate of Authenticity, and a Certificate of Ownership with a matching serial number to ensure that the only KoF2000 cartridges ever sold will be original and licensed from snk and NGF.

000/100 = all KoF2000 will be accounted for
There is only 100 official copies of the KoF2000 english edition. And soon all will be numbered and accounted for with matching certificates, so no one will ever need to worry if the copy being bought and sold is original or not.

Certificates and Legal recourse
Anyone thinking of offering a reproduced copy of KoF2000 will not succeed because we're making public our certificate of authenticity campaign.
We will pursue legal action on any parties attempting to infringe on our neogeo aes KoF2000 agreement. Our documents state that NeoGeoFreak is the exclusive licensee for the KoF2000 english edition. (that is why snk (and playmore) never reissued any copies to europe or any other neogeo resellers).

I understand your concerns Matt, but Chris and I are already taking measures to protect the integrity of all KoF2000 english edition cartridges.
.

derekb

05-29-2011, 01:43 AM

is that a no on the beach?

spoonman

05-29-2011, 08:18 PM

Matt, I still speak nicely to you too, even though you seem to be trying to stir something up. I sent you that Metal Slug 3 insert for free, and in return, you are posting bad things about NGF (directed at me specifically) on gamesniped.com and I have no idea why. I've always shared lots with you and I was giving you some free flyers.

I was just posting my experience and how I felt as a customer who was burned. It was not a personal attack against you, though you might feel differently. Remember I never once said a single bad thing about you or NGF on my Neo-Geo website or on any others in the past.

You can't just write off anyone who was not happy with your service as crazy, having a personal grudge against you, or jumping on the NG.com bandwagon. I'm not a part of any of those...

Yes you did send me a MS3 original insert, but it doesn't really make us even. I thought I was buying a Metal Slug 3 USA AES with the quality every bit as good as SNK was shipping at the time.

And you did promise to send some Neo-Geo flyers that I was looking for, but somehow that quickly turned into a business proposal for you. It went from "Matt, I am here to help you" to "Paypal me $220 and I'll send you a bunch of stuff". I'm not going to paste our PM's verbatim, but You knew my financial situation and you still asked me for $220 for something you promised to send for the price of shipping. "You will have to cover shipping this time" I believe you said.

derekb

05-30-2011, 02:23 PM

can millions of dollars not buy a decent printing setup?

Cyantist

05-30-2011, 06:37 PM

can millions of dollars not buy a decent printing setup?

I doubt he made that much money. However a ''Decent setup'' can consist of glossy/photo paper and a decent printer.

spoonman

05-30-2011, 08:39 PM

Dion

05-30-2011, 09:12 PM

Dion,
I can’t comment on the KOF2000 NGF version as I’ve never owned the English home cart.
My question to you would be why didn’t you have the Metal Slug 3 inserts professionally printed as well?
You knew collector’s spending hundreds of dollars on this wouldn’t be happy with an 80 cent printing job.

All the NGF inserts are good and no one ever complained till it became the "in thing to do" at ng.com. I've seen hundreds of official items with much worse production, but no one complains. (sega items, nintendo, turbo, etc...) People at ng.com didn't believe NeoGeoFreak was licensed, and they took their frustrations out against Chris and myself on a personal level.

Guilemot's neogeo manuals are black/white and they did print some black/white inserts. NeoGeo do Brasil did the same thing on many early released and on their neogeo cd titles/systems.

http://www.neogeofreak.com/manuals/guillemot.jpg

Dion (From PM):
If you can, just send me $220 and I'll include a lot of neo flyers (I have about 20 available)(all new)(all english)

You turn everything into a business opportunity for yourself. You take
advantage of people and I'm not even sure you realize it anymore...

So that's really all I have to say about that.

As I said before, I was willing to send you some flyers for FREE. You had to cover shipping. You then asked for specific flyers and you also asked for 3 aes inserts and 3 aes manuals.

We then made a deal for $110 for the inserts, manuals, shipping, and paypal fees.... and I was still giving you FREE flyers.

But let's drop the issue about the free items. Actually, you chose not to complete the deal for the inserts and manuals, so let's not mention any of the personal deals. That was between you and I, and you shouldn't have made dollar amounts public.

NGF inserts = LICENSED
As for the NGF inserts not being offset printed:
Back in the mid to late 90s, and even to this date, offset printing was/is very expensive. Now, professional grade copiers/printers used at places like FedEx office, Office Max, etc... have gotten much better and offer much higher resolutions than they did 12-15 years ago. Sorry if you felt it wasn't up your standard, but back then we offered an official and licensed product to all people who wanted the NGF inserts.

There are a lot of people who really like the NGF inserts. You're entitled to your own opinion and I don't mind the criticism. It's just when people attack on a personal level or try to accuse NGF, Chris, or myself of scams that is bothersome and not accurate.

The bottom line is, NGF inserts are official, authorized, and LICENSED by snk. Both chris and myself, and many other people, preferred them over the snk inserts.
.

spoonman

05-30-2011, 09:23 PM

Well, I never made a deal for $110, but whatever. I inquired about a few inserts and manuals, expecting them to be cheap because the complete games (NOS) could be found for less than $20 each. Again, it was an inquiry, not a deal.

I felt it was important to make the amount clear to those reading since it is a rather large jump from FREE to $220. Otherwise, yes I agree they should remain private....

NFG Insert
The fact is I threw out your MS3 label and made my own from an original Japanese MS3 scan and sold it on eBay (full discloser in my description). I was actually worried that if I sold it with your label I would end up with negative feedback from the buyer. That's how bad it was!

The label I printed was done on an off the shelf Epson color Inkjet printer (on 8.5" x 14" coated paper). It looked almost identical to original SNK printed Neo-Geo inserts. Keep in mind, this was in 2000 and it probably cost me all of 40 cents in ink and paper to achieve that quality. Was it crazy for me to expect something similar from my $400 purchase from you?

As I said before, I was willing to send you some flyers for FREE. You had to cover shipping. You then asked for specific flyers and you also asked for 3 aes inserts and 3 aes manuals.

We then made a deal for $110 for the inserts, manuals, shipping, and paypal fees.... and I was still giving you FREE flyers.

But let's drop the issue about the free items. Actually, you chose not to complete the deal for the inserts and manuals, so let's not mention any of the personal deals. That was between you and I, and you shouldn't have made dollar amounts public.

NGF inserts = LICENSED
As for the NGF inserts not being offset printed:
Back in the mid to late 90s, and even to this date, offset printing was/is very expensive.
Professional grade copiers/printers used at places like FedEx office, Office Max, etc... have now gotten much better and resolutions are beautiful. Still, nothing will match offset printing, but these new printer/copies have gotten better.

The bottom line is, NGF inserts are official, authorized, and LICENSED by snk. Both chris and myself, and many other people, preferred them over the snk inserts.
.

Dion

05-30-2011, 09:46 PM

The label I printed was done on an off the shelf Epson color Inkjet printer (on 8.5" x 14" coated paper). It looked almost identical to original SNK printed Neo-Geo inserts. Keep in mind, this was in 2000 and it probably cost me all of 40 cents in ink and paper to achieve that quality. Was it crazy for me to expect something similar from my $400 purchase from you?

The key thing to remember is the NGF insert is official, authorized, and LICENSED.

A licensed product that has fair production quality, is still a licensed product.
An unlicensed product, with great production quality, is still unlicensed.
NeoGeoFreak inserts are official, authorized, and LICENSED. (key issues)

I feel the NeoGeoFreak inserts were well above average in terms of quality. Especially back when we first offered them in 1996/1997. Of course, I'm biased.

Many people have purchased NGF inserts and have come back wanting more. Eventually getting a full run for each genre (action, puzzle, racing, shooting, sports). If the inserts weren't good, we wouldn't have been able to sell them to so many collectors.

Today's technology would make them look better. One day I'll have to give it a try and send someone to print an insert for me. I want people to be happy with the NGF inserts. With printer capabilities reaching new levels of resolution and color depth, I'd be more than happy to offer new and improved NGF inserts.
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derekb

05-31-2011, 12:36 AM

I doubt he made that much money. However a ''Decent setup'' can consist of glossy/photo paper and a decent printer.

pretty sure that somewhere between this thread and the NGF history thread it was stated they made millions off their neo geo empire

Dion why don't you just find a local magazine printer who can give you a fair price for professionally printed inserts instead of printing at home

Annoying_one

05-31-2011, 08:55 AM

see the glory that is Dion.

nothing gets him down. he always has an answer for those wanting reparations. so the conversions sucked monkeys ass and the inserts where poor quality. they are official. so.....

do not question the Dion

derekb

05-31-2011, 11:09 PM

Dion I do work for a publication and it really would not cost too much for a run of high quality inserts I'm sure, might really wanna look into it, you could prolly recoup

veganx

06-01-2011, 12:11 AM

Not sure if I can ask it in here but..

what is the most accurate, the best of the best mvs adapter for the aes ?
is there any adapter will work 100% even with pirate cartridges without slow down and things like that ?

Consumed

06-01-2011, 07:54 AM

veganx

06-01-2011, 10:57 AM

Thank you :)

This will be my birthday present in july!

spoonman

06-01-2011, 03:49 PM

The best and most compatible is the Super MVS Converter II v2 with the blue LED. It will run any and all MVS carts including compile carts, just be aware that slowdown is a fault of the machine itself, not the carts and that while the converter does work with all MVS releases you will notice some very slight graphical glitching on some titles like Samurai Spirits V, Garou: MOTW, The King of Fighters 2003 and SNK vs Capcom: SVC Chaos. Nothing major but it's there all the same.

Do you know about the recent upgrades to the "Pranslation" MVS to AES adapter? I think they were able to eventually upgrade it to the point where it can load any game and has no gfx glitching like the others.

That scaling glitch can be really annoying.

Here's the thread where they figure out how to get it working with larger MEG and protected games...
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?148091-Pranslation-%28MVS-gt-AES-adapter%29-Info-and-Compatibility

Consumed

06-02-2011, 08:03 AM

No, sorry. I gave up on Neo MVS and AES carts a couple of years ago due to a number of reasons and sold off nearly all my carts, both consoles and converter and just play the disc versions of the games now on my toploading Neo CD player. For newer non-CD based games I'm afraid I'm nothing but a dirty thieving bastard pirate and just play the ROMS on my modded Xbox or have bought the games for the DC or PS2. The Neo scene is a minefield of dupes, boots and conversions and it's just too much like hard work for something that's meant to be fun.

Saying that, I wouldn't mind a consolized MVS system though as I still have a few MVS carts tucked away but the prices they go for on ebay are just a piss take. I did put an ad here in the WTB section but got no replies, maybe it's time to give it a bump and treat myself to a 161 in 1 cart...

spoonman

06-02-2011, 09:52 PM

I like the arranged music on some of the Neo-Geo CD games, but the loading times are beyond horrible on most of them. They also cut frames of animation in order to fit the games into the small amount of system RAM.

As long as you realize those pirate carts don't actually have all of the games they claim to they aren't too bad I suppose. My friend bought one... a 120 or something and it had around 50 actual games, with the rest being hacks. For example Metal Slug 6 on the cart is actually Metal Slug 3 with some graphic changes. Obviously MS6 wasn't released on the Neo-Geo so that's a pretty big clue. ;-)

No, sorry. I gave up on Neo MVS and AES carts a couple of years ago due to a number of reasons and sold off nearly all my carts, both consoles and converter and just play the disc versions of the games now on my toploading Neo CD player. For newer non-CD based games I'm afraid I'm nothing but a dirty thieving bastard pirate and just play the ROMS on my modded Xbox or have bought the games for the DC or PS2. The Neo scene is a minefield of dupes, boots and conversions and it's just too much like hard work for something that's meant to be fun.

Saying that, I wouldn't mind a consolized MVS system though as I still have a few MVS carts tucked away but the prices they go for on ebay are just a piss take. I did put an ad here in the WTB section but got no replies, maybe it's time to give it a bump and treat myself to a 161 in 1 cart...

Bomberhead

06-06-2011, 01:58 PM

I just want to say something.
I may not be super involved in the neo community, and i may be a newb. But I like to read, a lot. and ng.com has plenty to say about NGF. I read as much as i could, listening to all the complaints and qualms with NGF over the years. And i also read all the threads here pertaining to NGF here too. and i have come to the conclusion that NGF hasn't done anything wrong. Honestly. I may get flamed or receive bad e-karma for my statement here but no one has any real concrete negative stuff to say. It seems to me that if NGF had any kind of impact on the NG community it was positive. These dudes went way out of their way to turn what they loved to do into a business and because of that brought over a lot more aes stuff than might have otherwise came stateside. And honestly, Why do people have to make fun of shirts so much? it was the freaking 90's!! but thats all i ever seem to hear on the other forum.
"Look, NGF is selling on ebay again"
"Oh yeah? Remember those flamboyant shirts? lol."
Reallllly, who cares about shirts. and why is that the Go To insult? i think Dion has done an excellent job filling us in on the other side of the story, and it all makes sense. Good sense.

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spoonman

06-06-2011, 07:14 PM

You can't really base your thoughts on Neo-Geo.com threads. You will end up with wrong ideas and a lot of wasted time for the most part.

Though if you spent $400 on a brand new OFFICIAL Neo-Geo game and received a photo copied insert of extremely poor quality and the instruction manual with "NGF" stamped throughout you may quite possibly have a different opinion on the matter.

I just want to say something.
I may not be super involved in the neo community, and i may be a newb. But I like to read, a lot. and ng.com has plenty to say about NGF. I read as much as i could, listening to all the complaints and qualms with NGF over the years. And i also read all the threads here pertaining to NGF here too. and i have come to the conclusion that NGF hasn't done anything wrong. Honestly. I may get flamed or receive bad e-karma for my statement here but no one has any real concrete negative stuff to say. It seems to me that if NGF had any kind of impact on the NG community it was positive. These dudes went way out of their way to turn what they loved to do into a business and because of that brought over a lot more aes stuff than might have otherwise came stateside. And honestly, Why do people have to make fun of shirts so much? it was the freaking 90's!! but thats all i ever seem to hear on the other forum.
"Look, NGF is selling on ebay again"
"Oh yeah? Remember those flamboyant shirts? lol."
Reallllly, who cares about shirts. and why is that the Go To insult? i think Dion has done an excellent job filling us in on the other side of the story, and it all makes sense. Good sense.

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