Trespasser Beta (pictures and video added)

[ASSEMbler]

I know a lot of people have heard of this game. I came across a beta of it,
and I'm trying to see if people are interested enough in the game to obtain the beta.

[Bramsworth]

I have no idea what this game is, but I think I speak for everyone when I say as long as it's a beta, it will ALWAYS be appreciated ;)

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

I really have no way of playing this as my computer sucks for games, but I'd love to see videos of it!

[f2bnp]

Oh wow that should be REALLY interesting.Trespasser was a game with a lot of potential and in the end a huge amount of stuff was cut.
Though I'm pretty sure it's going to crash every 5 minutes :P

[babu]

haha, i remember playing that. technically pretty cool.. but controlling the arm didn't really work out that well in the game. and the LODing was amazing xD

[Getta Robo]

awesome news, i loved the game as a kid back then :)

[f2bnp]

Yeah the game sucked but it's pretty impressive for its time,it had a vast free enviroment,meaning you could go anywhere,and also featured a full physics engine.Unfortunately the game was bland and much too power consuming.Heck I installed recently on a Pentium 3 at 500 Mhz with a Voodoo 3 card and it's still kinda slow at times which is inexcusable.

[KaL_YoshiKa]

If it has much of the cut content left in (obviously unplayable) - there was a whole level cut (by far the most ambitious) I'd definitely be interested in it.

[ASSEMbler]

Ok there was two different betas. It cost me a few bucks but I have both on the way.

[f2bnp]

Oh wow man that's awesome!

[Metro Spy]

Sounds great, there's a lot of Trespasser fans out there.

Interesting point, Gabe Newell of Valve software and Half Life fame was impressed with the physics system (ambition not neccessarily how it was implemented), and new it would be a big part in the future of gaming. Which in part inspired all the gravity manipulation in Half Life 2.

[ASSEMbler]

I tried to contact some people at trescom, it looks like their forum is closed to new users.

[madhatter256]

Didn't they come out with a demo? I remember playing that demo.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3339/postmortem_dreamworks_.php

[lllsondowlll]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTAZ9XbEwH8

Big boobs, guns, and awesome game physics. I'm down.

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

Not to mention dinosaurs.

[alecjahn]

Jeeze, it's like some f-ed up dream I'd have. Everything's all wfjsj;fjaslkdfj and then there's dinosaurs and I've got tits.
Approved.

[Metro Spy]

All credit to the designers for trying to make the game more intuitive in removing the traditional HUD. However whoever had the idea of checking your health by looking down at your cleavage and checking a tattoo of your heart must have been drinking that day....

http://sylfurd.free.fr/TrespasserBoobs.jpg

[Bramsworth]

NOW I recognize this game. This topic really shoulda said Jurassic Park SOMEWHERE XD Those physcs look so laughable though, the dinosaurs move sideways and all over the place, they look like they're drunk!


So is this gonna be a free release, community effort(aka donations), just videos of it once you get it or what?

I was gonna post about it on the Trescom forums too just to get more people interested in case it needs donations. Too bad they seem to wanna appear elitist or something by not letting anyone in? Or whatever the hell they got going on there. Reminds me of only one too many Chinese forums and their requiring you to be VIP and shit.

Hope their site isn't like that.

[ASSEMbler]

They probably are just protecting from spam.

[PrOfUnD Darkness]

It's a very nice game, but the controls are sooo bad!

[KaL_YoshiKa]

Yeah they really just tried to much with this game. Deciding to use Procedural Physics for the dinosaur animation looks good until it freaks out after 5 seconds and the velociraptors take a dirt nap. I've always liked the way she counts the bullets though...it's surprisingly immersive and really tried a lot of things that are standards now. Also the game has REALLY strange Easter Eggs...Like the monolith from 2001 and a secret invisible walkway in the last level.

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

Jeeze, it's like some f-ed up dream I'd have. Everything's all wfjsj;fjaslkdfj and then there's dinosaurs and I've got tits.
Approved.

Hahaha!!

[Remdul]

Hi! This is Remdul, one of the founders of TresCom and author of some of the modding tools. Other than technical assistance, I'm not so much active anymore in the community, but I got your mail so here I am.


I was gonna post about it on the Trescom forums too just to get more people interested in case it needs donations. Too bad they seem to wanna appear elitist or something by not letting anyone in? Or whatever the hell they got going on there. Reminds me of only one too many Chinese forums and their requiring you to be VIP and shit.
The reason for the crappy registration was continued harassment by spammers. But I've posted a thread in the moderators forum asking automated registration to be enabled again, we've moved from our old host (IGN) so maybe the spam will no longer be a problem. Anyway, I apologize for the inconvenience. We try to be an open, inviting community.

On topic: aaah, the elusive Trespasser Beta :love2:. Other than a few screenshots from an ancient event (E3 probably) little is known about it (hype excluded). I'd be most interested to play with it!

A few years ago someone leaked a development version of the game to us, which included some GUI framework and some build-in debugging tools. Irrc, it didn't not include any data and was compatible with the retail game content. I will look it up and give you guys a linkie so you can check it out. That would be a nice trade. :)

[ASSEMbler]

The reason for the crappy registration was continued harassment by spammers. But I've posted a thread in the moderators forum asking automated registration to be enabled again, we've moved from our old host (IGN) so maybe the spam will no longer be a problem. Anyway, I apologize for the inconvenience. We try to be an open, inviting community.
We have the same problem. I do all moderation manually. It's laborious.

Is your community active? I assume it's moved on to being a collection of
longtime posters who have become pals. Is there much trespasser discussion anymore?

I can't even figure out how to get the game to run, maybe you can help.
It wants glide drivers to run.

Here's what arrived. It cost me a few bucks, if this is to be released people will have to chip in a tad.

Anyway, the fun stuff:

http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/IMG_1981.jpg
http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/IMG_1982.jpg

http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/IMG_1983.jpg



I didn 't get to check them out yet.

[Remdul]

We have the same problem. I do all moderation manually. It's laborious.

Is your community active? I assume it's moved on to being a collection of
longtime posters who have become pals. Is there much trespasser discussion anymore? Pretty much yeah. Of all the Jurassic Park related websites that sprung up for the last decade, we're pretty much the only one that remains. There are still others, but they come and go.


I can't even figure out how to get the game to run, maybe you can help.
It wants glide drivers to run. Trespasser was originally written to use a software engine, hardware support was added late in development. You can try to run it in software mode. Or perhaps there are some glide-driver emulators around, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
I probably can't tell more until I get hands-on. I'm actually a graphics programmer, so you're in good company. :)


Here's what arrived. Shiny!

Some info on the numbers you see there:

1st image: "96", probably an internal build number, and thus an older version.

2nd image: note "116c", this is probably a 'release candidate'. The retail build is 116 (the CD label in fact is "Trespass_UK_116" on my disk). The date seems to back this up. So, I would expect to find a version of the game on that disk that isn't dissimilar from the retail version. To be sure, check the executable version via file properties (my unpatched retail version is "1.0.116.0").

3rd image: Date seems close to the disk in 2nd image. Not sure why it is labeled "beta 4". I will check the credits listing to see what the initials could possibly stand for.

Could you perhaps tell me more about the origin of these disks? If it's private in nature, feel free to PM me or contact per email (martijn AT bytehazard DOT com).


It cost me a few bucks, if this is to be released people will have to chip in a tad. I will see if I can arrange something, please contact me per email.

[f2bnp]

This is awesome,this 96 on the first cd has caught my interest.And what the hell a Dreamcast disc!?
What on earth does this have to do with Trespasser :O!
Assembler,could you shed some light on the dc disc?

[Segafreak_NL]

This is awesome,this 96 on the first cd has caught my interest.And what the hell a Dreamcast disc!?
What on earth does this have to do with Trespasser :O!
Assembler,could you shed some light on the dc disc?

My thoughts exactly..

[ASSEMbler]

It's what I got in the deal. I have to pull out a dc and see what it is.

[Remdul]

I'm pretty sure the Dreamcast disk is unrelated. DreamWorks did not develop nor publish any Dreamcast titles to my knowledge. By the way, I think the initials JG (mirrored G) could be the signature of Jon Galvan, who was production coordinator on Trespasser.

[ASSEMbler]

Trespasser was originally written to use a software engine, hardware support was added late in development. You can try to run it in software mode.

Could you perhaps tell me more about the origin of these disks? If it's private in nature, feel free to PM me or contact per email (martijn AT bytehazard DOT com).


Discs came from an estate clearout.

"96" 1.0.96.0 max install is 142mb
has extra executables

"116c" 1.0.116.0
"Beta 4 116d" 1.0.116.0



Tattoo is located different.
You can see down her shirt between her boobs
Game runs 100% faster
Start area has 5% of the objects vs other build.

[lllsondowlll]

Discs came from an estate clearout.

"96" 1.0.96.0 max install is 142mb
has extra executables

"116c" 1.0.116.0
"Beta 4 116d" 1.0.116.0



Tattoo is located different.
You can see down her shirt between her boobs
Game runs 100% faster
Start area has 5% of the objects vs other build.

pics?

[ASSEMbler]

pics?

Fraps keeps crashing the pc. I guess I could just take pics of the monitor.

Will do once my raid array stops defragging (defraggler is the best!)

[Getta Robo]

Try with TechSmith's SnagIt.

[alecjahn]

Just hit print screen, pause the game, save the screenshot in mspaint, unpause, hit print screen, pause the game, save the screenshot in mspaint, unpause...

[Jenkins]

I'm pretty sure the Dreamcast disk is unrelated. DreamWorks did not develop nor publish any Dreamcast titles to my knowledge. By the way, I think the initials JG (mirrored G) could be the signature of Jon Galvan, who was production coordinator on Trespasser.
This game is "officially" listed as unreleased. So there is glimpse of hope. ^^

@Assembler: Please look at the GD-R! I just can't stand this! :love:

[Remdul]

This game is "officially" listed as unreleased. So there is glimpse of hope. ^^ I know a lot of people returned the game to the stores, but I guess you can't 'un-do' a release unless you have a 100% return rate...and I still have my original copy. ;-)


Tattoo is located different. You can see down her shirt between her boobs Game runs 100% faster Start area has 5% of the objects vs other build.
Sounds promising ASSEMbler. :icon_bigg What colors do the raptors have? The old beta builds and the one shown at E3 had less colorful brownish raptors that looked like the ones in the movies.

[Jenkins]

I know a lot of people returned the game to the stores, but I guess you can't 'un-do' a release unless you have a 100% return rate...and I still have my original copy. ;-)
I'm talking about the dreamcast version. It's listed as unreleased *link* (http://www.dreamcast.es/readarticle.php?article_id=23)

I own the PC version too! I love this game! Especially this rubberlike hand. :)

[ASSEMbler]

Going to try and take pics. This beta ate my pc three times last night.
I don't like hard resetting my main pc...

[ASSEMbler]

Video is now up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCDuXg4gaE

[KaL_YoshiKa]

The White Top really does look so much better then the released version :/

[alecjahn]

Haha, Kev said sideboob.

[Remdul]

I'm talking about the dreamcast version. I'm fairly sure that's not even remotely accurate. Platforms other than PC were never even considered for Trespasser. Somebody probably mixed something up. Maybe a crazy cowboy riding pre-release hype.

Nice vid. Could you check this: At the main menu, hold [Ctrl] + [Shift] + Q + W keys, then release W. You should see a list of levels. Is there anything in this list with "pv"; in the name? This was supposedly the "Pine Valley" level, which had a lot of physics based puzzles. It was cut from the retail game and recycled as the demo.

I'm not surprised it crashes a lot. The debug build I have does that a lot too. Running everything in software mode + win95/98 compatibility mode + 16-bit display settings seem to make it a bit more reliable.

[ASSEMbler]

Well that brought up a lot of interesting content.
There are TEN levels not 8.

Yes, PV exists. Quite full of enemies and dialogue.
I assume this is a great discovery.

http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/IMG_2001.jpg

There's also a test level for debugging with all kinds of craziness.

The AI "emotions" of the enemies are intact as well. You can walk past most hostiles unless you hit them or they are triggered fights.

[f2bnp]

Now THIS is interesting!
Way to go Assembler!
Could you also check that GD-ROM out?

[ASSEMbler]

I've been asked to not discuss the GD-ROM anymore...

[f2bnp]

:|
:(
Oh well...

[ASSEMbler]

:|
:(
Oh well...
It's not worth getting someone in trouble, the PC version has much much more great stuff. AFAIK the disc is just a video.

anyways, PIC time!

http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_1992.MOV.avi_snapshot_00.38_[2009.11.24_09.19.41].jpg


http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_1992.MOV.avi_snapshot_01.05_[2009.11.24_09.20.41].jpg


http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_1992.MOV.avi_snapshot_02.34_[2009.11.24_09.21.41].jpg

And the test level

http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_00.48_[2009.11.24_09.23.34].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_01.28_[2009.11.24_09.23.49].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_01.41_[2009.11.24_09.24.13].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_01.41_[2009.11.24_09.24.18].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_01.51_[2009.11.24_09.24.56].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_02.00_[2009.11.24_09.25.13].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_05.01_[2009.11.24_09.25.42].jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/MVI_2003.MOV_snapshot_07.32_[2009.11.24_09.26.09].jpg

Updated: and the level video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlhiuMfPmyc)

[Blai]

Just to end the GD-ROM topic: it only contains a video of the game, no playable content, right?

[neoblast]

Looking at your bobs to check health status, this game amazes me to no end LOL.
So what does the GDR contain?
A secret build you're not allowed to talk about?

[ASSEMbler]

Looking at your bobs to check health status, this game amazes me to no end LOL.
So what does the GDR contain?
A secret build you're not allowed to talk about?


Unrelated material to trespasser just something from EA.

[Jenkins]

Unrelated material to trespasser just something from EA.
OK, this makes sense (to me).

[neoblast]

It's not worth getting someone in trouble, the PC version has much much more great stuff. AFAIK the disc is just a video.



Hmm was this about the GD?

[KaL_YoshiKa]

The test level is in the full build though but it's been so long since I played the game I can't remember much about it other then the domino setup.

Horay for Pine Valley. Shame about the GD but whatever don't want to get a beat down.

[Remdul]

The test level is in the release build yes, and it looks pretty much identical, with the only thing missing is a human head on a rusty barrel. It has the face of a developer on it, I guess it was sneaked in just before the release and not in the beta builds.

From what I've seen so far, the most significant differences seem to be the presence of the Pine Valley level and a different texture and position of the tattoo on Anne. But, I guess, the games performance, bugs and creature behavior is something hard to judge from this material.

[Kron]

Unrelated material to trespasser just something from EA.

But EA never developed anything for the Dreamcast. I'm not surprised the disc face is blank, It mirrors their output.

http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/IMG_1984.jpg

:p

[ASSEMbler]

Ea was a publisher as well back then. Anyways, please keep the thread OT.

[Barc0de]

I loved Trespasser. :D

[Rabid Peanut-Butter]

Fascinating thread. I was aways interested in Trespasser back in the day. Thanks for the videos and pics Kev!

[ASSEMbler]

http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/pv1.jpg
http://assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/pv2.jpg

Pine Valley

[ASSEMbler]

The trescom guys have proposed splitting the cost of the betas, however
they are more strict about piracy than we are due to the close relationship
they have with the programmers.

They propose only distributing to people who own an original version of the game.
They have some sort of app that they use to prove this.

While noble, it's near impossible to get trespasser.

So we need to raise the cash ourselves to torrent it or split the
costs with trescom, but they have their noble prerequisites
for distribution.

[Borman]

All depends on the cost Assembler ;)

[ASSEMbler]

All depends on the cost Assembler ;)

The money seems less of an issue than the distribution method.

We're talking under two bills. People here spend more on
red bull in a month.

[Borman]

At that point, Id figure the people here could release it then. Ive never even played Trespasser, and I doubt its available on any Digital services to actually support anyone anyway.

[ASSEMbler]

Given there's an entire community with a long history with this game, I would give them the opportunity to raise the funds and release it their way, vs our way.

Here's Pine Valley, after 11 years of waiting. <--- click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XPhUATx_8)




http://www.assemblergames.com/images/trespasser/contents.jpg
Disc contents

[ASSEMbler]

The trescom guys picked it up and will be doing a proper release along with some mod and gameplay enhancing tools.

[feder]

Are the trescom guys going to release it via normal wide distribution or limited to those who bought the original game?

[KaL_YoshiKa]

I am going to assume since you ended up going with them they are planning to do a non-closed community release. It seems kind of a waste to lock it down only to people who own a game that hasn't been sold properly for 5+ years. Either way it's nice to have a look at Pine Valley.

[ASSEMbler]

It's going to be non closed afaik, as you cant get trespasser.

[hl718]

It's going to be non closed afaik, as you cant get trespasser.

Eh, multiple copies on eBay from $20-$40 right now.

Just because it's a few years old doesn't mean it was limited production. ;)

-hl718

[f2bnp]

It's going to be non closed afaik, as you cant get trespasser.

Thank god!

[KaL_YoshiKa]

The issue with Ebay copies though is that we can fairly agree that any copy sold there is unlikely to profit the team that produced the game initially. I don't have an issue with that though it kind of seems like a silly/arbitrary way to prevent access.

[f2bnp]

Exactly!The game was released 11 years ago and was a commercial flop it's not like we can give the developers money if we buy it now.

[hppav]

Hello! I'm the head of the TresCom Web Department.

A CD Check would be useless anyway since you can get around it by using a not so legal copy of the game anyway. The latest version of the ATX engine patch recently removed this restriction as well. The original idea behind it was to prevent people who didn't own the game from getting retail Trespasser assets.

I'll be sure to let you guys know when MP gets the betas up. Thanks for letting us know that you acquired them, we're sure to spend a long time going over the files with a fine toothed comb and compare them to the retail. I'm personally going to play PV as soon as possible since that level was the thing that initially led me to the Diehard Forums in 2001 that eventually became TresCom.

For anyone interested, I put together a quick table comparing the sizes of the various level files between the retail and beta:

http://diehard.50webs.com/filesizecomparison.html

[ASSEMbler]

Maybe we could settle the licensing with a $5 donation to a charity or similar to make up for the lack of being able to tuck that money into the actual programmer's pocket.

[hppav]

Big Red is planning on creating a patch to make the beta more stable. He says that ATX will not work on the beta exe since the exe would likely be very different from the release version (which was created on 10/6/1998). Just to let you know before you try to install it on the beta exe. MP is currently ironing out the details on how to distribute. He hopes to have things ready by Monday.

[ASSEMbler]

Excellent

[hppav]

I will add that the discussion is ongoing so details might change. MP is the one who will make the final decisions about this. I can't guarantee anything at this point other than we will distribute. When and how may change at any time.

Patience is a virtue to everyone waiting :) I suggest you guys find a way to get the retail game (There are various ways) and play through it so you can get an accurate comparison later. Should keep you preoccupied for a while at least. It will also give you guys some practice with the complicated control scheme.

[ASSEMbler]

I wonder if there isn't some sort of way of getting this on direct2drive for $5.

[PrOfUnD Darkness]

I got the retail version, translated to portuguese (yeah the dialogs too). Nice to read about the beta release.

[C.Badfurday]

Thanks! Looks like lots of fun.

[ASSEMbler]

I got the retail version, translated to portuguese (yeah the dialogs too). Nice to read about the beta release. Hey, I know about the official German and (Latin American) Spanish versions of the game, didn't know there was actually a (Brazilian, I assume) Portuguese release too... I'd like a look at it. Could you tell me if the executable is version 1.1.7? The original US/UK releases in English are version 1.1.6, the patch brings them up to 1.1.7, but both the German and Spanish versions are 1.1.7 out of the box, as well as the demo (that being the reason there is no patch for those versions, I guess).

Hmmm... I wonder if this means it was also released in French, Japanese and Chinese (languages mentioned in the manual), too. Would be interesting to track them all down.

Time to 'scan' your 'horizons'. I dropped the 'anchor' at 'the bay'. Wink wink nudge nudge. ;-)

Yaaar