Taito Type X2 any problems playing in the UK?

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Has anyone in the UK got a Taito Type X2?

I just want to know whether it will play ok with the voltage here in the UK.

I've read somewhere that it has a internal AC adaptor for I think 110/240v which means I wouldn't need a voltage adaptor.

I've got all the pieces I need to run it. But I just want to make sure I don't fry it. :DOH:

Thanks!!

[Parris]

Hi,

Yes the motherboard PSU is auto switching between 110/220vac. I have one, as do a number of other members here (or atleast they DID have them, not so sure now).

Just so you know I ain't kidding you:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/Parris1972/Candy%20Cabs/DSC02843.jpg

What you running?

YW!

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Thanks for the pic! :thumbsup:

Wouldn't mind a SF4 but I woouldn't want to get two of them just to play two player! :oh:

I've recently got the Kof MIRA, so looking forward to playing this over the weekend!

[Segata Sanshiro]

Hi,

Yes the motherboard PSU is auto switching between 110/220vac. I have one, as do a number of other members here (or atleast they DID have them, not so sure now).

The Taito Type X2 is basically just a PC isn't it? Mostly all PSUs these days are auto switching. :nod:

[Parris]

The Taito Type X2 is basically just a PC isn't it? Mostly all PSUs these days are auto switching. :nod:

A very expensive PC that's not exactly got the best spec for the money!

[Segata Sanshiro]

They run XP embedded though right? A lot lighter than a full operating system as I'm sure you know. It's a bit like Konami and their Bemani PC, which is even worse than the Taito Type X2. Lol!

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Well it powers on fine!! :icon_bigg Thanks!

However, it seems my KoF MIRA is not compatible with my monitor... :crying:

Does anyone know where I can get an up/down scan converter, what type and how much they cost?

Does it need to be an scan converter that converts VGA into CGA/CVBS/S?

:confused: (http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/parts/other/Arcade_Video_Converter_Board_%28VGA_TO_CGA%29_8006 .html)

[Parris]

Well it powers on fine!! :icon_bigg Thanks!

However, it seems my KoF MIRA is not compatible with my monitor... :crying:

Does anyone know where I can get an up/down scan converter, what type and how much they cost?

Does it need to be an scan converter that converts VGA into CGA/CVBS/S?

:confused: (http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/parts/other/Arcade_Video_Converter_Board_%28VGA_TO_CGA%29_8006 .html)

What do you mean "not compatible"? Is it not displaying anything? Is it perhaps the CRT / LED dip switch to the rear of the PC? There is a series of dips and one of them selects the type of output. Let me check tomorrow which one it is as I cannot remember off the top of my head.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Basically, I can hear the sound of the game, but the screen is black with faint diagonal lines. I am just using a normal TV with a super gun and not an arcade cabinet.

I checked the manual as it says that it may be because it needs a scan converter. Would I need a HD TV to play it?

Also with regards with the dip switches, the manual shows where the dip switches would be, but on the actual system it just has a black plastic rectangle covering what would have been the dip switch. I've tried picking at it to see if it will come off and see if there is anything behind it, but it won't budge. :confused:

[Parris]

Basically, I can hear the sound of the game, but the screen is black with faint diagonal lines. I am just using a normal TV with a super gun and not an arcade cabinet.

I checked the manual as it says that it may be because it needs a scan converter. Would I need a HD TV to play it?

Also with regards with the dip switches, the manual shows where the dip switches would be, but on the actual system it just has a black plastic rectangle covering what would have been the dip switch. I've tried picking at it to see if it will come off and see if there is anything behind it, but it won't budge. :confused:

Can you take an image of that black cover please - interested to see whether there are different revisions of the motherboard.

Why not try a standard VGA monitor first of all?

[Borman]

Id check to see if you can change the resolution, Id be surprised if the game didnt support 15k (though I guess its possible, seeing as though its a PC. I know little about these systems)

[Parris]

I can try mine through a supergun as well, just to check for you, I'll try a couple of different things that might help and I'll give you the results.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

I don't have the equipment to take a picture to upload, but I found an image of the Taito Type X on the net that has the black panel like my one.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/72/img7787.th.jpg

According to this website below the black panel does cover the dip switches.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/72/img7787.th.jpg&imgrefurl=http://arcadefever.blogspot.com/&usg=__DG4DqQECLmgw-PGjEeCva2akRNA=&h=128&w=150&sz=4&hl=en&start=46&um=1&tbnid=plezECbWaQxbnM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtaito%2Btype%2Bx2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3D en%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40%26um%3D1

This link is a picture of the Taito Type X2 with that Black Panel.
http://www.neo-arcadia.de/ekof1.jpg


Yeah, if you could let me know that would be great. :thumbsup: I wouldn't want to just get a new monitor without exhausting all other possible options.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Oh yeah, also I don't have a PC monitor at home to test it on... that is the standard VGA right? Sorry I'm a bit clueless about these things.

I do know that it has been tested and it works on a PC monitor. The people who sold it to me send a picture of it attached to a PC monitor.

I read on wiki that the Taito needs Video output: 640x480 (VGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA)), or 1280x720 (HDTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV) 720p) So maybe the solution is a new TV :-(


Any ideas on the dip switches?

[Parris]

Right, if your Taito is the same as the one pictured. A) Don't use the VGA output B) purchase a DVI to VGA convertor (it's easy to obtain in places like Maplins) and connect the VGA monitor cable to the VGA out on the butt end of the DVI convertor as that's 31kHz output and will work.

Your unit does NOT have dipswitch setting as the GFX card has the 2 settings output via 2 separate connectors. So on that GFX card you have: 1) DVI = 31kHz 2) VGA = 15kHz

Check the end connection type you need relates to the VGA cable you have: It should be MALE DVI to FEMALE VGA (but check what ending you have on your VGA cable)

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=97442

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

I think the DVI to VGA converter came with the Taito Type X2. It looks like the one in maplins. Though it didn't work when we plugged it in.

I better go double check on the end connection.

I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks!

[Parris]

I think the DVI to VGA converter came with the Taito Type X2. It looks like the one in maplins. Though it didn't work when we plugged it in.

I better go double check on the end connection.

I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks!

What were you connecting on the other end of the VGA cable? PC monitor.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

I wasn't using a PC monitor. The VGA cable was connected to the Capcom I/O Board which is connected to the supergun. The supergun is connected to a TV (but not a flat screen or high def one) via a scart lead. Is this wrong then? :confused:
I just followed the same principle as a Sega Naomi.

Sorry for being a pain. (>_<) I appreciate your help! :pray:

[Parris]

I wasn't using a PC monitor. The VGA cable was connected to the Capcom I/O Board which is connected to the supergun. The supergun is connected to a TV (but not a flat screen or high def one) via a scart lead. Is this wrong then? :confused:
I just followed the same principle as a Sega Naomi.

Sorry for being a pain. (>_<) I appreciate your help! :pray:

I would connect a PC monitor directly - I am removing a Taito motherboard tonight and will grab the same set up as yourself and test it, albeit I do have a Hi Def TV, we'll see whether that works.

Parris

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

That's great! Thank you so much for your help! I'll look forward to your results. Fingers crossed!!!

I'll see if I can borrow someone's PC monitor. I don't have a PC where the supergun is located so its a bit difficult to test.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

I managed to get it showing a picture on a 720p screen by connecting the cable directly to the PC input. Yey!!!

So it all works fine. I think it was just that it cannot be used on an old TV.

Now all that needs to be done is the wiring om the pads. It seems that C and D doesn't work. :(

[Parris]

Yeah, I got the same result - sorry, I meant to post an image before now, but I've been really busy. Glad to hear you got an output and it's working for you.

It's a JVS I/O (Jamma on Taito I/O), how are you setting the CP up?

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

That's OK, I thank you for your time. I'm glad it works too! I was worried that the game didn't work! It's a shame another problem has arised with the buttons though!




It's a JVS I/O (Jamma on Taito I/O), how are you setting the CP up?

Do you mean pc? I'm using a Capcom I/O board with the Taito that only has the USB looking cable attached between the two.

Do you think there maybe a problem with the loom that may be causing a problem? Or the wiring in the Supergun that has caused the C & D not to work? I thought A, B & C would work as it is the standard buttons for all games regardless of the make.

[Parris]

That's OK, I thank you for your time. I'm glad it works too! I was worried that the game didn't work! It's a shame another problem has arised with the buttons though!



Do you mean pc? I'm using a Capcom I/O board with the Taito that only has the USB looking cable attached between the two.

Do you think there maybe a problem with the loom that may be causing a problem? Or the wiring in the Supergun that has caused the C & D not to work? I thought A, B & C would work as it is the standard buttons for all games regardless of the make.

Hi,

No, CP (Control Panel), but you are using a Capcom I/O so it's ok. Which games title are you running?

The USB looking cable is the JVS serial cable. It's only a USB in the sense that they borrowed an existing cable / i/o and hi-jacked it for their own needs. It wouldn't work if you connected a USB device to it, put it that way!

We used a Capcom I/O for SF4 in an Egret 3 a couple of months ago and we needed the Capcom Kick Harness for all 6 buttons. Also SF4 on the Taito is 1 player per motherboard.

http://www.solvalou.com/arcade_naomicapcom.php

What Supergun and controllers are you using?

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Hi,

No, CP (Control Panel), but you are using a Capcom I/O so it's ok. Which games title are you running?

We only have the Kof Regulation A at the moment. Not too sure if we would look for any others for the time being though. They weight too much making the shipping more expensive!



We used a Capcom I/O for SF4 in an Egret 3 a couple of months ago and we needed the Capcom Kick Harness for all 6 buttons. Also SF4 on the Taito is 1 player per motherboard.

So you can get a kick harness for the Taito? Is that because of one of the connectors on the Capcom IO Board? That's good to know actually! I wonder if you can use it for the KoF that I have? I think the Kof is four buttons though...



What Supergun and controllers are you using?
I dunno what the supergun is. It was originally purchased from Hearts Leisure in London yonks ago... But its been recently modified by someoneelse to include test and services switches, so I have no idea what it would be on the inside.
The pads are just your standard Neo Geo four button pads.
The loom was changed as well, therefore the pads had to be re-wired-so maybe the wiring is all different? The buttons works for all other games though.

[Parris]

I know very little about the Capcom I/O and no longer actually own one. My only experience of the Taito / Capcom I/O combination is SF4 and even then just until we placed the units in Naomi SD cabinets that didn't require the Capcom I/O and all 6 buttons worked out of the box (so to speak), so it would seem to me to be a limitation of the Capcom I/O rather than something to do with the Taito.

Also, if the buttons on the sticks worked on other Jamma titles, then I would suggest it's the lack of kick harness that is the issue.

How you finding KoF then?

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

If its a kick harness issue, what type of kick harness would I need? The ones we have are for capcom game boards like CP2's. It would be good if that could be used.

KoF Regulation A is great!! I know alot of KoF fans prefer the 2D ones, but the graphics are amazing and there are alot of characters to pick from. I haven't managed to actually play it properly, as there is no kick buttons, but I have played the Playstation version. Absolutely top!!

It's also much better than the KoF 12. That one is garbage, they messed up the look of the characters and ruined the moves as well, especially Ralf and Iori. No bosses, no taunts at the beging of the fight. The list is endless.

[Parris]

If it IS the Kick Harness, then you can have one made up for you. Someone here might make them, or alternatively... go to www.arcadeotaku.com join the site and ask for Devil Soundwave. He made them for the IC09 event and they were good quality. I think they were £10-15 ;-) say Parris sent you. :thumbsup:

I've not played KOF on the Taito yet. Last KOF I enjoyed was on the Atomiswave, and I've still got it lying around somewhere.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

That's great! Thanks for the link!

I'm gonna find out if it can be done. I just need to find a way to see if it is the kick harness.

[Parris]

That's great! Thanks for the link!

I'm gonna find out if it can be done. I just need to find a way to see if it is the kick harness.

Did you get this sorted?

[Parris]

Anyone unfamiliar with the Taito Type X2 motherboard (used in the arcade version of titles such as SFIV & Trouble Witches etc), here are a few hasty image of my system. The only thing missing is the HDD & HDD tray which rests directly over the heatsink & CPU. Not the best design idea, granted.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/Parris1972/Arcade%20mobo/DSC02994.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/Parris1972/Arcade%20mobo/DSC03001.jpg

It's a P4 3.4GHz processor with a unique JVS I/O and the firmware on the graphics card is specific to the Taito board.

[Midori_Ninja_Kasumi]

Hello!

I'm waiting to get a new supergun to be wired up for the kick buttons. So I will see how that turns out. I don't think it needs a kick harness for it.

[asasega]

how does the loading works on type x,x2 and lindbergh
they are constanly loading from disc like namco 246 or they are copying the game to some kind of memory like naomi

[asasega]

how does the loading works on type x,x2 and lindbergh
they are constanly loading from disc like namco 246 or they are copying the game to some kind of memory like naomi

[Parris]

Hi, sorry I never spotted this question. The Taito X2 board uses an HDD for OS & game data, whereas Naomi & System 246 use cartridges, DVD / GDroms.

Naomi 1 uses carts just like a games console with a cart loader. Almost instant plug & play. It also has a DIMM cart allowing you to connect up a GDrom. In the DIMM are memory sticks (normally 256Mb or 512Mb) and the GDrom reads on power up, gets stored and can be battery backed to speed loading times on power down / up. The GDrom isn't normally accessed again until the following power up.

The System 246 acts like a PS2 accessing the games disc constantly.

As far as I can tell with the Taito (as I've not paid too much attention to the HDD activity), is that the HDD is in almost constant use for certain titles. SFIV seems to require HDD accessing if I remember rightly.

Next time I power it up I'll pay more attention. :nod:

[Serantes]

if anyone cares ...
taito type x2 is a crappy cheap computer with 4 serial ports, one of the serials ports is hooked to a jvs board. Games for such system open serial port2 to listen for controlls, any pc can run type x2 games if you rip the jvs board from a typex2 and you plug it on com2 of the computer.
Worst thing ever honestly, taito has a LOT to learn from sega with theyr lindbergh, and not only on security (lindbergh has more than 5 layers of protections, they did some mistakes, but the whole system is pretty good for a computer).
Typex and typex2 look and feel as cheap computers and indeed those are what those are.
Just to show you how much is called a system, typex sdk (this is how is called, cause its an sdk for the whole plataform)
is just 2 libraries XIO and JVSIO
2 fuckn dlls and two fuckn pdfs is the whole sdk, cause games are just windows games with serial interface controlls.

[Parris]

LOL @ Serantes!

Yeah, I agree it's not worth Taito's asking price and I had to laugh at the lack of security. I suspect Taito are not terribly pleased with themselves.

On the "Any PC..."

Don't you also need to upgrade the firmware on the graphics card or is it standard?

Plus how easy is it to obtain the specific revision of JVS board?

The rest, as you say is off the shelf stamped with TAITO.

I didn't realise just how secure the Lind was until I spoke to AndyGeezer about it and saw internal images. Pretty good piece of kit.

[Serantes]

LOL @ Serantes!

Yeah, I agree it's not worth Taito's asking price and I had to laugh at the lack of security. I suspect Taito are not terribly pleased with themselves.

On the "Any PC..."

Don't you also need to upgrade the firmware on the graphics card or is it standard?

Plus how easy is it to obtain the specific revision of JVS board?

The rest, as you say is off the shelf stamped with TAITO.

I didn't realise just how secure the Lind was until I spoke to AndyGeezer about it and saw internal images. Pretty good piece of kit.
Once games are decrypted, it dosent matters wich gfx card you got, all the checks are done by taitos loader.
Lindbergh is a NEC Pentium 4 748 computer, but the differenceis that this machine was designed from scrach to be an arcade board, so it looks and feels as an arcade board, i am really happy with my board to be honest, love the plataform for tons of things :)

[Parris]

Once games are decrypted, it dosent matters wich gfx card you got, all the checks are done by taitos loader.

Ha, I wasn't thinking so much of "hacked" titles, but that is good to know.


Lindbergh is a NEC Pentium 4 748 computer, but the differenceis that this machine was designed from scrach to be an arcade board, so it looks and feels as an arcade board, i am really happy with my board to be honest, love the plataform for tons of things :)

You have a Lind? :love:

[Serantes]

Ha, I wasn't thinking so much of "hacked" titles, but that is good to know.



You have a Lind? :love:
I do

[asasega]

thx for the reply Parris
typex,2,lindbergh having hdd's probably they are working just like PC games, no point in loading the whole game on a separate ram dimm like naomi
Serantes tell us more about the Lindbergh :)

[Parris]

Serantes: Can I come to Spain and see it? lol

How about a separate Lind thread, just a few images of it up and running.

[Serantes]

Serantes: Can I come to Spain and see it? lol

How about a separate Lind thread, just a few images of it up and running.
Hi Parris
i already got tons of pictures on my blog and i was going to make a nice post about security on the system, but i got pissed about mame tards and decided to close my blog.
If you want see anything from the hardware i can take you pics
To resume, the board is a pentium 4 shocket 478
security chip is hoocked to the board bus itself
There is a pci board that handles jvs and the security chip itself.
The sound board is a sound blaster one with sega logo on it
Well
just one pic so you see how the board likes inside
http://www.amusements-shop.com/lindnaked2.JPG
sorry for the nasty tag, but i am tired about see my images everywhere and i am to lazy to tag it with other thing than excell :)
gfx card is located under the tag

[Serantes]

also Parris
games look and do feel such as Chihiro ones, there are some crappy ones aswell, 2 spicy looks shit (i havent played it cause i need a gun harness to hook my setup, and i am really lazy to spend the small free time i got to build me one)
I dont really like so much house of the dead 4 aswell, but lets go jungle and after burner are amazing games, and i really like virtua tennis 3 aswell

[Parris]

Thanks for that Serantes. After Burner is one title I'd like to see up and running on that unit. :thumbsup:

[Serantes]

Thanks for that Serantes. After Burner is one title I'd like to see up and running on that unit. :thumbsup:
its as good as you can see it on youtube, fast and nice, i plan to make a custom cp for it, thats what i wanted to get a baseball cp on arcade otaku, to use the 2 pots, one for handling and the other for the speed. This is another thing on my todo list atm.

[Parris]

its as good as you can see it on youtube, fast and nice, i plan to make a custom cp for it, thats what i wanted to get a baseball cp on arcade otaku, to use the 2 pots, one for handling and the other for the speed. This is another thing on my todo list atm.

Okay, I put it another way. After Burner is one titles I would like to PLAY on that unit, which is what I meant lol. Let me know when you get board with the Lind. Have you dropped Chihiro now?

[Serantes]

Okay, I put it another way. After Burner is one titles I would like to PLAY on that unit, which is what I meant lol. Let me know when you get board with the Lind. Have you dropped Chihiro now? to be honest, i dont really play anything, when i got outrun 2 sp on chihiro i said : this is an amazing game i am going to play, i built me a pad for it and i played maybe 1 day, game is amazing, but i tend to loose atention soon.
Lindbergh still has to give me a lot more fun, i have spent a lot of time on it, and every day i discover something new, this is a really nice designed system, from software to hardware layer, i am sure sega spent a lot of time on that.

Also, if you think typex2 is nosy, this one is even worst, i tried to unplug the big fan inside, but after 1 minute, games such as virtua tennis start to do weird things, so i had to plug it back (even the fan on the gpu is working and so and the machine seems cold)

I spent a fortune on this machine and i plan to keep it for a lot of time, the thing parris, is that i noticed that is pent soo much money on crappy games and so, and at the end its better to spend that money on more expensive things but more worth ones than have a ton of crappy ones ...

[asasega]

Serantes you are Alex!?, congrats for the work you are doing
too bad Guru doesnt feel the same way
when you finish your controller project post some pictures if you wish, thx

[Serantes]

Serantes you are Alex!?, congrats for the work you are doing
too bad Guru doesnt feel the same way
when you finish your controller project post some pictures if you wish, thx
yes, i am Alex
guru is just a tard without a brain, but dont think those mame guys are better than him.
Trush me when i say that they did a bad choice not wanted me on mame and just wanted my stuff as a fast shoot.
I am and i will allways be in advance of guru, mame guys are happy cause they managed to dump namco dongles, what a sucess to read a chip, now they have to figure encryption and protection.
Just to see how tard guru is, he offers the same thing that i did : send me a dongle that i dont have and another one, and i will clone this one into the one you want.
Guru offers that but he says dongles are not crypted, i wonder how is he going to clone dongles without defeat encryption LOL
Sometimes i would like that things would be as easy as read a chip, everyone would be building cave boards so

[Parris]

The Taito X2 for it's price is pretty limited, very noisy (sad to hear the Lind is worse) and as you say, just a PC. Frankly Taito appear to have spent 10 minutes on it. I think most people are disappointed when they fire up an X2 given how much it costs currently. When it's down to a £150 or so, then they'll possibly appreciate it more. Some of the titles are pretty good, but then again I think it's been overtaken double fold by Lind and it does appear to be the next system to concentrate on.

If I sold off a couple of cabs I could go for a Lind. Andy has them in stock, but I want to wait and see what springs up for them. So far AB is all I am really interested in.

You are more into the hardware Alex, always have been ;-)