How many m2 were released?

[darkportrait]

:shrug:see title:shrug:

[bitrate]

None were released.

[darkportrait]

None were released.
that what i though, how many prototypes were made?

[pitsunami]

that what i though, how many prototypes were made?

Who knows?!!:lol:

[darkportrait]

Who knows?!!:lol:
i sure as hell dont :lol:

[skavenger216]

I dont know how many proto M2's were made, but i think its a safe bet to say a good majority of them are owned by ASSEMbler members.

[retro]

None were released.

Uhh, what?!?

Try telling that to the GM dealers who bought a kiosk running on M2 hardware.

http://faberp.tripod.com/m2fz35spr.html

Or the arcade operators who bought machines running on M2 hardware.

http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyer&db=videodb&id=2169&image=1

Or the companies who bought coffee vending machines running on M2 hardware.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8896/m2coffee.jpg


:rolleyes:

[bitrate]

Uhh, what?!?

Try telling that to the GM dealers who bought a kiosk running on M2 hardware.

http://faberp.tripod.com/m2fz35spr.html

Or the arcade operators who bought machines running on M2 hardware.

http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyer&db=videodb&id=2169&image=1

Or the companies who bought coffee vending machines running on M2 hardware.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8896/m2coffee.jpg


:rolleyes:


Uhhh, by your own admission those examples you gave are ONLY machines "RUNNING" M2 hardware.
:rolleyes:
They are not M2 units.

[Jamtex]

Seems a bit of an overkill to use a M2 to serve coffee, or did it display a picture of a wonderful fresh roasted and ground coffee with a hint of the freshest milk but in reality gave you a cup of flavourless instant coffee with powdered milk that last saw a cow many years ago? A bit like the real M2 renders and the games that did appear... :lol:

[darkportrait]

lol thats cool about the coffee and vending machines!

but on average how much would it cost to get my hands on one? A M2 CONSOLE not the vending machine :p

oh @WindowsKiller

Final black FZ-21S1: a few hundred
FZ-35S kiosk: a few thousand
Arcade systems: exactly 5000 boards were made. Dunno if they made as many cabinets as well.

Dev. cards (all revisions): about 4000 (most were sent back and destroyed)
Prototypes: Very hard to say, but most likely less than 100.

thxs for the information!

[darkportrait]

On which one? You can get a FZ-35S kiosk unit quite cheap, but they don't look very stylish and are only really useful if you have software to run on.

For showing, you probably want a black FZ-21S. Even though I know a couple of people who have or had one, no one ever disclosed the price they went for. But I assume something from $2500 to $3000. But even if you got the money, you won't find anyone selling his FZ-21S.

Tausend Dank! that solves that problem so i guess it would be pointless to buy one then?

[darkportrait]

You still haven't told which model you're after. If you just want M2 hardware, then you could buy one of the arcade games. They are not that expensive and on the Battle Tryst, Heat of Eleven, and Evil Night hardware, the games can be swapped using a tool I wrote.

On the FZ-35S kiosk unit on the other hand, you can not only play beta games but also all the GM car catalogues that were released for it.

Though, of course, the only M2 game that you can download is this:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21021 well im after anything cheapish... i saw a ebay listing for a m2 dev production unit of over 2k and cried becuase of the price so anything lower than 1k-$500 canadian im after! i dont care if its the gm kiosks or arcade units or actual consoles! or even cd's dev sdk's or games or documents would be great too

EDIT: probally a kiosk unit would be better

[retro]

Uhhh, by your own admission those examples you gave are ONLY machines "RUNNING" M2 hardware.
:rolleyes:
They are not M2 units.

Yes, they ARE! Those are M2 UNITS. They are not M2 CONSOLES. Still, as he didn't specify consoles and just said M2.....

[darkportrait]

Yes, they ARE! Those are M2 UNITS. They are not M2 CONSOLES. Still, as he didn't specify consoles and just said M2.....

exactly retro your right i didnt specify! i was wanting to know both how many consoles and units were made!

[bitrate]

Yes, they ARE! Those are M2 UNITS.

No, they AREN'T!

They are called point-of-sale/interest media kiosks or, drum roll, a coffee vending machine. The successor to the 3DO video gaming system
was called an M2.


I don't mean any offense to the OP, but after reading his posts in this thread it is quite obvious he didn't know about the FZ-35S, Konami, and coffee vending machine examples you gave even though he now says that's what he was originally asking for information on in addition to the M2 video gaming console.

If that was indeed the information he was after, it seems strange to me that he hasn't brought up the fact that numbers for this unit haven't been posted.


http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/bitrate_photos/DSC05668_20.jpg


It was blatantly obvious he was asking about the M2 video gaming console and that was what my statement was directed at.
If not he would have written something along the lines of "but what about those car dealership kiosks that are floating around?" after I made the statement that none were released.

Instead he wrote:


that what i though, how many prototypes were made?

[darkportrait]

No, they AREN'T!

They are called point-of-sale/interest media kiosks or, drum roll, a coffee vending machine. The successor to the 3DO video gaming system
was called an M2.


I don't mean any offense to the OP, but after reading his posts in this thread it is quite obvious he didn't know about the FZ-35S, Konami, and coffee vending machine examples you gave even though he now says that's what he was originally asking for information on in addition to the M2 video gaming console.

If that was indeed the information he was after, it seems strange to me that he hasn't brought up the fact that numbers for this unit haven't been posted.


http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/bitrate_photos/DSC05668_20.jpg


It was blatantly obvious he was asking about the M2 video gaming console and that was what my statement was directed at.
If not he would have written something along the lines of "but what about those car dealership kiosks that are floating around?" after I made the statement that none were released.

Instead he wrote:

at first i did want to know about just the console but after i found out about them i wanted to learn more and changed my view of this topic i understand were your coming from, but i just never editied my post and i think i can change my mind cant i?

[bitrate]

at first i did want to know about just the console but after i found out about them i wanted to learn more and changed my view of this topic i understand were your coming from, but i just never editied my post and i think i can change my mind cant i?



Absolutely. And I really did not mean to get on your case about this. I apologize if I came across that way.
My issue was with retro acting as if my post was way off-base when in reality it was his post that was inappropriate for the given question.

[darkportrait]

Absolutely. And I really did not mean to get on your case about this. I apologize if I came across that way.
My issue was with retro acting as if my post was way off-base when in reality it was his post that was inappropriate for the given question.

oh i understand im sorry if i got angry? it doesnt matter about the posts they were all informational so its alll good!

[retro]

Absolutely. And I really did not mean to get on your case about this. I apologize if I came across that way.
My issue was with retro acting as if my post was way off-base when in reality it was his post that was inappropriate for the given question.

My post was not inappropriate. BOTH the console and the vending machines / POS systems / arcade machines run M2 hardware. His question clearly asks how many M2 were released. As he doesn't state CONSOLE, M2 means anythinh running on M2 hardware. You are WRONG, not I.

Fucking noobs. Don't argue with long-standing members on boards you are new on. It is obvious you're just trying to be cocky. FAIL.

[bitrate]

... and you still don't get it.



Don't argue with long-standing members...

I'll argue with whomever I choose.



Fucking noobs.


I first joined this forum back in Feb 2005 (a year after you). The site underwent some changes while I was away and I didn't get a chance to save my old account from being deleted, so I created this one (using the same name) in 2006. That doesn't exactly make me a noob.

Likewise, I've been collecting/researching 3DO/M2 since early 2000, which also disqualifies me as a noob.

In fact, I've probably forgotten more about M2 than you'll ever know.




Fucking noobs. Don't argue with long-standing members on boards you are new on. It is obvious you're just trying to be cocky. FAIL.


Those last few sentences there scream of someone around the age of 16 or so. Seriously, who says something like that?
Ironic that you accuse me of being cocky right after stating that you are not to be argued with, not because you are a well-informed M2 enthusiast, but on the grounds that you are a "long-standing member" here.




His question clearly asks how many M2 were released. As he doesn't state CONSOLE...


He has already admitted that was what he was asking and I find it humorous that such a "long-standing member" such as yourself didn't recognise that. I knew exactly what he was asking and so did at least one other heavy M2 collector on these boards.




His question clearly asks how many M2 were released.


Yes, and the M2 is the unreleased video game system.

M2 was not only the hardware it was running, but more importantly to this discussion, it was it's NAME.

None of those other machines you memtion were ever called an M2 except by people on Ebay attempting to capitalize on the M2 namesake or in an effort to educate people to the fact that those units have M2 hardware.
-This is the distinction you are failing to realize.-

[retro]

Bitrate, you're quite right. You're a fairly long-standing member, as proved by this post:


My new 3DO M2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just received another M2 unit yesterday. This one supposedly came from a big name game developer so I'm a little excited to see what's on the hard drive.

But wait... did you refer to your development system as an "M2 unit" and "My new 3DO M2"? How is that possible? You've already educated us that there were no M2s released, and therefore no such thing as an M2.

Oh, and I guess the term I was looking for was lurker. 4 years and under 50 posts... that's what I'm getting at. Hardly an active member of the community.

I for one would welcome your contributions and acknowledge your experience in the 3DO / M2 field if:

1. You'd actually start posting and sharing that knowledge
2. You weren't such a cocky git when you do so.

Don't forget, there ARE people who know less than you. There's no need to be a twat to them.

Incidentally, I joined THIS forum in 2004, sure... I beta tested it before anyone else knew of its existence, when it was merely accessible by IP address. assemblergames.com pointed at the old phpBB forum, of which I was a member... and before that I was a member of the ezboards/proboards based forum (whatever it was, I forget now - we're talking like 10 years ago!).

Windowskiller has posted many interesting things about the M2 and is not a jerk about it. I'm glad to hear him support my statement. See? I DO know what I'm talking about. Sorry, but you're never going to be the M2 guru around here. If you lose the attitude, people might value and respect your opinions, though.

[bitrate]

Bitrate, you're quite right. You're a fairly long-standing member, as proved by this post:
... Hardly an active member of the community.



As I said before, I was a member here before that post. Not that it matters. I understand that I am not a long-standing active member here and I really was not trying to claim otherwise. I was trying to point out that I was not what you referred to as a "noob".
At the same time, I understand that you are a long-standing member. You are also a well respected member as well. Why you felt the need to bring membership status into this conversation is a little strange.





Incidentally, I joined THIS forum in 2004, sure... I beta tested it before anyone else knew of its existence, when it was merely accessible by IP address. assemblergames.com pointed at the old phpBB forum, of which I was a member... and before that I was a member of the ezboards/proboards based forum (whatever it was, I forget now - we're talking like 10 years ago!).


No need to post a resume retro. Unlike you, I never attacked your member status as a tool to support my argument.



Fucking noobs.

...cocky git

...twat


Also, unlike you, I have not resorted to calling people names.




Sorry, but I have to correct you. They were called M2. Officially by Panasonic, even. On archive.org, you can still find the old m2system.com pages if you don't believe it.


I am familiar with those pages.
Sure, Panasonic lumped it in the M2 directory as it ran with M2 technology.
I will still argue that the FZ-35S/Konami arcade system/coffee machine were not called an M2 by itself. The M2 designation by itself was applied to the unreleased video game console.

All of this is a moot point anyway. The OP has already stated he was after release numbers for the M2 video game console which is the exact question I understood him to be asking and the exact question I originally answered.


Honestly, and I admit I may be wrong here, I would wager that retro knew what the OP was asking as well, but he used the opportunity to show his knowledge on the M2 by bringing up those other examples. And retro, you did it in such a way with the whole "try telling that to...", "try telling that to...", "try telling that to..." and the rolling eyes emote that it came across in a very condescending manner and as if my answer was incorrect. This is very odd considering you keep badgering me about being cocky.
Then again, it's also strange to call me cocky and then proceed to bring up your elite membership status as a reason not to have an argument with you, but I digress.


Retro, I'm not quite sure what I did to originally offend you back in my first post in this thread that warranted the whole "try telling that to..." eye roll response.
Maybe my reply to the OP's question was too short. Re-reading it I can see how it could come across as arrogant. I really didn't mean for it to sound that way. If I remember correctly I was in a hurry to step out at the time I posted that reply.
If I had it to do over again I would probably ask for clarification.