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Yakumo
07-03-2008, 11:16 AM
I'm completely rubbish at soldering and would like someone to give a guide on how to actually solder the correct way complete with pictures. I'm sure this would be a massive help not only to myself but to many other members here. Is there anyone up for the job?

Yakumo

alphagamer
07-03-2008, 11:24 AM
here is a guide i found helpful:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-solder/

ASSEMbler
07-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Advice: If it's very small don't try atm. A novice should start out building something like a logic probe or similar. You can get cheap kits off the internet.

sabre470
07-03-2008, 12:16 PM
What are you trying to solder mate? Maybe I can help, I screwed a PSX and a SNES by using too big a tip. Choice of the iron is crucial if you don't want to end up with a blackscreen.:noooo:

alphagamer
07-03-2008, 12:49 PM
i practiced soldering on old and/or broken hardware (e.g. old soundcard).

my first solderjob was a psx modchip and it went smooth.

ASSEMbler
07-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Desoldering is not good schooling imho.

Build a simple circuit you can use. Build a small radio.
You'll learn a lot building a simple FM or AM radio.

kammedo
07-03-2008, 02:52 PM
Get one of those 8 W solder irons, if you plan to solder SMD components they are great.

alphagamer
07-03-2008, 02:57 PM
smd for a beginner? i think not...

Yakumo
07-04-2008, 07:39 AM
Some nice guides there in the links.

I'm not trying to solder anything at the moment though there will be a time in the not so distant future when I will be.

Yakumo

Kami68k
07-04-2008, 05:23 PM
I've always want to learn soldering aswell. Maybe I'll have some free time for that during the next months. Any help in advance is appreciated :)

ASSEMbler
07-04-2008, 05:38 PM
The real key is to start with proper equipment.

As you're in Japan, it abounds so get:

Nice digital iron
Magnifying goggles
"hand free" helper
Jar of flux
Desolder braid
Handheld solder sucker (forget the correct term, it's a spring loaded device that causes a vacuum and removes hot solder that way)
Some nice illegal lead solder from america (fuck this lead free shit, just try using it - 60/40 forever)
Some kynar wire (wirewrapping wire)
Nonconductive tape - Not electricians tape
Nonconductive double sided tape
1 min epoxy or proper high temp hot glue gun.

alphagamer
07-04-2008, 05:42 PM
Handheld solder sucker (forget the correct term, it's a spring loaded device that causes a vacuum and removes hot solder that way)

desoldering pump

ASSEMbler
07-04-2008, 06:37 PM
desoldering pump

Thanks. Been using the same 1980's vintage one
I only know it by the brand name soldapullt.

Calpis
07-04-2008, 06:47 PM
I really recommend NOT using a spring-powered sucker, using them on an old board almost guarantees a you suck up a via!

Nothing matters more in soldering than having a fine tip and patience.

Stone
07-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Some nice illegal lead solder from america (fuck this lead free shit, just try using it - 60/40 forever)
Amen to that.

Calpis is right, too hot an iron along with a desoldering pump (in the UK we call them 'solder suckers', heh) is a nightmare for removing traces. Solder wick/braid works much better.

alphagamer: Everyone's a novice at SMD eventually ;) There's not that many tricks to it, it's just practice practice practice. And good equipment.

Stone

ASSEMbler
07-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Well let's pretend everyone is smart enough to use one properly.

I've never ever had a problem using mine. They make more than one
model for a reason. I have several.

andoba
07-04-2008, 07:10 PM
A tutorial won't help you with soldering, just search for a broken board or get a broken PC component from Hard Off for 50Y XD, and practice, practice a lot, it's the only way for learning, if you want to see your results you could try doing for example the region mod to your Mega Drive 1 (DO NOT ATTEMPT 2, BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, until you get better), which is incredibly easy, and well, do play around with your broken board until you get to solder, unsolder and work with SMD things fine.

madhatter256
07-04-2008, 07:42 PM
I tried tutorials but never really helped, but that one link just posted is pretty good as it gives you safety measures. You do not want to breathe those fumes in, believe me.

Also, lead free is ok if you're doing SMD or any soldering just so as long as the components do not get hot and cold rapidly as that will cause the joint to crack and you'll lose the solder joint. Lead free is ok for modding consoles, etc.

Anyway, a word of advice, start big, then work your way down to small.

What you want to achieve when soldering is to have the solder bead out, than look like a sphere.

I started with broken PC motherboards down to busted HDD controller boards. For modding consoles, 30gauge wiring is all you need.

I practiced a lot before I undertook modding my PSX console, then practiced some more before I modded my PSTwo and look how it turned out:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z145/madhatter256/collection_old/myPS2002.jpg

No problems with it whatsoever :).

alphagamer
07-04-2008, 07:49 PM
modding a psx is a piece of cake compared to modding a ps2, good job with the hotglue.

retro
07-05-2008, 03:36 AM
OK, I'll throw my two cents' worth in....

PREPARATION: First, and something people don't do often enough, PREPARE YOUR WORK AREA PROPERLY!! Give yourself a good amount of space, and a good amount of light. Get a nice anglepoise light (the ones that have a hinged arm). A magnifying one may be a good idea... if possible, get a proper soldering one (will set you back around £50-60). If you solder for too long in poorly lit conditions, you WILL strain your eyes, you WILL get a headache, and your work will suffer.

Make sure you have all tools and components to hand that you will need. There is nothing worse than having to get up and go looking for something, especially if it means putting down a partly assembled board or leaving a hot iron unattended! I would usually have screwdrivers, a knife, wire cutters, pliers, tweezers, a heat shunt, solder (duh!), helping hands, wire, a needle / scraper and some kind of cleaner for the iron (probably sponge). Put components in trays so they don't roll onto the floor! Likewise, do the same with screws you remove!

Some cheap irons come on their own. You will need a stand - one with a sponge. Wet the sponge before you start. Don't be afraid to wet it - give it a good soak, then wring it out lightly so it doesn't drip as you carry it back to your work area.

IRON SELECTION: You'll most likely start off with a fixed temperature mains iron. I would go somewhere in the range of 18-30W - the Antex CS or XS are good starter irons, and often come in kits with a stand and maybe a reel of solder. I changed the bit on my CS to a slightly smaller one - I think the default was 3mm and I went for a 1mm - because I was doing SMD stuff. You basically want an iron that will heat up quickly, but not overheat. Unfortunately, you can't really control mains irons, so you'll eventually want to go for a temperature controlled station. I use a Weller. These will have a much higher rated iron (usually 50W or 60W) - this doesn't matter, as you can control the temperature... in fact, you want that! The other advantage of a station is that you can have different irons for different jobs, and not have to worry about cooling it off then changing the bit.

SOLDER SELECTION: Buy fluxed solder on big reels (usually this will be called rosin solder). Try to get the finest gauge you can - I like 22SWG (solder is graded in SWG - the higher the number, the finer the solder). If you want the best (and easiest) soldering, then get hold of some oldschool leaded 60/40. The new stuff is poor in comparison! However, be aware that lead fumes are dangerous. Always work in a well ventilated area. You may want to invest in a fume extraction kit of some sorts - you can get stand-alone filters that sit on the bench, or a kit that attaches to the iron.

The reel is impractical for bench use - it is cumbersome and awkward to get solder off. You can get dispensers, but if you want to save a few quid, get an old (wooden!) cotton reel. Cut off a few feet of solder, and wrap it around the cotton reel. You can then use this to dispense your solder.

NEWBIE TEST PROJECTS: If you're new to this, DON'T start off on your prized console! The best way to learn good soldering practice is to start from scratch. Go to your local electronics store (Radio Shack or Maplin, for example). They will sell kits for various items. As Kev said, a logic probe is a good start. You can get other practical and novelty items - courtesy light add-ons for old cars, buzzers for games, radios. Choose something you might use, but its basically for practice.

GETTING DOWN TO IT: OK, you're almost ready to go! Firstly, check your iron is tinned. To do this, heat the iron up. It is ready when solder will melt on the tip. Put a little solder on the tip and wipe it on your sponge, or use a tip tinning compound. Check your iron every so often whilst soldering, and re-tin when necessary. Keep wiping it on the sponge as a matter of course - do this every time you pick up/replace the iron.

With a small project board, you'll probably want to hold the board in a vice, or "helping hands" (positionable crocodile clips on a stand). Put the component in position through the holes. The legs will be too long - don't worry about that.

The basic principle of good soldering is: heat the pad and the component lead simultaneously, i.e. touch the soldering iron to both. Apply solder (try not to touch the iron), allow it to flow, and remove the iron. It will dry very quickly.

It is important to avoid allowing the solder to come in contact with the iron before the parts are at temperature, or applying solder directly to the iron, as this will result in dry joints. This is where one (or both) of the leg and the pad were not hot enough, and so the solder did not adhere correctly, forming a gap. Even if the joint works to start with, it will most likely fail in time, or be intermittent.

I think that covers the basics, other than general precations. Always put the iron in a stand when not in use. Turn the iron off when not used for a prolonged period of time. Allow the iron sufficient time to cool before moving/storing. Handle static sensitive components (e.g. CMOS logic) with care, preferably with an earthed anti-static mat and wrist strap.

Hope it helps! ;-)

Yakumo
07-05-2008, 06:17 AM
Oh yes, that helps a lot! Thanks :thumbsup:

Yakumo

andoba
07-05-2008, 05:08 PM
What I use, and what is used by most modders in Spain is:

JBC 14S soldering iron. 14W, default tip is 2mm, I got a 1mm tip for SMD and more precise soldering, they cost around 30€ (5k yen), and well, they are quite good overall. I supose that there are 100V versions avaible.

0,5mm rosin core solder, 60% Sn 40% Pb, it's manufacturated in France and is not RoHS, it works good. Way better than some chinese shitty solder I've seen.

Common solder sucker, this one costs around 300 yen and are as alredy said useful, very useful, but you've gotta be quite cautious with them, once I sucked a SMD resistor... XD

A stand with sponge and, this is very, very important, it must have something for FIXING it into the stand, most stands are just a metal spring for heat dispersion, and you just put the iron there, imagine that you move or something and you trip with the iron cord, it will fall and you could get injuried. One which has a clip will help. For added weight and ensuring that it won't fall, find one which has a large base and put on it a broken HDD, a rock or whatever.

Get a power strip and put it on your work table. It might sound retarded, but most stand alone soldering irons have a really short cord. Once I was messing around with the cord because it was too much short and I burnt my face with the iron tip.

And of course, the most important thing when soldering is caring about selfsafety. Go with care, don't be incredibly cautious but be concentrated, remember, you have a 250º stick on your hands.

babu
07-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Also try to avoid inhaling the smoke while soldering as it's not that good for the health. ;-)

EvilWays
07-06-2008, 12:46 AM
One of the first projects I did was a sync separator (using the LM1881 in DIP packaging). Being that it was DIP (pins go thru the PCB and are soldered on the other side of the board), it's the easiest to start learning soldering/desoldering with. If you can solder a DIP chip, you can solder pins in the Xbox LPC area for modding.


For smaller things, get a dead Xbox 1 board and work on soldering and desoldering from the vias (such as the D0 via). This will help with working with smaller spots to solder to (such as the TSOP flash chip on most versions of the Xbox 1 board.

Most importantly, patience is your friend.