Rare Hudson Caravan Video online with Hi-Ten Bomberman footage

[ASSEMbler]

This is a compilation video I made, featuring caravans from 1985-1993
the year Hi-TEN bomberman was used as the main event.

Enjoy this rare game footage!

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[sabre470]

Kevin,

You are spoiling us, footage of Hi-Ten Bomberman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of these kids have some serious shooters skills!!!

Thank you!!!!

Sabre

[Baseley09]

Great vid thanks, i certainly dont play Final soldier like those guys hehe.

[Yakumo]

I've always wondered why the call it Caravan????

Yakumo

[ASSEMbler]

because it moved every year.

[WolverineDK]

impressive and wow :)

[Yakumo]

because it moved every year.
Fair enough. Thanks for letting me know. It had always puzzled me.

Yakumo

[ASSEMbler]

From what a Japanese pal told me, it was a "voyage of hudson corporation" on the move to different locations. :-P

It strikes me as a very western type thing and uncommon for Japan.

Imagine a "Resident evil caravan" moving around Japan, with special limited edition prize games.... slobber...

[Blur2040]

Great vid thanks, i certainly dont play Final soldier like those guys hehe.

Funnily enough, thats exactly how I play Final Soldier. That video sorta makes me wanna buy the rest of the games.

[Baseley09]

You shoukd buy the rest of the games and that includes Gunhead to the naysayers haha! They are all great but Final Soldier is the rocketh one...imo of course.

I play them somewhat slowly and methodical, i get worn out if im zooming around the screen.

[mooseblaster]

Wow... just wow. I'd never thought I'd see footage of the Hudson Caravan stuff. Thanks ASM!

I must admit, watching those kids play Star Soldier, I realise now why I sucked at that game.

[madhatter256]

Great video. Brought back memories of when I would have marathon runs of Truxton, and Raiden.

[Blur2040]

You shoukd buy the rest of the games and that includes Gunhead to the naysayers haha! They are all great but Final Soldier is the rocketh one...imo of course.

I play them somewhat slowly and methodical, i get worn out if im zooming around the screen.

I really want Gunhed but it seems to go for more than I want to pay...maybe I should track down the US version...

It always seemed like a Soldier game to me.

[Szczepaniak]

Awesome video. Great work!

[wheelaa]

The World Cup 90 bit (SSS - one of the great pce tunes) at the end when the guys dies! We've all been there!!

[ave]

Yeah, awesome video!
I actually never saw the Super Star Soldier Caravan Shooting... but I really enjoyed it, also because I've been practicing the 2min Mode of SSS a lot as well. Nice to see how popular these shooters were in the late 80s/early 90s.

[sven666]

great vid :)

never heard of hi-ten bomberman before, what platform was it? its a one-off game?

what shmups is that just before the bomberman footage?

[Barc0de]

firstly, the screen used in hi-ten isn't a plasma, last time I checked they didn't exist back then,

second, even 480p was considered HD i think back in the day.

Awesome footage nevertheless. Very nostalgic. Reminds one of how games *should* be. Raw and addictive with clear sounds that burn into your head.

[Yakumo]

Yep, in the early 90's or even very late 80's NHK were doing 480p TV via their sat' stations BS1 and BS2 or as I call them Bull Shit 1 and 2 since that's all they ever broadcast, shit :lol: They now call it BS Hi-Vision since they now do "real" HD TV

Yakumo

[ASSEMbler]

plasma, last time I checked they didn't exist back then

100% wrong, they had plasma TV's in 1993.

You're not going to get the degree of viewing and brightness as seen in the video on a TV like
a projection television.

So if it not a plasma, it has to be CRT. However, and I am not aware of anyone that has made 16:9 tubes
bigger than 35 inches.

From what I read, it's a prototype plasma screen. (1035i)

Annual Report 1996

<hr width="80%"> <table border="3"> <tbody><tr><td>http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/results/annual96/images/fig1.jpg </td></tr> </tbody></table>
Fig1 Hi-Vision 42-inch plasma display panel



<hr> Copyright 1996 NHK(Japan Broadcasting Corporation) All rights reserved.Unauthorized copy of the pages is prohibited.(doh)

[Barc0de]

Wow, nice! Thanks for the picture Kevin:D

what was the connection type to the HD set? Component? D-terminal or some obscure non-standard digital cable?

also, how was the console able to push a resolution such as 1035i? Did it render at 517 whole frames per second and the TV padded it to 1035i? (what's the console's maximum resolution as in the specs?)

[ASSEMbler]

They had the 40 inch plasma hi-vision in 1993, and the proto of the higher resolution, they actually had HD Laserdisc in Japan..

They had weird resolutions due to the iterlacing.

You needed some incredibly expensive tuner box to use the machine.

Just search for Hi-Vision.

Currently they are working on *get this*

7000P , it's some 7000x4000 image...

Those crazy Japanese!

[Barc0de]

That's a total waste of resolution for home screens. Researches show that anything above 2000x2000 resolutions aren't noticable by the human eye O_o. (meaning that today's 1920x1080 is more than enough - from personal experience i cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p from 2 meters viewing distance at 90 degrees)

7.000p would only be useful in a Cinema, but why go through all that trouble when you ve got the perfectly good analog-reel, that saves space, costs less money and can be magnified infinetely?!

[babu]

That's a total waste of resolution for home screens. Researches show that anything above 2000x2000 resolutions aren't noticable by the human eye O_o.

doesn't that depend on the size of the screen? the question is thought if you need a screen that big that you need a resolution larger than 2000 :)

[Barc0de]

that's why I said for home screens :) rarely has anyone got anything above 50inches in their house ;)

[ASSEMbler]

I'm guessing they are aiming for the whole wall TV.

Sort of what bill gates already has in his home...

[Alchy]

I remember being corrected by Assem on this before ;)

Yeah, Japan had some really crazy HD laserdisc stuff. All very obscure and unusual standards, naturally enough, given the lack of mass-market economics. A suitable TV itself cost in the region of ten grand if I recall right, and all the peripheral stuff wouldn't be cheap either. Wonder if anyone still has them around. If they were early plasma then they'd probably require frequent (very expensive) servicing to keep them operational and looking good, so probably not; anyone with enough money to buy them in the first place would've moved on anyway, I guess.

It'd be really interesting to hear from someone who experienced them first hand back in the day, post up if so.

[ASSEMbler]

I'm not an expert on it, do some research. That's the best I learned a few years ago with a few hours of google an ieee articles.

[Baseley09]

Hi-Vision / Muse Laserdisc was a thoeretical 1125i resolution, tho you dont see that many lines and its in 5:3. I presume the broadcast hidef of the time to use on these screens matched this.

The MUSE terminal input is not available anymore and need to be transcoded to component video for modern use with such a device...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-MSC-4000-Hi-vision-Decoder-Muse-Laserdisc-HDTV_W0QQitemZ190098932851QQcategoryZ381QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Heres some Hivis gumph http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/muse_high_def_ld/Muse_high_def_ld.htm

[madhatter256]

100% wrong, they had plasma TV's in 1993.

You're not going to get the degree of viewing and brightness as seen in the video on a TV like
a projection television.

So if it not a plasma, it has to be CRT. However, and I am not aware of anyone that has made 16:9 tubes
bigger than 35 inches.

From what I read, it's a prototype plasma screen. (1035i)

Annual Report 1996

<hr width="80%"> <table border="3"> <tbody><tr><td>http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/results/annual96/images/fig1.jpg </td></tr> </tbody></table>
Fig1 Hi-Vision 42-inch plasma display panel



<hr> Copyright 1996 NHK(Japan Broadcasting Corporation) All rights reserved.Unauthorized copy of the pages is prohibited.(doh)


Yep. Plasma TV technology has been in the works since the mid 1980s. I believe that the TV from Total Recall movie was either a mockup plasma TV or the real thing (possibly a prototype they paid out the ass to rent just for that scene).

It wasn't until 1997 when they became publicly available but they were very expensive up until now.

[Alchy]

Actually, plasma displays were invented in the 60s, for PLATO, according to Wikipedia. Which means that some of the earliest gaming could've been on plasma screens, I guess.

[ASSEMbler]

well it was one color plasma.. wouldn' be very good except for pong..

[XxHennersXx]

well it was one color plasma.. wouldn' be very good except for pong..

wouldn't most of gaming in the 60's have been pong anyway?

[Alchy]

There was Space War and bunch of text adventures, in educational insitutes around that time. On mainframes and the like.

[GigaDrive]

thanks for the footage man, Ive always wanted to see this.

its amazing to me that the Japanese had HDTV in the early 1990s.

research on HDTV began in the 1960s, continued into the 1970s, and was demonstated in the early 1980 (possibly the late 1970s).


the next step is UHDV (Ultra High Definition Video) or Super Hi-Vision, which in its current experimental form, provides a resolution of 4320p (7680 × 4320) which is 16 times the resolution of 1080p!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHDV

Since HDTV took SO long to reach consumers, I don't expect Super Hi-Vision / UHDV / UDTV / etc to reach us for a few decades.

http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2007/04/beyond_hdtv_way.html


April 12, 2007
Beyond HDTV - Way Beyond


We’ve discussed resolutions above and beyond 1920x1080 here before (several times actually) but this recent article new window from A/V Watch; referenced an older piece new window that provides additional details about Japan’s “Super Hi-Vision” HD system. For example late last year NHK broadcasting spiced up their 7680×4320 (yes that’s four times the current vertical HDTV resolution) Super-HD experiments, by incorporating 22.2 channels of audio and a proof-of-concept transmission method that used fiber optics to transmit the compressed 7680×4320 images onto 37.5’ screens.

100 lucky attendees took part in the demonstration and I do mean lucky, I’d give, well I’m not sure what I’d give but I would have loved to have seen this with my own eyes. Just incase your starting to feel a little buyers remorse over that lowly 1080p display device you just purchased; fear not, this system isn’t expected to even approach commercial viability before 2025 when 21GHz satellite transmissions become more feasible.

It was interesting to note that after one particular demonstration of the thirty-two million (not a typo) pixel display system concluded, applause could be heard next-door even through the presumably sound-proofed walls of the studio, quite a reaction. The head of NHK’s broadcasting technology laboratory went on to describe the reaction from those in attendance, the audience members described what they had witnessed new window as beyond television, likening it more to watching live performers on a stage. Yeah, I’d like to see that.

I'd don't expect to be gaming at 7680×4320 until Xbox5 and PS6 >_<

[smf]

7.000p would only be useful in a Cinema, but why go through all that trouble when you ve got the perfectly good analog-reel, that saves space, costs less money and can be magnified infinetely?!

Analogue projection is as bad as VHS. Film cannot be magnified infinitely, you start to see the grains. Which is why different types of still camera film can only be enlarged to certain sizes without a percieved loss of quality. Plus film gets scratched during use, so only the first showing is ever any good.

I saw Cars on a cinema with digital projection & it was quite amazing ( I think they rented the projector specially ).

Besides, it's much (much) cheaper to produce dvd's or stream content direct to the projector than to produce reels of film.

smf

[GigaDrive]

back on-topic, any idea what resolution Hi-Ten Bomberman (1993)
and Hi-Ten KaraBom (1994) used? was it truly HD resolution ?

[ASSEMbler]

Anything over standard resolution would be considered high definition.
We're just spoiled these days with things like 1080p.

Regulat tv is approximately 480i, and hi-ten would be 1035i.

[GigaDrive]

Anything over standard resolution would be considered high definition.
We're just spoiled these days with things like 1080p.

Regulat tv is approximately 480i, and hi-ten would be 1035i.

I know Japanese HDTVs were 1125i, and 1035i of that was visible. does that automatically mean though that Hi-Ten was 1035i?

regardless, Hi-TEN makes the newly revealed Bomberman Live for XBLA look totally pathetic.

Hi-TEN is one of those games you want so badly but you know it'll never be released.

[ASSEMbler]

Hi-ten was to commissioned to showcase the hi-def. They didn't do it without reason..

[GigaDrive]

Hi-ten was to commissioned to showcase the hi-def. They didn't do it without reason..


and yet, we can't play it. *sobs*