Nova teacher murdered

[GaijinPunch]

Young westerners dying in Japan is rare. I recall the Lucie Blackman case mentioned at the bottom of this one. The only thing more out of the ordinary than these two cases involving foreigners dying is when two western men killed themselves in a double suicide by jumping from a high floor of the Keio Hotel in Shinjuku.

Source (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/japan.murder.reut/index.html)

[Phinn]

This is all over the BBC and on a couple of national front pages tomorrow according to Newsnight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6498019.stm

Only 22 years old, a year younger than me, same age as my gf. She graduated from Leeds last year, I'm graduating from Sheffield this year and I'm also planning to teach in Japan. She's even on Facebook. A little too close to home. Unsettling.

[Yakumo]

Bloody hell, now this is something out of the ordinary ! Sounds like another F*cked in the head case of a Japanese. There are very really any murders in Japan but when they do occur they are always due to the killer being a nut. The last one (Also in Tokyo) was a woman who killed her husband because she couldn't put up with him. !! GET A DIVORCE !! She killed him in his sleep then cut up the body and placed the pieces around various points in Tokyo. They she completely redecorated the apartment to hide any traces of blood. Next called the police to tell them that her husband was missing. MAD ! This was a few months ago.

Yakumo

[GaijinPunch]

The gal's father & boyfriend arrived in Japan and made an announcement on the news. Very sad. I can't imagine how shitty that flight was over here. 10 hours to think about it.

Like Yakumo said, the amount of murders per capita in Japan is low, but the shock factor is amongst the highest. I assume due to lack of guns they have to get creative. Just my take on it. I recall a middle school student beheading a primary school student on a visit here in 1998 I believe it was.


The last one (Also in Tokyo) was a woman who killed her husband because she couldn't put up with him.

I live a stone's throwing distance from their mansion, FYI. Literally, about 200 meters. She dumped part of the body down the street. There were cops everywhere that day.

[ccovell]

I'm sure the overwhelming social pressure in some areas drives people to extremes. Getting a divorce (although on the rise) would lower one's social standing, but a husband "disappearing" would not reflect as badly on you.

[Barc0de]

there use to be a time when killing people was as easy and care-free as settling a dispute. Humans can't be civilized it seems, our primal instincts interefere sometimes, despite the law ;)

[Parris]

I live in a city renowned for its violence. You cannot mention "Glasgow" without people immediately sucking in their breath and looking at you funnily. Usually you get the drinking, smoking, bad health, poor living and violent culture jokes before anyone realises what a cosmopolitan city it really is. It is a surprise to me that Japan has such a low murder rate, especially the large cities (far bigger than Glasgow). It does go some way to prove that Britain (and other western countries) have deeply routed social issues that other cultures seem capable of dealing with.

The vast majority of murders that seem to occur are either related to drink, drugs or sexual issues (prostitution being an issue). I genuinely wished I lived in a society that was still as socked as to mention the death of anyone, but it only really happens when the victim or the murderer is either very young or the murder was particularly bloody!

Last year a young Polish girl was murdered in Glasgow and that really shocked the city a great deal. Prior to that a 15 year old white youth was picked up at random by a group of asians. That was horrific. Stabbed and then set alight and left to die on the banks of the river.

In all honesty, I don't think Glasgow deserves the reputation it has. Once upon a time it was a very different, dark and at times lawless city (the only mainland UK city to have ever had the army called in tanks to curb protestors (Red Clydeside)) but now it is like any other city in the UK. Just the reputation remains. Britain seems a volatile & violent place all over. Just look at the spate of stabbings that have been committed by school kids against their peers!

The BBC are all over this story, primarily because it sees to have been such an horrific death and bizarre concealment (a bath filled with sand, exposed to the elements on a balcony!)

I feel very sorry for the family, she had her whole life ahead of her.

[Japan-Games.com]

Yeah, when a Japanese person snaps, they really lose it. Much, much lower crime but some of the absolutely horrific nature of the crimes is uncomfortable to think about. I arrived in Japan in 2000 when the Blackman story was in full swing. Some others:

** In Fukuoka an elderly man threw gas on a young boy and lit him on fire as he was walking downt he street.

** Recently a lady was fined for stealing a dog, then throwing it off of her balcony to it's death when the owner arrived suspecting she had it.

** Lucy Blackman....head found encased in concrete.

** A couple of months ago two separate men were arrested for driving their cars into groups of school children walking down the street.

And I swear...I've heard at least a half dozen stories about people being kidnapped and kept in a closet or room for years. One guy kept a girl in a closet for 9 friggen years. He lived with his grandmother and she said she knew nothing about it. Utterly insane.

Another growing trend is starving or beating to death babies. One lady was just sentenced to 14 years in prison for starving her son to death.

Japan is nice and safe....but when someone snaps, they really, really snap.

[ASSEMbler]

I live in a city renowned for its violence. .

Don't come where I live then, we had 22 murders so far just this year.

[mooseblaster]

It still makes me a little worried about whether I really want to come visit. It is only a small country....

Dear god, man. You could be standing 10... no, 5 feet away from one of those ungodly terrorists you see on the televisual!

*puffs pipe.... wiggles one eyebrow... puts tartan slippers on and calls his girlfriend Marjorie*

[GaijinPunch]

I arrived in Japan in 2000 when the Blackman story was in full swing.

I had been here for about two years by then. It was pretty big news, but she was a hostess, so was at least understandable -- some sick guy picked her up, and the rest is history.

Some others I can recall:
-A famous "bara bara" (dismemberment) case where body parts were found in Inokoashira Koen. Suspect never found. This actually happened years ago I believe. It's a somewhat famouse case.

-The decapitation mentioned above, where the junior high kid cut off the head of an elementary student w/ a cable.

-More than a few cases of some nut losing it in a crowd and stabbing people

-The guy jumping off a mere 6 or 7 story building (Keio Mall in Shijuku) to commit suicide, landing on someone in the process and not dying. I think the person he fell on died though.

-The nutbag the bum-rushed the cockpit, stabbed the pilot and took control of a commercial airplane. Of course, it was blamed on his addiction to video games. I think it took him 10 seconds to realize he couldn't do it and the co-pilot took over.

[Bert Hardy]

>>Don't come where I live then, we had 22 murders so far just this year.
I've lived in Glasgow most my life and now live in the same state as Assembler. No doubt in my mind that NJ is worse! Newark is scary. The local free paper has countless number of murders and violent attacks.

I've only been 'jumped' once in Glasgow and put int hospital for 1 week and amongst my friends that's unusual....most of my friend haven't had any personal hassles......Glasgow is a pretty safe place.

I recently asked three friends from NY/NJ and only one had ever even seen a gun in their life......

I think sometimes things get blown out of context. I think population numbers vs attacks is a better guage/metric....

Looks like Philidelphia is near US worse state...
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/02/20/murder-capital/

[Barc0de]

Well, here in Liverpool violence is traditional , I m sure you ve all heard stories.

Alcohol is the usual suspect as in most cases, followed by other drugs - you never hear a stoner killing someone though!

Sexual frustration is another leading cause, especially amongst strictly religious individuals in general, not just Liverpool(Catholics?:p)

I guess I m more against alcohol than any drug, because of its potential for abuse by people and its easy availability. On that note however, I confess that UK drinkers have an issue with drinking. In greece people know when to stop usually, whereas here it's seen as a national sport of sorts getting hammerred etc. Moderation should be introduced to the otherwised civilized world of UK when it comes to alcohol, weed and other drugs ;)

Drugs aside though, there's always psychos to rely on for those juicy stats!

[GaijinPunch]

The UK would be a much safer place if there was a ban on football.

[Phinn]

The UK would be a much safer place if there was a ban on football.

The hooliganism thing is pretty dead these days. Too much money involved. Rival firms still fight, but it's all pre-organised and usually done away from the ground with no-one wearing colours. Sorta like Fight Club in a way.

[Yakumo]

The UK would be a much safer place if there was a ban on football.:lol: as much as I love that statement you'll probably find the thugs (yeah practically all of them are footie fans) will become more bothersome due to having even less in their pitiful lives.

By the way GaijinPunch, you missed out a case this year where a nutcase junior high boy stabbed the shit out of a female class mate then because she wouldn't date him. Also I remember one from a year or so back when a 16 year old boy bashed his mother's head in with a baseball bad then hung himself. Yep, Japan is very safe but the Japanese people just can't handle pressure without snapping like a psycho. My own wife snapped once and stabbed me in the head with the bloody car keys !! Fucking nuts :oh: ! Thank God I'm a lot taller and stronger than her.

Yakumo

[dj898]

"...My own wife snapped once and stabbed me in the head with the bloody car keys !! Fucking nuts ! Thank God I'm a lot taller and stronger than her...."

Christ! Where did you ended up get stabbed since you are taller than her?

[hl718]

"...My own wife snapped once and stabbed me in the head with the bloody car keys !! Fucking nuts ! Thank God I'm a lot taller and stronger than her...."

Christ! Where did you ended up get stabbed since you are taller than her?
He didn't say *which* head got stabbed! ;)

-hl718

[Parris]

Assembler - 22 Murders? Holy crap!

Yakumo - I guess car keys (being fairly blunt) must have really hurt! :banghead: Should we ask what the arguement was about, just so we know not to make the same mistake?

Barc0de - Alcohol isn't the problem per se, it's a growing trend in binge drinking partially caused by the easy of access to alcohol (every supermarket, corner shop & thousands of pubs per city), plummeting prices & the prevailing attitude that alcohol is not such a bad drug. I disagree. It's the lax attitude to alcohol and its effects. It is actually a very dangerous drug, it just takes time to kill you.

Walking through the city centre on Friday or Saturday night sober is a weird alien situation. You see a very different culture stumbling, staggering and vomiting its way from bar to bar. Its definately increasing as older groups tend to show the same behaviour. It is definately the #1 strain on the NHS plus I suspect a massive future issue for the health of the nation.

It used to just be students drunk on cheap beer from the Union bars. Now all the banks have turned into trendy theme bars and Glasgow in particular has become a stag / hen night destination.

BTW you said "you've never heard of a stoner murdering someone". Well, just to prove you wrong a young man was charged with murdering his two teenage friends because they were jibing him about his broken home life (a particularly nasty thing to do) and he lost the plot stabbing both of them multiple times. One of the victims was so badly attacked that his head was almost completely removed! (That was on the news last week)

Bert Hardy - Hail fellow well met ;-) What dragged you to US? I once had someone attempt to attack me on Sauchiehall Street, but his punch was pathetic and I ducked left like a pro. That startled him so much that he ran off! <They don't make Glasgow muggers like they used too>

I've had 2 guns pulled on me in my life. Once in rural France (who gets a gun pulled on them in the Alps ffs!?) and the other in the suburbs of Glasgow when a guy tried to hold up a local store.

[ASSEMbler]

In my area it's mostly black on black crime. In america african american's represent a small portion of the populace, yet they are 50% of all murders every year, and it's 98% black on black violence in that percent.

The other part is about 45% white and it's usually domestic or drug related.

[GaijinPunch]

@Yakumo:

Yikes! Well, at least w/ the kid she'll be too busy to bust your balls.

@Parris:

While I agree w/ you that alcohol is a very overlooked drug, the flip side of it is the Japanese take on it. It's very easy to get in Japan (they don't card anyone... I get carded at 32 in the states for fuck's sake and I haven't looked 21 since I was 17). Japanese drink their asses off, pass out in the street, sleep in their own vomit, etc. etc., but it's socially acceptable. There's not a whole lot of wife beating going on, and almost zero bar-room brawls going on b/c of it. Drinking and driving is obviously a problem, but that isn't so attitude-driven. I say alcohol, just like every other drug, isn't necessarily bad. It just pushes what's already started.

[Yakumo]

When the missus stabbed me in the head with the car keys it was during our really bad period. I remember that day well. I'D punched a hole though the wall in anger (Cheap arse walls !!) then before I knew it she was bashing me on the head with the car key. It really did hurt but it wasn't until a minute later did I notice a wetness on my face. The shock when I saw it was blood coming from my head ! Anyway, that was a massive fight which resulted in me kicking her out for 4 months. If I'd never broken my wrist that time who knows if we ever would have gotten back together? Oh, and do you know what the fight was over? No? Neither do I ! I don't know if it's just women in general or Japanese ones pacifically, but they can cause an augment out of thin air ! F*ing amazing. Oh, and they have no idea how to shut up.

Yakumo

[Barc0de]

I think different nations have different attitudes towards drunkenness.

I ve seen girls here (not just British birds btw) go over-board being just tipsy. The 'going-wild' culture subsequent to drinking is quite fasionable these days here, amonst all age groups.

In contrast, in my country, GReece, they do drink, quite alot too sometimes, but rarely is their whole night's out purpose to get smashed - and even if they are, they start sobbing, dancing etc, u rarely get a crime (Although drunk accidents are always a major cause of road traffic accidents).

I believe that more education is needed on the topic of Alcohol, just like Tobacco. If they can limit smokers, they should also limit drinkers. Me and my family would be in far more danger on a Friday night out in Liverpool than in a restaurant, passively smoking.

[Tatsujin]

I don't know if it's just women in general or Japanese ones pacifically, but they can cause an augment out of thin air ! F*ing amazing. Oh, and they have no idea how to shut up.
how true is that! it's the main reason why i rarely argue with my wife, when it comes to any kind of disagreements. well sadly.

[GaijinPunch]

I don't know if it's just women in general or Japanese ones pacifically,

All birds are psychos. Japanese ones are just more stubborn on average. It's that whole "master of the house" mentality... they can't admit they're wrong.

[subbie]

I don't know if it's just women in general or Japanese ones pacifically, but they can cause an augment out of thin air ! F*ing amazing. Oh, and they have no idea how to shut up.


I just want to add that I use to have this same issue with my chinese girlfriend. Durring our first two years there many times where she all of a sudden just gets pissy and then gets into a fight over me being unhappy because she got bitchy for no reason.

I wonder if it's a phase or something. Over the past year it's pretty much stoped and she has gotten alot better about it. If she starts to get pissy and noice I'm unhappy she stops and gives up.

Luckly for me the worse thats happen is a broken clock and a few cups (thrown at the tile floor twards me but not entirely at me).

[Yakumo]

I had my TV remote thrown at me ! Luckily she's a shit aim :lol: The last 9 months or so things have been good so let's hope they stay that way. Mind you, she still comes out with crap just to start an argument. I just walk out now if that happens because I know I'll lose it.

Yakumo

[Barc0de]

you sirs should show them who's boss I say, in a respectful manner. Are we men or mice?:P

[Parris]

you sirs should show them who's boss I say, in a respectful manner. Are we men or mice?:P

There (with all due respect mate) speaks a man who has never been married. To whit I reply, good sodding luck when you are! We shall all be waiting & watching (first aid kit at the ready) for the moment the realisation that man is NO match for woman scorned or woman mid PMT kicks in! :rolleyes:

[Mark30001]

There (with all due respect mate) speaks a man who has never been married. To whit I reply, good sodding luck when you are! We shall all be waiting & watching (first aid kit at the ready) for the moment the realisation that man is NO match for woman scorned or woman mid PMT kicks in! :rolleyes:

:clap:

[Barc0de]

my god.. save me! O_O Sounds horrifying being married. I think I ll co-habit instead.. marriage is a legal contract i d like to avoid at all costs!

[Taucias]

Marriage is great as long as you respect your wife and don't act like an arsehole. Of course, if you marry someone you should be sure they are the kind of person you can live with long term (and aren't the type to going into mental rages for nothing).

Avoid bunny boilers and gold diggers!

[Parris]

Marriage is great as long as you respect your wife and don't act like an arsehole...Avoid bunny boilers and gold diggers!

Oh, don't get me wrong! Most of the time my wife and I are blissfully happy. I would say the same goes for Yakumo (still digging bits of key out of his scalp) and anyone else. However, there are times when girlfriends, fiancees or wives can go a bit bonkers over the smallest thing.

You don't have to marry a bunny boiler to find that there is a point of no return in certain arguments. These arguements tend to occur when we males are least expecting them - they come out of the blue - :oh:

Having been married twice, I've got a bit of experience in this lol :thumbsup:

A minor bit of advice, but if your gf, f, or w is about to "Go Nuclear" do NOT under any circumstances pick up a console controller! That is a red rag to a bull. ;-)

[TheDeathcoaster]

I may not have gotten married yet...but I was smacked in the back of the head with my Dreamcast once by a (now ex) girlfriend. Good times >_<

[A. Snow]

I'm not married (doubt I will) but stories like these only confirm even more something I've always thought. There definitely needs to be some sort of international holiday in honor of whoever invented the prenuptial agreement.

[Parris]

I may not have gotten married yet...but I was smacked in the back of the head with my Dreamcast once by a (now ex) girlfriend. Good times >_<

Ouch! May we enquire why, or is that too painful a topic? Also, did the DC survive? They are pretty sturdy so I suspect yes.

[TheDeathcoaster]

The DC survived....was later thrown down the stairs by the same girl on the same day...and survived also.

Apparently, it was because I play videogames too much. In reality, it was because she stopped by my house rather drunk one evening and was looking to start a fight with me, it seems.

I still have the lump on my head too >_<

==Edit==

Apologies for the OT-ness. It is a very sad matter about the murder and I didn't mean to take away from that.

[Alchy]

The hooliganism thing is pretty dead these days. Too much money involved. Rival firms still fight, but it's all pre-organised and usually done away from the ground with no-one wearing colours. Sorta like Fight Club in a way.I've got a friend who's a Milwall supporter, and apparently they were one of the clubs who were well known for having violent fans back in the day. He's a pacifist anyway, so not involved, but the above is exactly what he says happens these days. They just got organised to beat the shit out of each other elsewhere. Absolutely fine by me, so long as no innocent bystanders get hurt those guys can beat each other to death as far as I'm concerned.

[GaijinPunch]

I may not have gotten married yet...but I was smacked in the back of the head with my Dreamcast once by a (now ex) girlfriend. Good times >_<

Is it the Scots, or the Paddies that hit back?

[dj898]

...Mind you, she still comes out with crap just to start an argument. I just walk out now if that happens because I know I'll lose it.

Yakumo


Amen to that.

Rule No. 0 - Never argue with women coz you WILL lose 150% of time...

[Barc0de]

women have an unwritten rule that says "must argue with man even if I m proven wrong"

[Parris]

women have an unwritten rule that says "must argue with man even if I m proven wrong"

Not quite... it should read "even WHEN proven wrong"

[Parris]

Is it the Scots, or the Paddies that hit back?

Well I am Scots and I have only once hit back (not hard) and regretted it for the rest of my days. As far as I am concerned (and this is very OT) physical violence in a relationship is a complete no-no! Women use violence as an expression of exasperation, whilst men use it as a means of dominance in the vast majority of instances.

The one time I slapped my wife was when I had stood back and taken the verbal and physical abuse and she was hysterical. It stopped her in her tracks as it was a shock to have been slapped. Not a good moment and I don't advocate it to anyone. A lot of hugging later we made up, but it still upsets me to think I have ever laid hand on her.

My ex-wife had a violent streak and I let her hit me a few times. The net result however is she is now my ex-wife as for several reasons I finally had had enough. Some people need therapy and don't know it!

I will say one thing. In a more egalitarian society where women wish to be equal in every respect, perhaps they should think again about using physical violence against their partners as they may find that legal action ensues. Most reasonable people can deal with arguements and issues without raising their fists or resporting to physical violence.

Considering this thread however, it should be remembered that the vast majority of violence is committed by men against women. The arguement should not detract from the fact that in general women are victimised by intolerant males and used & abused.

Getting the thread back on topic, I was pleased to see that the Japanese police have a great deal of evidence and have already identified the main suspect and released video footage.

[GaijinPunch]

I get paid to take verbal abuse at work... really, it's a huge part of my job. When I get it at home for no pay... or rather I pay to get yelled at if you want to get technical) I tend to go off the deep end, fast. That's probably why most of our arguments go to shit so quickly. No physical violence, but I've punched my fair share of walls. My wife, on the otherhand, who condems my wall punching has broken several small, mechanical items (remotes, etc.).

My stress levels have traditionally been pretty high...especially when I was in Hawaii b/c I was just not happy in the location. If I didn't have my iPod back then w/ my stellar collection of tunes that everyone here would probably hate, there was a good chance some country in Africa would've had one more volunteer, my company one less rather mouthy but nonetheless funny, entertaining, and valuable engineer, and my wife one less husband. I had issues there for a few months. :) Much more chilled now that I'm working out of my crib though.

[Yakumo]

I've punched my fair share of walls..You and me both mate. In my home we have two holes in the wall from me (one by my fist and the other by my foot) The walls are just so flimsy ! Oh and the shower door glass got put through once as well in an explosive moment. I always think that a woman purposely pushes and pushes until you loose it. The thing is I won't hit her so the nearest thing gets a whack, normally the wall. I a way I'm glad the walls are so flimsy other wise I'd probably have smashed my fist by now :lol:

Yakumo

[SovietStriker]

No doubt in my mind that NJ is worse! Newark is scary. The local free paper has countless number of murders and violent attacks.


LOL I live like 10 miles from newark. But NJ has one of the safest cities (Brick Township #1 in america ), and some of the worst (Camden #4 in america ). According to CNN
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/real_estate/best_worst/2.html . But living here yeah definatly it depends on where you go.

[SilverBolt]

Reading all these stories about being married to a woman makes me glad i'm gay and married to a man. We understand eachother much better / are on the same wavelength which avoids any arguments. I think in the 7.5 years we've been together we've only had serious arguments a handfull of times, never any violence or such.

[Azraelscross]

Reading all these stories about being married to a woman makes me glad i'm gay and married to a man. We understand eachother much better / are on the same wavelength which avoids any arguments. I think in the 7.5 years we've been together we've only had serious arguments a handfull of times, never any violence or such.
wow. thats one of the longer relationships i've seen. congrats. My longest with a guy was a month. i just think i have bad luck.haha

[Yakumo]

Reading all these stories about being married to a woman makes me glad i'm gay and married to a man. We understand eachother much better / are on the same wavelength which avoids any arguments. I think in the 7.5 years we've been together we've only had serious arguments a handfull of times, never any violence or such.
I can actually see gay couples getting along better since you are both the same sex therefore understand each other a lot better. I bet arguments are a lot easier as well as we all know guys just want to get it over and down with while women drag it on forever !

Yakumo

[GaijinPunch]

We understand eachother much better / are on the same wavelength which avoids any arguments.

Well, I've witnessed the ugly side to homosexual relationships (break-ups, infidelity, etc. etc.) and I can say from what I've seen, they can be just as bad or worse than a straight relationship. Just b/c someone has a dick doesn't mean they can't be a bitch.

[SilverBolt]

Well, I've witnessed the ugly side to homosexual relationships (break-ups, infidelity, etc. etc.) and I can say from what I've seen, they can be just as bad or worse than a straight relationship. Just b/c someone has a dick doesn't mean they can't be a bitch.


Oh, i know what you mean, i see it happening around me all the time, it's mostly downto infidelity and people who think they are strong ennough to manage an "open" relationship but can't. Also it helps if your partner isn't a girly whining fag :lol:

[madhatter256]

Doesn't matter what your sexual preference is. Relationships always need work and there is bound to be conflict. It is all about if you're willing to stick with them thru the good, bad, and ugly times.

Anyway, back on topic. Looks like theres another story related to the murder. It's about another woman who was stalked in Japan by another nutjob.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=447621&in_page_id=1879

There are guys here who are obsessed with asian women, too. Insanity knows no cultural bounds.

[GaijinPunch]

There are guys here who are obsessed with asian women, too. Insanity knows no cultural bounds.

I have single handedly found the cause for Japanese men becoming stalkers. The Japanese High School Female Uniform.

[ASSEMbler]

There's a phrase we use in my home.

"Do you want to be happy or right?"

[WolverineDK]

Hmmmm one of my mates, whos name is Samuel Xavier he runs every now and then with leaflets for a crisis center that concentrates about male people. Since also men can be victims of domestic violence.

[Taucias]

I will say one thing. In a more egalitarian society where women wish to be equal in every respect, perhaps they should think again about using physical violence against their partners as they may find that legal action ensues. Most reasonable people can deal with arguements and issues without raising their fists or resporting to physical violence.

We all know (as men) that this idea of equality is a myth. I have never met a woman who will pay for the meal on a date, help carry back breaking heavy things, dig the garden over or the many other things that are expected of a male partner.

In my experience women only turn on the equality thing when it suits them - usually when it's a male perk that they are likely to be missing out on. :lol:



Just b/c someone has a dick doesn't mean they can't be a bitch.


Perfect signature quote material there!

[Azraelscross]

Just b/c someone has a dick doesn't mean they can't be a bitch.
that made it into my sig on AE.haha

[GaijinPunch]

that made it into my sig on AE.haha

I've often been accused of being a poet.

[Taucias]

But yet you didn't know it? :lol:

[Barc0de]

Taucias, I ve met plenty of women who bought me drinks and dinner , and let's not forget, video games!:lol:

It's time we give them a taste of their own medicine i say:clap::dance:

[Tatsujin]

You and me both mate.
may I join your sameness as well? at least, we're not alone:lol:

[Yakumo]

may I join your sameness as well? at least, we're not alone:lol:Yes you may :nod:

Yakumo

[arnoldlayne]

Assembler - 22 Murders? Holy crap!

BTW you said "you've never heard of a stoner murdering someone". Well, just to prove you wrong a young man was charged with murdering his two teenage friends because they were jibing him about his broken home life (a particularly nasty thing to do) and he lost the plot stabbing both of them multiple times. One of the victims was so badly attacked that his head was almost completely removed! (That was on the news last week)



Is this the one in the UK recently? "skunk killer'...etc? It is worth pointing out that the kid was schizophrenic and had been hallucinating for some time. Of course weed wasn't a good idea - but who is to say alcohol or any other stimulant wouldn't also have triggered this violent episode?.

It irked me that the story was presented as "kid smokes weed and butchers his buddies." the truth is that he was already very, very unstable. Media scapegoating as usual...

btw/ weed is a stimulant and of course it can make people do strange things (like eat....and eat..) but i think the actual phrase is more along the lines of "no-one has died from smoking it..."

[Alchy]

More accurately, "it is nigh on impossible to overdose on THC". That doesn't make it safe to ingest large amounts of it, obviously.

At the risk of devolving into yet another delightful shitstorm re: drugs are great/drugs are evil, I think we can all agree that anyone crazy enough to murder their friends was fucked up in many ways regardless of weed intake. If someone gets tanked up on booze and kills their mates then society agrees that this was a bad person, and anyone trying to convince me the same isn't true of cannabis is fighting a particularly losing battle.

They'd also be free to explain to me why they (presumably) think the opposite is true for violent games, ie that games don't cause murders.

Answers here if there are any, let's keep to the rules. (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10049&page=4)

[GaijinPunch]

BTW you said "you've never heard of a stoner murdering someone". Well, just to prove you wrong a young man was charged with murdering his two teenage friends because they were jibing him about his broken home life (a particularly nasty thing to do) and he lost the plot stabbing both of them multiple times. One of the victims was so badly attacked that his head was almost completely removed! (That was on the news last week)

There you go... wasn't weed. They were already tormenting him. I never said it would STOP someone from murdering someone.


I think we can all agree that anyone crazy enough to murder their friends was fucked up in many ways regardless of weed intake.

Indeed, sir. Indeed.

[Segafreak_NL]

Hmm the mayor of Nagasaki was shot?

[cez]

Yes. I saw the breaking news on TV last night when he was brought to the hospital and just read now that he died from the shots. Apparently it was a member of the Yakuza who shot him.

[Article on Japantimes.com (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070418a1.html)]

Pretty shocking since I work for the Hiroshima Peace Culture Foundation and though I did not meet him in person, I had read about him as he was pretty active in the area of nuclear disarmament and often appeared together with the mayor of Hiroshima. It is always different if you have some kind of personal connection...


A lot of bad things happen these days.

[Parris]

There you go... wasn't weed. They were already tormenting him. I never said it would STOP someone from murdering someone.



Indeed, sir. Indeed.

Ooops! I should have mentioned I was only joking as the comment was being sort of directed at Barc0de as we had discussed this topic at length off the threads. We couldn't think of a single incident that could be absolutely, unquestionably linked to the use of weed, but then the sensationalist (and that I do agree with) press statements were released regarding these UK murders and I thought I would treat Barc0deio to the news - so, that was the thread equivalent of thinking out loud lol

As a rule of thumb, I tend to post and forget I have so sorry for having taken SO long to get back to that, inadvertantly throwing the thread immediately OT and back about a week! For everyone else, just leap frog over this shit and get going again lol ;-)

[GaijinPunch]

Ooops! I should have mentioned I was only joking as the comment was being sort of directed at Barc0de

Gotcha

[Alien Workshop]

btw/ weed is a stimulant and of course it can make people do strange things (like eat....and eat..) but i think the actual phrase is more along the lines of "no-one has died from smoking it..."

Well, actually you're wrong. Marijuana (as well as Alcohol) is a depressant.

[ASSEMbler]

People die from weed all the time, it's called working your way to hard drugs.

Weed=> E => coke => Meth => Heroin => life ruined.

Weed these days is so engineered and potent, it's nothing like it was even five years ago.

[A. Snow]

Crack is also an acceptable substitute for Meth in that line.

[GaijinPunch]

People die from weed all the time, it's called working your way to hard drugs.

If that's the logic behind it, alcohol would be the first stepping stone then, no?



Weed=> E => coke => Meth => Heroin => life ruined.

But, we all know this is simply not the norm. Plenty of people try weed and decide it's not for them. More are likely to try hallucinogens (E, acid, shrooms) and stop there. Some will try coke. Almost none will go to Heroin.


Weed these days is so engineered and potent, it's nothing like it was even five years ago.

Hybridization has made marijuana more potent recently (90's and up) compared to the 70's. Last 5 years? No big jumps... not enough to make it "dangerous" anyway. Any way you slice it, it is still THC though...you just have to smoke less. If you want to really screw up weed, lace it with PCP or some other bullshit. For some reason, some people do.


Well, actually you're wrong. Marijuana (as well as Alcohol) is a depressant.

I would like to know why alcohol makes people billigerant (I know, I suck at spelling) and agressive while weed makes you passive, as you are right: they are both depressants.


Crack = Meth

Both shitty, but can't be categorized the same. They fuck you up in completely different ways.

[WolverineDK]

GP the word you are trying to spell is perhaps Belligerent, but I don´t know anyway.

[Alchy]

Weed=> E => coke => Meth => Heroin => life ruined.You've said before that someone close to you has followed a similar path, so I choose my words with care here, but the above just doesn't follow in the vast majority of cases. Millions of people in the UK smoke weed every week and don't bother with anything harder. Millions pop Es or have a few lines of coke on the weekend but would never touch meth or heroin. There is a difference, and while I'm sorry that in your experience x followed y followed z, that chain of reaction is rare. If it was a given in every case, there'd be tens of millions of junkies here by now, and there aren't.

[Parris]

People die from weed all the time, it's called working your way to hard drugs.

Weed=> E => coke => Meth => Heroin => life ruined.

Weed these days is so engineered and potent, it's nothing like it was even five years ago.

No, we were trying to think of a case where murder could be attributed as the root (jeezo, me and my puns today) cause of the murder rather than a side issue, which is generally enough for most newspapers in the UK to blurt out headlines like "Weed Killer (oh lordy more puns) stoned deaths!" or similar nonsense.

I realise that drugs can and do kill the person who takes them, or peddles them, but has anyone seen a genuine case where weed was directly attributed as the cause of a murder?

<Not sure whether I am making myself clear here - Barc0deiodeiodeio was much more elequant when he described it>

On a lighter note (stop with the puns!) Air is probably the worst drug as withdrawl symptoms are pretty immediate and fatal in all instances. ;-)

[Barc0de]

ASSEMbler, in Holland people smoke weed relatively freely, and you don't see their population becoming hard-drug addicted - they re just normal people who know their limits. A dutch friend of mine, his father is an elementary-school teacher, and when he comes home every night, he smokes a spliff and goes to bed. He's a family man and has no intention of being a junkie. Saying that weed taints people is like claiming that anyone who tried alcohol became an alcoholic or other drug-abuser.

The reason that weed 'leads' to 'other drugs' is because it's illegal. Alcohol led to 'other drugs' during the prohibition as well.

Categorizing cannabis with cocaine as a class-A drug is an irresponsible thing to do , because it makes people take harder drugs like heroine and cocaine lightly, just as they would with weed, that is non-toxic.

On a funny note, caffeine, alcohol and tobacco are toxic to the body, yet they re entirely legal. Addiction to alcohol , tobacco and caffeine is never refferred to as 'drug abuse' though ;)

It's all politics and how they want to present something. Cannabis is not a gate-way drug, they made it a gate-way drug with their stance and dangerous laws.

[A. Snow]

Weed in itself might not be a gateway drug but I think there are two major contributing factors that lead it to becoming one.

The first is the fact that since it is illegal its distribution tends to run in the same circles as other far worse drugs. This puts people in contact with harder drugs.

The second is the governments own anti-drug campaign. They demonize marijuana with such outrageously untrue propaganda (I'm sure many here have laughed at the commercials) that once people realize that it is BS they figure the the government is doing the same with other drugs.

[Barc0de]

I find myself agreeing with A.Snow every single time on different matters:lol:

[GaijinPunch]

Yeah, he makes a good point. I don't know why I chose to go above and beyond weed. Probably boredom more than anything. It certainly wasn't like "okay, I tried weed... what's next?!". I never had a problem with anything. I knew my limits, and went over them regularly, but not to the point where I ever missed work or did something really stupid (blow rent, not have enough food to eat, etc.).

Those are days long gone though. It is definitely hard to do any of that with a career. And looking back on it all, out of all the friends I know that tried anything illegal, only one really fucked his life up (which you could see coming before he partied) and one guy checked himself into rehab, and got sorted out in a couple of months.