Xbox 360 Development Kit

[Pikkon]

I recently acquired a 360 dev kit,sadly it did not come with the original hdd and its missing the two wires that comes out off the top of the unit.
I have been told its a beta 2 dev kit.Well here are some pics.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/dev.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/dev4.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/dev5.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/dev7.jpg
I will update this thread later and post some pics of the motherboard.
Here is a pic of the motherboard.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/Devmobo.jpg
Update,my Kit is not a beta 2,its a final 360 dev kit.
Enjoy

[Barc0de]

nice one, thanks for sharing :)

[jwhazel]

Out of curiousity, how exactly are people getting ahold of these? I'm sure that you probably bought yours from a friend of a friend of someones cousins uncle who babysits a developers son. But I'm just curious how these make it out under the radar. Don't they cost an arm and a leg from MS to begin with? Doesn't MS keep track of them to keep them from getting in the wrong hands? Just things that I've always wondered.

[Barc0de]

I m speaking out of my ass, since I don't know any prices on the matter, but IF i had to guess, the units wouldn't cost as much as, say, a Ps2 TOOL. right?

[Pikkon]

Thread updated

[hl718]

Looks more like a debug kit than a dev kit. Dev kits typically have the sidecar board on the side, while the debugs take a "standard" X360 hard drive.

I'm also curious how you confirmed that it was a final kit, given that the vast majority of final kits didn't have holes in the side. :)

Oh, as an aside, photoshopping out the build number of the XDK SDK installed on the machine is kind of pointless.

-hl718

[Pikkon]

Well it has already been confimed to be a dev kit for the matter,and also mine is missing the two black wires coming out of the top of the unit for connecting a sidecar unit.And it was confimed to be a final kit by the motherboard version.

[oldengineer]

Looks more like a debug kit than a dev kit. Dev kits typically have the sidecar board on the side, while the debugs take a "standard" X360 hard drive.

I'm also curious how you confirmed that it was a final kit, given that the vast majority of final kits didn't have holes in the side. :)

Oh, as an aside, photoshopping out the build number of the XDK SDK installed on the machine is kind of pointless.

-hl718

...It's a Final QA Kit to be precise, hence the hole in the side/missing sidecar loom/final mobo rev...combo :)

[Brilliant2meNu]

Man, I got 4 360XDK's and can't seem to get my filth mitts on a TOOL!

[hl718]

Leave it to OE to know the exact parentage of any Xbox-related device out there. ;)

Given what he said, your box is pretty much equivalent to a debug kit (with the addition of the extra holes). Slap a hard drive on there and the system is more or less complete.

-hl718

[Barc0de]

Man, I got 4 360XDK's and can't seem to get my filth mitts on a TOOL!
Odd. there was one going around last month I think, for a naturaly steep pricetag.

What is the price for a 360 debug? how about an XDK?

PS: What is meant by debug ? A real-time PC channel offering debug info, or the ability to play non-finalized code?

e.g. the NR gamecube is a test unit. The NPDP-gamecube by itself is a test unit. NPDP-gamecube+ IS DOL-viewer (never seen one in the wild) is the equivelant to the GBOX (offering debug via RS232) , and the GDEV and DDH also support real-time debug.

[Pikkon]

Leave it to OE to know the exact parentage of any Xbox-related device out there. ;)

Given what he said, your box is pretty much equivalent to a debug kit (with the addition of the extra holes). Slap a hard drive on there and the system is more or less complete.

-hl718


Well my kit is incomplete as its missing the wires and the original hdd,and yes my kit is equivalent to a debug or demo kit,as the motherboards are basically the same,hardware wise.But it would be nice to add a new hdd to my kit,but without a recovery disc its not possible.

[babu]

Man, I got 4 360XDK's and can't seem to get my filth mitts on a TOOL!

they seem to come up now and then on the japanese yahoo auction site.

[hl718]

PS: What is meant by debug ? A real-time PC channel offering debug info, or the ability to play non-finalized code?

e.g. the NR gamecube is a test unit. The NPDP-gamecube by itself is a test unit. NPDP-gamecube+ IS DOL-viewer (never seen one in the wild) is the equivelant to the GBOX (offering debug via RS232) , and the GDEV and DDH also support real-time debug.

When Microsoft hardware is concerned, both debug kits and dev kits are typically very similar. This is true for both the Xbox and the Xbox 360. The short version is that a dev kit has a small bit of extra hardware which allows for more robust inspection of the code. If you're trying to track down an annoying crash bug you want a dev kit as it's possible for misbehaving software to completely shut down a debug kit whereas a hard crash on a dev kit will still allow you to poke around in memory.

The 360 also saw the addition of demo kits and reviewer kits which were essentially debug kits which shipped without the accompanying development software.

-hl718

[Barc0de]

so, if I were to snagg a reviewer or demo kit and get software from somewhere else, I'd have myself a debug unit? Or is the serial number of the console on a license-base, uniquely for every licensed copy of the software?

[Pikkon]

Also I took a pic of all my consoles I still game on.
Two PS2's,the top one is modded.
Two retail 360's
PS3 60gb version
Wii
Two modded xbox's
DS Lite
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/pikkonson/consoles.jpg
Game on.

[oldengineer]

Very nice collection m8 :)

...Btw what made u lose the 'nun' avator, I kinda miss her :P

[Pikkon]

Thanks oldengineer,and I was just trying out a new avator,I really didn't like it to much so I put back the nun avator for your viewing pleasure.
cheers

[Cheese007]

Rofl, I didn't know it was a nun.:lol:
Nice dev 360 and XBOX skin. Where do you guys get this stuff?

[Pikkon]

Where do you guys get this stuff?

I just walked in MS Headquarters and picked one up:lol:
But seriously,never reveal your source,I know alot of members would agree.

[hl718]

I just walked in MS Headquarters and picked one up:lol:
But seriously,never reveal your source,I know alot of members would agree.
Eh, there's nothing wrong with helping other collectors and giving them a heads-up.

A lot of dev hardware simply comes one-off, from developers that go under, people that quit their jobs and take shit home or things of that sort. Net forums like Assembler and Xbox-Scene (if you're looking for Xbox stuff) are good places to poke your head around.

Normally you won't see stuff posted directly for sale (at least not most of the time) but if you're an active member and noticed by other users you simply make it known what you are looking for. Usually the seller will find you. Once you have a relationship with a seller, you can typically buy more stuff in the future a whole lot easier. ;)

If you live near an area with dev houses, it's always a good idea to check the local classified ads, craigslist and hell, if you're hardcore, go dumpster diving. Sometimes prime stuff is simply thrown out.

eBay is another often overlooked resource. Lots of dev hardware cycles through eBay and if you keep an eye on it, you can sometimes turn up exactly what you want.

-hl718

[Cheese007]

For a premium usually, I bet. I should probably check and see if there are any devs aroung here.

[Pikkon]

Thanks for the insightful info hl718,much appreciated.

[Parris]

Being up in Scotland, UK (won't mention exactly where) we are not exactly surrounded by Dev houses. A few companies originated from here, developing some pretty well known titles (GTA for example), but NONE of this stuff EVER ends up in the rubbish on this side of the pond! I wish!

I have found consoles lying in the street ready for the bin, but never development equipment sadly.

hl718 is correct however in saying that once you begin to post to this (and other forums) and meet people that these things have a tendancy to just 'occur'. Naming NO names, but I bought a piece of incredibly rare (and ancient) development kit after posting a query about something related. Someone popped up out of the woodwork and made an offer.

What I will say however is that you'll be surprised at where this material turns up. I live 5mins from a pretty bog standard, small family run console repair business. In having my Debug repaired the owner discussed development kits with me. He owns several. Someone behind me in the queue had a PS2 Test, which is now for sale, plus he has other bits and pieces. Your bog standard retailers might only sell retail units, but the independents tend to know a bit more in my opinion.

I'm practically a noob to Dev Kit, but I do have 20 odd years of computer and console collecting under my belt. It is a completely different kettle of fish and I've been learning SO much more about a subject I thought I already knew!

Despite that I have met some great, well established collectors and you can trade / sell / swap and ask for tips. Frankly this is one of the better forums on this subject and a few of the collectors on here could only be described as hard-core experts in their chosen subject. There can't be that many other places where you can expect a reply so quickly with so much accurate information.

You might want to also poke your nose into your local independent retail and repair shops / stores. I live 5 mins from a very small family run business, but the owner is a huge dev kit fan. A few of his customers have traded with him and bits pieces turn up locally or even when you are standing in the queue waiting to be served (which is how I almost bought a new PS2 Test a week ago).

[hl718]

Well my kit is incomplete as its missing the wires and the original hdd,and yes my kit is equivalent to a debug or demo kit,as the motherboards are basically the same,hardware wise.But it would be nice to add a new hdd to my kit,but without a recovery disc its not possible.


You might. You might not.

What's your current XDK version?

-hl718

[Pikkon]

You might. You might not.

What's your current XDK version?

-hl718

Do you mean flash version,its 2.0.1888.0 Beta What is there a way to upgrade a hdd on a dev kit without using the 360 recovery disc.Also Im getting a hdd already formatted with the 360 recovery disc.

[andoba]

Thx for sharing =)

Now learn C++ and DirectX and show us some dev!!

[Barc0de]

you mean C.net? :p

[liquitt]

isn't it C# ? or was that for MS Home Development, that XNA thing or what it was called...

[macwest]

isn't it C# ? or was that for MS Home Development, that XNA thing or what it was called...

C# for home dev. 2003/2005 for pro dev

[hacker360]

can i buy it im 13 years old thanks. eric

[LEo]

can i buy it im 13 years old thanks. eric

Must resist :flamethrower:... >_<

Anyways, yes you can, but you need more posts before you can participate in the market place I think. Please don't spam the board in order to get them tho, actually try to contribute.

[Pikkon]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:5GLOk4cJDlKiqM:http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt140/stkjock/zombie_thread.jpg&t=1

Wow,would never of thought someone would revive this thread.