Half Life for the DC

[Jaysmith2000]

Since I've been told these don't exist, I thought folks might enjoy seeing them:;-)

The manual is the real deal....This is complete packaging including the front and rear (more pics later if folks are interested)...

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/hl1.JPG

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/hl2.JPG

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/hl3.JPG

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/hl4.JPG

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/hl5.JPG

[ASSEMbler]

never seen a real manual before.. where you find it?

[Jaysmith2000]

never seen a real manual before.. where you find it?

I'm buying out the remaining stuff from the guy that cleaned out Sierra when they closed down in the Northwest. :) He had this, among other things, as part of the lot I bought.

[KaL_YoshiKa]

Awesome find, I've got to ask whether any of the other stuff was included in the lot that's special, also I don't mean to be annoying but you might want to make an overly overly - if someone wanted to that one would be fairly easy to photoshop out. More so on the booklet.

[Fatalist]

Very nice find Jaysmith2000!

[Jaysmith2000]

Awesome find, I've got to ask whether any of the other stuff was included in the lot that's special, also I don't mean to be annoying but you might want to make an overly overly - if someone wanted to that one would be fairly easy to photoshop out. More so on the booklet.


Yeah, I did a quickie job on it at work. :) Other things coming, will post later.

[dvdmike]

thats nuts i thought only the strat guides existed !!! but in saying that it was that close to launch they must have had boxed copies

[Jaysmith2000]

Well, did a quick edit with a layer... ;) More pics to follow guys...

[Borman]

Thats pretty awesome. Ill admit at first i thought it would be another "OMG HL DC thread", but was proven wrong when i finally clicked it heh. great stuff Jay, I cant wait to see what else you have. Maybe some cool tribes stuff.... :D

[Jaysmith2000]

Thats pretty awesome. Ill admit at first i thought it would be another "OMG HL DC thread", but was proven wrong when i finally clicked it heh. great stuff Jay, I cant wait to see what else you have. Maybe some cool tribes stuff.... :D

If you're a TRIBES fan than stay tuned! :)

[ServiceGames]

Well I'm impressed. Never thought they had a production package.
It's times like this that make me happy to be a small part of assemblergames... (sounds stupid I know, but it's how I'm feeling)

[Jaysmith2000]

Here's something you might like Borman. :nod:

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/tribes1.jpg

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/tribes2.jpg

[KaL_YoshiKa]

Keep your voice down, or the Tribe Community will get wind and rise up.

Very nice I can think a lot of people would kill for that.

[Roi]

Glad it's in the hands of a collector :)

[Taemos]

I know it's a long shot, but I may as well ask - are there any King's Quest/Space Quest/Quest for Glory items in that bunch? If so, I know of a collector who might want them (me) http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif.

[Jaysmith2000]

I'll know more soon... :nod: ;-)

[dvdmike]

any more half life pics would be welcome too please :)

[PrOfUnD Darkness]

Jaysmith2000: Could you please take a pic of the front/back cover of HL? Don't forget to watermark them too :-)

[Borman]

Awesome for that Tribes stuff! It was the game that got me into team based FPSers really. If you have any more, I cant wait :D Id love to own some *cough cough*

[Jaysmith2000]

Jaysmith2000: Could you please take a pic of the front/back cover of HL? Don't forget to watermark them too :-)

You bet, planning on it. Will get it up this weekend and hopefully some other things....

[wombat]

O-M-G really nice find! I'm jalous :D

[Blur2040]

This just further proves to me that JaySmith2000 has some of the coolest stuff out there.

Pile this neato stuff...on top of his awesome Jaguar collection (which you should all check out, btw)...and it just amazing...

Just be prepared for people clamoring for you to release it all.

[PhantasyStar]

Wow, I'm impressed, JaySmith. I didn't know a cover truly existed for Half Life DC. I always saw those fake ones on eBay, but wow, that's neat to see the real deal! As for Tribes, that's awesome too. I use to play that when I was younger with a friend and did duel. Maybe some day you and I could play.

[Jaysmith2000]

Ok, as promised here are updated pics:


Here is the front cover

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/dc/hl1.JPG


Here is the back cover

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/dc/hl2.JPG

Here is the inside

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/dc/hl3.JPG

Here is the booklet from the side so you can see it has several pages.

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/dc/hl4.JPG


Here is a SURPRISE
http://www.jaysmith2000.com/dc/hl5.JPG

[Borman]

Man, I love the stuff from Sierra, probably my favorite company back in the day, between tribes, HL, and all the other great stuff that they seemed to have then.

[Cheese007]

If I can remeber correctly Sierra made the game Indy Car Racing for the PC about 7-10 years ago. Whatever happened to the sequal Indy Car Racing 2? Did it ever come out? I know they were making a sequal because I had a demo of it.
Oh and nice stuff Jay.:thumbsup:

[Johnny]

If I can remeber correctly Sierra made the game Indy Car Racing for the PC about 7-10 years ago. Whatever happened to the sequal Indy Car Racing 2? Did it ever come out? I know they were making a sequal because I had a demo of it.
Oh and nice stuff Jay.:thumbsup:

Indycar Racing 2 was released and was a great simulator! I remember playing it a lot, using car mods (IRL, IMSA, F1,...) and custom tracks converted from other games (Nascar Racing for example). Too bad Papyrus (the developer) is no more.

It was re-released later as CART Racing and patched to run under Win95.

[KaL_YoshiKa]

That poster thing must be worth heaps.

[Jaysmith2000]

That poster thing must be worth heaps.

You think? I am curious if anyone else out there has this poster or has seen it. ;-)

@Blur2040, thanks man! :icon_bigg

[PrOfUnD Darkness]

Nice! thank you for sharing :-) :clap:

[smork]

Wow, amazing stuff! It's a shame this was never released for the DC... The DC controller isn't the best for FPS, but I'd love to see it run on the hardware...

Really cool find, thanks, for sharing the pics!

[ServiceGames]

Wow, amazing stuff! It's a shame this was never released for the DC... The DC controller isn't the best for FPS, but I'd love to see it run on the hardware...

Really cool find, thanks, for sharing the pics!

Ahem!!! I think you may still be able to see it running on your own hardware...

[karsten]

i loved sierra's Lord of the realm :) anyway, GREAT find, really

[KaL_YoshiKa]

I was just reading that cart and noticed the "exclusive new mission" thing, nothing about that actually resulted did it?

[Borman]

Blue Shift or whatever its called was originally exclusive to the DC I believe, or rather, it would have been

[marshallh]

Blue Shift or whatever its called was originally exclusive to the DC I believe, or rather, it would have been

You're right. Then the DC version was canned and moved to PC... :crying:
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3879/img077617zy.jpg

[framerate]

You're right. Then the DC version was canned and moved to PC... :crying:
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3879/img077617zy.jpg


Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I only just discovered this wonderful forum... I take it that is a screenshot of HL running ON the DC meaning the game was finished before it was canned?

*runs off to find the search button before flaming commences*

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

I can only speak about the version I've seen, but I think it was basically complete. There were speed issues with it, but I think the entire game was there and it was quite playable. I could be mistaken though.

[Perkunas]

I can only speak about the version I've seen, but I think it was basically complete. There were speed issues with it, but I think the entire game was there and it was quite playable. I could be mistaken though.

complete, very playable, bar loading issues. =)

[Mark30001]

Who would've known official Dreamcast Half-Life manuals were actually printed!

Thanks for sharing! :)

[APE]

Supposedly there are multiple revisions out there on GD-R. Theres the one we all know floating on the web.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Kron have a copy of HLDC? It might be the one floating around but I'm not sure anymore. I take claims that any new copies aren't the ones floating around as heresay unless they're willing to provide any proof, a comparison video would be enough for me showing some sort of improvement. I'd wager it's mere claims to bolster their own ego/value of their gd-r if they ever sold it. Feel free to correct me if there is any proof to the contrary.

What seems somewhat strange to me is that they would have a manual and case art professionally done but not press any gd-roms. I suppose they could have made these in house or in a small batch for showing off and gd-roms needed to be pressed at a factory. Speculation on my part at best.

[Kron]

I've got one of the unreleased *Final* versions they sent for authorisation that hasn't been leaked.

I found the back cover picture very interesting as it shows the Win CE mark. The game started out in development on the Win CE SDK but was moved over to the standard sdk for quality purposes (frame rate) at a later point so the cover is probably quite an early one comparitively.

Good find! I've seen the poster before though.

[furmentinhate]

you'd probably have to take a bullet to get that copy from you though, right?

[henzenmann]

Hehe, 180 blocks on the VMU. That has got to be a record :icon_bigg

[Yakumo]

your next save will probably be less. the code for saving isn't optimized which is why the save sate sizes can dramatically change.

Yakumo

[Jaysmith2000]

you'd probably have to take a bullet to get that copy from you though, right?

Right after a stack of Benjamins.... ;-)

[Szczepaniak]

Glad it's in the hands of a collector :)
Now this could just be because I've only recently woken up (partially hung-over), but are you being sarcastic? Because I don't quite understand the sentence.

Why would you be especially happy it's in a collector's hands? As opposed to what else, the developer's hands?

Otherwise, nice find Jay. :nod:

[APE]

It's either a quip at the fact collectors are hoarders and refuse to let the public play a game they should be able to (my personal ideology that is shared by many). Such greatness should not be limited to one. The value has never dropped on any game when leaked to my knowledge, except for Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas white label, but that game was just trash.

On the other hand, he could be happy that it is actually out and about and known to exist and potentially could be ripped for the public. At least with a gd-r in the Krons hands we know SEGA, Sierra, etc didn't end up destroying the best known build.

Would I rip it and put it out if I had the disk? Probably, if I could get it to work. Do I have the cash to buy it? Hell no and probably won't for a while. PA is still worth a tidy sum to me. Rather play the original than some lousy copy.

[Jaysmith2000]

It's either a quip at the fact collectors are hoarders and refuse to let the public play a game they should be able to (my personal ideology that is shared by many). Such greatness should not be limited to one. The value has never dropped on any game when leaked to my knowledge, except for Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas white label, but that game was just trash.

On the other hand, he could be happy that it is actually out and about and known to exist and potentially could be ripped for the public. At least with a gd-r in the Krons hands we know SEGA, Sierra, etc didn't end up destroying the best known build.

Would I rip it and put it out if I had the disk? Probably, if I could get it to work. Do I have the cash to buy it? Hell no and probably won't for a while. PA is still worth a tidy sum to me. Rather play the original than some lousy copy.

Some confusion over what I have apparently. I haven't shown a GDR in any of my posts or a final pressed copy of HL, I merely have the packaging. Not sure how I can rip this and post it for everyone to download. :shrug: I think Roi was simply saying he's glad the packaging didn't get destroyed and is safe in someone's hands that won't throw it out with the garbage...

[APE]

Yeh, I know that. Looks like I made a misstake when reading the quote, I thought it was a quip at the Kron having the gd-r. My misstake. I would however worship you for life if you'd scan the pages and add heavy watermarking/nuts with the adobe pdf DRM or whatever.

[Jaysmith2000]

Yeh, I know that. Looks like I made a misstake when reading the quote, I thought it was a quip at the Kron having the gd-r. My misstake. I would however worship you for life if you'd scan the pages and add heavy watermarking/nuts with the adobe pdf DRM or whatever.

No worries man! :thumbsup: I want to avoid any problems with copyright issues, and as I understand it Half Life is one of the more aggressive when it comes to that kind of stuff. It's one of the reasons I'm so into the Jaguar since Hasbro released all rights to it before they sold it to Infogrames. Allows me to SHARE! ;-)

I forgot to mention, I'm auctioning off one of the 3 HL posters I have....

[APE]

Hmm. From what I was told the rights to the DC stuff was in limbo. Sierra no longer exists, at least to an extent. Vivendi no longer has the disto rights to anything Valve makes (last I heard). Anyone with expertise know the specifics?

Let's see...

Gearbox was doing the porting under contract with Valve and was to be published by Sierra. GearBox has already been paid, don't think they have anything to lose. My bet is that Valve still has the rights to the DC version but don't exercise them. Speculation on my part completely.

[subbie]

Here's something you might like Borman. :nod:

http://www.jaysmith2000.com/tribes2.jpg

Can I have a copy of that cd? I'll make you a PSP port if you do!! :love:

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

...the game started out in development on the Win CE SDK but was moved over to the standard sdk for quality purposes (frame rate)...

Is the framerate a consistent 24-30fps on the version you have, or is there still some slowdown?

[hl718]

It's either a quip at the fact collectors are hoarders and refuse to let the public play a game they should be able to (my personal ideology that is shared by many). Such greatness should not be limited to one. The value has never dropped on any game when leaked to my knowledge, except for Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas white label, but that game was just trash.


Not true. The value of pretty much any game drops like a rock once it's released. PA is a perfect example. As soon as this board leaked it onto the net, all versions of PA became persona non-grata among the high-end collectors. Anyone who leaks a game, kills the value of it.

-hl718

[Jaysmith2000]

Can I have a copy of that cd? I'll make you a PSP port if you do!! :love:

I can't with this. I'm in negotiations with someone right now on it. It'll be up to them what to do with it. ;-)

[APE]

Not true. The value of pretty much any game drops like a rock once it's released. PA is a perfect example. As soon as this board leaked it onto the net, all versions of PA became persona non-grata among the high-end collectors. Anyone who leaks a game, kills the value of it.

-hl718

I've never really bought that argument. Would a collector want the gd-r which is legit or a copyright infringing cd-r copy that could have been downsampled? I can see the value dropping some because every person who ever dreamed of having Half-life for the DC now can play it and doesn't have to pay $2-5k to do it. Very few of them were actually willing and even fewer capable of paying that price.

If the Kron offered his disk for sale right now at $5k, I'll guarentee you he will find a buyer.

[hl718]

I've never really bought that argument. Would a collector want the gd-r which is legit or a copyright infringing cd-r copy that could have been downsampled? I can see the value dropping some because every person who ever dreamed of having Half-life for the DC now can play it and doesn't have to pay $2-5k to do it. Very few of them were actually willing and even fewer capable of paying that price.

If the Kron offered his disk for sale right now at $5k, I'll guarentee you he will find a buyer.
I can speak from personal experience on this one. Before PA was leaked, I had a regular stream of pretty lucrative offers. After it was leaked, all the offers dried up. Selling a GD-R of an unreleased, but leaked, game for $5k is a pipe dream. :(

-hl718

[Taemos]

I can speak from personal experience on this one. Before PA was leaked, I had a regular stream of pretty lucrative offers. After it was leaked, all the offers dried up. Selling a GD-R of an unreleased, but leaked, game for $5k is a pipe dream. :(

-hl718
I've somewhat changed my opinion on this matter, too. What I've seen make unreleased games so intriguing is the mystery to them - once they're released, they're pretty much dissected. I've seen value of the games drop considerably with a release. It's ultimately up to the collector, though, since they're the ones who paid good money for the game.

However, I have no respect for people that constantly tell others about their collection of unreleased goods just to get some sort of thrill out of it. Either release it or don't, but don't be a dick about it (not speaking to anyone in particular here).

[Atariboy]

I downloaded this game, burn it on CDR and played both Half-Life and Blue Shift and I beated it some time ago but its still one of my fave Dreamcast game out there^_^

[Alchy]

I've somewhat changed my opinion on this matter, too. What I've seen make unreleased games so intriguing is the mystery to them - once they're released, they're pretty much dissected. I've seen value of the games drop considerably with a release. It's ultimately up to the collector, though, since they're the ones who paid good money for the game.I'd be interested to see an unreleased game be bought up, ripped, put out on ebay with a notice that the game had been ripped and would be online soon, just to see how much it could get back. Even if it lost several hundred dollars in value, if it was a community effort (ie everyone gets back the proportional amount of money they put into it when the auction's over) it'd probably not be too poor a deal for all concerned and would eliminate the tricky community dump question "who gets to keep the original?" which is pretty tough if everyone's chipped in.

[Druid II]

I can speak from personal experience on this one. Before PA was leaked, I had a regular stream of pretty lucrative offers. After it was leaked, all the offers dried up. Selling a GD-R of an unreleased, but leaked, game for $5k is a pipe dream. :(

-hl718
Trying to sell ANY prototype (minus something insanely ridiculously overrated like a Final Fantasy 7 early beta version) for 5000$ is a pipe dream, I'd say.

[Taemos]

I'd be interested to see an unreleased game be bought up, ripped, put out on ebay with a notice that the game had been ripped and would be online soon, just to see how much it could get back. Even if it lost several hundred dollars in value, if it was a community effort (ie everyone gets back the proportional amount of money they put into it when the auction's over) it'd probably not be too poor a deal for all concerned and would eliminate the tricky community dump question "who gets to keep the original?" which is pretty tough if everyone's chipped in.

I think there is something to the community-based payment method, where everyone chips in just a little. You don't have any one person taking an excessively large hit to the wallet, and everyone gets to play the game. Win/Win, in my opinion.

[Paulo]

I can speak from personal experience on this one. Before PA was leaked, I had a regular stream of pretty lucrative offers. After it was leaked, all the offers dried up. Selling a GD-R of an unreleased, but leaked, game for $5k is a pipe dream. :(

-hl718

At the end of the day some collectors wont sell the games because they dont want it to be released to the public and then complain they some how lost money when the price has dropped due to a release.

[Alchy]

I think there is something to the community-based payment method, where everyone chips in just a little. You don't have any one person taking an excessively large hit to the wallet, and everyone gets to play the game. Win/Win, in my opinion.Agreed, but the question is always "who gets to keep it?", which is tricky to answer. Redistributing the wealth from the auction seems to me a better idea, I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened yet. Take the amount made in the resale, divide it by the original cost, multiply each donation by it and give that amount back to each individual. True win/win, you just need someone to front the cash in the first place.

[Jaysmith2000]

I've somewhat changed my opinion on this matter, too. What I've seen make unreleased games so intriguing is the mystery to them - once they're released, they're pretty much dissected. I've seen value of the games drop considerably with a release. It's ultimately up to the collector, though, since they're the ones who paid good money for the game.

However, I have no respect for people that constantly tell others about their collection of unreleased goods just to get some sort of thrill out of it. Either release it or don't, but don't be a dick about it (not speaking to anyone in particular here).

I couldn't agree more. I've avoided any discussions on unreleased games I have(besides stuff for the Atari systems), for just that reason. About 3 years ago I bought Robinson's Requiem for the Jaguar for $1200. I spent a couple years trying to secure the rights from a bankrupt french company to release it. When all failed, I went to a known Jaguar distributor and sold it to them for exactly what I paid in the hopes they would get it released. It's fun to play an unreleased game before anyone else, but I don't get any thrill holding on to them. I'd rather get them to someone that can do something with them and get them out to the public LEGALLY....

[OtakupunkX]

So I'm not entirely sure if this has been brought to anyone here's attention or anything (I didn't really have time to go through this whole thread), but EmuParadise.org apparently has a rom for Half-Life DC for download.

[Taemos]

ISO, you mean. Half-Life (DC) has been available for some time now.

[la-li-lu-le-lo]

...I'd rather get them to someone that can do something with them and get them out to the public LEGALLY....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't owning most unreleased game technically illegal? I know that a lot of games have some sort of sticker that says "NOT FOR RESALE". I thought that typically videogame companies try to either retain to themselves or destroy unreleased games and the only time that they're sold is if someone steals one. If that's the case, then how is it any worse for people on the internet to play it illegally?

Regarding the debate about the price going down of a released game and "who gets to keep it", wasn't it John Lennon who said, "art belongs to the people"?

Sorry I'm replying to these posts months after they were written, but I just read some of them.

[Borman]

Legally means written permission. Jay has had that for most (I think all) of the games he has personally released.

[OtakupunkX]

ISO, you mean. Half-Life (DC) has been available for some time now.

ISO, rom, in the end they're all the same, but that's a discussion for another time. Didn't know it had been available for awhile though.

[Atariboy]

Dont know if anyone seen these old TV ads on Half-Life for the DC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_4TLdkREHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEc01QtL2XE

[kanaka]

sorry for bringing this thread back, but the photos are no longer available, maybe you can post it again Jaysmith2000, i really wanted to see this great find of yours, Half-Life is one of my favorite games, and to see a real pic of it would be great!
Seeya!

[Blai]

Yeah id' like to have them too.
If anyone can upload them he'd make us very happy.

[davenixdorf]

Dont know if anyone seen these old TV ads on Half-Life for the DC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_4TLdkREHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEc01QtL2XE

Wow ... I certainly don't remember the framerate being that good on the PS2 version!

[Jaysmith2000]

Hey all,

Better late than never, I know several of you had asked that I fix these dead links. It's done. :thumbsup: Head to the first page to check it out... Enjoy the pics...

[beretta85]

Has anyone seen the mods people have done with the DC Half Life?

Some people have completely reworked this unreleased title into amazing things. One of the most notable that I can think of is Counter Strike for the Dreamcast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhmjdwmgwWM

I think there have been other custom releases of this game with new missions, but I can't recall them.

[CrAzY]

I know the They Hunger series was supposebly ported to it, as well as the mod Paranoia. (i think) Too lazy to provide links, so google it.

BTW, noticed on the case it says that Blueshift was solely created for the Dreamcast version? Since when? Was always sure it began as a PC title.

[Alchy]

Created side by side for the DC and PC, along with the higher poly count models, obviously later the DC version was cancelled and the PC version was released. Kind of weird that (as far as I remember) the PS2 version doesn't have Blue Shift.

[CrAzY]

No it indeed does not, instead they made it so you could play as the Vortigaunt through the whole SP again. Kinda weird, but fun for awhile. :flamethrower:
As for the DC version of HL... I do wanna play it someday, but its not a need. I dont see how it could be more fun than the PC version. ;-)

[Metro Spy]

The PS2 had a small campaign attached too called Decay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life:_Decay

It was a co-operative campaign with each player taking the role of a Black Mesa scientist. It introduced a character who was in Blue Shift too. Recently it has been ported to pc as well.

Blue Shift was developed for DC first and then to PC. Notice that in the DC version if you smash open crates you'll see VMU's and other DC bits. In the PC they are changed but there is a short command to change it IRC.

[Alchy]

The main problem I remember with the DC port was the loading times. Not as bad as the DC port of Soldier of Fortune, but still pretty frustrating. I think the framerate dipped every now and again, too.

[beretta85]

The main problem I remember with the DC port was the loading times. Not as bad as the DC port of Soldier of Fortune, but still pretty frustrating. I think the framerate dipped every now and again, too.

hahahah Solider of Fortune was the first DC game that I bought. You seriously have to sit there for 5-10 minutes per level, while the dreamcast sounds like it cutting down a tree with a chainsaw.

[microsnakey]

I mustt be going crazy, but I swear I saw this in a charity shop on holiday. If anyone lives near Hunstanton you might want to check the Sense charity shop

[VitAmen]

correct me if i am wrong, but i remember there was another version of halflife dc floating around that had much shorter loading times.

[Anthony817]

correct me if i am wrong, but i remember there was another version of halflife dc floating around that had much shorter loading times.

That would be either the version that Override optomized, or the Tuxthewise DCres version. Both play much better than the original leaked version, and are optomized to load faster, and have less framrate problems.

You can get both at these sites below, and also, there are many pc mods that have been ported over, the best of which I think are Paranoia and They hunger, both of which are modded to be full stand alone games on DC.

http://www.dcfan.net.ru/forum/f83/

http://dreamcast-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=981

Override was going to work on a 1.5 version of Half Life, but he never go to a final release done. His last project was porting the PC HL mod Paranoia, which is like the PC game Stalker in many ways.

[VitAmen]

cool, i'll check em out...

[Anthony817]

Also, all known Half Life DC mods can be found here, most were uploaded by me, and I just uploaded a new one a friend showed me less than an hour ago.

http://www.dcisozone.com/browse/dreamcast-isos/H/page_1.html

Enjoy! :cur_sonic:

[VitAmen]

i got hl gold and paranoia runnin on my devkit from the hdd, but unfortunately the loading times are still bad. which are the ones modified by override and tux that play smoother?

[jammanutz]

wow the HL stuff is awesome, shame it didnt happen, i wonder how far on with porting or dev they got to

[Anthony817]

i got hl gold and paranoia runnin on my devkit from the hdd, but unfortunately the loading times are still bad. which are the ones modified by override and tux that play smoother?

Override ported Paranoia, so he used his custom disc structer techniques like better folder placement and dummy files.

I think they load faster than the first version that I ever had, and you can bet your ass that it is far faster than Solder of Fortune ever was.

If you want to see the downloads that we have at Dreamcast-Talk, you must sign up to view the downloads index, they keep it like that to keep out freeloaders.

Paranoia even has saves working, albeit only when prompted in the game.


wow the HL stuff is awesome, shame it didnt happen, i wonder how far on with porting or dev they got to

It was supposedly ready to be pressed, and they even had the stratigy guides sitting on store shelves. I think the version that was leaked was not fully optomized as it could have been, there is still stuttering and framrate issues in game, but it is fully playable, although Override and Dreammatrix and Tuxthewise have optomized the game to the best of their abilities, so without them, this game would not be as great as it is with framerates and loading time as it is today.

[Jaysmith2000]

Well, I have finally decided to Ebay my case. :) A difficult decision, but I could use the extra $$$. We'll see if it will sell for my minimum I'll take. ;)

[americandad]

There are more of these out there for the EU version too.
The problem is greedy reality dissociative "collectors". Who probably perform perverse sexual interaction with their "collectibles".

http://assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=511379&postcount=19
http://assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=511814&postcount=23

[AtarianUK]

There are more of these out there for the EU version too.
http://assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=511379&postcount=19
http://assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=511814&postcount=23

Really? Jaysmith has the only known original and no-one else has mentioned it being available, if even briefly, in Sweden.

Memory is a very fickle thing.

[Borman]

Until someone else proves that there are other cases, Jay's is the only one that exists in my eyes. Anyone can believe they saw something, but until its there for everyone, its worthless.

[APE]

Need pictures for proof.

And Jaysmith has actual proof.

[wheelaa]

Didn't former member Alien Workshop claim to have a full sealed retail copy? (Iirc I read a post over on Digit Press) Maybe it was a different unreleased DC game...

Edit
Ok, so I got that a little wrong. ProgrammingAce....

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1446234&postcount=33



I have a sealed production copy of Half-Life for the dreamcast, nobody is going to claim it was "released".


Unless that's a dry comment only, given the discussion in the thread......

Edit 2
Actually are they one and the same? Or was it those two that got pissy with each other and left at the same time? Not that that matters with regards to Half Life DC!

[arnoldlayne]

Need pictures for proof.

And Jaysmith has actual proof.

Jaysmith's copy came from a Sierra offices clearout sale - Now you don't print 'one' copy and leave it at that, chances are there were other mock up copies made for promotion but they were either a) destroyed or b) haven't been found yet.

[APE]

Jaysmith's copy came from a Sierra offices clearout sale - Now you don't print 'one' copy and leave it at that, chances are there were other mock up copies made for promotion but they were either a) destroyed or b) haven't been found yet.

And I'm sure the Rosetta Stone the British currently posses wasn't the only copy of that specific text carved into stone but good luck furnishing a second one.

And there is a chance it was a one off printing. Unlikely but to deny the possibility is idiocy.

[arnoldlayne]

And I'm sure the Rosetta Stone the British currently posses wasn't the only copy of that specific text carved into stone but good luck furnishing a second one.

And there is a chance it was a one off printing. Unlikely but to deny the possibility is idiocy.


Actually, I do have a dusty old stone tablet here that looks a lot like it... I'm open to best offers.

If it's printed, I'd say there's a good chance it wasn't a one off printing - like I said, the costs are too high. Unless of course Sierra had their own printing press? You wouldn't print 'one' sample cover... you'd probably do a run of 50/100.

All I'm saying is that (in the gaming world) a lot of these holy grails seem to lack any kind of proof to validate their crazy prices.

Megadrive/Genesis Sega Tetris is a good example - Does anyone have a photo of a copy of this particular title that was taken before the Sega Ages compilation was released (which included a rather handy cover scan/manual)

For a game worth tons of cash, surely there's at least a photo of this item that predates it? Just a photo... that's all I ask.

I don't think it's fair to stick hefty price tags on things that can't be proven - There's a lot of money at stake and there are definitely people out there who would take advantage of the situation given the right tools...

All I'm saying is people should investigate first - before assuming.

[wheelaa]

Enough with this Tetris crap. A cursory look on my pc and I've found piccies I stole from tinterweb in Nov 2005, 10 months before PS2 collection. Cursory look. And I'm sure those piccies were not put online that day either! I've known about it for 20 damn years plus lol. If only I could post a srcreencap as then you'd see both piccies and the property box with date thing, but it no worky for me ;(. Ah well.

I do agree with your general points though. It's mostly the difference between the number of manufactured copies, and the number of known copies. Could well be more 'insert shittingly rare vg item' out there. Not every collector does forums. Not many of those that do, divulge all they have.

[arnoldlayne]

I guess I'd just like to see some more investigating going on to authenticate these things...

Going back to Tetris - Is it really that difficult to trace the lineage of these cartridges? Let's take Mundocumbos (or however the hell ya spell it!?) copy - Where did he get it? Did he ask the guy who sold it to him to tell him where he/she got it? (etc...) These important details seem to be totally absent from any of his posts (I also apply this to other 'rare vg', not just Sega Tetris.)

We're talking about a handful of copies - yet nobody can authenticate them? (I mean tell us exactly how they came to end up on the market and not destroyed by Sega) For the prices they've exchanged hands, this doesn't make a whole heap of sense.

Does anyone know what Japanese collectors have to say about it?

Btw/ I'd love to see those pics - I also think it's important to share them here because (a) a lot of ppl visit this forum and, more importantly (b) it would help to provide some 'proof' that it was seen before the Sega Ages comp.
.

[wheelaa]

You're clearly missing the point on this. There is no debate about MD Tetris. Only in your head it seems. The proof has been on the web for years before the PS2 collection. If you've not seen it, tough. The doubt is yours alone. It's reasonable not to want to take others word for it though, but there's a limit.

Can you tell from the below that I got that from the web on

27 ‎November ‎2005, ‏‎17:56:41 ?



http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1446/gazoutet1.gif

(PM me an emaill addy and I'll send you a word doc with the piccies and their properties boxes screencapped as tbh this is getting on my wick!)

Edit

I have spoken with a couple of JP collectors, ones who helped me out with info on Go Net, SanSan, other games, before they were as widely known. The question of legit or not wasn't even discussed for Tetris MD. I'm told by a Euro collector I helped get a MD Tetris proto for that one of them sold a copy a while back. Sadly long after he and I were in contact.

Edit 2

And let's not forget the stores in Aki of course. Loads of people saw it before 9/06, I'm sure a quick google will find some historic testimony / piccies.

[arnoldlayne]

You're clearly missing the point on this. There is no debate about MD Tetris. Only in your head it seems. The proof has been on the web for years before the PS2 collection. If you've not seen it, tough. The doubt is yours alone. It's reasonable not to want to take others word for it though, but there's a limit.

Can you tell from the below that I got that from the web on

27 ‎November ‎2005, ‏‎17:56:41 ?



http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1446/gazoutet1.gif

(PM me an emaill addy and I'll send you a word doc with the piccies and their properties boxes screencapped as tbh this is getting on my wick!)

Edit

I have spoken with a couple of JP collectors, ones who helped me out with info on Go Net, SanSan, other games, before they were as widely known. The question of legit or not wasn't even discussed for Tetris MD. I'm told by a Euro collector I helped get a MD Tetris proto for that one of them sold a copy a while back. Sadly long after he and I were in contact.

Edit 2

And let's not forget the stores in Aki of course. Loads of people saw it before 9/06, I'm sure a quick google will find some historic testimony / piccies.

Cheers - that just about wraps that one up (for me)

No, I wasn't aware of ANY of the above until you just posted it now... and I'm sorry if any of this upset you.

The only thing I don't get now is why Mundocumbo shoved a 1 million dollar price tag on it? It can't be that rare if, as you say, it was in shops in Japan and numerous collectors have copies of it... including a proto.

...as always, thank you.

[geluda]

Pretty sure I've seen PAL Half Life in a second hand shop at some point or other in the past. I didn't even know it was a cancelled game... :/

[hrahn]

i know that our shop here didn't get the game itself delivered, the news of the cancellation hit one day before the release date, the day it was supposed to ship.
But, they already hat a stockpile of hint books for it in the back of the store - sadly all of them went back to their headquarters. (was a store from the "gameplay" chain, you might remember their logo with the ladder going through a circle).

[wheelaa]

Cheers - that just about wraps that one up (for me)

No, I wasn't aware of ANY of the above until you just posted it now... and I'm sorry if any of this upset you.

The only thing I don't get now is why Mundocumbo shoved a 1 million dollar price tag on it? It can't be that rare if, as you say, it was in shops in Japan and numerous collectors have copies of it... including a proto.

...as always, thank you.

No worries! I didn't mean to get arsey heh, but all the crap around Tetris MD these days really winds me up, seeing as I am an MD fan and hope to own it one day! Not your fault though!

Why a $1m price tag? Well that's just him trying to show off on the internet. The game is hardly worth that lol. In fact, until he paid E11000 for it, it had never sold (to my knowledge) for even half that. Certainly when he came on here saying he had bought Tetris MD, he wasn't 'Oh cool, I've bought Tetris MD', rather he was 'What's the most expensive video game ever...I may have just bought it!'. The guy is an idiot imo, and his regular ebay account went to shit with lots of bad feedback on some pricey games he sold, so I avoid him.

(Sadly for him, E11000 at the time was not the most expensive game ever sold, and it certainly isn't now!)

As to rarity, well sure, it's rare. But not as rare as Mundo makes out. He claims only 3 copies! Well I know of at least 6 copies now (people like anonymity / tell me / show me things in confidence etc) and three protos of it (my proto copy will finally arrive with me this Thursday!). Certainly there are rarer MD carts to be bought, alebit none would cost as much imo. Also, most of the JP collectors who are actual Japanese JP MD fans / collectors, that I have spoken with, pretty much all reckon there are 20+ copies out there at least. Even a casual follower of AKI stores would have seen more than 3 different copies in the last few years alone I think.

[americandad]

Memory is a very fickle thing.
I don't know about that, i'm not a neuroscientist. But i do know that i saw it and held it with my very own hands, and unlike the pictures in this thread the one i saw was no mockup. A mockup is a mockup is a mockup, retail is a whole different story. ;-)

Anyway there's no possibility of me going back in time and taking pictures for you guys so you can believe whatever.

I was just hoping that some bloodsucking collector would show me some tit after realizing he/she isn't the only one who's aware of the PAL retail pressings.

[attben]

What happened to this case? Did you manage to sell it?

[NintendoWiiU]

They really should make a Half Life for Wii U, and any VALVe game on 3DS!

[SnoopKatt]

Crazy. I saw one once on eBay for $7 shipped, and it looked like a picture of the original game and everything. What I got in the mail was the game on a CD-R :p congrats on the find!

Once it's loaded, it seems to work okay, but loading times were killer.

[Metro Spy]

I finally found my copy of CVG (UK gaming magazine) which reviewed Half Life on the DC in their November 2000 issue (no 228)! Scanned it in at work to share to all you lot!

High res scans are available by clicking on the thumbnails (ImageShack):-

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7343/page1o.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/page1o.png/)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8586/page2n.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/page2n.png/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3185/page3r.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/page3r.png/)

Enjoy!

[hrahn]

Very nice, thanks a lot! Wonder what happened to the ten copies promised in the article...

[Aydan]

If what someone here said is true, the game being cancelled/recalled a day or so before release, where are those 1000's of printed sealed copies??

Surely some must have escaped destruction!!?!

[Borman]

There is no proof of any GDs being pressed at all.

[Aydan]

Ah I see. Then again I'm not surprised since I read up about there being some kinda issue with Save file sizes not being finished/optimised as well as load times.

Still, one of the most biggest letdowns on the Dreamcast next to Shenmue 3 that's for sure.

[Anthony817]

Wow thanks for sharing! You finally found it and kept your promise to upload it after almost 2 years! You have no idea how much this means to me mate, you are awesome! Gonna put together this with the other scans I have for sure!

[Metro Spy]

Wow thanks for sharing! You finally found it and kept your promise to upload it after almost 2 years! You have no idea how much this means to me mate, you are awesome! Gonna put together this with the other scans I have for sure!

Well I'm kinda sorry it took so long! However on the other hand I'm pleased I managed to find it as I'd almost convinced myself that I'd gotten rid of it!

[mattdc]

Packaging only or did you score the game as well?